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[Twistedarcher]

Ugh. I wish I could assume Nkirbit was town, but...

I just think it's WAY more likely that scum would have an alignment hiding role than a townie. That's awful for a town member to have that role, but great for a scum to be able to remain hidden. And I can't imagine a scum killer having that role regardless N1 -- for such a short game -- that's way way way powerful, to the point where I can't imagine it being in a game...Meh.

[EFHW]

No flip? Weird.

Frustrating.  I wonder if he's like Romeo - seems dead but isn't.  When Juliet dies, he'll come back awake, then suicide.  The quotation suggests "cupid" killed him.

Oops, got that backwards.  nkirbit would be Juliet, who took a potion that made her seem dead.  Then Romeo finds her, takes poison and dies.  Then she wakes up, sees him actually dead, the poison all gone, and stabs herself with his dagger.

[EFHW]

Ugh. I wish I could assume Nkirbit was town, but...

I just think it's WAY more likely that scum would have an alignment hiding role than a townie. That's awful for a town member to have that role, but great for a scum to be able to remain hidden. And I can't imagine a scum killer having that role regardless N1 -- for such a short game -- that's way way way powerful, to the point where I can't imagine it being in a game...Meh.

I think there is no flip because he isn't dead. 

[Twistedarcher]

No flip? Weird.

Frustrating.  I wonder if he's like Romeo - seems dead but isn't.  When Juliet dies, he'll come back awake, then suicide.  The quotation suggests "cupid" killed him.

Oops, got that backwards.  nkirbit would be Juliet, who took a potion that made her seem dead.  Then Romeo finds her, takes poison and dies.  Then she wakes up, sees him actually dead, the poison all gone, and stabs herself with his dagger.

Maybe, but nkirbit claimed not-lover

[EFHW]

Well, it was a secret relationship

I'll be interested to hear what the others have to say.  'night for now.

[Twistedarcher]

Ugh. I wish I could assume Nkirbit was town, but...

I just think it's WAY more likely that scum would have an alignment hiding role than a townie. That's awful for a town member to have that role, but great for a scum to be able to remain hidden. And I can't imagine a scum killer having that role regardless N1 -- for such a short game -- that's way way way powerful, to the point where I can't imagine it being in a game...Meh.

I think there is no flip because he isn't dead.

Yeah, I think this is the case more likely. So we're looking for a poisoner. There are both good and evil shakespeare characters who could fit that role, ugh.

[Eevee]

Well, nkirbit was definitely a big townread for me, but it's very weird scum chose to kill the only guy who explicitly claimed not to be a lover. Like, even if you don't for one reason or another want to kill sudgy, why pick nkirbit? I find it doubtful that both scum just forgot..

So I have no idea.

I think nkirbit was probably town. Scum being able to janitor their kills is more likely to me than scum missing and some other role killing one of them that just happens to have a modifier that hides their flip.

We need to lynch scum today no matter what. I think that includes claiming stuff if need be. I'd really want to not take a shot in the dark.

[raerae]

Well, nkirbit was definitely a big townread for me, but it's very weird scum chose to kill the only guy who explicitly claimed not to be a lover. Like, even if you don't for one reason or another want to kill sudgy, why pick nkirbit? I find it doubtful that both scum just forgot..

So I have no idea.

I think nkirbit was probably town. Scum being able to janitor their kills is more likely to me than scum missing and some other role killing one of them that just happens to have a modifier that hides their flip.

We need to lynch scum today no matter what. I think that includes claiming stuff if need be. I'd really want to not take a shot in the dark.

What exactly do you propose claiming?

[Eevee]

Information any of us might have that would help us to lynch scum. Not saying I have or don't have any.

[Eevee]

Keeping in kind that mylo is an exceptionally opportune time to fakeclaim for scum. Yes, I just said it.

[Twistedarcher]

If anyone has any useful information, I think they should bring it forward. We shouldn't massclaim without a reason, though.

[Twistedarcher]

As for Sudgy's claim...it is possible that he claimed lover with no partner? I mean, I'd want to verify his claim, as the character he claimed is prettyyy scummy...but I don't want to out the second lover, either, if she really exists.

[Twistedarcher]

We either have a missing kill (normal), or poisoning is the only method of killing for scum. That would actually balance out the abundance of lover pairs. This would also make nkirbit town for sure.

[sudgy]

Alright raerae, say that I whispered to you.

[Twistedarcher]

Oh! I completely forgot that Sudgy got to whisper someone!!!

Awesome!

I'm assuming that since Raerae didn't say anything yet that means she didn't get a whisper (or is trying to frame Sudgy).

Excellent!!

[sudgy]

Oh! I completely forgot that Sudgy got to whisper someone!!!

Awesome!

I'm assuming that since Raerae didn't say anything yet that means she didn't get a whisper (or is trying to frame Sudgy).

Excellent!!

I whispered her to tell everybody that I could whisper (after I told people I whispered her, that's why she hasn't said anything yet).

[Twistedarcher]

If Raerae claims to not have gotten the whisper, we should have Sudgy's lover claim to confirm, right? And then we've got either Raerae is scum vs. Sudgy AND his lover being scum.

Unless we've got a scum roleblocker who roleblocked Sudgy.

[Twistedarcher]

Oh! I completely forgot that Sudgy got to whisper someone!!!

Awesome!

I'm assuming that since Raerae didn't say anything yet that means she didn't get a whisper (or is trying to frame Sudgy).

Excellent!!

Ok, cool. Hopefully she'll claim to have gotten it.

I whispered her to tell everybody that I could whisper (after I told people I whispered her, that's why she hasn't said anything yet).

[Twistedarcher]

Oops, fixed

Oh! I completely forgot that Sudgy got to whisper someone!!!

Awesome!

I'm assuming that since Raerae didn't say anything yet that means she didn't get a whisper (or is trying to frame Sudgy).

Excellent!!

I whispered her to tell everybody that I could whisper (after I told people I whispered her, that's why she hasn't said anything yet).

Ok. Cool, hopefully she'll claim to have gotten it.

[raerae]

Yeah, I got it.  I don't understand why you were explicit about you claiming before I do though.  Can you explain that?

[sudgy]

Yeah, I got it.  I don't understand why you were explicit about you claiming before I do though.  Can you explain that?

Some people were afraid that I could agree with some random person.  But, now that I think about it, some random person wouldn't claim to get a whisper...  Oh well, it doesn't matter much.

[raerae]

Yeah, I got it.  I don't understand why you were explicit about you claiming before I do though.  Can you explain that?

Some people were afraid that I could agree with some random person.  But, now that I think about it, some random person wouldn't claim to get a whisper...  Oh well, it doesn't matter much.

I didn't have the opportunity to communicate with you.  What do you mean "agree"?

[sudgy]

Say, for some reason, some random dude said, "I got a whisper from sudgy!" when he didn't.  Scum!sudgy could say, "um, oh yeah, I did whisper you!" without ever whispering to anybody.  Now, the problem is that nobody other than another scum would say they got a whisper from me.

[Twistedarcher]

So, I've been thinking some on this...

Lio-X had the lover-cop power. While we got on their case for this, it DOES seem strange to have that power included if the only lovers included were Lio-Xeiron and Sudgy-unknown. Therefore, we can make the same assumption that Lio-X made, that there's 3 sets of lovers.

With this knowledge, lover-cop is pretty powerful. A positive result nails scum.

If there weren't scum in lover pairs, would there be a lover-cop included? Seems to not have all that much utility.

What we know: Nkirbit claimed non-lover. Nkirbit was the night kill. Sudgy doesn't know who his partner is.

What is there are two scum, and they're BOTH one-half of an unknown-lover pair. Sudgy is one scum, doesn't know who his lover is. Someone else is another scum, and also doesn't know who their lover is.

This would completely explain the Nkirbit kill. He's the one person who came out and claimed non-lover. Scum would be wary of possibly targetting their partners -- out of the remaining players (Mail-mi, Eevee, Raerae, EFHW, myself (one of these would be scum)), they have a 50% chance of hitting a scum partner if they aim blindly. But by killing (or poisoning) nkirbit, they have a 0% chance of hitting their scum partner.

This is solely set-up speculation, and not based off of reads of people, but this would make sense, and go along with the Nkirbit night kill. Also makes sense in terms of game balance, and the game not ending too quickly either way.

Setup would be:

Lio-Xeiron (lovers, town)
Sudgy (scum)-unknown (town)
unknown (scum) - unknown (town)
Nkirbit (town)
Unknown (town)
Unknown (town)

Probably not true, of course. One problem is that it becomes far too easy for the town part of the scum-town lover pairs to claim to sacrifice themselves. Perhaps one of the solo unknowns would also be scum in that case?

[Twistedarcher]

Oops, second paragraph should be like the fifth paragraph in the thing above