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[ashersky]

So may the outward shows be least themselves:
The world is still deceived with ornament.
In law, what plea so tainted and corrupt,
But, being seasoned with a gracious voice,
Obscures the show of evil?


Vote Count Act I.XIV:

liopoil (1): nkirbit
nkirbit (2): Twistedarcher, sudgy
Twistedarcher (2): EFHW, xeiron
Eevee (1): raerae

Not Voting (3): mail-mi, Eevee, liopoil

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[raerae]

I'm not voting for kermit or TA because that game of catch they just played with giant cases was awful and felt and sounded like town on town to me.

I'm invoking LALL.

Vote: Eevee

You said you thought it was town on town because no one reacted. What do you think of the people who jumped on one of the cases (Sudgy on Nkirbit) (Lio for a bit, EFHW, Xeiron on myself)

People didn't jump until there was no other choice.  You guys took up like two+ pages trying to convince EACH OTHER that you were right about your case.  So, basically, you spent a million years yelling "You're scum, believe me!"  "No, you're scum, believe me!"  Did you look at the "support" for either of your cases?  It was reluctant at best.  Nobody adamantly supported or refuted either of your cases.  More than once people said, "If I had to choose..."  That isn't support in my eyes.

[Twistedarcher]

Raerae,
That's just not true! I've provided the first post by Sudgy, Liopoil, EFHW, and Xeiron relating to the cases. Three of them had votes immediately! Where are you getting the impression that people reluctantly joined in? People were in support of one case or another. There IS useful information to analyze here, and I don't know why you are turning a blind eye to it, when you were definitely aware of it (you asked Sudgy why he thought Nkirbit was a good lynch, for example). 



Sudgy's first post after the cases:

Vote: nkirbit

I agree with TA's case, and I feel like he has been over-defending.

EFHW's first post relating to the cases:

I find TA's and sudgy's cases weak, and both of them scummy for presenting them and voting based on them.

This was later followed up by a vote on TA a page or so later.

Lio's first post relating to the cases:

Vote: TwistedArcher


I read both of their cases, and while nkirbit's case has a bit of an OMGUS tone, I think that TA's case is really weak. Defending yourself isn't scummy. Ever.

Xeiron's first post after reading the cases (cutting a LOT out for space purposes):

It seems to me like the quote above discredit your case rather that your person.
Are you sure you wrote that wrong?

vote: twistedarcher

[Twistedarcher]

I also have no regrets for spending that many posts on the back-and-forth with Nkirbit. It's actually something we can talk about in a serious way, and analyze it. I don't know why you're trying discredit our cases, followed by the votes, but there's important stuff in there, that will become more important once we have flips later on.

I don't want to lynch a lurker today -- we have enough information to get a better chance than that, I believe.

[liopoil]

people did indeed jump on the cases quickly. I agree now that neither case has much to it. What do people think of sudgy?

[Twistedarcher]

people did indeed jump on the cases quickly. I agree now that neither case has much to it. What do people think of sudgy?

I'm biased because he agreed with me, but towny. He was the only person who provided his own reads to justify hopping on a bandwagon, which to me reads less scummy than simply agreeing with someone else's reads (especially as I feel that efhw and xeiron didn't read my case closely). Although I disagree with his reasons for finding nkirbit scummy.

[sudgy]

Vote: Eevee until he gets in here.  When he does, I'll move back to nkirbit (or someone else if I need to).  Soft deadline is tomorrow, right?

[sudgy]

Oh, he posted in V/LA...  Vote: mail-mi then.

[sudgy]

Guys, we really need to figure out who to lynch.  TA and nkirbit have been accused recently, or we could go with an older option (or a new one, but it might be too late for that).

[raerae]

Oh, he posted in V/LA...  Vote: mail-mi then.

Mail-mi is also v/la...why does one get a pass when the other doesn't?

Vote: sudgy

[sudgy]

He's v/la?  Sorry, I didn't know that.  I'll go back to Vote: nkirbit then.

[ashersky]

Vote Count Act I.XV:

liopoil (1): nkirbit
nkirbit (2): Twistedarcher, sudgy
Twistedarcher (2): EFHW, xeiron
sudgy (1): raerae

Not Voting (3): mail-mi, Eevee, liopoil

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Over 7 days have passed.

Act I ends on June 11 at 8:30 p.m.

[Twistedarcher]

Oh, he posted in V/LA...  Vote: mail-mi then.

Mail-mi is also v/la...why does one get a pass when the other doesn't?

Vote: sudgy

This is really vote worthy? Just seems like a simple mix-up to me.

Please answer #402. Why did you get the impression that no one supported either bandwagon? Now that you know it's not true, what do you think of the people who hopped on one of the cases?

[raerae]

I didn't consider sudgy's vote because it was typical sheepy sudgy, really had no bearing, and wasn't going to get a following.  Lio and Xeiron's votes came after 12+ posts from the two of you.  And they weren't short posts.  Your EFHW quote proves my point. 

[raerae]

This is really vote worthy? Just seems like a simple mix-up to me.

Please answer #402. Why did you get the impression that no one supported either bandwagon? Now that you know it's not true, what do you think of the people who hopped on one of the cases?
[/quote]

Yes.  Yes, it is.  Sudgy has been throwing votes around then pushing for a lynch.  Our soft-deadline is tomorrow and I will push like hell that we stick to it.  This isn't helpful.  You can't throw votes on 19 people without a reason and then claim we really need to pick a lynch.  Just doesn't make sense.

Answer for 402 is above.

[sudgy]

This is really vote worthy? Just seems like a simple mix-up to me.

Please answer #402. Why did you get the impression that no one supported either bandwagon? Now that you know it's not true, what do you think of the people who hopped on one of the cases?

Yes.  Yes, it is.  Sudgy has been throwing votes around then pushing for a lynch.  Our soft-deadline is tomorrow and I will push like hell that we stick to it.  This isn't helpful.  You can't throw votes on 19 people without a reason and then claim we really need to pick a lynch.  Just doesn't make sense.

Answer for 402 is above.
[/quote]

I said I would go back to nkirbit, but the people not here really need to be here.  Xeiron posted (but then stopped, kind of interesting...), and mail-mi and Eevee have V/LAs.

Actually, thinking of Xeiron, I might need to re-read him, I don't remember much about him (and his recent posts almost seem to just be to not be "lurking" anymore)...

[sudgy]

Argh, double quote fail.

[Twistedarcher]

I didn't consider sudgy's vote because it was typical sheepy sudgy, really had no bearing, and wasn't going to get a following.  Lio and Xeiron's votes came after 12+ posts from the two of you.  And they weren't short posts.  Your EFHW quote proves my point.

My impression from the votes wasn't thy they were either or because we were arguing so much, but that efhw and xeiron and lio felt they had good reasons for voting.

Lio,xeiron, efhw, were your votes made because of pressure by myself and nkirbit or because you thought we were most likely to turn up scum?

[Twistedarcher]

So are we considering both eevee and mail I off limits for a lynch tomorrow?

[sudgy]

Eevee said he should be around...  Tomorrow night...  It is annoying that they're both gone during the soft deadline.  We need to try to build consensus before then I think, so we don't drag it on an extra 285 days.

[Twistedarcher]

If eevee is going to be around I'd rather
Push the soft deadline back 24 hours. Ill also be on an airplane
Tomorrow evening as well.

[sudgy]

That kills two of our bankable days...

[Twistedarcher]

I didn't consider sudgy's vote because it was typical sheepy sudgy, really had no bearing, and wasn't going to get a following.  Lio and Xeiron's votes came after 12+ posts from the two of you.  And they weren't short posts.  Your EFHW quote proves my point.

But efhw got an immediate read, even though it wasn't a vote, it's still something to analyze from the arguments.

Sudgy did sheep but with his own reasons which I think is worth noting.

I don't get what you are saying overall -- that none of the votes really matter and they're useless to analyze? I don't know why they should get a free pass from analysis -- a vote is a vote, and it's telling that most of them ended up on me, rather than on nkirbit.  (Should be for you too, if you think the arguments are equally bad)

[Twistedarcher]

That kills two of our bankable days...

It sucks... But is that better than only having 7 around at deadline? If both are town that basically guarantees a mislynch, as we'd need all 5 town members to agree on the same case (assuming 2 scum -- 3 scum and were in even worse shape)

[Twistedarcher]

Worse, not better