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[nkirbit]

EFHW:  If you want to lynch Sudgy, please, please lynch Eevee instead.

But, regardless of whether I'm correct, I think Eevee is a strictly better lynch than Sudgy.  Either

• Eevee is lying, and we catch scum, or
• Eevee is telling the truth that he's lovers with Sudgy, we mislynch Eevee but get Sudgy anyway, and are in the same exact spot as a Sudgy lynch.

Lynching Eevee is better than lynching Sudgy if Eevee is lying, and the same as lynching Sudgy if Eevee is telling us the truth.  Even if you think Eevee is telling the truth, you should be okay with lynching Eevee, because it's strictly better than lynching Sudgy!

Lynching Eevee is NOT the same as lynching sudgy.  As I said in an earlier post, there is a lot of uncertainty about whether killing Eevee would kill sudgy.  1.  Eevee could be lying.  2.  Eevee could be the one who isn't really sudgy's lover.  3.  There could be some twist we don't understand.  Or, if you think it would work and you want to kill Eevee, why don't you switch to sudgy?

#1: if Eevee is lying, we don't want to kill Sudgy, we want to lynch Eevee.  That's the point.
#2: we have no evidence of another Julia/Sylvia existing.  If that's you, I think you should say it to possibly get me off of this lynch, but otherwise, I'm not even considering Sudgy as an option.
#3: Possibly, I can't deny that.  In my view, it's likelier that Eevee is lying than some twist, but if you really believe Sudgy here, I guess you're right in this.

[nkirbit]

The only other lynch I would consider is Raerae.  Raerae claims to have gotten a message from Sudgy that talks about how to communicate by her first post, which is inconsistent with something both Eevee and Sudgy have claimed about.  So, from my perspective, the only way that Raerae is town is if both Sudgy and Eevee are scum.

Is that a possible team?  Would Eevee be bussing this hard if Sudgy were her teammate?

[nkirbit]

His teammate.  I keep wanting to think Eevee is a she haha, even though I know that's not the case!

[EFHW]

Sudgy is a stronger scumread than Eevee for me.  That is why I'm going to stay with voting him.  You're going with your stronger scumread.  So let's see what the others think.

PPE: raerae is really a null read for me.  I wouldn't vote for her at this point.

[nkirbit]

And, since apparently we can do this, this is the message sudgy sent me.  If you're town, is this what you waste your PM on?

"I'm whispering to you, as you're my top townread. I'll say I whispered to you, then you say so. Also, if you are Julia or Silvia, please start you're first post with a letter in the first half of the alphabet."

Eevee - So you were allowed to send a reply PM to sudgy?

raerae - were you?

Yes, and I quoted it word for word.

One of you is lying!  Eevee says that Sudgy's PR allowed him to make a reply.  Raerae says that Sudgy left instructions for how to communicate based on her first post of the day.  Why would raerae need to communicate this way if she could just reply directly to Sudgy?!?!

You never noticed this before, or didn't respond.  Do you think it's a legit argument?

[EFHW]

Sudgy is a stronger scumread than Eevee for me.  That is why I'm going to stay with voting him.  You're going with your stronger scumread.  So let's see what the others think.

PPE: raerae is really a null read for me.  I wouldn't vote for her at this point.

Actually, she's closer to town.  The funniness about the replying to posts and did she leave the "C" on purpose are bothering me, but it's not like I have no impressions of her.

[nkirbit]

What is scummy about Sudgy?  Apart from raerae's case that he's a claimed lover who's been left alive twice, which I don't buy for a second, I'm not actually sure why we're suspicious of him.

[EFHW]

And, since apparently we can do this, this is the message sudgy sent me.  If you're town, is this what you waste your PM on?
"I'm whispering to you, as you're my top townread. I'll say I whispered to you, then you say so. Also, if you are Julia or Silvia, please start you're first post with a letter in the first half of the alphabet."

Eevee - So you were allowed to send a reply PM to sudgy?
raerae - were you?

Yes, and I quoted it word for word.

One of you is lying!  Eevee says that Sudgy's PR allowed him to make a reply.  Raerae says that Sudgy left instructions for how to communicate based on her first post of the day.  Why would raerae need to communicate this way if she could just reply directly to Sudgy?!?!

You never noticed this before, or didn't respond.  Do you think it's a legit argument?

sudgy says he didn't notice they could respond.  Seems kind of far-fetched, but who knows.  Sudgy didn't ask for a response by pm from Eevee, which I'm sure he would have wanted.  What I'd like to know is 1. if raerae was told she could respond and 2. if she did so and 3. if so why hasn't she mentioned that.  I presume Eevee was told he could send a response - is that true Eevee?

[nkirbit]

I guess Eevee's claim, if you believe it, makes him pretty scummy, haha.  I don't, so that's why I don't find him scummy, but if you do I suppose that's a pretty good reason.

[nkirbit]

Oh wow, reading back, you're right.  Sudgy missed that.. I thought he had said that he had missed typing it initially, but you're right, he missed it himself.  That's odd.

[EFHW]

Eevee's claim makes Eevee scummy or makes sudgy scummy?

[nkirbit]

Eevee's claim, if true, makes Sudgy scummy.

[nkirbit]

I guess Eevee's claim, if you believe it, makes him pretty scummy, haha.  I don't, so that's why I don't find him scummy, but if you do I suppose that's a pretty good reason.

I guess Eevee's claim, if you believe it, makes Sudgy pretty scummy, haha.  I don't [believe Eevee's claim], so that's why I don't find Sudgy scummy, but if you do [believe Eevee's claim] I suppose that's a pretty good reason [to find Sudgy scummy].

That was a very poorly written sentence.

[nkirbit]

Raerae and Sudgy:  Did raerae reply to Sudgy's message?

[sudgy]

She did not.

[EFHW]

Check out these posts for the D1 case on sudgy.

[nkirbit]

Why did you leave no way for Eevee to respond to the message you sent him via a code like you did with raerae, given that you hadn't realized replies were possible?

Furthermore, is that the message you sent raerae?

[EFHW]

He was also on the TA wagon when no one was quick-hammering and no one from that wagon quick-hammered him.  This makes me think he and his partner were on the TA wagon before the hammer.  That was him, Eevee and mail-mi.  I think he would need to be one of the scum because no one from his wagon hammered him.  If he was town and Eevee and mail-mi were the scum, one of them would have hammered him.

[nkirbit]

You're right, EFHW.  He does look scummy.  Ugh, this is hard.

While you're here, what are your reads on myself and mail-mi?  I have very towny reads on you and mail-mi, that should be obvious by now.

[nkirbit]

He was also on the TA wagon when no one was quick-hammering and no one from that wagon quick-hammered him.  This makes me think he and his partner were on the TA wagon before the hammer.  That was him, Eevee and mail-mi.  I think he would need to be one of the scum because no one from his wagon hammered him.  If he was town and Eevee and mail-mi were the scum, one of them would have hammered him.

We can't be 100% sure of this, since we weren't in MYLO, but there's a decent chance this is true, I suppose.

[nkirbit]

He was also on the TA wagon when no one was quick-hammering and no one from that wagon quick-hammered him.  This makes me think he and his partner were on the TA wagon before the hammer.  That was him, Eevee and mail-mi.  I think he would need to be one of the scum because no one from his wagon hammered him.  If he was town and Eevee and mail-mi were the scum, one of them would have hammered him.

And by this logic, the only possible scum-team, from your perspective, should Sudgy be town, would be myself and raerae (assuming scumteam of 2).

[EFHW]

You're right, EFHW.  He does look scummy.  Ugh, this is hard.

While you're here, what are your reads on myself and mail-mi?  I have very towny reads on you and mail-mi, that should be obvious by now.

I think you are town.  I have serious doubts about mail-mi.

[sudgy]

Why did you leave no way for Eevee to respond to the message you sent him via a code like you did with raerae, given that you hadn't realized replies were possible?

I felt it would be okay for him to reply at daytime, that's different than raerae's reply (which was something only town members should know).

Furthermore, is that the message you sent raerae?

Yep.

[nkirbit]

But when you sent the message to Eevee, you were not aware that replying directly to you was an option?

[sudgy]

But when you sent the message to Eevee, you were not aware that replying directly to you was an option?

I was not aware.  After I got the reply, I re-read the whispering part of my PM and saw that it said my lovers can whisper back if they want.