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[Archetype]

Arch: was that a lie to save Razz from full claiming like (s)he says?

Correct. I didn't know how I wanted him to handle it. We didn't expect there to be so many WWs.

[Axxle]

Why didn't you guys open the day like that? It's an obvious lie.

[liopoil]

Crazy stuff. I'm not totally caught up yet. please don't quicklynch anyone.

[ashersky]

And they also can recruit someone that has died.  Sorta twice, once is any night on anyone dead, once requires 2 of them to be left and it suicides the person recruiting.

Who is they? 

Archetype recruits?  Or the Conspiracy Theorists do?  Holes all over your story.

[Razzishi]

I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

[liopoil]

Even if they're obvscum. we have a lot of claims to work through first.

[ashersky]

I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?

[mail-mi]

Argh I don't know who to believe! This is so confusing! I blame the mod!

Vote: eHalc (technically meaning unvote)

[mail-mi]

I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?

Well, the Axxle2 death for one.

[ashersky]

I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?

Well, the Axxle2 death for one.

So the CTs didn't kill on N1?

[Razzishi]

CTs started as Me, Axxle, Axxle2, spiritbears, jotheonah.  I was recruited by Archetype night 1, which led me to some serious setup speculation.  Confirm eevee is in our QT.  The CTs have a one-shot revive and recruit, and a one-shot reincarnate when there's two of them left.  The reincarnate is the same thing as revive and recruit it sounds like, but it suicides the the person using it.  Their win condition is to get rid of everyone else.  That's why they're scum, even if they appear as town.  Not sure why Arch keeps lying, but they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.

I tried as much as I could to push the alternate setup hypotheses as a pseudo-breadcrumb that my role would end up being very odd.  I didn't want to claim immediately because I had no clue if I was right.  Once so many people were out as wolves and someone actively attacked a person I was in a QT with due to a lie (which I think was a bad move, but what's done is done) I felt there was a compelling enough reason to come out and wouldn't get immediately lynched as a WW.

[Razzishi]

That is, I had no clue if it was safe to reveal as WW.  As to "being right", I meant my own faction being "town" due to what our win condition was.

[Razzishi]

And by "my own faction" I mean the WWs.  The CTs are nice people and all, but I can win without them and it should be very easy now.

[ashersky]

How do you explain Morgrim's resurrection?  Was that a revive from the CTs?

[ashersky]

CTs started as Me, Axxle, Axxle2, spiritbears, jotheonah.  I was recruited by Archetype night 1, which led me to some serious setup speculation.  Confirm eevee is in our QT.  The CTs have a one-shot revive and recruit, and a one-shot reincarnate when there's two of them left.  The reincarnate is the same thing as revive and recruit it sounds like, but it suicides the the person using it.  Their win condition is to get rid of everyone else.  That's why they're scum, even if they appear as town.  Not sure why Arch keeps lying, but they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.

I tried as much as I could to push the alternate setup hypotheses as a pseudo-breadcrumb that my role would end up being very odd.  I didn't want to claim immediately because I had no clue if I was right.  Once so many people were out as wolves and someone actively attacked a person I was in a QT with due to a lie (which I think was a bad move, but what's done is done) I felt there was a compelling enough reason to come out and wouldn't get immediately lynched as a WW.

The problem with your claim is this:

If true, you should have said all of this at the beginning of Day 2.  All of it.  You could have laid out the entire scum team for the town, and game over.  So why didn't you?

Possibly you and Arch are lying together as scum?

[mcmcsalot]

How do you explain Morgrim's resurrection?  Was that a revive from the CTs?

morgrims ressurection has to do wit his role, he hammered jorbles coming back into to game with jorbles role

[Archetype]

they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.

This is what I meant.

[Archetype]

If true, you should have said all of this at the beginning of Day 2.  All of it.  You could have laid out the entire scum team for the town, and game over.  So why didn't you?

Well then people would have lynched us. I mean, we're WW. In NORMAL games, you go out and say that.

[liopoil]

I can verify that arch targetted razzishi N1. If you don't believe this claim, and think that I am in a scumteam with them, I can have this claim verified as well.

[Razzishi]

I can't explain Morgrim's resurrection.  I had no way of knowing that CTs were actual scum on Day 2; I thought they were just another 3rd party and there was actual Mafia to hunt.  I didn't think WWs were most of the Town on Day 2; I knew we were town-like with our win condition, but only as things progressed did it become clearer.  Also, there's almost certainly an SK, who I think is Ashersky, and I'm probably going to die at night if we don't kill them.

[ashersky]

Should we all just fullclaim at this point?

[mcmcsalot]

Should we all just fullclaim at this point?

you may, I doubt I'll believe it.

[Archetype]

Should we all just fullclaim at this point?

Yes, starting with you.

[ashersky]

Also, there's almost certainly an SK, who I think is Ashersky, and I'm probably going to die at night if we don't kill them.

This is wrong on every level.

You have zero case for me being an SK.  Arch makes much more sense for that role, especially given his vampirevampirevampire posting.

Problem is, you two seem to have decided to gambit together.  So vampires as a killing team, WWs as "town," and Conspiracy Theorists as something else?  I mean, eHal could be Team Jacob, I guess.

If you really are a WW, and you believe mcmc is too, you won't lynch me.

My VK is locked in on mcmc with eHal now.

[Dsell]

It does not feel right that Razzishi is simply able to out the whole scum team after being recruited.

I am a WW.

I am ok with lynching Spiritbears or perhaps Ashersky (except that I'm concerned about vengeing, and I certainly believe mcmc more than Ash) and I suppose maybe the "conspiracy theorists" that Razzishi claimed to have outed. But that all feels quite wrong, that we would already have the game solved. I'm willing to pursue it at least for a bit though.