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[ashersky]

Vote Count Act II.I:

Not Voting (6): Eevee, EFHW, Twistedarcher, sudgy, mail-mi, raerae

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Act II ends on June 20th at 7:00 p.m.

You have 9 days and 20 hours in the bank.

[Twistedarcher]

No flip? Weird.

[Twistedarcher]

Ugh. So I'm frustrated at Lio and Xeiron. I'd lynch them again 1000 times. We caught them in a bunch of lies and misdirection, and yet they turned out to be town. I was so sure that we had caught scum in a lie...

[Twistedarcher]

Going to assume Nkirbit's town, but it's really weird that his flip didn't reveal. I guess I was wrong about my D1 case :/

[EFHW]

No flip? Weird.

Frustrating.  I wonder if he's like Romeo - seems dead but isn't.  When Juliet dies, he'll come back awake, then suicide.  The quotation suggests "cupid" killed him. 

[Twistedarcher]

FoS at EFHW. She completely caught them in a lie, and if I were in her shoes, I would have immediately hammered. Yet it seems that she was waiting for confirmation from a town member for the hammer, and made sure to say how hesitant she was. I'm suspicious that she knew she was hammering town, and therefore made sure to let everyone know how hesitant she was.

[EFHW]

Ugh. So I'm frustrated at Lio and Xeiron. I'd lynch them again 1000 times. We caught them in a bunch of lies and misdirection, and yet they turned out to be town. I was so sure that we had caught scum in a lie...

That last lie we caught them in seemed like a clincher.  Town really shouldn't lie.

[EFHW]

FoS at EFHW. She completely caught them in a lie, and if I were in her shoes, I would have immediately hammered. Yet it seems that she was waiting for confirmation from a town member for the hammer, and made sure to say how hesitant she was. I'm suspicious that she knew she was hammering town, and therefore made sure to let everyone know how hesitant she was.

How fast is immediate?  14 minutes doesn't seem long to me.  And I was wrong.  Should have hesitated longer, it turns out.

[Twistedarcher]

No flip? Weird.

Frustrating.  I wonder if he's like Romeo - seems dead but isn't.  When Juliet dies, he'll come back awake, then suicide.  The quotation suggests "cupid" killed him.

Maybe he's poisoned? Since we had a poison doctor, seems reasonable that we'd have a poisoner. From mafiascum:

A Poisoner can target a player to kill them. However, this kill will take place at the end of the next Night. Thus, the poisoned player can get one more Day and Night of actions out. The advantage to this is that a kill via poison cannot be stopped, except by the fairly rare Poison Doctor.

So, not EXACTLY the same implementation. But maybe he's poisoned, and if Lio/X (whichever one was the poison doctor, seriously, I can't remember ><) had cured him, he would have come back to life.

Or maybe he's just dead and there's some weird don't reveal the flip power.

I think we should assume he's town and we're at MYLO, though.

[EFHW]

mylo on D2?  That's rough.

[Twistedarcher]

mylo on D2?  That's rough.

Well, losing 2 townies at once is rough

Assuming 2 scum...

4 town/2 scum

Mislynch 3 town/2 scum
NK 2 town/2 scum

[Twistedarcher]

And that's not factoring lover-shenanigans, either...

[EFHW]

A Poisoner can target a player to kill them. However, this kill will take place at the end of the next Night. Thus, the poisoned player can get one more Day and Night of actions out. The advantage to this is that a kill via poison cannot be stopped, except by the fairly rare Poison Doctor.

So, not EXACTLY the same implementation. But maybe he's poisoned, and if Lio/X (whichever one was the poison doctor, seriously, I can't remember ><) had cured him, he would have come back to life.

Or maybe he's just dead and there's some weird don't reveal the flip power.

If he's not really dead yet, that could explain the lack of flip.  Maybe the poison doctor could have tried to save him tonight.  But it does say 6 are alive, so IDK.

[raerae]

Can we talk about the obvious?  Claimed lover is still alive...

[Twistedarcher]

Can we imagine any scenario where nkirbit is scum?

That means that scum kill missed, AND we have a Vig or something, AND there's a weird role that hides flips.

It seems unlikely, but I think a flip-hidding role IS more likely scum than town...

[EFHW]

Another question is - was he the scum nightkill or some other kind of kill. 

PPE: I see you are thinking along the same lines.

[Twistedarcher]

Can we talk about the obvious?  Claimed lover is still alive...

Maybe scum presumed a doctor and wanted to be safe?

But, odd that they chose someone who was a claimed non-lover...

Wouldn't scum try to shoot for Sudgy's lover (presuming Sudgy is town) in the TA/Raerae/Eevee/EFHW/mail-mi group? Assuming 2 scum, that's 1/3 chance, and it's not like the downside is that greater than killing Nkirbit.

[EFHW]

Can we talk about the obvious?  Claimed lover is still alive...

True, Sudgy lives.  We were expecting him to be the target.

[Twistedarcher]

How do we feel about claiming? I mean, it's nice to keep it secret, but we can't take for granted that we'll have another day..

[EFHW]

Can we talk about the obvious?  Claimed lover is still alive...

Maybe scum presumed a doctor and wanted to be safe?

But, odd that they chose someone who was a claimed non-lover...

Wouldn't scum try to shoot for Sudgy's lover (presuming Sudgy is town) in the TA/Raerae/Eevee/EFHW/mail-mi group? Assuming 2 scum, that's 1/3 chance, and it's not like the downside is that greater than killing Nkirbit.

The flip would have helped a lot.  Maybe he was lightening rod or bodyguard or something like that.

[raerae]

Kermit wasn't obvtown either.  Especially with the slapfest you two had yesterday.  Doesn't make sense. 

[EFHW]

I think only people with helpful information should claim.  Even then, if they have shots left it might be better to hold off at least until later in the day when we see how things are shaping up.

[Twistedarcher]

Can we talk about the obvious?  Claimed lover is still alive...

True, Sudgy lives.  We were expecting him to be the target.

I don't want to give him a pass at all. I think we should definitely re-look at Sudgy. But we shouldn't jump to "Sudgy is instantly scum!" Avoiding the obvious kill definitely has its merits for scum, especially in a game where everyone's a PR...very easy for the kill to be blocked or caught in some way on an obvious target.

[raerae]

NO CLAIMING!!!!!!  Damn, it's role madness, we all have cool crap we can do and we can debate the hell out of what power is better for scum vs. town but that doesn't help.  Let's just try to find the scum, shall we?

[Twistedarcher]

Kermit wasn't obvtown either.  Especially with the slapfest you two had yesterday.  Doesn't make sense.

Right. I don't think anyone was even close to obvtown, though. I would have been looking hard at Nkirbit again today. Blah no flip is confusing.