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[Twistedarcher]

Hypothetical role "You are sudgy's lover, and you love him so much that you use your medical expertise to protect him on all even nights.".

I'd still bet on Sudgy being scum.

[Twistedarcher]

The anti-town notion is saying "Eevee, I think you are probably town" and then not trusting me that lynching sudgy / making me claim to avoid that is a bad idea for town. Starting to feel like scum wanting to weed out a claim from me to make more informed night decisions.

No, I want to get the correct lynch today, at any cost. If we mislynch, there's no guarantee that we even have a D3. I think ending the game on a mislynch, and having information that hasn't been revealed, is awful.

[Eevee]

Hypothetical role "You are sudgy's lover, and you love him so much that you use your medical expertise to protect him on all even nights.".

I'd still bet on Sudgy being scum.

WHY? HOW? "Sup I'm a doctor that can only protect a scum player."

What makes you so sure sudgy is scum? His role makes way more sense for town. Someone you believe to be town is telling you he is probably town. Is it just being a claimed lover and alive? Because you know protective roles / scum being afraid of them?

[EFHW]

The anti-town notion is saying "Eevee, I think you are probably town" and then not trusting me that lynching sudgy / making me claim to avoid that is a bad idea for town. Starting to feel like scum wanting to weed out a claim from me to make more informed night decisions.

No, I want to get the correct lynch today, at any cost. If we mislynch, there's no guarantee that we even have a D3. I think ending the game on a mislynch, and having information that hasn't been revealed, is awful.

If nkirbit isn't dead then we are not in mylo.

[Eevee]

The anti-town notion is saying "Eevee, I think you are probably town" and then not trusting me that lynching sudgy / making me claim to avoid that is a bad idea for town. Starting to feel like scum wanting to weed out a claim from me to make more informed night decisions.

No, I want to get the correct lynch today, at any cost. If we mislynch, there's no guarantee that we even have a D3. I think ending the game on a mislynch, and having information that hasn't been revealed, is awful.

I think revealing the information to avoid that mislynch when it can be avoided without revealing it is awful as well.

Say I'm the role I just made up. You want scum to have that information?

[Twistedarcher]

The anti-town notion is saying "Eevee, I think you are probably town" and then not trusting me that lynching sudgy / making me claim to avoid that is a bad idea for town. Starting to feel like scum wanting to weed out a claim from me to make more informed night decisions.

No, I want to get the correct lynch today, at any cost. If we mislynch, there's no guarantee that we even have a D3. I think ending the game on a mislynch, and having information that hasn't been revealed, is awful.

If nkirbit isn't dead then we are not in mylo.

I think nkirbit is dead after today/tonight.

I think he got poisoned. Poison doctor could have brought him back to life, but poison doctor is gone now.

[EFHW]

Hypothetical role "You are sudgy's lover, and you love him so much that you use your medical expertise to protect him on all even nights.".

I'd still bet on Sudgy being scum.

WHY? HOW? "Sup I'm a doctor that can only protect a scum player."

What makes you so sure sudgy is scum? His role makes way more sense for town. Someone you believe to be town is telling you he is probably town. Is it just being a claimed lover and alive? Because you know protective roles / scum being afraid of them?

The Proteus role does not make sense as town.

[Eevee]

Is TA making sense to other people?

[Eevee]

I'm sudgy's lover. It's way better for scum to kill one of us than it is the other. If I claim, they'll be able to make a very informed decision tonight. I hate that you are dragging this out of me, but for the love of god lets lynch someone else.

[Twistedarcher]

Hypothetical role "You are sudgy's lover, and you love him so much that you use your medical expertise to protect him on all even nights.".

I'd still bet on Sudgy being scum.

WHY? HOW? "Sup I'm a doctor that can only protect a scum player."

What makes you so sure sudgy is scum? His role makes way more sense for town. Someone you believe to be town is telling you he is probably town. Is it just being a claimed lover and alive? Because you know protective roles / scum being afraid of them?

Flavor claim is scummy. I don't think lover-cop makes much sense when there's no scum in the other lover-pairs. Sudgy being alive IS fishy, and I don't think he was the NK target last night. The fact that the other lover hasn't claimed is fishy (I think I have PoE'd who it is, though).

[mail-mi]

Vote: TA Scum is really trying to push this lover lunch.

[Eevee]

Vote: TA

[Twistedarcher]

I'm sudgy's lover. It's way better for scum to kill one of us than it is the other. If I claim, they'll be able to make a very informed decision tonight. I hate that you are dragging this out of me, but for the love of god lets lynch someone else.

1) Why did you have a scum read on Sudgy D1? Was that fake?

2) Do you have mod-confirmation that Sudgy is town?

[mail-mi]

I'm sudgy's lover. It's way better for scum to kill one of us than it is the other. If I claim, they'll be able to make a very informed decision tonight. I hate that you are dragging this out of me, but for the love of god lets lynch someone else.

1) Why did you have a scum read on Sudgy D1? Was that fake?

2) Do you have mod-confirmation that Sudgy is town?

I think he's still talking about the hypothetical situation.

[Eevee]

I had a scum read on sudgy until his claim. Then I learnt he is my lover and the scum read went away. So no, it wasn't fake at all.

I do not have. It's similar to the doctor-example I gave earlier, I think I can glean it from how our roles are set up.

[Twistedarcher]

I had a scum read on sudgy until his claim. Then I learnt he is my lover and the scum read went away. So no, it wasn't fake at all.

I do not have. It's similar to the doctor-example I gave earlier, I think I can glean it from how our roles are set up.

This isn't the impression I got from your post-claim posts. The following posts all take place immediately after your claim.

Okay.  So we can just have sudgy whisper someone trustworthy tonight. I would pick eevee.

Are we sure that role is town?

It could be a creative scum role, why not?

The people how know their Shakespeare: does it make any sense thematically to be lovers and not know the person you are in love with? Isn't that like very weird?

I think I'm fine with letting sudgy live and having him whisper me.

I'm confident sudgy's claim is true. So if we lynch him two people die. Should we have silvia/julia claim? I don't think so. Should we have silvia/julia just say who they are?

I'm thinking absolutely not. Let's just not lynch sudgy and deal with that tomorrow.

You unvoted, but immediately said it could be a creative scum role. Now you're saying it couldn't be a creative scum role, and are incredulous at the idea of a scum whisperer.

You also were fine with the idea of Sudgy whispering you. If you're his lover, you already have confirmation of his existence, and it would be more logical to have him whisper anyone else.

Also, I don't believe that you were unaware of his existence. It makes sense that he wouldn't be aware of you, but that you would be aware of him.

Still on board with a Sudgy lynch. Would love to hear from EFHW and Raerae regarding this.

[mail-mi]

I had a scum read on sudgy until his claim. Then I learnt he is my lover and the scum read went away. So no, it wasn't fake at all.

I do not have. It's similar to the doctor-example I gave earlier, I think I can glean it from how our roles are set up.

Oh so you are his lover. Hm. Hm indeed. Well, only want to lynch one person today, not two which could lose us the game, this explains Eevee's switch on lovers, and TA seems similar to himself in liopoils blitz game.

[Eevee]

Well, I wanted to avoid it becoming totally obvious..

[Twistedarcher]

I had a scum read on sudgy until his claim. Then I learnt he is my lover and the scum read went away. So no, it wasn't fake at all.

I do not have. It's similar to the doctor-example I gave earlier, I think I can glean it from how our roles are set up.

Oh so you are his lover. Hm. Hm indeed. Well, only want to lynch one person today, not two which could lose us the game, this explains Eevee's switch on lovers, and TA seems similar to himself in liopoils blitz game.

How on earth am I similar to myself in that game? If you're going to make broad sweeping statements like that, please at least back it up with some proof.

I am scared I am throwing this game away for town...but I am pretty sure I am correct on Sudgy being scum.

[Eevee]

Ta, we usually see eye to eye so well. Why is it not happening here?

[mail-mi]

I had a scum read on sudgy until his claim. Then I learnt he is my lover and the scum read went away. So no, it wasn't fake at all.

I do not have. It's similar to the doctor-example I gave earlier, I think I can glean it from how our roles are set up.

Oh so you are his lover. Hm. Hm indeed. Well, only want to lynch one person today, not two which could lose us the game, this explains Eevee's switch on lovers, and TA seems similar to himself in liopoils blitz game.

How on earth am I similar to myself in that game? If you're going to make broad sweeping statements like that, please at least back it up with some proof.

I am scared I am throwing this game away for town...but I am pretty sure I am correct on Sudgy being scum.

That's really just a minor point. The fact that you are trying to get lovers lynched, one of which I'm 95% sure is town, and the other I'm right in the middle on, and that if we lunch then we could very likely lose the game is the big part.

[Twistedarcher]

Yeah, it's odd, last game we played we were on the same page for most of it.

I'm not sure, I guess it's a combination of different information, and a different approach to today? We were even on the same page for most of D1, I think. I guess it's just a matter of taking two completely different sides to such an important question.

Is there a scenario, given what you know, where it does make complete sense that Sudgy could be scum? Like, if Sudgy's scum, does everything blow up, or is it simply a matter of "given what I know, I highly assume that Sudgy is town, but it's still slightly possible he COULD be scum, even if I don't think it".

I think most of our difference is coming from different assumptions that we're making

[Eevee]

oh, the latter, for sure. imagine a doc that can only save a certain player, you kind of
assume the other guy is town if you are, you know? I think that's a good analogy for this situation.

[Twistedarcher]

oh, the latter, for sure. imagine a doc that can only save a certain player, you kind of
assume the other guy is town if you are, you know? I think that's a good analogy for this situation.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I still think you're wrong, though.

Here's a fun exercise:

If Sudgy is scum, who would his partner be?

My guess is almost certainly not Eevee. I don't see any way Eevee is scum and doing this. Actually, I don't Eevee being scum in general. If he's scum, and Sudgy is scum, it's way, way, way too risky to pull this off. And there's no case where I can see him being scum and Sudgy is town, barring a counterclaim. So I think Eevee is conf town to me.

I'm not sure if Raerae or EFHW would bus their scum buddy. I don't think they would have jumped on him like that.

That leaves mail-mi or nkirbit. If it's nkirbit, we'll find out anyway. If it's mail-mi, then I think I know what his role is.

My best bet right now is Sudgy/mail-mi (and if it's not mail-mi, nkirbit).

Now, if Sudgy ISN'T scum, that means 2/3 of (EFHW, Raerae, Mail-mi) are scum. And I think possibly nkirbit as well, although that's probably less likely.

I will think about this and come back to it.

[Twistedarcher]

Btw, Eevee, I know you're going to bring up the point that if I think you're town, I should believe you on Sudgy! and I do think I know exactly what you're saying, but I just disagree with the likelihood that Sudgy is scum.

Do you think you're getting through to me, or do you still think there's part of your argument that I don't understand?