This is exactly what I mean about being reactive, rather than proactive. Town members WANT to find scum and lynch them. In order to win, we need to hunt down scum, and convince the majority of the players that their read is the correct one. Townies should trust themselves more than anyone else.
The bolded sentence doesn't make sense to me. Eevee, EFHW, and Xeiron, 3 people who Nkirbit said were slightly scum to him, were not anywhere near a lynch.
Scum are more likely to worry about a mislynch than town. Scum doesn't want to be on the wrong mislynch, as it's potentially incriminating. Town should be more concerned with lynching correctly, rather than avoiding mislynches.
I have heavily supported two bandwagons in my mafia career. Both were townies, and I hammered one of them. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to be worried about a mislynch.
Also, I stated at the time that my top scumread was Lio, and he's the player I spent the most time discussing. But I couldn't vote for him at the time for reasons discussed earlier. There's no way in hell I'm going to vote for a player who wasn't my top scumread, unless there's an impending deadline and my top read is not happening. Anyway, two of the other three players were V/LA at the time. I don't know what a vote on them would have accomplished.
No, I’d prefer you to build a case. Stating a scum read on someone is not building a case. You’re letting others form their own conclusions, which you then hope that they’ll be accountable for. It’s very easy to build a case, have people bandwagon that case, and then state “Yeah I thought it was scummy, but I wasn’t in favor of that lynch!” Once again, I think this is cautious play by scum afraid of being caught driving a bandwagon on a town member.
What on earth are you talking about? A case is "Here's player X, I think he's scummy for reasons Y and Z, and I'm fairly sure Y and Z are scummy, so vote for him!" What I said was "Here's player X, I think he's slightly scummy for reasons Y and Z [but I'm not sure so I'm not going to ask you to vote at this point]. The reason I didn't build strong cases on these players is because I looked and I didn't find one. Perhaps I should have made one up, would that have satisfied you?
The lack of proactiveness is in light of your other posts, many of which have opinions, but opinions that you're afraid to throw your weight behind. Yes, I haven't been that much more proactive than you, but I was willing to throw a vote on Lio for something I saw scummy, as was Raerae (which I find her towny for). You found him scummy, but didn't vote, and then changed your opinion (If you're town, it's truly cause you think it's a scum-driven wagon, but I believe it's a scum trying to gain town cred).
I don't think it's fair at all to criticize me for not voting lio. I was considering it, and hadn't yet made a decision whether I would or not, but by the time I would have, raerae put lio at L-2 and we agreed we should not put him to L-1 at that point. You keep bringing this point up, but ignore this circumstance. Why? Would you have preferred me to put Lio to L-1?
As to switching away from Lio: They felt like town wagons to me. I can't say specifically why, but if you look at Mean Girls, you should be able to find why I think that. I wish I could elaborate more on this, but I can't.
I'm not reading into Xeiron's vote, and I think Sudgy's was RVS, as well. If you are saying that between #210, where EFHW's suspicion was, and between my case, we had three different players pronounce you as a town read. If you think I'm scum going for an easy mislynch, do you really think I'd pick you? I think you are scum, which is why I brought up the case.
I suppose this is fair enough.
The case wasn't on a lack of contribution -- it was a lack of contribution to scumhunting in light of all of your other posts. Making reads, but not throwing your weight behind them, is something that I find scummy in you.
But I haven't been scumhunting less than you! If you believe that's the case based on you and raerae voting for lio before I had a chance to, I think that's quite the stretch.
Your list of reads, and your vote changing on Liopoil, alerted me. I had originally thought that you WERE proactive, as you were getting your views out there. But as time moved on and you didn't place your vote anywhere, even on one of your scum reads, or attempt to build a case at all, I got curious.
Before your case on me, I challenge you to find one post where you built a case to a larger extent I did. I'll give you a hint. It's not there.
It's not a guess -- I know you pretty well! I may be wrong, but I don't think I am.
You are very active, but less proactive. As I stated above, I was fooled at first, but when I went back and re-read you, my view changed.
You're simply wrong. I am not less proactive.
Because it's not the main reason I find you scummy. Yes, I forgot about it, as it wasn't my main point. I want a short, to-the-point case, that drives the main points home (which I failed at in this post, heh).
I'll help you out here.
TA's case on me is that I have not been proactive.
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