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Title: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 25, 2013, 11:15:51 pm
Welcome to BMIX: Conspiracy Theories.

I am not posting thorough rules here.  Please use common sense. 
Ask me if you must, but the rules here will be pretty much the standard rules.  Here are some call outs:




And on that note, here is the opening flavour:




In the sleepy little town of London (which is not in England nor in Ontario, it just happens to have the same name as those more famous cities, get over it), whispers are being whispered.  Rumours are being rumoured.  Troubles are being troubled getting troubling.  They say that there are monsters living here, possibly even masquerading as regular old townies!  Horror of horrors!

Note: the rumours are not clear if these "monsters" are just monstrous human criminals, or creatures of fang or claw or shuffling or ray gun or really, really foul-smelling cheese.  There is some debate.

Now, the town of London cannot allow this.  We have a reputation to uphold!  If our homes are filled with monsters (either literal or metaphorical), then how will we ever make it onto a real map (and one day: the Atlas)?  Our booming tourism industry will suffer terribly!

And so you are gathered, citizens of London, to suss out the riffraff and put them down.  Gently.  Fatally.



Players in alphabetical order:


Day 1 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg217970#msg217970)
Day 2 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg220558#msg220558)
Day 3 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg222611#msg222611)
Day 4 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg228654#msg228654)
Day 5 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg235885#msg235885)
Day 6 Start (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg237316#msg237316)
Game End (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7566.msg238023#msg238023)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 0)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 25, 2013, 11:16:42 pm
Thread locked.

Day 1 will start on Tuesday at around noon Wednesday in the afternoon or evening (GMT-6).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 30, 2013, 01:29:35 pm
Morning finally dawns, like a brand of dish washing detergent or the anomalous younger sister of a vampire slayer.  And how London (neither England nor Ontario) wished they had a vampire slayer in their midst, for certainly she would be able to clear out the monsters that were (allegedly) infesting this place! 

Pretty much all the villagers in the town now went through a morning routine that had recently come into vogue: a shower and a spritz or two or a dozen of Febreze, lest someone consider your odour to be especially cadaveric; shaving the entire body to eliminate any lupine hirsuteness; a generous coating of face powder, lest someone accuse you of being particularly sparkly in the sunlight; and finally brushing and flossing, because that's just good hygiene.

And now, the pressing concern for the forseeable future (because who has time for holding down a steady job or doing any real work?): holding lengthy and repetitive meetings to decide who next to burn at the stake (they shall need the town's largest scales).

Allons-y!






Day 1 Start

Vote Count 1.1

Not voting (16): Archetype, ashersky, Axxle, Axxle2, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, Jorbles, jotheonah, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT

Thread unlocked!


(most recent edit for a typo)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 30, 2013, 01:30:20 pm
Feel free not to read the flavour.  It's not important.  Not even slightly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on March 30, 2013, 01:37:48 pm
Hi.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 30, 2013, 01:38:22 pm
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 30, 2013, 01:38:52 pm
Hi.
obvscum Vote: Robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on March 30, 2013, 01:47:25 pm
Vote: Archetype
Saving my scumbuddy
Saving RVS for the actual lynch
Just feels right.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 02:40:10 pm
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)
What exactly is a "tabletop day"?  (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on March 30, 2013, 02:50:19 pm
Is this your first game?  Rvs is a way to jumpstart the game and get some content flowing.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 30, 2013, 02:59:11 pm
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)
What exactly is a "tabletop day"?  (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).

It's the most popular festival of Carpenter Appreciation Month. Most families spend it together carving a new dinner table, which they put to use that night with a stuffed Goose.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on March 30, 2013, 03:09:54 pm
Luckily not a lot of people celebrate tabletop day since although F-14s are fast, they're not that fast.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 03:57:22 pm
Yay rvs! Vote: Robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on March 30, 2013, 04:14:17 pm
Hey, checking in to tag for future updates but i'll be busy till mid sunday.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 04:53:07 pm
Not totally green, but still new, yes, and new enough to have yet to taste said bird.  But wanting to see some of his famous/infamous play, vote:Mogrim7.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 04:55:55 pm
This is rvs, so Vote: Morgrim7. Lets get a wagon going!
Besides…

…whats one VT, more or less?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 05:05:15 pm
This is rvs, so Vote: Morgrim7. Lets get a wagon going!
Besides…

…whats one VT, more or less?
I smell a conspiracy!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 05:31:50 pm
hello!! hmmm... Vote: eHalcyon. this game is a conspiracy.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 05:35:48 pm
hello!! hmmm... Vote: eHalcyon. this game is a conspiracy.
You can't kill the mod! vote liopoil cuz he can't follow rules!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 05:36:10 pm
it's a bastard game I can do whatever I want...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 06:09:55 pm
So can I! Second vote: liopoil what do ya think about that?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 06:11:04 pm
Okay fine. Unvote. even bastard games have rules... just not for the mod.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 06:24:20 pm
Good. Unvote, but only my second vote. I'm keeping an eye on you, liopoil.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 06:26:08 pm
Good. Unvote, but only my second vote. I'm keeping an eye on you, liopoil.
sounds a bit faked...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 06:38:10 pm
eh, nevermind, this is RVS, doesn't mean anything.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 06:59:19 pm
Hey, no votes on me?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 07:02:28 pm
Hey, no votes on me?
I don't count?
And you either?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 07:05:54 pm
No, thats only two. Seriously, wtf.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 07:09:23 pm
No, thats only two. Seriously, wtf.
I admit....it's not much of a wagon.  How about I offer up some $$ to jump on this train.....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 07:12:55 pm
Yes. Is Galz in this game? He'll vote for me. Wont you?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 07:13:55 pm
I was about to vote mogrim for trying to get me to vote for morgrim, which I don't want to do, but then I realized that I would be voting for morgrim...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 07:14:31 pm
Vote: razzishi for making his first game a bastard game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 07:16:33 pm
All of you, vote for Morgrim! C'mon guys, lets lynch him! He's probaly scum. I mean, think about it. Thats probably what he asked eHal for.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 07:16:56 pm
1 FG for each M7 vote
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 07:19:02 pm
1 FG for each M7 vote
Make that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 07:20:27 pm
1 FG for each M7 vote
Make that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
You matching or volunteering to spend my FGs?!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 30, 2013, 07:22:34 pm
1 FG for each M7 vote
Make that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
You matching or volunteering to spend my FGs?!
Matching. But eh, nvm. They can vote for Morgrim on their own.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 30, 2013, 07:24:57 pm
So, for those who don't know, eHal is the king of flavor.  It is super important.

I think we have vampires, werewolves, and zombies in this game, at least.  Probably mafia, too.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 07:29:16 pm
what's a FG? fool's gold?

uh-oh, mafia! lets worry about those first, then maybe take care of the pesky vampires, werewolves, and zombies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 30, 2013, 07:35:35 pm
what's a FG? fool's gold?

uh-oh, mafia! lets worry about those first, then maybe take care of the pesky vampires, werewolves, and zombies.
Yes.  I thought it appropriate!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 07:38:06 pm
eh, well I don't want just one fool's gold! that is, unless Ya'll plan on buying provinces...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 30, 2013, 07:48:22 pm

Note: the rumours are not clear if these "monsters" are just monstrous human criminals, or creatures of fang or claw or shuffling or ray gun or really, really foul-smelling cheese.  There is some debate.


So...

Human criminals = mafia
Fang = vamp
Claw = WW
Shuffling = zombie
Ray gun = alien
Cheese = joke, I think
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 07:54:08 pm
well, I claim cheese! (because the others are bad guys!)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 30, 2013, 08:27:22 pm
Ok then.  Someone let me know when RVS is over and my contributions are useful.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 30, 2013, 09:04:09 pm
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)
What exactly is a "tabletop day"?  (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).

A day where I go up to my local game store and hang out with one other person who came to play table-top games on International Table-top game day, and he didn't really feel like playing 2-person Dominion (I don't blame him, I would have crushed him mercilessly).  Whoohoo, waste of 4.5 hours waiting to see if anyone would show up.  I also found out that I lost my Dark Ages randomizers.  I must have left them there last time I played there a month ago, and well, I'm sure they're trash by now because I was the only one that really pushed Dominion there.

Vote: razzishi for making his first game a bastard game.

I agree completely that said player is a right bastard for doing such a thing.

Haven't found a real vote, and apparently people like RVS, so I feel compelled.

Vote: Ashersky

For being the person to post previous to me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 09:08:24 pm
Cheese = joke, I think
It is BM, you never know if anything is a joke or not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 30, 2013, 09:10:09 pm
In the sleepy little town of London (which is not in England nor in Ontario, it just happens to have the same name as those more famous cities, get over it), whispers are being whispered. 

I once read an article online from a Toronto newspaper about a theatre or something in "London".  Not once did the article mention whether it was London, England or London, Ontario.  I looked very closely for clues and didn't find any.  Given London, Ontario is pretty near Toronto, it would make sense to them to refer to it fairly casually and assume people knew they meant the local one, but it was like a high-class theatre (it was in Canada, that's how you spell that word there) or something that one would more associate with the much larger London, England.  I was completely dumbfounded how anyone managed to get that article printed without at least SOME reference to which London they were talking about.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 30, 2013, 09:25:46 pm
well, I claim cheese! (because the others are bad guys!)

Are you seriously claiming you are cheese, or just joking?  This is a serious question of utmost importance.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 30, 2013, 09:31:57 pm
I am not claiming cheese.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 30, 2013, 10:08:36 pm
Cheese = joke, I think
It is BM, you never know if anything is a joke or not.

This is extremely scummy.

I am not claiming cheese.

Oh, and this too.

Vote: Morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 30, 2013, 10:31:40 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS46W8Wix-Bd0EltTCzW-xneno0IEvtLu-XYPSzhi7gUAIYlazEig)

This is extremely scummy too.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 30, 2013, 10:38:10 pm
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS46W8Wix-Bd0EltTCzW-xneno0IEvtLu-XYPSzhi7gUAIYlazEig)

This is extremely scummy too.

Vote: Rock
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 30, 2013, 11:02:12 pm
Wagon on Rock! Vote: Rock
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 31, 2013, 12:05:57 am
No! Wagon on Morgrim! Ill give you a Grand Market if you do! And Galz's saucepan that I stole!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on March 31, 2013, 12:07:55 am
Leave the scum on the rock alone. It's a just a plant meant to distract. The real scum behind the plant is Razzishi for putting it out there. Vote: Razzishi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Jorbles on March 31, 2013, 12:48:03 am
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........

VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 01:19:54 am
So, for those who don't know, eHal is the king of flavor.  It is super important.
He said so himself that it wasn't important! And eHalc would never mislead us

...right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on March 31, 2013, 02:41:36 am
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........

VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000


Why? My role should be obvious...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 31, 2013, 02:53:08 am
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........

VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000


Why? My role should be obvious...

Should we try to figure out what people would ask for?  It's the ultimate meta argument.  I think Robz goes for JK, personally.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 31, 2013, 03:06:41 am
I would highly appreciate it if you guys did unofficial vote counts which I could just copy and paste without checking. ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on March 31, 2013, 03:12:49 am
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........

VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000


Why? My role should be obvious...

Should we try to figure out what people would ask for?  It's the ultimate meta argument.  I think Robz goes for JK, personally.

Exactly!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 31, 2013, 04:29:19 am
YES! Morgrim probably asked for scum! He aways loved being scum, remmber?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 09:14:03 am
...I actually think morgrim is scum... because he's trying to get people  to vote for him, which makes it kinda hard to seriously lynch him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 31, 2013, 09:20:09 am
...I actually think morgrim is scum... because he's trying to get people  to vote for him, which makes it kinda hard to seriously lynch him.
Yes. See? I have supporters for a Morgrim lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 10:07:31 am
YES! Morgrim probably asked for scum! He aways loved being scum, remmber?
This is probably true. m7 asks for scum....but does he get it?  Lets say yes, what would he do to throw us off his trail?  Claim scum vociferously of course!  Hmmm might just be into something here!  (And I'll keep those fools holds thank you very much....but I'll take that GM Morgrim7!)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 31, 2013, 10:15:53 am
What's the role that wins when lynched?  That's probably Morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 10:26:12 am
I doubt it, because this is an odd way to go about it... If morgrim was a jester a better way to go about it would be to "scumslip" and claim VT...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 31, 2013, 10:33:11 am
I doubt it, because this is an odd way to go about it... If morgrim was a jester a better way to go about it would be to "scumslip" and claim VT...

who says nobody wanted to be VT? But seriously, not everyone got what they wanted.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 10:39:11 am
no that's not what I meant. I meant to scumslip something, and also claim VT. claiming VT makes you a lot easier to lynch, and less likely to be NKed, which is what a jester wants. but morgrim isn't a jester.....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 10:41:24 am
There could totally be VTs in this game, (I might be one).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 11:30:05 am
So, for those who don't know, eHal is the king of flavor.  It is super important.
He said so himself that it wasn't important! And eHalc would never mislead us

...right?

If eHal is the king of flavor, that doesn't necessarily mean that flavor means anything.  It's just flavor, right?  Well, the fact that this is a bastard game and he seems so vociferous about making sure we know that flavor is unimportant that we definitely need to be on the lookout for clues from the flavor, but at the same time those clues are likely misleading.  The part about the 5 different kinds of scum along with the heavily waffling over whether there actually are threats to the town makes me think that there isn't any traditional scum team in this game.  There could be a pseudo-scum faction without a night kill, rendering the game semi-nightless (town still has investigative roles), or there could be a bunch of SKs each with a different flavor.  Hell, maybe both. 

The one thing's that's certain is that this is a game of mafia that isn't over, and thus town needs to lynch at least one person in order to win.  As much as I don't trust Morgrim's attempt to get votes on him, he could just be intentionally trying to get people away from voting for him the one time he's finally scum.  If something interesting happens when he gets lynch, that's cool too.  I just don't see him as VT or a town PR if he's actively trying to get people to vote for him, and if a Jester is included in the game then we should just let them win and get on with the rest of the game.

Vote: Morgrim
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 31, 2013, 11:33:46 am
Vote: morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 04:28:48 pm
I think people should claim what they asked for. I'll start:

I've never been a SK, so I asked to be one. Didn't get it though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 04:30:43 pm
that could be a bad idea for people who asked for town PRs... and got it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 04:32:42 pm
that could be a bad idea for people who asked for town PRs... and got it.
Yeah, I guess you're right. And scum could lie anyway.

Never mind, bad idea.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on March 31, 2013, 04:34:37 pm
I think people should claim what they asked for. I'll start:

I've never been a SK, so I asked to be one. Didn't get it though.

Interesting.

We know that A) Archetype asked to be an SK, or B) Archetype just now lied to us about asking to be an SK

If A: Isn't Archetype more likely to be an SK than anyone else? Isn't that a lead that maybe we should pursue?

If B: Then he is a liar, and liars are usually scum, unless they're me or something.

Vote: Archetype
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 04:40:56 pm
Town lies are usually a bad idea, yes, and in this case I don't see a reason for town to lie about that. So if we assume that he's either scum, or asked for SK (maybe even both), then that does look bad. this is the first thing that has any substance to it... so Vote: Archetype
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on March 31, 2013, 04:41:00 pm
Vote: Robz
Lol SK hunting.
Also SK hunting without a night to verify two killing factions.

Now I think Arch is separately scummy for backing down on the massclaim so easily, but not as much as Robz with that post.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on March 31, 2013, 04:42:45 pm
that could be a bad idea for people who asked for town PRs... and got it.
Yay a fellow anti-massclaimer!

There could totally be VTs in this game, (I might be one).
I don't like this post, it's very wishywashy after the attacks on Morgrim earlier.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 04:44:30 pm
That post was a clarification of my post that made it look like I thought there weren't any VTs in this game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Eevee on March 31, 2013, 04:45:42 pm
Oh, this has started. ..hi!

I dont think Morgrim is mafia. Some other form of scum or jester (that has to self hammer to win for example? Thematic?) would make sense.

Robz's Arche is a SK theory, while sound, also makes me think he is more likely to be mafia (than before).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 04:46:32 pm
Town lies are usually a bad idea, yes, and in this case I don't see a reason for town to lie about that. So if we assume that he's either scum, or asked for SK (maybe even both), then that does look bad. this is the first thing that has any substance to it... so Vote: Archetype
Well I'm not lying. I honestly asked for a SK role really hoping I'd get it. Turns out that there isn't any SKs in the game so I got stuck with a lame Town role.

If I was scum, why would I even say I asked for a SK role? I wouldn't have even offered to claim in the first place.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 04:48:31 pm
the thing is, that is totally the sort of role Morgrim would ask for... but not the sort of role generally included in games right, even bastard ones?

how do you know there isn't a SK?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Eevee on March 31, 2013, 04:50:47 pm
the thing is, that is totally the sort of role Morgrim would ask for... but not the sort of role generally included in games right, even bastard ones?

how do you know there isn't a SK?
It's a bastard game, why not? The game can go on after Morg wins/loses his own mini game?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 04:52:15 pm
the thing is, that is totally the sort of role Morgrim would ask for... but not the sort of role generally included in games right, even bastard ones?

how do you know there isn't a SK?
I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 04:53:40 pm
I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?
Not neccessarily:
Hey guys, please note that order of sign up played no part in how roles were assigned. I waited for everyone to sign up and then I tried to satisfy as many as possible. If you gave second or third choices, or became more likely for you to get those of someone else requested only your first choice, regardless of sign up order. So don't try to guess role assignments based on sign up order or anything. It won't work.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?
Not neccessarily:
Hey guys, please note that order of sign up played no part in how roles were assigned. I waited for everyone to sign up and then I tried to satisfy as many as possible. If you gave second or third choices, or became more likely for you to get those of someone else requested only your first choice, regardless of sign up order. So don't try to guess role assignments based on sign up order or anything. It won't work.
Oh, didn't see that.

Well I only said SK, so I guess the only way for there to be one would for someone else to say only SK and then win in random.org
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 31, 2013, 05:10:13 pm
Yes! Heres GMs for you all. lll even throw in a pack of gum. Im also gonna unvote so I can self-hammer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on March 31, 2013, 05:42:43 pm
I feel like arch has more setup info, I'm not buying the whole I signed up first thing. I think more setup info is more likely to be scum.

Morgrim I have no idea about but I feel like is also more likely to be scum. I have read about a gambit to seem like you are a jester and therefor dodge the lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on March 31, 2013, 05:44:51 pm
But what if Im actually scum, but am doing this so that you think I am Jester and wont lynch me? No. Vote! Vote! Vote!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on March 31, 2013, 05:51:01 pm
But what if Im actually scum, but am doing this so that you think I am Jester and wont lynch me? No. Vote! Vote! Vote!

This is what I think...I am willing to lynch you
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 31, 2013, 06:26:20 pm
Robz is evil. Policy Robz lynch, guyz! Vote: Robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 06:57:41 pm
Vote: Robz
Lol SK hunting.
Also SK hunting without a night to verify two killing factions.

Now I think Arch is separately scummy for backing down on the massclaim so easily, but not as much as Robz with that post.
I'm confused. Which post of Robz' was scumish? The reply to the mass claim request?  Or all of them?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 31, 2013, 07:17:28 pm
We should lynch Morgrim as soon as he asks people to vote for him, teach him a lesson. :P










But really. Vote: Morgrim
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on March 31, 2013, 07:22:21 pm
Teach him a lesson! Vote: morgrim
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 07:34:36 pm
Yeah, I think I'm going to want to go with either a Robz or a Morgrim lynch here. I think my vote's already on Robz, so I'll just leave it there.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 07:40:49 pm
Unofficially--I count 5 (6 if you believe mog will actually self-hammer).  If my math is right (and it most certainly is poor at best)...with 16, do we need 8 or 9 for a lynch?  At this point I'm really curious what will happen if we moglynch, and I think it's at least a fairly good chance he's scum anyway.....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 07:48:20 pm
Unofficial vote count.  Votes are in alphabetical order, not order they were placed:

Archetype (1) - Robz
Morgrim7 (4) - Dsell, mail-mi, Razzishi, spiritbears
Razzishi (2) - Galzria, liopoil
Robz (3) - Archetype, Axxle, Jorbles

With 16 alive, it take 9 to lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 07:48:51 pm
Aargh.

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 07:50:47 pm
Double aargh, missed at least one vote.  Speak up if I missed more.

Archetype (2) - Robz, liopoli
Morgrim7 (4) - Dsell, mail-mi, Razzishi, spiritbears
Razzishi (1) - Galzria
Robz (3) - Archetype, Axxle, Jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 07:56:16 pm
At least one person has said that they didn't get the role they requested, and as for me, I didn't request any particular role.  It would be interesting to hear just how many people did get the role that they asked for.  Unless you've made it known what you asked for somewhere else, this should be a complete null-tell as to alignment.  We were told we'd all get power roles, so there's no bias there in coming out in saying you got a power role.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 07:58:01 pm
Double aargh, missed at least one vote.  Speak up if I missed more.

Archetype (2) - Robz, liopoli
Morgrim7 (4) - Dsell, mail-mi, Razzishi, spiritbears
Razzishi (1) - Galzria
Robz (3) - Archetype, Axxle, Jorbles
I see I must have double counted Mail-mi or Dsell or both. Apologies. With Morg's promise if a self hammer, we really are getting near a train, caravan or something like that.  I think I can see Morgrim7 smiling mischievously.....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 07:59:53 pm
At least one person has said that they didn't get the role they requested, and as for me, I didn't request any particular role.  It would be interesting to hear just how many people did get the role that they asked for.  Unless you've made it known what you asked for somewhere else, this should be a complete null-tell as to alignment.  We were told we'd all get power roles, so there's no bias there in coming out in saying you got a power role.
I told eHal I'd be happy with whatever he gave me and I am.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Eevee on March 31, 2013, 08:12:24 pm
At least one person has said that they didn't get the role they requested, and as for me, I didn't request any particular role.  It would be interesting to hear just how many people did get the role that they asked for.  Unless you've made it known what you asked for somewhere else, this should be a complete null-tell as to alignment.  We were told we'd all get power roles, so there's no bias there in coming out in saying you got a power role.
Nah, I think people tend to ask for stronger roles on average. I dont think this is a good idea.

And oh okay morgrim, how can you be town? You cant. Vote: morgrim If he is a jester, he deserves a win with that meta.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 08:51:37 pm
five on morgrim, plus morgrim is six... If he's a jester then he's still a better lynch than a town lynch..... Morgrim, are you actually claiming not-town? we'll lynch you...

mail-mi has been voting a ton... on back and forth on robz and morgrim many times, who are the ones who have thusfar been considered as actual lynch candidates... oh, and he voted me too... "twice" actually. And the rock even! Seems a bit scummy to me, because it's easier to talk by putting a bunch of votes out there than scum. On further thought, arche's claim doesn't make much sense as scum, so Vote: Mail-mi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 31, 2013, 09:01:53 pm
I'm okay with a Morg Jester win.  It doesn't go against the town wincon.

vote: morgrim
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 09:05:21 pm
morgrim is actually in lynch-territory, are we going to lynch someone already?? seems a bit too fast...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 09:05:57 pm
I mean, some people haven't even posted yet...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 31, 2013, 09:09:35 pm
I think Morg is at L-2.  I don't know if the mods plan on real vote counts or not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 09:15:47 pm
I mean, some people haven't even posted yet...
This.

We should give people until at least Monday to get some posts in.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on March 31, 2013, 09:18:31 pm
I don't really think there's any way lynching Morgrim could be a good thing for us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 09:20:44 pm
I mean, some people haven't even posted yet...
This.

We should give people until at least Monday to get some posts in.
I wonder how Morg feels about all this...do you crave the blade and want it quickly?  Or are you ready to call off the hounds? 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 31, 2013, 09:44:47 pm
I don't really think there's any way lynching Morgrim could be a good thing for us.

You KNOW he asked for a scum role. (Ignoring the fact that you probably did too)

It doesn't mean he got it but there is almost no way for town to know that a Morg lynch is bad.

Anyway I don't want to lynch him before everybody's gotten a chance to say something, funny day ones are one of the best parts of BM games anyway.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on March 31, 2013, 09:55:37 pm
I think it's more likely he asked to be a jester...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on March 31, 2013, 10:12:24 pm
I don't care if he wins as jester day one. It's a really anti-town ability, and Morgrim doesn't have the most pro-town reputation either.

Besides, Jester is really uncommon and I think it's better to just play as if it doesn't exist.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on March 31, 2013, 10:28:02 pm
Day 1 Start

Vote Count 1.2

Robz (3): Archetype, Jorbles, Axxle
Archetype (1):, Robz888
Morgrim7 (6): spiritbears, Dsell, razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky
razzishi (1): Galzria
mail-mi (1): liopoil

Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT

Thread unlocked!



This is correct.  I just did it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 11:01:01 pm
Day 1 Start

Vote Count 1.2

Robz (3): Archetype, Jorbles, Axxle
Archetype (1):, Robz888
Morgrim7 (6): spiritbears, Dsell, razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky
razzishi (1): Galzria
mail-mi (1): liopoil

Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT

Thread unlocked!



This is correct.  I just did it.

Not correct.  My name begins with R, not r.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Razzishi on March 31, 2013, 11:02:39 pm
I don't really think there's any way lynching Morgrim could be a good thing for us.

Where "us" means "me and my faction"?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 11:16:03 pm
Morgrim seems like the easily lunch, but I'm starting to think Robz is the right one.

I don't know, it's still pretty early and this isn't your normal type of game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 31, 2013, 11:20:05 pm
Important Update!



I have decided that it is not fair to have players do vote counts just because my bastardry wants to take the form of laziness.  But I still want to be lazy... and as we all know, this is the wellspring of innovation!

So behold, the VOTES QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FEPDib3qe6VX

I'm not sure this will actually work, but it's an experiment.  The idea is this: whenever you vote in the thread, you should also vote in the Votes QT.  The Votes QT is only for votes.

I think this should make it easier to compile vote counts, because you only have to look for the most recent votes of any player.

But if you guys hate this, we can go back to the traditional format.  Feel free to voice your opinion on this method (but I hope it doesn't overrun the regular game discussion).

But for now, ALL VOTES ARE CLEARED.


Edit: cancelled.  Well, I thought it was a good idea.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on March 31, 2013, 11:27:01 pm
Important Update!



I have decided that it is not fair to have players do vote counts just because my bastardry wants to take the form of laziness.  But I still want to be lazy... and as we all know, this is the wellspring of innovation!

So behold, the VOTES QT

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FEPDib3qe6VX

I'm not sure this will actually work, but it's an experiment.  The idea is this: whenever you vote in the thread, you should also vote in the Votes QT.  The Votes QT is only for votes.

I think this should make it easier to compile vote counts, because you only have to look for the most recent votes of any player.

But if you guys hate this, we can go back to the traditional format.  Feel free to voice your opinion on this method (but I hope it doesn't overrun the regular game discussion).

But for now, ALL VOTES ARE CLEARED.


Please NOOOO


Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on March 31, 2013, 11:27:14 pm
I think it's nifty! Maybe not worth it in a BM game (people don't talk too much) but it could be used in normal games or if the mod isn't online often enough.

Vote: Robz again.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on March 31, 2013, 11:30:43 pm
Please NOOOO

:(

If there is one more voice of dissent, I won't do it.  You bastards.
I thought I was brilliant too.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on April 01, 2013, 12:14:27 am
If we vote in the thread, do we have to vote here?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mail-mi on April 01, 2013, 12:15:05 am
If we do, vote: morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 12:20:00 am
Please NOOOO

:(

If there is one more voice of dissent, I won't do it.  You bastards.
I thought I was brilliant too.


I'm anti votes QT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Eevee on April 01, 2013, 12:34:54 am
Might really be a ploy not to get morgrim lynched, people. I encourage everyone to take the time to vote again.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Eevee on April 01, 2013, 12:35:27 am
Vote: Morgrim7

I'm anti voting QT too, mostly because bolding there is so annoying, especially on mobile.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 12:42:42 am
Vote: Morgrim7

I'm anti voting QT too, mostly because bolding there is so annoying, especially on mobile.
Yes!!! (Qt thing)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2013, 01:04:15 am
Vote: Morgrim7

I'm anti voting QT too, mostly because bolding there is so annoying, especially on mobile.
We wouldn't have to bold there, bolding is just to catch the mod's eye and since every post there is a vote it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2013, 01:05:08 am
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 01, 2013, 01:17:17 am
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?

Sometimes people leave out the colon.  Mehhhhh.  Anyway, I'll be a non-lazy mod for you guys.  The vote clear is uncleared, since my brilliant idea was not so popular.


Vote Count 1.2

Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (6): spiritbears, Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky
Razzishi (1): Galzria
Robz888 (3): Archetype, Jorbles, Axxle

Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Jorbles on April 01, 2013, 01:23:19 am
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2013, 02:09:43 am
Sometimes people leave out the colon.
Threaten modkills... or just say that votes without the colon are not counted.

Is Axxle2 just Axxle?
I think Axxle2 is VLA...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 01, 2013, 03:54:05 am
All right, fine.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on April 01, 2013, 04:08:28 am
And the award goes to eHalcyon for making the best role for Morgrim...ever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 06:46:41 am
All right, fine.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh.
I don't think I believe a single word of this.....ok maybe I believe the semi-word "meh".  It's all just too self-serving.  But I don't believe Morg will actually self-hammer, and just wants the Train off him.  I think he could be scum... But I'm not so convinced that I want him hammered this early.  (As interesting as it might turn out to be) unvote
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 08:40:50 am
All right, fine.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh. 
Guys, it's obviously an april fools joke.

But seriously. If he's telling the truth, WE LOSE when we get to lylo if he hasn't hammered yet. I think that Morgrim should hammer our victim today. So, putting someone at L-1 is like hammering, so state intent to do it, and people should claim whatever they want at L-2.

I thought the voting QT would be kinda cool, for the players even, to have a good record of who voted for who.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 01, 2013, 08:44:16 am
Im telling the truth. I actually wished for that exact role, fwiw. No april fools.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: jotheonah on April 01, 2013, 09:21:35 am
Wait, seriously? I ignore this game for two days and I have no votes on me? That's BS.

Anyway, who wants to give me a quick summary of the last 6 pages?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 09:45:52 am
morgrim asks to be lynched. He gets a bunch of votes. He claims. We aren't going to lynch morgrim.

oh, and arch claimed that he asked to be SK, and there was some stuff about that too.

...you didn't miss much.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 09:50:55 am
Wait, seriously? I ignore this game for two days and I have no votes on me? That's BS.

Anyway, who wants to give me a quick summary of the last 6 pages?

Morgrim: vote or me I'm scum!!
Everyone: he's jester we shouldn't vote.
Everyone else: no he's just scum trying to look like jester vote!
Arch: hey guys there isn't an sk. Um I mean I asked for sk. I mean I didn't get it so there isn't one right?
Robz: arch is sk or lying so lets lynch.
Morgrim: no vote me I'm sk, and scum at the same time ill self hammer!
Axxle: lets vote robz cuz he's trying to lynch sk
Everyone: yea lets just lynch morgrim I don't care if he's jester.
Else: sounds good to me jester is lame.
Ehalc: hey this game has cool lazy mod flavor oh yea, count your own vote in the vote qt, it's soo fun.
Everyone and else: NOOOOOOO
Ehalc: fine *grumble grumble colons grumble grumble gotta look through grumble grumble* here's your vote count.
Robz: no, lynching morgrim is bad...
Morgrim: yea I read my role wrong I don't come back to life with superpowers when I self hammer. But I do if I hammer everyone else so don't mind my quick hammers later on, just getting super powerful.

Take it with a grain of salt but probably not to bad.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 09:53:09 am
morgrim asks to be lynched. He gets a bunch of votes. He claims. We aren't going to lynch morgrim.

oh, and arch claimed that he asked to be SK, and there was some stuff about that too.

...you didn't miss much.

You. Are. No. Fun... Sooo much happened

But really, this is accurate other than the fact that we should still lynch morgrim as he is obvi scum whose jester plan backfired when we decided letting jester win was more fun than playing with jester.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Jorbles on April 01, 2013, 10:21:31 am
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?
I think Axxle2 is VLA...
[/quote]

Is Axxle2 a different person than Axxle? Could someone other than Axxle explain this to me? I don't trust his explanation.

As to Morgrim if he is the Jester I don't mind if he wins, if he's scum gambitting I don't mind if he loses. Vote: Morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Jorbles on April 01, 2013, 10:22:17 am
I still think there's a 100% chance Robz asked to be scum though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 01, 2013, 10:30:23 am
Im not jester.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 10:46:19 am
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?
I think Axxle2 is VLA...

Is Axxle2 a different person than Axxle? Could someone other than Axxle explain this to me? I don't trust his explanation.

As to Morgrim if he is the Jester I don't mind if he wins, if he's scum gambitting I don't mind if he loses. Vote: Morgrim7
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Axxle2 is Axxle, but he plays them as though they are two different people. A few things I can say about this.
1) I hate playing axxle/axxle2 games and was not aware it happened again.
2) Taking the previous statement into account he does play them very much as two different people. It is very wierd at first but he approaches the game two different ways, has two different posting habits, and does as best a job as he can to really make them separate.
3) I don't think its possible to fully play them separately and creates role issues

Im not jester.
Now that were all fine with letting jester win your not....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 11:45:51 am
As to Morgrim if he is the Jester I don't mind if he wins, if he's scum gambitting I don't mind if he loses. Vote: Morgrim7
Yeah, except he's town... He just claimed not jester. If he's jester he wouldn't claim not-jester  because he can just let himself get lynched. So he isn't a jester. His play matches perfectly with his role. I see no reason to lynch him more than any other player.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 12:57:13 pm
Liopoil, I don't think many people actually think morgrim is jester, your right if he was jester he could just claim it. But I think he is scum, he wanted everyone to think he was jester so no one would lynch him, that backfired and now he has claimed he isn't jester but a town role that benefits from hammer. He says he misread his role, you think in a game where we asked for roles we wanted he didn't read what his role did...

I don't get where you think he is town and we shouldn't lynch him anymore. Even if he was town, he claims self hammering himself turns him into scum which someone pointed out is terrible to have around later on, scum could put him to l-1 and have him self hammer. If his role is what he says, he tried to turn on town D1 why are we supposed to keep him around?

Again I don't think he is this town we role he described, I think he is scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 01:07:44 pm
I was the one that said we lose at L-1 with him! but I believe he said he gets the powers of the FIRST person he hammers. So let's just have him hammer the D1 lynch.

If he's town, he's the worst misslynch ever, just like beloved. He would self-hammer at L-1 and so we'd have to lynch him twice!

What reason do you have to think he's scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on April 01, 2013, 01:11:46 pm
I say we lynch Morgrim anyway, and just coordinate 2 votes so he can't hammer himself. Problem solved.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 03:37:32 pm
I say we lynch Morgrim anyway, and just coordinate 2 votes so he can't hammer himself. Problem solved.

Boom, this.

Liopoil I have said many times before:
1) I believe he is scum and had a plan to act as though he was the jester, this would cause everyone to not vote for him almost all game. I think once it became apparent his plan wasn't working and he was going to get lynched anyway, he thought up the town hammer role as cover.
2) When he described his role, there are quite a few inconsistencies.
All right, fine.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh.
So he gets the powers of the first person he hammers and changes alignment if he selfhammers. Knowing this he wants to self hammer and become scum. Upon re-reading, he has decided he doesn't want to self hammer because he would lose all his powers and be vanilla scum. I highly doubt he gains power of the first person he hammers and has his own powers that he loses if he selfhammers, so this is quite inconsistent. Upon rereading he finds out he loses all his powers if he ends up self hammering. This suggests again multiple powers, I really only think he could get multiple powers by hammering multiple people, but even so he says that he wouldn't want to self hammer and become a vanilla scum. If this is true why did he want to self hammer day 1 anyway, all that serves is to change his alignment which he wanted before and for some reason doesn't want now. This just doesn't add up and I think is just lying scum. I feel like no matter what morgrim does not have town's best interests at heart.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 01, 2013, 03:38:51 pm
to add to this, we got to request a role from ehalc, I know when I got mine I was very excited and read the pm fully, I have a hard time believing morgrim didn't understand what his role did.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 03:43:23 pm
And what would be so bad about getting to be vanilla scum?  It's still scum, and I didn't hear Morg saying he only wanted to be one specific kind of scum before....I'm pretty sure he just said "scum".   Just doesn't add up.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 03:58:21 pm
That's true, it doesn't make a lot of sense. I'd like to hear more from Morgrim about how his role works first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on April 01, 2013, 04:07:02 pm
I still think there's a 100% chance Robz asked to be scum though.

I didn't realize we could ask for an alignment, so no, I didn't ask for scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2013, 04:12:31 pm
But you still got it!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 04:30:43 pm
Morg sounds like a vampire, flavor wise?  Gains powers from those he kills sort of stuff...can draw an analogy to sucking blood.

My vote stays.  Just quickhammer to be safe.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 04:35:18 pm
I think it more likely we are looking for generic monsters.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 04:37:32 pm
I think it more likely we are looking for generic monsters.

This is eHal.  Go read RMM3.  Nothing is generic here.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 04:39:22 pm
oh. So maybe each scum is a different type of monster, and all together they are just called monsters?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 04:48:37 pm
oh. So maybe each scum is a different type of monster, and all together they are just called monsters?

I think we are looking for different types of monsters flavor-wise, but probably one team.  There's been entirely too much multi-ball on f.ds for him to take it that way again, I think.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 04:51:16 pm
I hope there's only one team. One team means a better chance of town winning! (in general).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 07:17:57 pm
Pretty sure Morgrim is a Vampire (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vampire)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 07:19:44 pm
Pretty sure Morgrim is a Vampire (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vampire)

Morg sounds like a vampire, flavor wise?  Gains powers from those he kills sort of stuff...can draw an analogy to sucking blood.

My vote stays.  Just quickhammer to be safe.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Robz888 on April 01, 2013, 07:21:45 pm
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 07:30:54 pm
Pretty sure Morgrim is a Vampire (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vampire)

Morg sounds like a vampire, flavor wise?  Gains powers from those he kills sort of stuff...can draw an analogy to sucking blood.

My vote stays.  Just quickhammer to be safe.
Well I thought you meant like the flavor Vampire, not the actual role Vampire.

Plus, links.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on April 01, 2013, 08:01:18 pm
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.

I disagree. And I'm ready to vote Morgrim. What's his count at?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:08:07 pm
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.

I disagree. And I'm ready to vote Morgrim. What's his count at?

L-1.  I propose you hammer him, so he can't hammer himself.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:08:30 pm
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?

Sometimes people leave out the colon.  Mehhhhh.  Anyway, I'll be a non-lazy mod for you guys.  The vote clear is uncleared, since my brilliant idea was not so popular.


Vote Count 1.2

Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (7): Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky, Jorbles, mcmcsalot
Razzishi (1): Galzria
Robz888 (2): Archetype, Axxle

Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, Morgrim7, spiritbears

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT

Updated
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:08:55 pm
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.

I disagree. And I'm ready to vote Morgrim. What's his count at?

L-1.  I propose you hammer him, so he can't hammer himself.

Wait, 9 to lynch.  So L-2.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:09:18 pm
Galz-Arch 1-2 punch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on April 01, 2013, 08:15:04 pm
Do votes still count? I had my vote on him and I want to make sure it stays there.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on April 01, 2013, 08:15:44 pm
I mean do votes still count after the vote-qt thing? I seem to recall votes getting reset.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 08:17:37 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 08:18:40 pm
What is the vote exactly, because I unvoted.  But am willing to consider revoting him...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:19:16 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

We'll just lynch him again?

I mean do votes still count after the vote-qt thing? I seem to recall votes getting reset.

I just copied the most recent vote count.  eHal said the vote clearance was uncleared.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Dsell on April 01, 2013, 08:19:42 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:20:19 pm
What is the vote exactly, because I unvoted.  But am willing to consider revoting him...

You unvoted, so you aren't voting.  See my updated count:

@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?

Sometimes people leave out the colon.  Mehhhhh.  Anyway, I'll be a non-lazy mod for you guys.  The vote clear is uncleared, since my brilliant idea was not so popular.


Vote Count 1.2

Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (7): Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky, Jorbles, mcmcsalot
Razzishi (1): Galzria
Robz888 (2): Archetype, Axxle

Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, Morgrim7, spiritbears

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT

Updated
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 08:20:35 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on April 01, 2013, 08:21:28 pm
Ready to vote
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:21:32 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.

At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?

To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway?  If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 08:21:40 pm
vote:morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:22:01 pm
Ready to vote

Arch?  spiritbears?  Double vote whammy hammer time.  Man, this feels like blitz, only backwards.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:22:16 pm
vote:morgrim7

There's your queue, Galz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on April 01, 2013, 08:22:19 pm
Vote: Morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:22:55 pm
...and now we wait for eHal...extended twilight people!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 08:23:08 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.

At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?

To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway?  If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.

Vote: Morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 08:23:26 pm
Oh, well I guess we didn't need my vote :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:30:54 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.

At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?

To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway?  If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.

Vote: Morgrim7


You are welcome to use your NK on him, if you are scum.  But do let us know, so we can lynch you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Archetype on April 01, 2013, 08:33:36 pm
I'm ready to vote for him.

But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?

Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.

At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?

To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway?  If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.

Vote: Morgrim7


You are welcome to use your NK on him, if you are scum.  But do let us know, so we can lynch you.
Will do.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Galzria on April 01, 2013, 08:34:42 pm
Oh, heads up - There may be a Cult.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 08:36:43 pm
Well crap. I still think he's town... and that this day was too short.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: ashersky on April 01, 2013, 08:37:16 pm
Oh, heads up - There may be a Cult.

Are you the leader?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: liopoil on April 01, 2013, 08:37:20 pm
If only we could do this in bankers!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: Axxle on April 01, 2013, 08:40:59 pm
If only we could do this in bankers RMM!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 1)
Post by: spiritbears on April 01, 2013, 08:42:25 pm
Well crap. I still think he's town... and that this day was too short.
Well I think he was lying about the vampire thing.  But not sure that makes him town.  I say he was a good a choice as any at this point, although it was pretty quick!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 01, 2013, 09:03:10 pm
With great pomp and circumstance, you march to Morgrim's Cottage.  You've had it with his tomfoolery!  Also, his penchant for red wine has got you all rather... nervous.  You break down the door to find him fast asleep in the middle of the day.  Suspicious!  Does this indicate nocturnal predilections?

No.  It doesn't.  It indicates that he lived on the other side of the world, you quickhammering jerks.

Morgrim has been lynched.  He was a Jester! 
Morgrim wins, but the game continues
.


Vote Count 1.3

Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (9): Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, spiritbears, Galzria
Robz888 (2): Archetype, Axxle

Not voting (3): Axxle2, jotheonah, Morgrim7

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

1 week from day start was: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
Lynch occurred on: April 1, 6:22pm MDT

Banked time is now: 2 weeks + 4 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes (not counting the week you get per game day)
We'll just round that up to 19 banked days.

Night 1 has begun.
All QTs are now unlocked.  Night actions are due in 2 days at 7PM MDT on Wednesday, April 3.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 01, 2013, 10:58:52 pm
There is something of a ruckus in the streets.  Heads peek out from windows trying to identify the source of the terrible sound.  What's happening?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 1)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 02, 2013, 10:28:43 am
Important Update!!

As it turns out, Morgrim was not the only one engaged in tomfoolery.  The town coroner had decided to play a tasteless practical joke in celebration of some ridiculous pagan festival of fools.  Morgrim is NOT a Jester.

Unfortunately, the coroner had gotten roaring drunk at the local tavern (presumably also in celebration of fools) and then wandered off into the woods with two packages of Nissin Demae Ramen, an 8-string guitar, and a can of bear musk.  He was never seen again.

Upon searching every corner of the morgue, the villagers find a disturbingly large collection of Arrested Development x Teletubbies x LotR crossover fan-fiction.  Handwritten in crayon.  Strangely, there aren't any bodies or medical notes of any kind.

Morgrim's body is missing.  His alignment and role are unknown!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 03, 2013, 11:05:41 pm
As morning dawns, the town of London wakes to find that tragedy has struck during the night. 

Axxle2 is dead.  He was a Town Conspiracy Theorist, well known around town for his theories on ovine cartography and the global conspiracy against putting this particular London on the map.  A little nuts, but not deserving of death.

Although the coroner is missing, other staff at the morgue do the routine review.  They notice two stab wounds in his neck. 

The town is abuzz at the news.  The council tries to drag many of the villagers into the harsh light of day but are largely unsuccessful.  Most villagers cite various computer games or social media as the reason.

Alas, the only solution is bureacracy and reckless violence.  More meetings, more burnings!

By the way, in case any of you were worried, the morgue staff assure you that Morgrim was definitely dead before his body disappeared.  Definitely.




Day 2 Start

Vote Count 2.1

Not voting (14): Archetype, ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, Jorbles, jotheonah, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

19 banked days + 7 new days = 26 days to deadline
hard deadline is Monday April 29, 9:00pm MDT

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 03, 2013, 11:07:52 pm
Aaaand we're back!

Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 03, 2013, 11:08:49 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 03, 2013, 11:13:02 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

eHal specifically said flavor isn't important in this game but I don't see a reason to believe him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 03, 2013, 11:13:25 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says.  It says that Morgrim is definitely dead!  ::)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 03, 2013, 11:15:05 pm
Seems like ashersky is spreading fear of vampires everywhere. Are YOU a Conspiracy Theorist?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 03, 2013, 11:16:03 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says.  It says that Morgrim is definitely dead!  ::)
It says he was dead before the body disappeared.  You know what else is dead besides corpses?  Vampires.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 03, 2013, 11:18:54 pm
Seems like ashersky is spreading fear of vampires everywhere. Are YOU a Conspiracy Theorist?

I think we have to pay attention to flavor.  I think the game's opening post pointed us to mafia, werewolves, vampires, zombies, aliens, and cheese.  So we should be on the lookout for any of those.

Only one NK is fortunate for us, so I wonder if we got some doctor/JK/roleblocking townies helping out.  It may or may not be worth letting folks know what you did, but I would definitely hold off for now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 03, 2013, 11:19:05 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says.  It says that Morgrim is definitely dead!  ::)
It says he was dead before the body disappeared.  You know what else is dead besides corpses?  Vampires.

Also zombies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 03, 2013, 11:19:27 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says.  It says that Morgrim is definitely dead!  ::)
It says he was dead before the body disappeared.  You know what else is dead besides corpses?  Vampires.
Or Zombies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 03, 2013, 11:19:39 pm
aaah ninja'd!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 03, 2013, 11:20:04 pm
aaah ninja'd!

Wait, there are ninjas too?  I didn't see that in the flavor.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 03, 2013, 11:21:53 pm
aaah ninja'd!

Wait, there are ninjas too?  I didn't see that in the flavor.
Also samurais!

Unvote.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 03, 2013, 11:30:03 pm
Yay day 2!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 03, 2013, 11:51:21 pm
Why?

Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.

This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says.  It says that Morgrim is definitely dead!  ::)
It says he was dead before the body disappeared.  You know what else is dead besides corpses?  Vampires.

Also zombies.
I said "besides corpses"  ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 04, 2013, 03:24:49 am
So...NK analysis gets us nowhere.  I just checked and Axxle2 never posted.  Axxle mentioned he may have been VLA.

I think the only person who could have any info about him on which to base an NK on is Axxle...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 04, 2013, 08:44:21 am
Whoever did nk axxle2, I thank you. I hate playing with axxle and axxle2.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 04, 2013, 08:51:37 am
Vote: mcmcsalot

Clearly voiced his displeasure at Axxle2's being in the game several times.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 04, 2013, 08:57:48 am
Vote: mcmcsalot

Clearly voiced his displeasure at Axxle2's being in the game several times.

This makes me scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 10:41:14 am
Yeahhhh I don't think scum would say they dislike someone a bunch and then kill them, wouldn't that just draw attention? It does appear we might be looking for a Vampire team though or someone with a set of BBQ tongs or something.

I tried to find out what Axxle2's role might have been and all I came up with was this, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Conspiracy) which while not helpful looks like a fun forum game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 10:44:53 am
Having Morgrim's lynch janitored/coronered is annoying as now we only really have the night kill to go on for forming reads. I know not many people interacted with Axxle2, did anyone say much about him? I did, but it was just getting someone to explain the Axxle/Axxle2 relationship.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 10:47:29 am
Okay, just looked. He never posted, so now we've gotten almost no info out of D1. Or at least no info that's public anyways. I guess we're a bit past RVS, but I don't see us building much in the way of great cases today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: liopoil on April 04, 2013, 10:49:16 am
I was going to do a post count, but then I decided, eh, it's a bastard game, why bother.  Robz888 only had 7 D1 posts, but that's probably because the day was so short, and he doesn't normally talk much D1 in bastard games does he?

Hmmm... is morgrim still in this game? one way to find out: Vote: Morgrim and see if it shows up in the votecount.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 11:44:19 am
Hmmm, actually joth looks like he had prepared that statement about mcmc making me think he might have been trying to frame him. Vote: jotheonah.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 04, 2013, 12:07:22 pm
Joth had a point, vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 04, 2013, 12:21:41 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Eevee on April 04, 2013, 12:22:38 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Eevee on April 04, 2013, 12:23:10 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 04, 2013, 12:24:25 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.

buuuuuuuurn
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Eevee on April 04, 2013, 12:24:36 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.
Okay I reread them, there is one good post and the rest is posting pictures of rocks, doing votecounts and fixing errors in vote counts. Seems about on par with the general activity of this town day 1.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 04, 2013, 12:27:15 pm
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.
I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.
Okay I reread them, there is one good post and the rest is posting pictures of rocks, doing votecounts and fixing errors in vote counts. Seems about on par with the general activity of this town day 1.
That rock is still very suspicious...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 04, 2013, 01:10:40 pm
Yeahhhh I don't think scum would say they dislike someone a bunch and then kill them, wouldn't that just draw attention?

Classic WIFOM. Wouldn't put it past him at all. I think Occam's Razor applies here.

Or I'm mounting the most inept frame ever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Razzishi on April 04, 2013, 01:11:54 pm
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 01:12:07 pm
Okay, just looked. He never posted, so now we've gotten almost no info out of D1. Or at least no info that's public anyways. I guess we're a bit past RVS, but I don't see us building much in the way of great cases today.
People did end the day ridiculously early yesterday.  Maybe to prevent info?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 01:13:55 pm
Yeahhhh I don't think scum would say they dislike someone a bunch and then kill them, wouldn't that just draw attention?

Classic WIFOM. Wouldn't put it past him at all. I think Occam's Razor applies here.

Or I'm mounting the most inept frame ever.
It's hardly a secret that mcmc hates Axxle2, and who can blame him?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 01:15:54 pm
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
It could be multiball, scum would be trying to go for other scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 01:51:41 pm
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.

I see it as a tactic of information denial. Janitoring Morgrim means we don't know his alignment and role, and then NKing a player who almost no one interacted with. We're basically where we started casting votes based on reads with little solid evidence.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Eevee on April 04, 2013, 02:04:26 pm
I really like Axxle2, dude is hilarious!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 04, 2013, 04:35:57 pm
Or maybe there wasn't any tactical reason for it at all and the killer just wanted to be nice and let everyone stay in the game (minus Axxle2)!  ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 04:37:58 pm
Or maybe there wasn't any tactical reason for it at all and the killer just wanted to be nice and let everyone stay in the game (minus Axxle2)!  ;)
Poor guy.  He's been crying off in the corner all day.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 04:41:41 pm
@Robz: You were on Archetype yesterday thinking he was an SK, what do you think now?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 04, 2013, 05:51:05 pm
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 04, 2013, 05:56:23 pm
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.

Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.

Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.

Scum without an NK?  What is that?  Who thinks of that?  Scum without an NK.  I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.

vote: Razzishi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 04, 2013, 06:07:14 pm
@Robz: You were on Archetype yesterday thinking he was an SK, what do you think now?

I'm still fairly suspicious of him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 07:40:40 pm
I went to read joth's posts. There are only 3 of them. He didn't even vote yesterday, and one of the others made me suspicious of him. I think he's a great candidate for lynching.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Razzishi on April 04, 2013, 07:48:28 pm
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.

Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.

Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.

Scum without an NK?  What is that?  Who thinks of that?  Scum without an NK.  I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.

vote: Razzishi

Are you playing a different game than I am?  I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal.  Recall that there were no rules posted at all.  We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played.  For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town.  How would there be a game, you ask?  Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left.  Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't.  Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left.  They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever.  I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups.  We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.

My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here.  I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Razzishi on April 04, 2013, 07:52:45 pm
Some typos near the end of that post that I didn't catch in previews because I tend to assume what I just wrote is perfect.  "our" for "out" in the last sentence and "tells" for "tell" at the end of the previous paragraph.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 04, 2013, 07:57:16 pm
Some typos near the end of that post that I didn't catch in previews because I tend to assume what I just wrote is perfect.  "our" for "out" in the last sentence and "tells" for "tell" at the end of the previous paragraph.

+1
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 04, 2013, 07:57:27 pm
I came up with was this, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Conspiracy) which while not helpful looks like a fun forum game.
I have never even heard of that game! We should try it sometime!
/sarcasm
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 08:00:11 pm
I came up with was this, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Conspiracy) which while not helpful looks like a fun forum game.
I have never even heard of that game! We should try it sometime!
/sarcasm

Are we already trying it?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 04, 2013, 08:02:05 pm
http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=7438.new#new
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 04, 2013, 08:04:19 pm
A one hour forum game? That's crazy.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 04, 2013, 08:22:30 pm
A one hour forum game? That's crazy.
It was. Maybe it's possible to do it again, but everyone would have to be active.

Anyways, back to the game!

Robz is seeming pretty scummy to me. SK hunting and all.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 04, 2013, 08:50:42 pm
Robz is seeming pretty scummy scary to me. SK arch hunting and all.
FTFY
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 04, 2013, 08:52:59 pm
Robz is seeming pretty scummy scary to me. SK arch hunting and all.
FTFY

What is it with Arch hunting anyway?  Dude can't survive in any games.  Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 04, 2013, 08:57:23 pm
Robz is seeming pretty scummy scary to me. SK arch hunting and all.
FTFY

What is it with Arch hunting anyway?  Dude can't survive in any games.  Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?

That one blitz game you moderated...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 04, 2013, 08:58:39 pm
Robz is seeming pretty scummy scary to me. SK arch hunting and all.
FTFY

What is it with Arch hunting anyway?  Dude can't survive in any games.  Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?

That one blitz game you moderated...

Woops just double-checked and it was actually Insom. Sorry!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Archetype on April 04, 2013, 09:44:38 pm
Robz is seeming pretty scummy scary to me. SK arch hunting and all.
FTFY

What is it with Arch hunting anyway?  Dude can't survive in any games.  Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?

That one blitz game you moderated...

Woops just double-checked and it was actually Insom. Sorry!

:-X Not my finest hour.

I'm not too upset about not living to the end all the time though. I try really hard to be town when I'm town (and of course, when scum too) but it just comes off scummy to everyone else, sadly.

/sob story

I'll actually Vote: Robz. It's funny how often scum really goes after those easy lynches.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 04, 2013, 09:51:34 pm
Tbh I don't remember what's going on in this game, day one was short and not terribly substantive, I am just gonna have to reread at some point. I'm not sure that scumrobz really "goes for the easy lynches" though. Maybe a long time ago but he is pretty sophisticated as scum.

So obviously I'm not gonna discount the chance of him being scum here, but I do not think that looking for easy scum play is the way to find scumrobz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 04, 2013, 09:56:30 pm
Vote Count 2.2

jotheonah (1): Jorbles
mcmcsalot (2): jotheonah, mail-mi
Razzishi (1): ashersky
Robz888 (1): Archetype

Not voting (9): Axxle, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, liopoil, mcmcsalot, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Monday April 29, 9:00pm MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 05, 2013, 06:01:53 am
It feels like we just have so little to go on!  I'm not sure about a lynchvote on anyone....and I'm pretty sure I'm not buying eHal tryin to convince us Morg is really dead!  I mean come SHOW US The BODY!  I kind of like the idea of re-lynching Morg.  Beyond that, MC's perhaps overemthusiam at A2's death is the only thing that really stands out as "perhaps" at all scummy.  So for now my FoS is slightly on Mc.  But I sure wish we had more A2 interaction to figure out why someone would want him dead....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: liopoil on April 05, 2013, 08:54:05 am
I voted morgrim and it didn't show up in the votecount. so we can't lynch morgrim because we can't vote for him! he's either dead or vote-proof or something. I suggest we forget about morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 05, 2013, 11:07:40 am
I went to read joth's posts. There are only 3 of them. He didn't even vote yesterday, and one of the others made me suspicious of him. I think he's a great candidate for lynching.

I've been really busy IRL. I shouldn't even be playing. But you know I'm not a lurker scum. Never have been. When I'm scum I darn well play.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 05, 2013, 11:43:51 am
I voted morgrim and it didn't show up in the votecount. so we can't lynch morgrim because we can't vote for him! he's either dead or vote-proof or something. I suggest we forget about morgrim.
Vote: liopoil
I'm pretty sure you're just posting just to post.  It looks like you're doing things but not really (going after a dead person).  It might be a bastard game but it's not that bastard.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 05, 2013, 11:47:03 am
I agree with spiritbears, were pretty much back in D1. The only real slight interaction is mcmc "cheering" that he was dead (if you can even call it that). So yeah I suggest we go to lynching lurkers.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: liopoil on April 05, 2013, 11:48:28 am
That post was in response to spiritbears suggesting we lynch morgrim again. Do you have a better topic for us to discuss? we reallly have nothing to go off of.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 05, 2013, 11:52:59 am
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 05, 2013, 12:02:05 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

Wouldn't that just be, like, something anybody would do? "Who should we kill?" "I don't know, there's two Axxles, let's kill him." "Sure." You know?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: liopoil on April 05, 2013, 12:11:43 pm
yeah pretty much... scum didn't have too much to go off of either...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 12:53:11 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 05, 2013, 01:02:54 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

Wouldn't that just be, like, something anybody would do? "Who should we kill?" "I don't know, there's two Axxles, let's kill him." "Sure." You know?
I think some other people think I make one half purposefully useless. Other people would also try to kill some of the stronger players (I'm not very good at getting people to see my line of thinking)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 05, 2013, 01:31:06 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Pre-planned?  By whom?  The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason...  Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason?  If so, what reason?  I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played.  I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 05, 2013, 01:33:16 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

Wouldn't that just be, like, something anybody would do? "Who should we kill?" "I don't know, there's two Axxles, let's kill him." "Sure." You know?
That just doesn't sound like scum reasoning....unless scum is playing nice D1
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 01:37:37 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Pre-planned?  By whom?  The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason...  Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason?  If so, what reason?  I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played.  I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either. 

Specifically I think jotheonah did the framing. It's not a meta reason, but very much in this game. mcmc spoke ill of Axxle2 (and is the only one who did). Axxle2 dies. joth immediately comes out to say that he thinks mcmc killed Axxle2 because he didn't want him in the game and votes for him. A scummy player (joth) going after someone (mcmc) for a flimsy reason. I'm not 100% sure that joth is on the scum team that executed the kill, but I think it's likely.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Galzria on April 05, 2013, 01:42:41 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 05, 2013, 01:44:00 pm
Unvote
Missed that part.  I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer.  He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.

Vote: mcmc

I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Pre-planned?  By whom?  The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason...  Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason?  If so, what reason?  I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played.  I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either. 

Specifically I think jotheonah did the framing. It's not a meta reason, but very much in this game. mcmc spoke ill of Axxle2 (and is the only one who did). Axxle2 dies. joth immediately comes out to say that he thinks mcmc killed Axxle2 because he didn't want him in the game and votes for him. A scummy player (joth) going after someone (mcmc) for a flimsy reason. I'm not 100% sure that joth is on the scum team that executed the kill, but I think it's likely.

That sounds plausible. Vote: Jtotheonah
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Eevee on April 05, 2013, 03:44:43 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
Oh how I missed you Kevin.

Vote: Jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 05, 2013, 03:50:17 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
Scum teams?!  Not one scum, not teo scum players, but more than one GROUP of scum?  Woah. If that's true eHal is just wicked!  Or is that a scenario that comes up in these Bm games regularly? 
Maybe jorbles is just speculating, but that staement was part of reasoning for his Joth vote.  Also-  jorbles, that seems like very strained logic as to Joth. Maybe more flimsy than the case against MC even.  Care to expand on this "scum team" theory?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 05, 2013, 04:01:20 pm
dude, that happens in non-bastard games. It's called multiball. Some people hate it, increasingly, because it can lead to weird-ass end games.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 05, 2013, 04:02:40 pm
Multiple scum teams is certainly possible, though we have no evidence for it at present, and Jorbles did frame his statement as if he knew for sure there was. Like, if he is a Werewolf or something, he would know or at least assume mafia.

That's more than good enough for me. Vote: Jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 05, 2013, 04:03:36 pm
weird ass-end games

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/hyphen.jpg) (http://xkcd.com/37/)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 05, 2013, 04:04:07 pm
I agree with basically all of the above (except to echo Jo that multiple scum teams is not unusual), but am waiting to hear from Jorbles about it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 05, 2013, 04:17:53 pm
at the risk of accruing accusations of OMGUS, Vote: Jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 05, 2013, 04:24:19 pm
Multiple scum teams is certainly possible, though we have no evidence for it at present, and Jorbles did frame his statement as if he knew for sure there was. Like, if he is a Werewolf or something, he would know or at least assume mafia.

That's more than good enough for me. Vote: Jorbles
Well. I would like to hear from a jorbles before I put my vote down on paper....but this has made put my finger of suspicion on the button.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 05:07:18 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Robz888 on April 05, 2013, 05:09:24 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.

Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 05, 2013, 05:13:03 pm
Can we get a vote count?

I am very near voting Jorbles, this certainly appears to be an elusive slip, but I don't want to end the day yet.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 05:14:19 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.

Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?

That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.

(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 05, 2013, 05:30:14 pm
Vote Count 2.3

Jorbles (4): Galzria, Eevee, Robz888, jotheonah
jotheonah (2): Jorbles, mail-mi
mcmcsalot (1): Axxle
Razzishi (1): ashersky
Robz888 (1): Archetype

Not voting (5): Dsell, liopoil, mcmcsalot, Razzishi, spiritbears

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Monday April 29, 9:00pm MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 05, 2013, 05:32:52 pm
Don't reveal my double voting powers!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 05, 2013, 05:38:40 pm
Don't reveal my double voting powers!

Huh... what mistake did I make?  Did I drop someone's name somewhere?  The numbers add up, but obviously there is a mistake...

Edit: Fixed, I think.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 05, 2013, 06:09:32 pm
Vote: Jorbles

We cannot ignore that statement.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2013, 06:10:01 pm
vote: Jorbles

A new Frisk!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 05, 2013, 06:18:52 pm
So I say we go through and give reads on everyone, even if its weak, try and put everyone in a category.

Town:
Joth(playing his usual game but not forced)
Jorbles(lots of quality posts trying to make sense of things)
Liopoil(has some good opinions, I actually find you town, this may be bad, I'm always wrong on you)
Robz888(seems to be laying low, what I expect from town town robz)
Ashersky, axxle, eevee(all seem somewhat town to me)

Scum:
Spiritbears(seems less aggressive than I expect, could be due to growth in play style)
Rashisi(seems to have more setup knowledge for speculation)
Arch(similar reason to rashisi, felt like he was covering when caught)
Glazria(has had way less impact than I expect from town galz)

Null: mail-mi, dsell actually just didn't have time to reread them and I wat this out because I started it forever ago and lots of stuff has happened.

For reference, 31 posts since I started this.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 05, 2013, 06:26:20 pm
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.

Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.

Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.

Scum without an NK?  What is that?  Who thinks of that?  Scum without an NK.  I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.

vote: Razzishi

Are you playing a different game than I am?  I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal.  Recall that there were no rules posted at all.  We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played.  For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town.  How would there be a game, you ask?  Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left.  Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't.  Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left.  They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever.  I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups.  We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.

My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here.  I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.

Just got to read razzishi's response and I'm not sure jorbles post reaks of scummier setup knowledge than this.

I mean I guess jorbles looks like he's more likely to be on a scum team from the way he posted, but razzishi looks like he's scum with no nk. Also if there was multiple scum teams why would there only be one nk.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 05, 2013, 06:27:09 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.

Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?

That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.

(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)

That's not what you said, please explain.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 05, 2013, 06:34:28 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.

Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?

That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.

(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)

That's not what you said, please explain.

No that is what he said.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 05, 2013, 06:35:47 pm
Unvote missed the last sentence of Jorbles' post. Yeah that is scummy. But I'm not voting for him yet cuz he'd be at L-1. We don't want a quick hammer xeiron-style.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 06:42:31 pm
Vote: Jorbles

"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."

A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.

I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.

Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?

That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.

(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)

That's not what you said, please explain.

I'm not sure what more I can say. I'm not sure that joth is scum, but I think it's more likely that he's scum than anyone else.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Jorbles on April 05, 2013, 06:45:12 pm
Should I be claiming? I really don't want to.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2013, 07:47:55 pm
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.

Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.

Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.

I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2.  He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him?  No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory.  If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK.  Remember, this is a Bastard game.  There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.

Scum without an NK?  What is that?  Who thinks of that?  Scum without an NK.  I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.

vote: Razzishi

Are you playing a different game than I am?  I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal.  Recall that there were no rules posted at all.  We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played.  For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town.  How would there be a game, you ask?  Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left.  Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't.  Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left.  They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever.  I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups.  We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.

My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here.  I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.

Just got to read razzishi's response and I'm not sure jorbles post reaks of scummier setup knowledge than this.

I mean I guess jorbles looks like he's more likely to be on a scum team from the way he posted, but razzishi looks like he's scum with no nk. Also if there was multiple scum teams why would there only be one nk.

I do think your point on Razz is right (and it was my point, too) that he is some sort of scum that can't kill.  I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2013, 07:49:18 pm
Jorbs; up to you if you should claim--it's BM, so I'm not as worried about it. 

I'm trying to think of what role you would claim--we've modded together a lot, I've modded you, you've modded me...meta wise, you definitely always look town, but are a strong scum player.  We were scum in LOLCats.  Hmmmm...

I think you'd ask for a strong scum role, I think.  I don't think you've ever had one.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Razzishi on April 05, 2013, 09:23:25 pm
  I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.

Maybe, just maybe, I read the other Bastard games that have been run here.  And it's also within the realm of possibility that one of the previous Bastard games had a scum faction that didn't have a night-kill.

But no, obviously I must be a scum faction with a night kill, because it's such a new and truly original idea that no one else, especially not jtotheonah, would ever have used it before.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Dsell on April 05, 2013, 09:31:04 pm
  I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.

Maybe, just maybe, I read the other Bastard games that have been run here.  And it's also within the realm of possibility that one of the previous Bastard games had a scum faction that didn't have a night-kill.

But no, obviously I must be a scum faction with a night kill, because it's such a new and truly original idea that no one else, especially not jtotheonah, would ever have used it before.

This is super defensive and scummy to me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2013, 10:02:06 pm
  I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.

Maybe, just maybe, I read the other Bastard games that have been run here.  And it's also within the realm of possibility that one of the previous Bastard games had a scum faction that didn't have a night-kill.

But no, obviously I must be a scum faction with a night kill, because it's such a new and truly original idea that no one else, especially not jtotheonah, would ever have used it before.

I haven't read BM1-4, so I guess there's that.  But still, if its been used before in BM on f.ds, that makes me think it is even less likely to be the case here.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Razzishi on April 05, 2013, 10:10:21 pm
I haven't read BM1-4, so I guess there's that.  But still, if its been used before in BM on f.ds, that makes me think it is even less likely to be the case here.

So I am clearly not scum without a night-kill, because there likely aren't any.  Just a few posts ago I must have been scum without a night kill to even suggest the possibility.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: jotheonah on April 05, 2013, 10:13:06 pm
it was kind of original when I did it!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: ashersky on April 05, 2013, 10:18:12 pm
I haven't read BM1-4, so I guess there's that.  But still, if its been used before in BM on f.ds, that makes me think it is even less likely to be the case here.

So I am clearly not scum without a night-kill, because there likely aren't any.  Just a few posts ago I must have been scum without a night kill to even suggest the possibility.

Good point.

I don't see eHal copying previous mafia games in this one.  I also don't see anyone requesting to be scum without an NK.  So I think that may lean MORE toward you NOT being scum without an NK.

BUT, the fact that you raised it like that is suspicious.  But then again, I guess if you read it in Jo's game, you could have thought of it from there.

Are you scum with an NK that was blocked?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 06, 2013, 12:19:26 am
So I say we go through and give reads on everyone, even if its weak, try and put everyone in a category.

Town:
Dsell(looks to be playing smart with his votes, thought behind it, not jumping on anything)
Joth(playing his usual game but not forced)
Liopoil(has some good opinions, I actually find you town, this may be bad, I'm always wrong on you)
Robz888(seems to be laying low, what I expect from town town robz)
Ashersky, axxle, eevee(all seem somewhat town to me)

Scum:
Mail-mi(woah just ran through his posts, everyone is a vote...and with no reasoning of his own)
Razzishi(seems to have more setup knowledge for speculation)
Arch(similar reason to razzishi, felt like he was covering when caught)
Spiritbears(seems less aggressive than I expect, could be due to growth in play style)
Glazria(has had way less impact than I expect from town galz)
Jorbles(lots of quality posts trying to make sense of things/similar setup info as arch and razzishi)


So here is my list, stronger reads are closer to the top(top town read dsell, top scum read mail-mi)

Also I wanna say my scum reads are stronger than my town reads which is somewhat unusual for me. I suggest everyone do this, I have requoted and edited my old post. I really think catching scum is easiest when they have to say how they feel about there partners.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: spiritbears on April 06, 2013, 01:12:43 am
MC-   I'm not sure it would be wise to draw any conclusions from that "game that shall not be named" regarding my play style....

And not really the response I really expected from jorbles.

vote:jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 06, 2013, 02:34:21 am
vote: jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 06, 2013, 02:39:14 am
Vote: jorbles
For overkill!

That's pretty scummy of spiritbears to run up jorbles knowing morgs still in the game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 06, 2013, 02:39:38 am
ha haaaaaa

suckers
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 06, 2013, 02:40:38 am
Gah wrong game, and Gah why can morg post.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 06, 2013, 02:41:45 am
Gah wrong game, and Gah why can morg post.
heeheehee
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 2)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 06, 2013, 03:19:29 am
Accusations fly in the town meeting, but it is not long before most of the fingers are pointed at Jorbles. 

"He has a funny smell about him!" 
"His teeth are unusually white!"
"He's a great listener!"
"He sneezed at me this one time!" 

Surely one of those things is a good reason to end a life.

The town ties up the protesting fellow.  It's close, they can feel it -- just one more vote would be the proverbial nail in the coffin.

Then the meeting room darkens.  The air grows heavy, grows red.  A dull echo fills the space with aching.  The crimson smoke resolves itself into a ghostly figure... Morgrim?!

The town recoils in horror.  Had he come back from the dead to seize vengeance?  The figure raises an ethereal hand high into the air.  It towers above the paralyzed crowd, reaching through the roof into the very heavens.

And then the hand descends.  Swiftly.  And in that rush, vapor rushes into Morgrim's curled fingers of smoke.  The vapor takes the form of... a hammer.

Jorbles has been lynched!

Morgrim's laughter rings through the stunned silence, but it is no longer a supernatural hum in the air.  The haze settles -- Morgrim is standing where Jorbles had been, now as corporeal as any regular schmuck.  And he looks somewhat more jorblish than before.

Morgrim has risen!

There is an awkward silence as Morgrim's laughter becomes a chuckle, then nothing at all.  Morgrim sighs.  "I'm gonna go home, eat a gallon of ice cream and have a nice hot bubble bath.  Maybe that'll cheer me up..."

Nobody tries to stop Morgrim.  After he has gone, the villagers quickly decide to adjourn for the day.  They all literally run home.

But what of Jorbles?

He stands up and coughs.  "Ugh, I need a beer."
Jorbles dusts himself off and goes home. 

The lynch is unsuccessful.



Vote Count 2.3

Jorbles (8): Galzria, Eevee, Robz888, jotheonah, Dsell, ashersky, spiritbears, Morgrim7
jotheonah (1): Jorbles
mcmcsalot (1): Axxle
Robz888 (1): Archetype

Not voting (4): liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Razzishi

With 14 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Lynch occurred on: April 6, 12:34am MDT
deadline was: Monday April 29, 9:00pm MDT
time banked: 24 days (rounded up)

Night 2 has begun.
All QTs are now unlocked.  Night actions are due in 4 days by 1AM MDT on Wednesday, April 10 (but preferably earlier if you guys can swing it).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 02:10:30 am
The town of London is restless this morning.  A cliched sense of foreboding fills the air.  It just feels like the dead will not stay dead, but nobody they've lynched has proven to be a monster so far.  Granted, Morgrim's return is somewhat frightening, but that is something to discuss in today's town meeting.  But the dawn brings good news for the side of good!

Jorbles is dead.  He was a Werewolf Lover.  There are two large wounds where he has been pierced through the chest, presumably by at least one silver item.  Having died on a night with a full moon, his features are still significantly lupine.  It is not clear how anyone figured out that the man was a lover.  There is probably some sort of genetic test.

At the town meeting, a quick attendance check confirms that nobody else died during the night.

There is certainly a great deal to discuss today.  So let's get to it, London.

Today's Theme Song is You Give Love A Bad Name (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY64UWKfPJg) by Jon Bon Jovi.

Did you guys know that Jon Bon Jovi has another song called "Shot Through The Heart"?  I didn't.


Day 3 Start

Vote Count 3.1


Not voting (14): Archetype, ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, jotheonah, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

24 banked days + 7 new days = 31 days to deadline
hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT

Thread unlocked!

For your convenience, the first post of the thread has been updated with links to each day start post.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 02:55:25 am
Wierd...doesn't a Lover usually have someone else who also dies when they die?  I had that role in my first BM game ever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 02:56:58 am
And hey, the scum slip was real!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 03:00:25 am
So further set-up speculation...

Given one kill per night, there's some great blocking/jailing/doctoring going on.  Jorbles didn't kill himself, so we need to assume there is in fact a team other than Jorbles's.

And what the heck with Morgrim?  I still lean scum there, what with his janitored lynch, then smoke hammer.  I don't know.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 04:12:13 am
By the way guys, I'm going to attempt to be semi-V/LA until Wednesday.  I might not succeed, but that is the goal.  So try not to quicklynch again. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 05:10:45 am
Im back guys! Did ya miss me?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:04:33 am
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 10:18:56 am
try not to quicklynch again. :P
Let's listen to him!
Im back guys! Did ya miss me?
Nope!  ;D. Oh, and morgrim, your claim didn't make any sense. Please fullclaim, everything. chances are we just lynch you again though...
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?
Of course we can lynch!! I am confused by this post.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 10:40:32 am
My claim made no sense? How?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 10:55:32 am
well... it didn't say anything about dying for a day or auto-hammering... you said you would come back as scum if you self-hammered, but you didn't self-hammer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 11:02:06 am
Ah. When my PM told me I took someones powers when I hammered, I didnt realize that I didnt have to be alive to do it. The only way to get back in the game was to hammer, so we does.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 08, 2013, 11:14:04 am
Clearly there's a ton of info buried in the theme song. Here you guys, you're welcome.

Lyrics:

Quote
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
Darlin'
You give love a bad name

shot through the heart = suggests a vig
you give love a bad name = suggests lovers are scum, which is confirmed

Quote
An angel's smile is what you sell
You promise me heaven, then put me through Hell
Chains of love got a hold on me
When passions a prison, you can't break free

Definitely a suggestion of a jailer in the game.
Angel's smile = guardian angel = some kind of protection role, BUT "you promise me heaven but put me through hell" -- whoever's protected actually dies/becomes scum


Quote
Oh, you're a loaded gun, yeah
Oh, there's nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done

"No one can save me" -- someone has a strongman kill that's immune to protection
"Nowhere to run" suggests even a commuter can't escape it.

Quote
Paint your smile on your lips
Blood red nails on your fingertips
A school boy's dream, you act so shy
Your very first kiss was your first kiss goodbye

Painted smile -- this is some kind of investigative immunity. Cops, don't trust town results.
I think blood red nails suggests bloody claws suggests werewolves -- again, confirmed.
Tied to "schoolboy's dream" which is almost certainly a combination innocent child/dreaming god. Interesting.
Really not sure what to make of the last line, it could be a warning to the other lover that their lover is scum.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 11:16:15 am
Really? Thats quite interesting.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 08, 2013, 11:22:53 am
This is classic eHalc. He picked that theme song for a reason.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 11:25:10 am
Ill keep that in mind. In fact, vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 11:56:59 am
unvote what am i thinking
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 12:34:34 pm
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?
Like every time we try to lynch it backfires?  But what else is there if no lynch?  Wait for the werewolves to eat us all??
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 08, 2013, 01:53:31 pm
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?
Like every time we try to lynch it backfires?  But what else is there if no lynch?  Wait for the werewolves to eat us all??

Maybe if we all vote "No Lynch" all the scum will die!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 02:08:38 pm
Vote: Morgrim

Does anyone have a reason not to?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 02:09:49 pm
I don't. maybe morgrim does. Morgrim, why shouldn't we just lynch you again?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 03:08:21 pm
Vote: Morgrim

Does anyone have a reason not to?
Why not.  If at first you don't succeed....
vote:morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 05:28:41 pm
Good luck lynching me.
My reason is that im town, and that we should try to get scum. That being said, I really dont see any reason you guys wont lynch me, so vote: morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 05:30:20 pm
If you're town then why did you say you would come back as scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 05:31:43 pm
Yay Day 3!

I don't see why not. votr: morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 05:33:08 pm
When I self hammer I come back as scum. When I hammer someone besides myself, even if Im not alive, I come back with their power. In this case, an unlynchable lover.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 05:34:56 pm
When I self hammer I come back as scum. When I hammer someone besides myself, even if Im not alive, I come back with their power. In this case, an unlynchable lover.

But Jorbles was scum. Unvote since you can't be lynched. If that was a vig who killed Jorbles, kill morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 05:36:31 pm
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 05:41:04 pm
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
O
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 05:46:18 pm
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.

This makes sense, also this can be figured out quite easily and I'm going to claim to explain some things.
I am the lover, morgrim is now my lover. I did know that jorbles was unlynchable but did not know that he was scum. I was told that the person I was in love with was what some people would call a monster but that he was really harmless. I am going to assume it meant he had no nk. This is why I was worried about razzishi when he brought up the idea of scum with no nk.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 05:52:38 pm
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.

This makes sense, also this can be figured out quite easily and I'm going to claim to explain some things.
I am the lover, morgrim is now my lover. I did know that jorbles was unlynchable but did not know that he was scum. I was told that the person I was in love with was what some people would call a monster but that he was really harmless. I am going to assume it meant he had no nk. This is why I was worried about razzishi when he brought up the idea of scum with no nk.
So since morgrim took Korbles' role, you don't have to die because you have a lover again?

And town points to joth for figuring with the song.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 05:55:06 pm
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.

This makes sense, also this can be figured out quite easily and I'm going to claim to explain some things.
I am the lover, morgrim is now my lover. I did know that jorbles was unlynchable but did not know that he was scum. I was told that the person I was in love with was what some people would call a monster but that he was really harmless. I am going to assume it meant he had no nk. This is why I was worried about razzishi when he brought up the idea of scum with no nk.
So since morgrim took Korbles' role, you don't have to die because you have a lover again?

And town points to joth for figuring with the song.

yup, he is now my lover.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 05:58:41 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 06:00:12 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 06:01:13 pm
  • Public flips.  When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 06:01:37 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
And.....???
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 06:02:47 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 06:14:56 pm
  • Public flips.  When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.

Because that's happened each time.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 06:27:21 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 06:30:00 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 06:32:09 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

At least, that's how I interpreted that.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 06:42:31 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....

umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 06:54:01 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....

umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...

Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 06:56:44 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....

umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...

Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.
Scum lovers wouldn't happen, it's a bastardly role... oh wait.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 06:59:03 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....

umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...

Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.

This makes some sense.

As mcmc mentioned his worry that Raz knew about scum with no kills, it would make some sense that mcmc is in fact a scum with no kill, given he's an admitted lover with scum.  So the sensible answer is that mcmc is a WW Lover, too, I think.

Or, even more sensible, if Jorbles was the unlynchable one, that's really strong for scum, so unlynchable scum with no kill makes sense, right?  So mcmc is lynchable scum with a kill.

Best guess: we lynch mcmc and kill two scum with one stone.

vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 06:59:42 pm
Scum:
Jorbles(lots of quality posts trying to make sense of things/similar setup info as arch and razzishi)
Vote: Mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:00:54 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 07:02:31 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip.  It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 07:02:50 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip.  It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.
*town despite the flip.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:05:29 pm
I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip.  It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.

Well, I was waiting to see if Galz would make any janitor (and what's the role that changes the flip?) references, but I guess not.

Have we fleshed out the possibilities?

I thought based on flavor we could be looking at a number of possible scum "races," and we have confirmed WW in the game + someone/thing else (vig? mafia? vampires? -- there were two holes in the corpse again, right?) that killed Jorbles.



An aside on the mcmc lynch: even if mcmc is town (which would be unfortunately), we still kill scum, since Morgrim should die too, and I think it is highly unlikely he didn't inherit alignment.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 07:06:52 pm
Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:07:25 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:08:43 pm
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:10:49 pm
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:11:35 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.

Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.

You just added great reasons for us to keep voting you, man.

A scum team that has one bulletproof and one lynchproof is pretty cool modding.  You have to lynch the bulletproof one or shoot the lynchproof one to kill off the team; otherwise, you are continually safe.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:12:31 pm
If jorbles and I were ww together first off why would we invite anyone to the neighborhood, we would just use it for day and night scum chat. Also I don't think lovers is enough of a negative utility enough to merit lynch proof and bullet proof scum team
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 07:12:44 pm
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....

umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...

Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.

This makes some sense.

As mcmc mentioned his worry that Raz knew about scum with no kills, it would make some sense that mcmc is in fact a scum with no kill, given he's an admitted lover with scum.  So the sensible answer is that mcmc is a WW Lover, too, I think.

Or, even more sensible, if Jorbles was the unlynchable one, that's really strong for scum, so unlynchable scum with no kill makes sense, right?  So mcmc is lynchable scum with a kill.

Best guess: we lynch mcmc and kill two scum with one stone.

vote: mcmc
I agree this makes more sense than just blind hope that Morg will actually die this time. unvote; vote:mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:12:48 pm
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.

And what does Robz have to say?

Also, as you well know, Neighbors are different from Masons, and there is no confirmation of alignment there.

AND, cults like to claim neighborizer, right?

AND, scum likes to claim mason/neighbors to cover for their QT.

Man, you just built a killer case on yourself...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:13:34 pm
If jorbles and I were ww together first off why would we invite anyone to the neighborhood, we would just use it for day and night scum chat. Also I don't think lovers is enough of a negative utility enough to merit lynch proof and bullet proof scum team

Are you a WW culty neighbor thing that can "recruit" by biting people and changing them into WW with you?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:13:56 pm
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.

And what does Robz have to say?

Also, as you well know, Neighbors are different from Masons, and there is no confirmation of alignment there.

AND, cults like to claim neighborizer, right?

AND, scum likes to claim mason/neighbors to cover for their QT.

Man, you just built a killer case on yourself...

wow man what alignment was I last time I did that, bulletproof roleblocker oh yea town whatever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:14:16 pm
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.

The perfect match! Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:16:02 pm
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.

And what does Robz have to say?

Also, as you well know, Neighbors are different from Masons, and there is no confirmation of alignment there.

AND, cults like to claim neighborizer, right?

AND, scum likes to claim mason/neighbors to cover for their QT.

Man, you just built a killer case on yourself...

wow man what alignment was I last time I did that, bulletproof roleblocker oh yea town whatever.

I mean, you could try to defend yourself, give good reasons for what you've claimed, counter the possibilities I just laid out for you...

Or you can just give up and say "wow man what alignment was I last time I did that, bulletproof roleblocker oh yea town whatever."
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:17:02 pm
Ill keep that in mind. In fact, vote: mcmc

unvote what am i thinking

Morg confirming his connection with Mcmc here.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 07:17:10 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
Actually you self-claimed lover.  Not exactly hard evidence. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:18:35 pm
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.

I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:19:00 pm
Ill keep that in mind. In fact, vote: mcmc

unvote what am i thinking

Morg confirming his connection with Mcmc here.

His love connection, you mean.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:19:59 pm
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.

I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
It's viable-you just make them lovers!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:20:46 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.

No, the bolded part DOES NOT make sense.

Town's win condition and scum's win condition are opposite.  How could either of you win?  If one of you dies, the other dies.  So for one to win, you both have to die.  Therefore, the best way to help town if you are the town half of the lovers is to immediately claim and get yourself lynched to kill the scum partner.

The scum half can wait until lylo and end game you, but that's a tougher thing to do.

Lovers with opposite win conditions makes zero sense, even in a bastard game.  I mean, sure, you could build it into a bastard game to be a bastardly mod, but that makes it much less fun for some folks in the game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:22:22 pm
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.

I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.

Now you claim day-chat?  But you send in your "neighborizing" at night?  So you have full-on chat at all times?  Okay...

You are either scum together, or some ridiculous cult thing, or scum together.

Where's Robz to confirm or deny being neighborized?

Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.

I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
It's viable-you just make them lovers!

Exactly.  It's a strong combination that actually can only be beat through the lovers connection.  It's pretty awesome by eHal, actually.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 07:23:10 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.

No, the bolded part DOES NOT make sense.

Town's win condition and scum's win condition are opposite.  How could either of you win?  If one of you dies, the other dies.  So for one to win, you both have to die.  Therefore, the best way to help town if you are the town half of the lovers is to immediately claim and get yourself lynched to kill the scum partner.

The scum half can wait until lylo and end game you, but that's a tougher thing to do.

Lovers with opposite win conditions makes zero sense, even in a bastard game.  I mean, sure, you could build it into a bastard game to be a bastardly mod, but that makes it much less fun for some folks in the game.
I've seen games like this with scum/town lovers, it's rare but not bastardly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:24:26 pm
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.

No, the bolded part DOES NOT make sense.

Town's win condition and scum's win condition are opposite.  How could either of you win?  If one of you dies, the other dies.  So for one to win, you both have to die.  Therefore, the best way to help town if you are the town half of the lovers is to immediately claim and get yourself lynched to kill the scum partner.

The scum half can wait until lylo and end game you, but that's a tougher thing to do.

Lovers with opposite win conditions makes zero sense, even in a bastard game.  I mean, sure, you could build it into a bastard game to be a bastardly mod, but that makes it much less fun for some folks in the game.

Actually, it does. In rl, when the Cupid makes town/scum lovers, their goal becomes "Be the last to players alive." Well, at least in the version I play. So if they are town/scum, they are still against our win condition.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 07:25:48 pm
  • Public flips.  When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.

Because that's happened each time.

When people have actually died, it has happened.  Morgrim didn't die.  All we had was flavor to indicate that he was dead, and we were told that "flavor doesn't matter" (even though it does in some sense, just not in the rules sense) so when we were eventually sorta not told Morgrim's alignment and role I pretty much assumed that he wasn't actually dead (flavor hinted he wasn't dead too).  Given that we have a claim that explains the no lynch outside of Morgrim, it seems to me that Morgrim was just...in limbo?...until he hammered someone.  He almost certainly couldn't post until he hammered.

Still looking at everything, not really sold on mcmc right of this moment but that could change once I work everything out.

While you were typing 10 new replies have been posted.
While you were typing (actually reading the 10 new replies) 3 new replies have been posted.

Sheesh.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:26:13 pm
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.

I claimed day chat in my original post please read. This is why I am angry I'm about to leave for dinner trying to full claim and explain, you skim call me scummy I explain more you call me scummier. Ill be back to post after dinner 45 min.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 07:28:49 pm
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.

I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.

You forgot that you don't have a NK, just a neighborizer recruit.  What was your stated win condition?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 07:36:20 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.

Well, I've debated this claim since D1, but I think maybe its safe:

I'm a Cult Doctor. That is, I'm not "A member of a Cult that Doctors", rather "A Doctor that prevents Conversion".
It seems silly that a Cult could kill though, so I think claiming that is "safer" than a regular Doctor claim.
eHal has hinted that my role does more than that, but the only concrete evidence that I have is from last night when I attempted to "Doctor" Jorbles. As with the first night (when I "Doctored" Joth), I received no confirmation from eHal after submitting my target. Unlike the first night however, I did receive a PM when the day started that contained a link to the Bon Jovi song "It's my life", linked to the set of lyrics:

"It's my life, it's now or never,
And I aint gonna live forever
I just want to live while I'm alive"

The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

As for my role, I've no idea. I said at the end of D1 that I had inside information that there might be a cult - and that's why. But eHal could very easily be screwing with me, and my role may be completely random. I've no idea. I've seen no evidence of a cult however.

That said... If you're in one, feel free to speak up!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:38:31 pm
Galz, what about the theory that mcmc's "neighborizing" could be a cult recruiting instead?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 07:44:52 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.

Well, I've debated this claim since D1, but I think maybe its safe:

I'm a Cult Doctor. That is, I'm not "A member of a Cult that Doctors", rather "A Doctor that prevents Conversion".
It seems silly that a Cult could kill though, so I think claiming that is "safer" than a regular Doctor claim.
eHal has hinted that my role does more than that, but the only concrete evidence that I have is from last night when I attempted to "Doctor" Jorbles. As with the first night (when I "Doctored" Joth), I received no confirmation from eHal after submitting my target. Unlike the first night however, I did receive a PM when the day started that contained a link to the Bon Jovi song "It's my life", linked to the set of lyrics:

"It's my life, it's now or never,
And I aint gonna live forever
I just want to live while I'm alive"

The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

As for my role, I've no idea. I said at the end of D1 that I had inside information that there might be a cult - and that's why. But eHal could very easily be screwing with me, and my role may be completely random. I've no idea. I've seen no evidence of a cult however.

That said... If you're in one, feel free to speak up!
*mcmc describes cult*
"No evidence for the cult"
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 07:47:15 pm
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
"Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"

Vote: Galzria

Huh?

I don't know about this.

I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.
Also why did you just claim cop?

Or this.

I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?

Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.

Well, I've debated this claim since D1, but I think maybe its safe:

I'm a Cult Doctor. That is, I'm not "A member of a Cult that Doctors", rather "A Doctor that prevents Conversion".
It seems silly that a Cult could kill though, so I think claiming that is "safer" than a regular Doctor claim.
eHal has hinted that my role does more than that, but the only concrete evidence that I have is from last night when I attempted to "Doctor" Jorbles. As with the first night (when I "Doctored" Joth), I received no confirmation from eHal after submitting my target. Unlike the first night however, I did receive a PM when the day started that contained a link to the Bon Jovi song "It's my life", linked to the set of lyrics:

"It's my life, it's now or never,
And I aint gonna live forever
I just want to live while I'm alive"

The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

As for my role, I've no idea. I said at the end of D1 that I had inside information that there might be a cult - and that's why. But eHal could very easily be screwing with me, and my role may be completely random. I've no idea. I've seen no evidence of a cult however.

That said... If you're in one, feel free to speak up!
*mcmc describes cult*
"No evidence for the cult"

I started typing this immediately after Ashersky asked me to go into more detail. It didn't take anything said after into account.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 07:48:51 pm
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

I think it means that deep down the WWs are merely weird looking people, and are only hiding from Town because the Town will kill them.  That is, WWs are not scum, even if they have a red role name.  I would really like mcmc to make an honest full claim verifying that, not being afraid to tell us that he's a WW.  I certainly won't lynch him for it.

And Galz, your entire role might be to provide that slight bit of information.  That is, if you target someone who dies during the night, you will discover exactly what you discovered instead of saving them.  So you're kinda like a Doctor in that you'll want to target someone who dies....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:50:35 pm
Galzira almost confirms cult, mcmc describes a cult, we could kill scum or cult leader (with the bonus of killing the unusual morgrim role), yep mcmc is the best place for the lynch today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 07:50:52 pm
eta: Bon Jovi lyrics are to emphasize the fact that the WWs are merely wanting to live while they're alive, which means hiding as best they can or until the Town comes to realize that they aren't threats.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:52:05 pm
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The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

I think it means that deep down the WWs are merely weird looking people, and are only hiding from Town because the Town will kill them.  That is, WWs are not scum, even if they have a red role name.  I would really like mcmc to make an honest full claim verifying that, not being afraid to tell us that he's a WW.  I certainly won't lynch him for it.

And Galz, your entire role might be to provide that slight bit of information.  That is, if you target someone who dies during the night, you will discover exactly what you discovered instead of saving them.  So you're kinda like a Doctor in that you'll want to target someone who dies....

confirmed
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:54:18 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:55:27 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.

Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?

I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:55:45 pm
I was also told there may be more ww's out there but me and jorbles did not know if any of them exist.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:55:57 pm
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.

Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.

I think it means that deep down the WWs are merely weird looking people, and are only hiding from Town because the Town will kill them.  That is, WWs are not scum, even if they have a red role name.  I would really like mcmc to make an honest full claim verifying that, not being afraid to tell us that he's a WW.  I certainly won't lynch him for it.

Are you a WW too?  I mean, sounds like you are a defender of them here...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 07:56:19 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
I'm 24 and what is this?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 07:56:49 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.

Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?

I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?

No we should not

&

Yes, we are.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 07:57:30 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.

Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?

I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?

No we should not

&

Yes, we are.



Are you a WW?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:57:50 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
I'm 24 and what is this?
??(directed at Axxle)??
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:58:46 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.

Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?

I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?

At this point in time I'm actually not sure.

Apologies for being short before I had little time and was very confused on what to do.

I win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated but I have no nk.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 07:59:12 pm
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.

Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?

I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?

No we should not

&

Yes, we are.

No, we should not not lynch them? (Lynch them)
Or no, we should not lynch them?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 07:59:53 pm
So heres what I suggest, I think it should be believable that I have no nk. That means I am of no threat, whenever robz gets her he can confirm the act that I am a neighborizer and not a cult.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:00:50 pm
I win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated but I have no nk.

This, by definition, means you are NOT town.  Town members are threats to WWs, so WWs need to kill town.

The ONLY other explanation that seems to fit what others are hinting at:

eHal has switched the names, and the majority of this game is WWs who have to survive by killing town, who have NKs.  But who the heck would believe that?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:01:06 pm
So even if we aren't confident that ww is town, you can lynch me later killing morgrim and myself. Untill then I am harmless.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 08:01:14 pm
Are you a WW too?  I mean, sounds like you are a defender of them here...

I already soft-claimed it enough.  I have the same win condition as mcmc.  The threats to the WWs are the ones that we care about, not the WWs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:01:19 pm
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:02:32 pm
So heres what I suggest, I think it should be believable that I have no nk. That means I am of no threat, whenever robz gets her he can confirm the act that I am a neighborizer and not a cult.

Someone has an NK, since someone killed Jorbles and Axxle2.  Therefore, someone is scum.

WW = scum in all known definitions, unless eHal loves Twilight.  (note: I know eHal knows Buffy.)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:02:48 pm
I am also a WW.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:02:51 pm
I win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated but I have no nk.

This, by definition, means you are NOT town.  Town members are threats to WWs, so WWs need to kill town.

The ONLY other explanation that seems to fit what others are hinting at:

eHal has switched the names, and the majority of this game is WWs who have to survive by killing town, who have NKs.  But who the heck would believe that?

Okay, well I have in fact claimed ww, there's no going back and getting myself out of this later. If we decide ww is scum I am fine with dying.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 08:03:04 pm

Town members are threats to WWs


How do you know this?  I wasn't told that.  I think it's in your "Town" role PM, and you're the SK that's the source of the NKs.

vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:04:08 pm
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.

So far, claimed/dead WWs:

Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz

Anyone else?  I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win?  And that's insane.  So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:04:36 pm

Town members are threats to WWs


How do you know this?  I wasn't told that.  I think it's in your "Town" role PM, and you're the SK that's the source of the NKs.

vote: ashersky

From playing a gazillion games of mafia, and being WW in one of them, and trying to kill WWs in another.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:04:39 pm
My guess to eHal was that "Red text WW's" are the uninformed majority (commonly called "town" in most games),and "Green text 'Town'" are the informed minority (commonly called scum). I believe Axxle2 was "scum".
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:05:02 pm
vote: ashersky

Robz said he had lots to tell me but was worried about morgrim. I'm going to guess he is a ww as well.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 08:05:53 pm
Galzira almost confirms cult, mcmc describes a cult, we could kill scum or cult leader (with the bonus of killing the unusual morgrim role), yep mcmc is the best place for the lynch today.
Have to agree.  All of sudden there are a lot of claims flying around.  Either way, ww, cult, or just plain scum, Mc is a good target in my estimation.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:06:25 pm
Oh and I was informed morgrim is now a ww as well.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:07:48 pm
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.

mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 2)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 08:08:03 pm
Are you playing a different game than I am?  I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal.  Recall that there were no rules posted at all.  We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played.  For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town.  How would there be a game, you ask?  Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left.  Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't.  Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left.  They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever.  I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups.  We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.

My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here.  I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.
Razzishi suggested this. Maybe this is true.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:08:09 pm
Oh and I was informed morgrim is now a ww as well.

Dude, your dribbling crazy claims a little a time is NOT helping your credibility.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:08:21 pm
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.

So far, claimed/dead WWs:

Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz

Anyone else?  I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win?  And that's insane.  So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?
Add me to the list.

Vote: ashersky

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:08:46 pm
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.

mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype, razzishi are ww.

and if we add my expectation of robz being ww as well. Thats a ww majority
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 08:09:42 pm
Oh and I was informed morgrim is now a ww as well.
Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:11:26 pm
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.

mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.

Screw this.  I'm in the wrong group in your list, man.  Also, I confirm Galz is an Alarmist Doctor (but cannot confirm he's a WW).

So then, the sensible thing is WWs need to kill Cultists.

Here's the thing: mcmc is STILL the best lynch, because he has claimed neighborizer, the Cult safe claim.  So let's kill the Cult Leader, who says he's a neighborizer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:11:52 pm
Side note: this is both the appeal and annoyance of BM games.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:13:02 pm
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?

Best guess, they all claim WW now.

But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:13:37 pm
Here's the thing ashersky: WW is the majority. Why in the world would we lynch someone that increases how many WWs there are?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 08:14:28 pm
Why do people keep saying Axxle2?

@Archetype: We believe mcmc is doing something called lying :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 08:14:44 pm
unless eHal loves Twilight.  (note: I know eHal knows Buffy.)

Twilight is great.  Extended twilights are especially fun.  All the trolling from freshly lynched scum and such.  Also, I do not know Buffy personally.  She is fictional.  Probably.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:15:41 pm
Here's the thing ashersky: WW is the majority. Why in the world would we lynch someone that increases how many WWs there are?

also im a lover with morgrim, lynch me and goodbye two ww's
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:16:10 pm
Why do people keep saying Axxle2?

@Archetype: We believe mcmc is doing something called lying :P
YOU believe he is lying.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:17:15 pm
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?

Best guess, they all claim WW now.

But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.

No, it's exactly the opposite. And Jorbles is confirmed Un-Lynchable WW Lover. That's both positive and negative utility, but no active ability. So neighborizor makes sense. I believe Jorbles is what he claims, and I'm 95% sure there's no cult.

This role is one of like... 20 different combinations I asked for.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:17:48 pm
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?

Best guess, they all claim WW now.

But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.

No, it's exactly the opposite. And Jorbles is confirmed Un-Lynchable WW Lover. That's both positive and negative utility, but no active ability. So neighborizor makes sense. I believe Jorbles is what he claims, and I'm 95% sure there's no cult.

This role is one of like... 20 different combinations I asked for.

Mcmc* is what he claims.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 08:18:46 pm
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?

Best guess, they all claim WW now.

But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.
How can something that eats people at night be town.  That's a scummy thing to do even if your in a whole town of ww....something I highly highly doubt.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:19:52 pm
My guess to eHal was that "Red text WW's" are the uninformed majority (commonly called "town" in most games),and "Green text 'Town'" are the informed minority (commonly called scum). I believe Axxle2 was "scum".
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:21:09 pm
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:21:32 pm
@Raz49 WD: True, probably should hold off then.

I don't support mcmc's lynch at all today. Period.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:22:21 pm
So we should lynch SB, who refuses to claim WW?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:23:08 pm
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.

If this is true, my role is way better than before.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:23:39 pm
So we should lynch SB, who refuses to claim WW?

Or you, I'm good with that lynch too. Or even Axxle. For now I'd like to hear some from Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 08:24:56 pm
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.
Galz has you all snowed then. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 08:26:09 pm
Vote Count 3.2

ashersky (3): Razzishi, mcmcsalot, Archetype
mcmcsalot (5): ashersky, Axxle, liopoil, spiritbears, mail-mi
Morgrim7 (1): Morgrim7

Not voting (5): Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, jotheonah, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:29:29 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 08:33:03 pm
I'm WW, I softclaimed here:
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
I'm 24 and what is this?
24th letter is omega: ωω
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 08:34:43 pm
I'm WW, I softclaimed here:
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
I'm 24 and what is this?
24th letter is omega: ωω

whaaaaaaat?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 08:40:45 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 08:42:35 pm
Awww but ashes, thats meeeean!! You wouldnt kill poor morgrim, would you?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 08:48:07 pm
Never didn't claim WW. Which is what I am.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 08:52:18 pm
Haven't claimed anything.  Not about to now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:52:27 pm
Dsell and Eevee haven't claimed either.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 08:54:20 pm
Dsell and Eevee haven't claimed either.
Neither have liopoil not Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:56:00 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
It's too bad your a Vampire!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:56:06 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.

Why would you intentionally screw out the rest of the "town" for mislynching you? That threat makes absolutely no sense if you're actually part of the WW town. It would be incredibly petty, which I know you're not. So.Egrets that leave us?

A) You're not a WW, but have a Vengekill
B) You're a WW and are trying to have us not lynch you.

My guess? A). But I don't think you're town. Your play isn't consistent with the others. My guess is you're the Cult leader trying to buy time.

You said you knew my role was true. I'm immune to being recruited, but somebody visited me night 1. I was going to write it off, but you got info on me. My guess is you tried to recruit me and failed.

Vote: Ashersky Likely cult, and probable "Town" if not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 08:56:35 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
It's too bad your a Vampire!
*you're, before eHalc jumps in. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 08:57:04 pm
Egrets = where's.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 08, 2013, 09:00:15 pm
Vote: ashes for saying he will kill me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:00:31 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.

Why would you intentionally screw out the rest of the "town" for mislynching you? That threat makes absolutely no sense if you're actually part of the WW town. It would be incredibly petty, which I know you're not. So.Egrets that leave us?

A) You're not a WW, but have a Vengekill
B) You're a WW and are trying to have us not lynch you.

My guess? A). But I don't think you're town. Your play isn't consistent with the others. My guess is you're the Cult leader trying to buy time.

You said you knew my role was true. I'm immune to being recruited, but somebody visited me night 1. I was going to write it off, but you got info on me. My guess is you tried to recruit me and failed.

Vote: Ashersky Likely cult, and probable "Town" if not.

Incorrect on all counts, and my flip will, as always, vindicate me.

I learned you were an Alarmist Doctor last night.  Hence my starting to talk about cults on D3 BEFORE you claimed.  Go re-read my interactions with mcmc, who is the most likely cult leader, given he's basically admitted to it.

I am a WW, and I played (up until the grand reveal) as I would as scum trying to win a game.  Heck, I even asked for a QT by myself, since scum without a QT is lame.  So, as a WW looking to win solo, I played to stay alive during the days, given I'm always a mislynch target and rarely an NK target.

Now, it seems I'm actually town, and that changes everything.  But, given I believe mcmc to be lying, VKing him is our best bet, since I think I'll kill the cult leader.  And for those who think he's telling the truth, it ought to give you pause before lynching me.  So, best of both worlds, as far as I can see.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:01:12 pm
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
It's too bad your a Vampire!

Why do you think I'm a Vampire?  That's out of nowhere.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:02:35 pm
We need to hunt cult to win.  If I'm eHal, my best guess, given what we know:

WW = :"town"
Cult = scum without an NK
Vampire = SK (Archetype)

All NKs have the "two puncture wounds" flavor.  So vamp kills at night, mcmc recruits at night, the rest of us go about our business as misunderstood town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:08:02 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:11:17 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

Because I don't believe it will kill 3 of us.  I believe it will kill the Cult Leader and a Cult member.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:11:48 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

But, you may believe mcmc for some reason, in which case, you need to know what I'm going to do, so it will inform your lynch decision.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:12:24 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason.  If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:14:02 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason.  If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.
Too bad you're a Vampire. I had such high hopes for you!

:c
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:14:53 pm
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:16:57 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason.  If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.

Um, so your win condition changes after you get lynched?  Why else would you intentionally kill 2 people on your own team if you could have just killed one?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:17:46 pm
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:19:09 pm
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.

To appear opportunistic?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:19:20 pm
I do believe ash more than mcmc, so my vote stays.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:19:53 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:20:13 pm
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.

Did you misread Arch as ash?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:21:06 pm
I do believe ash more than mcmc, so my vote stays.

That's fine. You're not a WW anyway, so I would expect you to play to your own wincon, not ours.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:21:27 pm
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.

Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason.  If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.

Um, so your win condition changes after you get lynched?  Why else would you intentionally kill 2 people on your own team if you could have just killed one?

Nope, my win condition does not change.

I do not think I am intentionally killing two people on my team.  The team I'm trying to kill is the cult.  Mcmc is the closest thing to a cult claim we've seen, and a pretty good one at that.

I have a pretty good night action for the evening, which can help with finding out, I believe.  But first I need to not be mislynched, and second I need Archetype not to kill me.

I will reiterate, I confirmed Galzria's claim today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:21:55 pm
I do believe ash more than mcmc, so my vote stays.

That's fine. You're not a WW anyway, so I would expect you to play to your own wincon, not ours.
I never said I wasn't. I am a WW
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:22:09 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.

Why do you have a QT?  Masons?  Cult?

I specifically did NOT receive a QT, even though I am a WW.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:22:36 pm
Specifically @ Galz:

You've played and modded with me enough.  Do you really think I'm fakeclaiming this?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:23:51 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.

Ah, that's fine then.

Interesting that you two have a QT as well as mcmc/Jorbles/Robz.

Hmm.

Unvote: Ashersky

And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...

Vote: Spiritbears for now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:24:06 pm
Suprise, suprise! Razzishi and I are WW masons!

We also have some other tricks up our hairy sleeves, but I'd rather not claim them now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:24:31 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.

Ah, that's fine then.

Interesting that you two have a QT as well as mcmc/Jorbles/Robz.

Hmm.

Unvote: Ashersky

And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...

Vote: Spiritbears for now.
No, vote Axxle. He's lying.

Vote: Axxle
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 09:25:05 pm
And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...
Why am I lumped in there?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 09:25:38 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.

Ah, that's fine then.

Interesting that you two have a QT as well as mcmc/Jorbles/Robz.

Hmm.

Unvote: Ashersky

And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...

Vote: Spiritbears for now.
No, vote Axxle. He's lying.

Vote: Axxle

I claimed before almost everyone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:29:16 pm
Specifically @ Galz:

You've played and modded with me enough.  Do you really think I'm fakeclaiming this?

I think you have a Vengekill, yes. I also (at this time) believe mcmc. If you're a WW, and you're right about mcmc, and we lynch you - great. But if he is what he claims (and I base much of my belief in him on Jorbles flip), and you're a WW, then your choice on lynch would screw us over.

So. What should I do? If you're not a WW, that's a great fakeclaim because it's the one that has the potential to hurt us the most. Right?

We could ignore your and mcmc today and lynch one of the "Scum!Town" (likely Mail-Mi/Spirit/Axxle), which is where I'm at now... But I'm not sold.

I can't justify lynching mcmc however because if he's telling the truth we're throwing the game at a very winnable stage.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 09:30:41 pm
Arch is almost certainly not SK.  I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short.  We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.

Why do you have a QT?  Masons?  Cult?

I specifically did NOT receive a QT, even though I am a WW.

I didn't have one to start, but eHal gave me one when he did all that "Vote QT" business.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:31:30 pm
Fine, fine. I'll claim, just to get the liar lynched.

I'm a WW 1-shot Psychologist.

A psychologist is sort of like an actual Cop, but much weaker. They can target someone and if they have the ability to kill, I get a positive result. If they've already killed, I get a negative result.

I targeted Axxle last night and got a positive result. So he can kill, but hasn't yet.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:33:48 pm
Specifically @ Galz:

You've played and modded with me enough.  Do you really think I'm fakeclaiming this?

I think you have a Vengekill, yes. I also (at this time) believe mcmc. If you're a WW, and you're right about mcmc, and we lynch you - great. But if he is what he claims (and I base much of my belief in him on Jorbles flip), and you're a WW, then your choice on lynch would screw us over.

So. What should I do? If you're not a WW, that's a great fakeclaim because it's the one that has the potential to hurt us the most. Right?

We could ignore your and mcmc today and lynch one of the "Scum!Town" (likely Mail-Mi/Spirit/Axxle), which is where I'm at now... But I'm not sold.

I can't justify lynching mcmc however because if he's telling the truth we're throwing the game at a very winnable stage.
I'm a freaking WW!

Anyway, I don't really believe ash or mcmc (I do believe ash more, however) so if we can kill 3 birds with one stone, lets kill ash. Vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:34:20 pm
Fine, fine. I'll claim, just to get the liar lynched.

I'm a WW 1-shot Psychologist.

A psychologist is sort of like an actual Cop, but much weaker. They can target someone and if they have the ability to kill, I get a positive result. If they've already killed, I get a negative result.

I targeted Axxle last night and got a positive result. So he can kill, but hasn't yet.

Why Axxle?

1-shot, so why N2?

Axxle did have that crazy secret way of claiming which seems less likely to be fake.  WW Vig?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:35:02 pm
I actually think Spiritbears is most like to be "town" in his PM, given his reaction to the whole chain of crazy WW claiming we've had so far.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:35:53 pm
Why Axxle?

1-shot, so why N2?
I have my reasons.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:36:12 pm
Fine, fine. I'll claim, just to get the liar lynched.

I'm a WW 1-shot Psychologist.

A psychologist is sort of like an actual Cop, but much weaker. They can target someone and if they have the ability to kill, I get a positive result. If they've already killed, I get a negative result.

I targeted Axxle last night and got a positive result. So he can kill, but hasn't yet.
No you didn't. I'm a WW watcher. I watched Axxle. I did not see you target him. Vote: Archetype
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:38:26 pm
Archetype was lying so I didn't have to full claim yet.  But now I do.  I actually know that the real scum are spiritbears, Axxle, and jotheonah.  Axxle2 was also one of them, and they are called Conspiracy Theorists.  I know this because I am also one of them, but was recruited by Archetype to be a WW.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:41:26 pm
Archetype was lying so I didn't have to full claim yet.  But now I do.  I actually know that the real scum are spiritbears, Axxle, and jotheonah.  Axxle2 was also one of them, and they are called Conspiracy Theorists.  I know this because I am also one of them, but was recruited by Archetype to be a WW.
Ooh ooh ooh Vote: Spiritbears
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:42:05 pm
And they also can recruit someone that has died.  Sorta twice, once is any night on anyone dead, once requires 2 of them to be left and it suicides the person recruiting.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 09:43:03 pm
Yeah... no.

Vote: Archetype

Arch then Razz, Razz then Arch, I don't care. The way Razz came out to protect Arch makes me think that Arch is too powerful a role to leave around another night.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:44:09 pm
Arch: was that a lie to save Razz from full claiming like (s)he says?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:44:32 pm
Archetype was lying so I didn't have to full claim yet.
Sorry! Didn't know if you wanted me to explain for you yet!

I'll do my for-real claim now:

Eevee and I are WW Masons. We both requested to be Cultists, so eHalc gave us a Cult-like power. A 1-shot Mason recruitment. We decided to use it N1 on Razzishi since he was being the most Town. Seems like mcmcsalot had a similar role, except with Lovers.

Razzishi spilled the beans about the Conspiracy Theorists, so that's how I know Axxle is lying. They also have a factional kill, so beware of that.

Oh yeah. They can be either Scum or Town. It depends on eHalc's mood of which alignment he wants to display.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 09:45:38 pm
Arch: was that a lie to save Razz from full claiming like (s)he says?
Correct. I didn't know how I wanted him to handle it. We didn't expect there to be so many WWs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 09:46:47 pm
Why didn't you guys open the day like that? It's an obvious lie.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 09:47:08 pm
Crazy stuff. I'm not totally caught up yet. please don't quicklynch anyone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:47:23 pm
And they also can recruit someone that has died.  Sorta twice, once is any night on anyone dead, once requires 2 of them to be left and it suicides the person recruiting.

Who is they? 

Archetype recruits?  Or the Conspiracy Theorists do?  Holes all over your story.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:47:47 pm
I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 09:48:27 pm
Even if they're obvscum. we have a lot of claims to work through first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:48:49 pm
I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:49:46 pm
Argh I don't know who to believe! This is so confusing! I blame the mod!

Vote: eHalc (technically meaning unvote)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 09:50:23 pm
I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?
Well, the Axxle2 death for one.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:54:39 pm
I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is.  That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.

If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?
Well, the Axxle2 death for one.

So the CTs didn't kill on N1?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:55:36 pm
CTs started as Me, Axxle, Axxle2, spiritbears, jotheonah.  I was recruited by Archetype night 1, which led me to some serious setup speculation.  Confirm eevee is in our QT.  The CTs have a one-shot revive and recruit, and a one-shot reincarnate when there's two of them left.  The reincarnate is the same thing as revive and recruit it sounds like, but it suicides the the person using it.  Their win condition is to get rid of everyone else.  That's why they're scum, even if they appear as town.  Not sure why Arch keeps lying, but they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.

I tried as much as I could to push the alternate setup hypotheses as a pseudo-breadcrumb that my role would end up being very odd.  I didn't want to claim immediately because I had no clue if I was right.  Once so many people were out as wolves and someone actively attacked a person I was in a QT with due to a lie (which I think was a bad move, but what's done is done) I felt there was a compelling enough reason to come out and wouldn't get immediately lynched as a WW.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:57:16 pm
That is, I had no clue if it was safe to reveal as WW.  As to "being right", I meant my own faction being "town" due to what our win condition was.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 09:58:10 pm
And by "my own faction" I mean the WWs.  The CTs are nice people and all, but I can win without them and it should be very easy now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 09:59:59 pm
How do you explain Morgrim's resurrection?  Was that a revive from the CTs?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:01:32 pm
CTs started as Me, Axxle, Axxle2, spiritbears, jotheonah.  I was recruited by Archetype night 1, which led me to some serious setup speculation.  Confirm eevee is in our QT.  The CTs have a one-shot revive and recruit, and a one-shot reincarnate when there's two of them left.  The reincarnate is the same thing as revive and recruit it sounds like, but it suicides the the person using it.  Their win condition is to get rid of everyone else.  That's why they're scum, even if they appear as town.  Not sure why Arch keeps lying, but they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.

I tried as much as I could to push the alternate setup hypotheses as a pseudo-breadcrumb that my role would end up being very odd.  I didn't want to claim immediately because I had no clue if I was right.  Once so many people were out as wolves and someone actively attacked a person I was in a QT with due to a lie (which I think was a bad move, but what's done is done) I felt there was a compelling enough reason to come out and wouldn't get immediately lynched as a WW.

The problem with your claim is this:

If true, you should have said all of this at the beginning of Day 2.  All of it.  You could have laid out the entire scum team for the town, and game over.  So why didn't you?

Possibly you and Arch are lying together as scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:05:24 pm
How do you explain Morgrim's resurrection?  Was that a revive from the CTs?

morgrims ressurection has to do wit his role, he hammered jorbles coming back into to game with jorbles role
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 10:06:04 pm
they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.
This is what I meant.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 10:07:12 pm
If true, you should have said all of this at the beginning of Day 2.  All of it.  You could have laid out the entire scum team for the town, and game over.  So why didn't you?

Well then people would have lynched us. I mean, we're WW. In NORMAL games, you go out and say that. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 10:07:23 pm
I can verify that arch targetted razzishi N1. If you don't believe this claim, and think that I am in a scumteam with them, I can have this claim verified as well.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 10:07:44 pm
I can't explain Morgrim's resurrection.  I had no way of knowing that CTs were actual scum on Day 2; I thought they were just another 3rd party and there was actual Mafia to hunt.  I didn't think WWs were most of the Town on Day 2; I knew we were town-like with our win condition, but only as things progressed did it become clearer.  Also, there's almost certainly an SK, who I think is Ashersky, and I'm probably going to die at night if we don't kill them.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:09:52 pm
Should we all just fullclaim at this point?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:10:33 pm
Should we all just fullclaim at this point?

you may, I doubt I'll believe it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 10:10:58 pm
Should we all just fullclaim at this point?

Yes, starting with you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:12:07 pm
Also, there's almost certainly an SK, who I think is Ashersky, and I'm probably going to die at night if we don't kill them.

This is wrong on every level.

You have zero case for me being an SK.  Arch makes much more sense for that role, especially given his vampirevampirevampire posting.

Problem is, you two seem to have decided to gambit together.  So vampires as a killing team, WWs as "town," and Conspiracy Theorists as something else?  I mean, eHal could be Team Jacob, I guess.

If you really are a WW, and you believe mcmc is too, you won't lynch me.

My VK is locked in on mcmc with eHal now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 10:12:17 pm
It does not feel right that Razzishi is simply able to out the whole scum team after being recruited.

I am a WW.

I am ok with lynching Spiritbears or perhaps Ashersky (except that I'm concerned about vengeing, and I certainly believe mcmc more than Ash) and I suppose maybe the "conspiracy theorists" that Razzishi claimed to have outed. But that all feels quite wrong, that we would already have the game solved. I'm willing to pursue it at least for a bit though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 10:13:11 pm
Ok, I got interrupted while making that post and I am super busy tonight, there is no way I can keep up at this pace. I will catch up at some point.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:13:46 pm
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:14:14 pm
vote ashersky, also vote count please
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:14:27 pm
If someone that has any semblance of being towny actually things we should claim, I can start it.

But SK Archetype and lying Raz I will not follow.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:15:19 pm
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)

You really don't believe you're dying with me?

A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.

Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills.  This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 10:17:15 pm
That is, I think it is in the WWs best interest to lynch ashersky tonight.  Even though they aren't CT, the CT are harmless and we can lynch them all later.  Even if they recruit ashersky after we lynch them, they'll have 4.  We have eevee, Arch, Dsell, me, and mail-mi at least after askersky kills off mcmc and morgrim.

Yes, the WWs being able to recruit a CT is massively imbalanced once the WW group with the CT realizes they can claim, but this setup is so bastard that I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early.  And I wasn't going to until I needed to in case there was even more setup weirdness, but I was pretty much forced to.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:19:33 pm
That is, I think it is in the WWs best interest to lynch ashersky tonight.  Even though they aren't CT, the CT are harmless and we can lynch them all later.  Even if they recruit ashersky after we lynch them, they'll have 4.  We have eevee, Arch, Dsell, me, and mail-mi at least after askersky kills off mcmc and morgrim.

Yes, the WWs being able to recruit a CT is massively imbalanced once the WW group with the CT realizes they can claim, but this setup is so bastard that I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early.  And I wasn't going to until I needed to in case there was even more setup weirdness, but I was pretty much forced to.

You screwed up all your names there.  "I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early."  You mean eHal?

If you believe everyone on your list is a WW, then we have currently:

Eevee, Archetype, Razzishi, Mail-Mi, Ashersky, Mcmcsalot, Morgrim, Galzria out of 14.  You claim 4 CTs are remaining.  And the other two?

Your story doesn't work, man.  The numbers don't add up, especially if you don't include claimants like me and Galz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:19:53 pm
That is, I think it is in the WWs best interest to lynch ashersky tonight.  Even though they aren't CT, the CT are harmless and we can lynch them all later.  Even if they recruit ashersky after we lynch them, they'll have 4.  We have eevee, Arch, Dsell, me, and mail-mi at least after askersky kills off mcmc and morgrim.

Yes, the WWs being able to recruit a CT is massively imbalanced once the WW group with the CT realizes they can claim, but this setup is so bastard that I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early.  And I wasn't going to until I needed to in case there was even more setup weirdness, but I was pretty much forced to.

Also, how can you lynch at night?  Another power we don't know about?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 10:20:32 pm
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)

You really don't believe you're dying with me?

A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.

Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills.  This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.

For questions like this, I will do it the Dominion way and follow the role descriptions as I have written them.  If that's not possible, I will be a bastard and make a command decision as I see fit.  That's all I'll say on the matter.

I'll do another vote count.  You guys are making it hard for me to stay away.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 10:21:19 pm
Stop voting!!! archetype is not SK. he targetter razzishi N1, nobody else. I'm probably going to fullclaim. is that okay guys?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:22:32 pm
Stop voting!!! archetype is not SK. he targetter razzishi N1, nobody else. I'm probably going to fullclaim. is that okay guys?

Arch could be cult leader, recruited razzishi N1.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 10:23:40 pm
Hmm, if ashersky keeps vengeful and the NK, maybe we do need to keep him alive so that the CTs can't recruit them.  I don't think we can afford lynching ashersky over and over again if they take one of us with them.

unvote
vote: spiritbears


I already put out there everything I know.  If I die to NK, you won't really have lost anything but you will have gained information that I am a CT.

By "tonight" I meant toDay.  It's physically night here and I'm tired, sorry.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:24:40 pm
I will be fine lynching sb, I also think he isn't ww.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:25:06 pm
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)

You really don't believe you're dying with me?

A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.

Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills.  This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.

For questions like this, I will do it the Dominion way and follow the role descriptions as I have written them.  If that's not possible, I will be a bastard and make a command decision as I see fit.  That's all I'll say on the matter.

I'll do another vote count.  You guys are making it hard for me to stay away.


Huh.  Changed my VK to Morgrim to be safe.  Should still take out Mcmc then, if the Lovers role PM was written in any normal way.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 08, 2013, 10:26:06 pm
Yeah I should probably not post at the rate of this thread and just leave it for tonight.  Making a lot of stupid typos that aren't making my case any better.  Just lynching off CTs is fine, but I'm pretty convinced ashersky is SK. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:29:37 pm
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)

You really don't believe you're dying with me?

A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.

Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills.  This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.

For questions like this, I will do it the Dominion way and follow the role descriptions as I have written them.  If that's not possible, I will be a bastard and make a command decision as I see fit.  That's all I'll say on the matter.

I'll do another vote count.  You guys are making it hard for me to stay away.


Huh.  Changed my VK to Morgrim to be safe.  Should still take out Mcmc then, if the Lovers role PM was written in any normal way.

So what, ash you actually think I'm a cult leader? that recruited who jorbles? morgrim? robz?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:30:08 pm
You think I'm a bulletproof cult leader whos lovers with a lynchproof ww?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 10:31:35 pm
Vote Count 3.3

Archetype (1): Axxle
ashersky (3): mcmcsalot, Archetype, Morgrim7
mcmcsalot (3): ashersky, liopoil, spiritbears
spiritbears (2): Galzria, Razzishi

Not voting (5): Dsell, Eevee, jotheonah, mail-mi, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 08, 2013, 10:32:24 pm
Wow. I missed a lot. SHould I claim? WW Bomb. Requested a passive role because I knew I wouldn't have reliable access, which is how I got bomb? Not sure what Razzishi's game is, but I guess it makes sense to include the guy who's not posting very much on your fake scum team. I would.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 10:34:07 pm
Vote: ashersky

I really hope you don't die mcmcsalot.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:35:02 pm
You think I'm a bulletproof cult leader whos lovers with a lynchproof ww?

Let me rethink this.

I think you are probably lying.  If you are lying, you are the Cult Leader, or at least able to recruit to the Cult.  I believe there is a Cult because I know that Galzria is telling the truth about being an Alarmist Doctor.  Therefore, the theory that you are cult, and NOT WW, is viable.

Because of this, I want to lynch you.  That will tell us in the most efficient way.

Because I'm less likely to be believed because I'm ashersky, I'm using the tools at my disposal to try to help town win.  One tool is my vengekill.

I've changed my VK target back to mcmc, for 2 reasons:

1) I think you are lying and not a WW.  That would make you (hopefully) not BP, and (probably) Cult.
2) If I am wrong, and you are NOT lying, then you are BP, and from eHalcyon's evasive, BM answers, you won't die from my VK.  And if you are telling the truth about BP, then you are at least somewhat more likely to be telling the truth about everything else.

So, this seems to be the safest, best use of my VK.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:36:15 pm
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.

I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb.  No clue on WW, though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 10:47:25 pm
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.

I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb.  No clue on WW, though.

Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 10:52:23 pm
I want to hear from robz. get in here robz!! In the meantime, STOP VOTING! we are massclaiming. there are lots of people we haven't heard from yet.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 10:52:54 pm
I intend to be fully offline for most of Tuesday and probably a good portion of Wednesday.  I tried to stay away from the forums today and I failed pretty hard... and it's pressing enough that I will work much harder at it tomorrow.  Just a heads up.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 10:57:56 pm
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.

I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb.  No clue on WW, though.

Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's

Happily sacrificing?  That's a stretch.  I'm trying to decide if I care about winning more than proving all of you wrong.

VKing Morgrim gives me the satisfaction of killing you, pushing a terrible case on me.  But if you aren't lying by some crazy stretch, then VKing Morgrim hurts my chances of winning.

I'm able to change my VK up my lynch, I'm pretty sure.  I'm undecided, but it's posts like these that stress to me just how terrible a WW you are being this game, if you really are one (which I'm sure you are NOT).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:00:30 pm
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.

I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb.  No clue on WW, though.

Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's

Happily sacrificing?  That's a stretch.  I'm trying to decide if I care about winning more than proving all of you wrong.

VKing Morgrim gives me the satisfaction of killing you, pushing a terrible case on me.  But if you aren't lying by some crazy stretch, then VKing Morgrim hurts my chances of winning.

I'm able to change my VK up my lynch, I'm pretty sure.  I'm undecided, but it's posts like these that stress to me just how terrible a WW you are being this game, if you really are one (which I'm sure you are NOT).

YOUR GOING TO KILL 2 OF THEM AS A VENGEKILL AND I'M THE TERRIBLE WW!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 11:01:21 pm
Techno-free Tuesday for me tomorrow also. I am a WW watcher. I think you all knowcwhat watcher does.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:01:46 pm
remember I don't think your a ww, so I am happy to lynch you and watch you fail to nk me with your vengekill because I am a bp ww.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:02:12 pm
Techno-free Tuesday for me tomorrow also. I am a WW watcher. I think you all knowcwhat watcher does.

watch me do nothing if ya want, I'm all out of actions.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 11:02:45 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:03:14 pm
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.

I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb.  No clue on WW, though.

Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's

Happily sacrificing?  That's a stretch.  I'm trying to decide if I care about winning more than proving all of you wrong.

VKing Morgrim gives me the satisfaction of killing you, pushing a terrible case on me.  But if you aren't lying by some crazy stretch, then VKing Morgrim hurts my chances of winning.

I'm able to change my VK up my lynch, I'm pretty sure.  I'm undecided, but it's posts like these that stress to me just how terrible a WW you are being this game, if you really are one (which I'm sure you are NOT).

YOUR GOING TO KILL 2 OF THEM AS A VENGEKILL AND I'M THE TERRIBLE WW!

I thought you said you were BP and could block my VK?

Why are you completely ignoring my case on you being cult and instead tunneling on me and trying to get me lynched?

That's a HUGE scum tell right there.  Caught, no defense, so deflecting instead.  Come on man, you must see how at the very least you SEEM to be caught.

remember I don't think your a ww, so I am happy to lynch you and watch you fail to nk me with your vengekill because I am a bp ww.

Okay: Vengekill: Morgrim7

Official in thread now.  Have fun.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:04:13 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.

Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town? 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 11:05:09 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.

Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?

Alarmist means no cult, right???
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:05:56 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.

Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?

Alarmist means no cult, right???

Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.

Alarmists save people from joining cults.  That's their job.  So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT.  Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:07:36 pm
ashersky..man this is outa hand. How am I caught, how have I slipped. I know that I will block your vengekill, but the fact remains you are trying to kill 2 ww's and you will now by vengekilling morgrim. So if your ww you are terrible, in fact probably a record for worst player ever, kill off 2 of your teammates.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:08:06 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.

Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?

Alarmist means no cult, right???

Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.

Alarmists save people from joining cults.  That's their job.  So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT.  Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.

he also said hes a regular doctor, you should really start reading.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 11:08:53 pm
Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.

Alarmists save people from joining cults.  That's their job.  So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT.  Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.
From the Mafiascum Wiki:

"The presence of an Alarmist is a fairly clear indicator of either the existence of a Cult, or a moderator who likes toying with false positives. "

I think we all know what kind of mod eHalc is.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 11:08:58 pm
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.

Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?

Alarmist means no cult, right???

Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.

Alarmists save people from joining cults.  That's their job.  So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT.  Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.

Oh right I was getting it backwards. Well I will have to reexamine some then, but mcmc and Jorbles were lovers, correct? And Jorbles was indeed WW rather than cult. Mcmc deserves a second look but it is NOT a foregone conclusion that he is cult, he seemed one of the very MOST likely to be WW in my initial read.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:10:50 pm
ashersky..man this is outa hand. How am I caught, how have I slipped. I know that I will block your vengekill, but the fact remains you are trying to kill 2 ww's and you will now by vengekilling morgrim. So if your ww you are terrible, in fact probably a record for worst player ever, kill off 2 of your teammates.

I have zero reason to believe you.  Zero.  We don't even know if you are Jorbles's lover.  We don't even know if there is a lover at all.

Jorbles died but no one else did.  That says to me that he was an unrequited lover, most likely.  So, Morgrim coming back to life means nothing (he's refused to claim WW, btw) and I possibly kill scum.

So, you claim an unconfirmable claim, add in all sorts of crazy stuff like recruiting and BP and daychat, and hope we all just fall for it.  But a Daychat Nightchat Neighborizing Bulletproof Lover and a Daychat Nightchat Neighborizing Lynchproof Lover?  I mean, come on man.  Read those role names.  THAT IS INSANE.  So you are making some of it up.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:11:10 pm
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:12:52 pm
I think we all know what kind of mod eHalc is.

You are absolutely right.

eHalcyon is quite possibly the smartest mod on f.ds.  I doubt anyone would argue with me on that.  He would have thought through EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE angle before making a decision.  So Razzishi's claim that he solved the game by being recruited?  99.9% impossible, given what we know of eHalcyon.  Mcmc's claim of a Daychat Nightchat Neighborizing Lynchproof Lover?  Doesn't sound like eHalcyon to me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:13:24 pm
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?

I 100% believe your Alarmist Doctor claim.  I know for a fact it is true.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:13:43 pm
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:14:09 pm
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.

This is for the rest of the town to read as I'm sure ash will ignor it and just say I am cult. I am still fine with lynching ash because I am sick of the way he is playing and I know for a fact he is going to hurt the ww's which is my team. That being said I loggically want to lynch spiritbears as I am pretty sure hes not ww.

ppe: I am making ABSOLUTELY ZERO % of that up. Jorbles is my lypchproof ww lover, I am a bulletproof ww lover. We have a neighborhood with day and night chat. I invited robz to it on night 2. That is the end of our adding to the neighborhood as well. Additional information, morgrim is my lynchproof ww lover now that he has replaced jorbles and has acces to the neihborhood.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 11:14:13 pm
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?

No quoting your role PM.  This is just to make it easier with regards to my writing style.  You may claim, you may paraphrase, but you may not quote.

I am going to apply the same thing.  You may paraphrase but you may not quote.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:15:59 pm
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?

I 100% believe your Alarmist Doctor claim.  I know for a fact it is true.

Yes, but how I requested the role might impact the belief in there being scum.

Knowing it was a Bastard game, I sent in like... 15 different bastard roles. The one that contained Alarmist ALSO asked for no Cult in game, because, c'mon, what's more bastardly than that?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 11:16:53 pm
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 08, 2013, 11:17:01 pm
I think we all know what kind of mod eHalc is.

You are absolutely right.

eHalcyon is quite possibly the smartest mod on f.ds.  I doubt anyone would argue with me on that.  He would have thought through EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE angle before making a decision.  So Razzishi's claim that he solved the game by being recruited?  99.9% impossible, given what we know of eHalcyon.  Mcmc's claim of a Daychat Nightchat Neighborizing Lynchproof Lover?  Doesn't sound like eHalcyon to me.

I think you overestimate me, but I appreciate it.  +10 conspiracy points to you.  Also, +20 conspiracy points to joth for his analysis of today's theme song.  Unfortunately, the points are only useful for bolstering your score in "Whose Line Is It Anyway?".
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:17:38 pm
Additional information, morgrim is my lynchproof ww lover now that he has replaced jorbles and has acces to the neihborhood.

Here's the problem.

Jorbles is lynched--he doesn't die.  Mcmc doesn't die.  Okay so far.
Jorbles is nightkilled--he dies and is confirmed to be a lover.  No one else is dead.  Morgrim is resurrected.

So, it looks like Jorbles had no lover.  Because that lover would haved died the moment Jorbles did, before Morgrim was resurrected.  If mcmc is in love with Jorbles to the point where he would suicide upon his death, no way some random Morgzombie keeps him from following through with it.  Lovers die when the other dies.  Arch and I know this from BM5.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:18:30 pm
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.

I am tunneling.  But isn't mcmc?

Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.

Arch, why don't you care?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:18:45 pm
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.

Also this is the last i am posting before bed, This is my original claim which included all the things I have claimed, so ash can stop pretending I added things as I went along. The only thing that changed was the before this I said I didn't know jorbles was ww, after this I confirmed jorbles was ww and morgrim is ww. The reason for this was before I didn't know we were all ww, and I didn't want to out my ww partners.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 11:19:34 pm
I'm leaving now and approve only of ashersky's or one of the Conspiracy Theorists lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 08, 2013, 11:20:51 pm

Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.

Arch, why don't you care?
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You seem to be Cult hunting, so if you're really looking for one I basically came out and said that I recruit people. So kill me instead. I'd of course be ok with you killing mcmcsalot, but I don't think he's a Cult, and I'm the closest thing you've got, right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:21:04 pm
Something is wrong.

Mcmc, Ashersky, drop your argument for a moment and decipher these two posts for me:

Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.

I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.

Why is he twice agreeing with me turning attention on him? Am I reading that correctly? What do you two make of it?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:21:19 pm
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.

I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.

Also this is the last i am posting before bed, This is my original claim which included all the things I have claimed, so ash can stop pretending I added things as I went along. The only thing that changed was the before this I said I didn't know jorbles was ww, after this I confirmed jorbles was ww and morgrim is ww. The reason for this was before I didn't know we were all ww, and I didn't want to out my ww partners.

If you knew Jorbles was a WW all along, you would have been "Masons" and not "Neighbors."  Masons are alignment-confirmed, Neighbors are not.  Another inconsistency.

I guess Neighborizing Lover Masons could be a ridiculous thing.  Arch and I were Lover Masons in BM5.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:21:34 pm
Something is wrong.

Mcmc, Ashersky, drop your argument for a moment and decipher these two posts for me:

Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.

I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.

Why is he twice agreeing with me turning attention on him? Am I reading that correctly? What do you two make of it?

The real Jester?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:22:34 pm
Something is wrong.

Mcmc, Ashersky, drop your argument for a moment and decipher these two posts for me:

Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Exactly.

So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.

I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).
That's the plan.

Why is he twice agreeing with me turning attention on him? Am I reading that correctly? What do you two make of it?

But he's not alone.  He and Razzishi are in this together, except for the weird "I don't know why Arch is lying" stuff.

I don't know.  He seems fine with dying, which means he won't die, or he wants to die to win, or trying to lynch/kill him recruits you, or who knows?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 11:23:10 pm
Additional information, morgrim is my lynchproof ww lover now that he has replaced jorbles and has acces to the neihborhood.

Here's the problem.

Jorbles is lynched--he doesn't die.  Mcmc doesn't die.  Okay so far.
Jorbles is nightkilled--he dies and is confirmed to be a lover.  No one else is dead.  Morgrim is resurrected.

So, it looks like Jorbles had no lover.  Because that lover would haved died the moment Jorbles did, before Morgrim was resurrected.  If mcmc is in love with Jorbles to the point where he would suicide upon his death, no way some random Morgzombie keeps him from following through with it.  Lovers die when the other dies.  Arch and I know this from BM5.
I thought morgrim came back to life and got Jorbles' power when he hammered. Argh. vote: spiritbears
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 11:23:52 pm
Can robz verify mcmc's  claim??? he would know that he got recruited...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:24:24 pm
The spiritbears lynch does have a modicum of sense to it, given he's like the only person to not claim WW.


Can robz verify mcmc's  claim??? he would know that he got recruited...

Robz could, or could like to cover for him, like he did in DS9.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 08, 2013, 11:24:49 pm
Can robz verify mcmc's  claim??? he would know that he got recruited...
One problem: Robz isn't posting.Or online.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 11:25:16 pm
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?

I 100% believe your Alarmist Doctor claim.  I know for a fact it is true.

Yes, but how I requested the role might impact the belief in there being scum.

Knowing it was a Bastard game, I sent in like... 15 different bastard roles. The one that contained Alarmist ALSO asked for no Cult in game, because, c'mon, what's more bastardly than that?
Giving you that role when you specifically asked for no cult with it and then adding a cult?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 08, 2013, 11:26:26 pm
Can robz verify mcmc's  claim??? he would know that he got recruited...
he will be able to confirm as soon as he gets here.

vote: spiritbears
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 08, 2013, 11:28:00 pm
We didn't finish the massclaim, who's turn is it?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:28:26 pm
And yes, Ash, mcmc is tunneling back with you. I'm very much inclined to think you're both terrible lynch choices. I'm much more intrigued by Arch/Eevee/Razz right now, with Spirit/Joth/Axxle behind that. And I'm torn on where to place Mail-mi.

But between Eevee/Arch/Razz - that could be Cult leader + 2 followers. I WAS targeted by something Cult like N1, but I've no idea what. If they ARE a cult, they could hit 4 tonight. Add in Arch pushing hard for You (Veng mcmc) or mcmc himself, and I feel like he's trying to thin the players asap.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:29:28 pm
unvote.

No stupid hammers.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 08, 2013, 11:30:56 pm
We didn't finish the massclaim, who's turn is it?

I don't think it actually started.

And yes, Ash, mcmc is tunneling back with you. I'm very much inclined to think you're both terrible lynch choices. I'm much more intrigued by Arch/Eevee/Razz right now, with Spirit/Joth/Axxle behind that. And I'm torn on where to place Mail-mi.

But between Eevee/Arch/Razz - that could be Cult leader + 2 followers. I WAS targeted by something Cult like N1, but I've no idea what. If they ARE a cult, they could hit 4 tonight. Add in Arch pushing hard for You (Veng mcmc) or mcmc himself, and I feel like he's trying to thin the players asap.

Galz seems to be the voice of reason.  And like yuma, that makes me trust you less.  (half j/k)

The Arch/Eevee/Razz cult also makes sense to me.  But why would Arch push for attention on him?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 11:35:20 pm
The spiritbears lynch does have a modicum of sense to it, given he's like the only person to not claim WW.


Can robz verify mcmc's  claim??? he would know that he got recruited...

Robz could, or could like to cover for him, like he did in DS9.
I neither claimed not not-claimed ww.  I can say for certainty there are quite a few liars in here claiming ww.  With all the crazy claiming going on A real ww might be content to sit back for a snack. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Dsell on April 08, 2013, 11:37:37 pm
Again not caught up but I think massclaim is not smart at this point. We have at minimum one lynch that we're mostly all agreed on, correct (spiritbears)? So we might as well lynch him today and if the lynch isn't clear tomorrow, massclaim then.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 08, 2013, 11:38:18 pm
We didn't finish the massclaim, who's turn is it?

I don't think it actually started.

And yes, Ash, mcmc is tunneling back with you. I'm very much inclined to think you're both terrible lynch choices. I'm much more intrigued by Arch/Eevee/Razz right now, with Spirit/Joth/Axxle behind that. And I'm torn on where to place Mail-mi.

But between Eevee/Arch/Razz - that could be Cult leader + 2 followers. I WAS targeted by something Cult like N1, but I've no idea what. If they ARE a cult, they could hit 4 tonight. Add in Arch pushing hard for You (Veng mcmc) or mcmc himself, and I feel like he's trying to thin the players asap.

Galz seems to be the voice of reason.  And like yuma, that makes me trust you less.  (half j/k)

The Arch/Eevee/Razz cult also makes sense to me.  But why would Arch push for attention on him?
Arch and razz as cult members....certainly.   But why lump Eevee when he's not here to defend himself.  Lots of fake claiming lots of craziness here tonight.   I trust no one.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 08, 2013, 11:38:46 pm
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:51:27 pm
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.

Oh good lord. That's more than I can handle tonight.

I'm turning my phone of. I'll sort through this tomorrow. At least this fills the gap on mail-mi, so if nothing else Joth/Spirit/Axxle are locked as what are officially called "Town".
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 08, 2013, 11:51:58 pm
Off.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 09, 2013, 12:21:35 am
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.

Robz is a WW Mason who got recruited by WW Neighbors (Mcmc)?  The counterclaim is always the real one (see previous games).  Mcmc coming up liar again and again.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 09, 2013, 12:38:56 am
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.

Robz is a WW Mason who got recruited by WW Neighbors (Mcmc)?  The counterclaim is always the real one (see previous games).  Mcmc coming up liar again and again.
Here's what ai think is going on....
There are no "masons". Or "neighbors"
One confirmed ww lover, his lover still out there...
Doubtful any other ww's
Likely a cult exists that is recruiting.  Likely razz was recruited based on me somewhat believing liop.
Which likely requires a cult leader....arch if he's not a sk
Likely there are at least two other groups---
I happen to think vampires are likely one group.
CT seems unlikely given the way razz behaved today.
If there is a CT, can I join you?  Lynch me and recruit me!
And last thought
Suicide is painless....



Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2013, 01:32:25 am
Vote Count 3.4

Archetype (1): Axxle
ashersky (2): Archetype, Morgrim7
mcmcsalot (3): ashersky, liopoil, spiritbears
spiritbears (3): Razzishi, mail-mi, mcmcsalot

Not voting (5): Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, jotheonah, Robz888

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2013, 01:34:34 am
IMPORTANT!

I fully intend to be offline for pretty much all of Tuesday.  To that effect, I am going to actually sign out of f.ds right after this post to mitigate as much temptation as possible.  Have a great day everyone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 08:39:08 am
Again not caught up but I think massclaim is not smart at this point. We have at minimum one lynch that we're mostly all agreed on, correct (spiritbears)? So we might as well lynch him today and if the lynch isn't clear tomorrow, massclaim then.

I agree with this as we all ready have alotof claims, I will get them together now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 09:03:54 am
Acknowledging there are 12 new pages to read, but I don't have the time to do it now. I'll get there though!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 09:42:57 am
Okay here is all the information:

Claims in the order they came

mcmcsalot - Bulletproof Lover, Neighborizer
Galzria - Alarmist Doctor
mcmcsalot - Werewolf
Axxle - 24(werewolf)
Razzishi - Werewolf
Galzria - Werewolf, Cult doctor/Regular Doctor, confirms razzishi is werewolf
Archetype - Werewolf
mcmcsalot - I claim morgrim as Werewolf
morgrim - yeah, sure, whatever(werewolf)
Ashersky - Werewolf, confirms galz is alarmist doctor
Axxle - 24 is omega which is ww for werewolf
Ashersky - vengekill
mail-mi - Werewolf
Razzishi - QT with archetype
Archetype - Werewolf mason with Razzishi
Archetype - Werewolf one shot psychologist(axxle can kill but hasn't yet)
Mail-mi - Werewolf watcher(watched axxle, no one targeted him)
Razzishi - claims arch lied to protect him, He was a CT with SpiritBears, axxle, Jtotheonah. Was recruited by arch to be Werewolf.
Archetype - claims eevee and arch are Werewolf masons that had a one shot masonizer, they recruited razzishi.
Razzishi - confirms eevee is in QT, CT's have one shot revive/recruit, one shot reincarnate(kills user), nk when one left.
Liopoil - confirms arch targeted razzishi night 1
Dsell - Werewolf
Jtotheonah - Werewolf Bomb
Ashersky - confirms galz role claim
Liopoil - Werewolf masons with mail-mi and robz, factional vig, confirms mail-mi watcher, one of liopoil and robz is tracker, the other voyeur. Nighttalk only. Night one vigged morgrim. Targetted arch who targeted razzishi, was targeted by noone. N2 vigged jorbles, targeted axxle, nobody targeted him.

List of Everyone's Role

1. Archetype – Werewolf mason wt. Eevee, one shot Psycologist.
2. Ashersky – Werewolf vengekill
3. Axxle- Werewolf
4. Axxle2 – Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. Dsell - Werewolf
6. Eevee – (werewolf mason wt. Arch)
7. Galzria – Werewolf Alarmist cult/regular Doctor
8. Jorbles – Lynchproof Werewolf Lover
9. Jtotheonah – Werewolf Bomb
10. Liopoil – Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Robz888, Tracker/Voyeur
11. Mail-mi – Werewolf Mason wt. Liopoil & Robz888. Watcher
12. Mcmcsalot – Bulletproof Werewolf Lover, Neighborizer wt. Morgrim(Jorbles) & Robz888
13. Morgrim7 – Hammer changer (lynchproof werewolf lover wt. Mcmc)
14. Robz888 – (Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Liopoil, tracker/voyeur)
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 1

1. Archetype – Targeted Razzishi, recruited to Werewolf
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jtotheonah
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
11. Mail-mi – Vig Morgrim, Watch Archetype who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot
13. Morgrim7 – Dead
14. Robz888 – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 2

1. Archetype – Targeted Axxle, has ability to kill
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2 – Dead
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jorbles
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted ???
11. Mail-mi – Vig Jorbles, Watch Axxle who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot – Neighborized Robz888
13. Morgrim7
14. Robz888 – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted ???
15. Spiritbears
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 09:45:28 am
So far the only night action we have that is a direct contradiction to each other is night 2. Archetype claimed to investigate axxle for the ability to kill, Liopoil/Mail-mi claim they watched nobody target axxle.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 09:52:51 am
Mcmcsalot – Morgrim

Archetype – Razzishi – Eevee

Liopoil – Mail-Mi – Robz888

Also these are the people who have confirmed everything the others said as true, I am going to assume this even though I know not technically. If anyone is going to claim they do not support the claims of another in there group, say so now.

Interesting that our issue is between two groups of 3 people. While the safe thing is to vote spiritbears I'm not sure its the smartest. I think we should figure out which group is lying, also if arch/razz/eevee is telling the truth we have found all the CT.

Last problem is we have a missing NK from night one. Liopoil/mail-mi/robz are the only to claim having a nk, and say they vigged morg and then jorbles. Jorbles was the only nk night 2 and we know are doctor spared noone. Night 1 Galz doctored Joth wh didn't die but someone Nk'd axxle2.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 10:10:13 am

Okay here is all the information:

Claims in the order they came

mcmcsalot - Bulletproof Lover, Neighborizer
Galzria - Alarmist Doctor
mcmcsalot - Werewolf
Axxle - 24(werewolf)
Razzishi - Werewolf
Galzria - Werewolf, Cult doctor/Regular Doctor, confirms razzishi is werewolf
Archetype - Werewolf
mcmcsalot - I claim morgrim as Werewolf
morgrim - yeah, sure, whatever(werewolf)
Ashersky - Werewolf, confirms galz is alarmist doctor
Axxle - 24 is omega which is ww for werewolf
Ashersky - vengekill
mail-mi - Werewolf
Razzishi - QT with archetype
Archetype - Werewolf mason with Razzishi
Archetype - Werewolf one shot psychologist(axxle can kill but hasn't yet)
Mail-mi - Werewolf watcher(watched axxle, no one targeted him)
Razzishi - claims arch lied to protect him, He was a CT with SpiritBears, axxle, Jtotheonah. Was recruited by arch to be Werewolf.
Archetype - claims eevee and arch are Werewolf masons that had a one shot masonizer, they recruited razzishi.
Razzishi - confirms eevee is in QT, CT's have one shot revive/recruit, one shot reincarnate(kills user), nk when one left.
Liopoil - confirms arch targeted razzishi night 1
Dsell - Werewolf
Jtotheonah - Werewolf Bomb
Ashersky - confirms galz role claim
Liopoil - Werewolf masons with mail-mi and robz, factional vig, confirms mail-mi watcher, one of liopoil and robz is tracker, the other voyeur. Nighttalk only. Night one vigged morgrim. Targetted arch who targeted razzishi, was targeted by noone. N2 vigged jorbles, targeted axxle, nobody targeted him.

List of Everyone's Role

1. Archetype – Werewolf mason wt. Eevee
2. Ashersky – Werewolf vengekill
3. Axxle - Werewolf
4. Axxle2 – Town Conspiracy Theorist
5. Dsell - Werewolf
6. Eevee – (werewolf mason wt. Arch)
7. Galzria – Werewolf Alarmist cult/regular Doctor
8. Jorbles – Lynchproof Werewolf Lover
9. Jtotheonah – Werewolf Bomb
10. Liopoil – Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Robz888, Tracker/Voyeur
11. Mail-mi – Werewolf Mason wt. Liopoil & Robz888. Watcher
12. Mcmcsalot – Bulletproof Werewolf Lover, Neighborizer wt. Morgrim(Jorbles) & Robz888
13. Morgrim7 – Hammer changer (lynchproof werewolf lover wt. Mcmc)
14. Robz888 – (Werewolf Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Liopoil, tracker/voyeur)
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 1

1. Archetype – Targeted Razzishi, recruited to Werewolf
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jtotheonah
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
11. Mail-mi – Vig Morgrim, Watch Archetype who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot
13. Morgrim7 – Dead
14. Robz888 – Vig Morgrim, Track/voyeur Archtype who targeted Razzishi
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 2

1. Archetype
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2 – Dead
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jorbles
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted ???
11. Mail-mi – Vig Jorbles, Watch Axxle who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot – Neighborized Robz888
13. Morgrim7
14. Robz888 – Vig Jorbles, Track/voyeur Axxle who targeted ???
15. Spiritbears


apologies everyone, I messed up razzishi said arch lied about being a one shot psychologist. Now arch claims he did not target axxle. I am assuming arch did this because he believes razz who said CT's are axxle, jtotheonah, spiritbears, axxle2 and wanted to get one of them lynched. I think this was a silly way to do think but I understand claiming was weird for everyone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 10:17:22 am
While I was going through I grabbed a few quotes that interested me.

Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.

My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.

So far, claimed/dead WWs:

Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz

Anyone else?  I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win?  And that's insane.  So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?

so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.

mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.

Screw this.  I'm in the wrong group in your list, man.  Also, I confirm Galz is an Alarmist Doctor (but cannot confirm he's a WW).

So then, the sensible thing is WWs need to kill Cultists.

Here's the thing: mcmc is STILL the best lynch, because he has claimed neighborizer, the Cult safe claim.  So let's kill the Cult Leader, who says he's a neighborizer.

yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.

I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult.  I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.

Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.

I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).

Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim.  That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.

Okay these are ashersky playing a very anti WW game while pushing that we need to lynch cult, now this is before the whole CT thing went down. But Ash was the only one while we were all claiming pushing to kill a particular group, and that group wasn't simply non-WW. This just worries me as one of the claims I am not sure I believe. At this point I definitely do not think ashersky is the best lynch, we have more discrepancies to deal with. However I will keep an eye out and be wary of him.

Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.
Galz has you all snowed then.

This is one of a few of SpiritBears post that really claim not WW, this was at the time when many people had come out as ww as a majority.


Lastly, to point out why I hate playing with axxle & axxle2, theres no way with axxle2 being CT, axxle isn't CT. Otherwise he would either be able to identify the scum team immediately or he would not be allowed to identify the scum team. It just doesn't work. I think that evidence along with spirit bears posts mean those two are definitely CT, if thats the case I see no reason not to lynch one of them. SpiritBears hasn't claimed a role, neither has axxle, jtotheonah is a bomb. We have a lynch and a factional vig. Smartest thing it seems is to lynch joth and then nk spirit or axxle. We could lynch spirit or axxle and nk the other as well. Just make sure we don't leave us needing to nk joth. Ash I suggest you move your vig to one of these people. Galz you probably want to doctor morgrim. Because if there is a kill somewhere out there against the ww's, we don't want them killing 2 of us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 10:54:57 am
Caught up!

I confirm everything razzishi and archetype said. Well, I don't know if razzishi lied to us, but my read is he didnt. I think we should lynch spiritbears/joth/axxle.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 09, 2013, 10:58:29 am
Thing is, does having three neighborhoods make sense?

Mcmc/Jorbles + Robz
Archetype/Eevee + Razzishi
Mail-Mi/Robz/Liopoil

And of course then there's:

Axxle/Axxle2/Spiritbears/Joth/Razzishi (which is quite a lot for a "normal" scum team, yes?).

That leaves Morgrim, Ashersky, Dsell and Myself with no affiliations (at game start).

So to break it all up we have groups that look like:

{Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria}-{Morgrim}-{Jorbles, Mcmc}-{Robz}-{Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
{Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit}-{Razzishi}-{Eevee, Archetype}

(Groups with individuals separated where they've been split).

That's 16. If the original CT group are what we consider "scum", that's 5/16 - way too many. Especially if they have a resurrection.

So my guess is that they're town. Actual town. I don't think the WW's have a majority, I think combined scum factions do. But I think that only one scum faction has a NK, and that's {Liopoil, Mail-Mi, Robz}, which makes them likely Vampires (based on kill flavor). Go back and read Mail during (and leading up to) the WW claiming. I'm very doubtful that he is WW. Liopoil showed up late, and Robz has avoided this thread. Now go read Lio's claim. Night Talk (can't meet while sun is up), factional kill (hmm, who has that?), 3 unique powers.... Scummy scum scum in the "traditional" sense here.

Now, the next set of "scum" is Eevee, Arch and Razz. They most likely have no factional kill, but instead just recruit. Razz was quick to claim WW (and my "confirmation" was just that I picked up his breadcrumbs D2, nothing more), so I'm inclined to believe that's what they are. Which is interesting to me... Because I don't think we share the same natural alignment. Not sure here. This group worries me the most though. Cults need to be destroyed.

Lastly in the "group" section is mcmc/Jorbles. I'm not sure what to make of this right now. I don't like the idea of lovers/masons/neighborizers, but I know what Jorbles flipped, and there's been no counter claim on the lover - plus I read you as being genuinely frustrated... In a manner that's difficult to fake.

That leaves all the solo-claims. My guess is that a SK resides here, maybe something more insidious. My belief about the setup at this time is that CT's are town. Unlike most games, they're a minority and know who each other are - but they are town nonetheless. I don't think they have a NK amongst them, but it's possible they have a Vig.

I think there are 3 "other" factions, of mixed type and design floating around. I don't think any team knows the full makeup of their members.

Right now I kind of want to eradicate a possible cult more than anything else. That means {Arche, Eevee, Razz}, but I could see going with {Liopoil, Mail-Mi} instead to confirm their nature. I think the CT's are the smallest of the possible threats (to everybody) right now, so I don't think I support a lynch in that direction.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 11:17:53 am
Interesting thoughts galz.

One thing that I realized through all of this, my pm states, you win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated. It says nothing about being half of the town. Which scum generally is.

I agree mail-mi, liopoil, robz are most likely typical scum vampires that have a nk. Interesting they claim to have tried to kill morgrim night one. When I think it is likely they killed axxle2. This is because there was only there nk night 2, that means they are the only team with an every night nighkill. Sk would have made a kill night one and two so I don't think that exists. The cult being arch/eevee/razz makes sense. arch could have recruited razz night 1 and eevee night 2? Me and jorbles were in fact harmless ww's.

JUST CHECKED NEIGHBORHOOD ROBZ IS NOT WW
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 11:28:16 am
Using your groups.

This is what everyone claimed to be at the start.
Alone to start {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Jorbles, Mcmc}
Group {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorists {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit, Razzishi}
Claim masons {Eevee, Archetype}

This is what we are now
Still alone {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Mcmc, Morgrim}
Vampires {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorist {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit}
Cult {Archetype, Eevee, Razzishi}

There has been one nk each night and we have one claimed nk.
So I think we need to take down vampires first and then hit the cult leader. Any extra nightkills need to be claimed immediately.
If I am left alive at endgame and I prevent the "town" from winning, I will self hammer. Due to the nature of my wincon, I think threats to me just have to be eliminated which would be vampires and probably cult or sk.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 09, 2013, 11:32:53 am
If you ignore a Cult, they win.

There are 14 alive right now, and 3 Cult members.

After lynch and Nk, that's likely 12/4.

Again and you've got 10/5 - half the town.

Now, I'm immune to recruitment, and I can Doc one person each night. Combined with NK targets, maybe we stop one recruitment... But it's still risky business at best.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 11:33:50 am
We are not a cult. Masonry with a single recruit. We wont grow anymore.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 11:34:33 am
Well, being town is new. We thought we were scum trying to find our team at first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 09, 2013, 11:37:42 am
I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 11:39:03 am
I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote
Why do you think this?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 09, 2013, 11:39:53 am
I think we should lynch one of {Arch, Eevee, Razz} today. My preference is Eevee (Arch is too eager to die, Razz came from a different group). We should then direct the Vamp NK at Morgrim (sorry mcmc). This should result in 3 flips and give us a great idea of who's lying and who's not. If the Vamp's don't kill Morgrim, we lynch them sequentially tomorrow and the following days.

This kills a lot of birds with one stone, without crippling any one faction if indeed people are telling the truth.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 09, 2013, 11:40:57 am
I don't like that plan.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 11:41:39 am
What about this:

Alone to start {Ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim}
Werewolf Lovers {Jorbles, Mcmc}
Vampires {Robz, Mail-Mi, Liopoil}
Conspiracy theorists {Axxle, Axxle2, Jotheonah, Spirit, Razzishi}
Werewolf masons {Eevee, Archetype}

This makes ww's 4 out of 16 with one recruit but no nk. Giving 5 out of 16
Vampires are 3 out of 16
Conspiracy theorists are 5 out of 16
4 of you really need to claim what you really are. Morgrim was clearly self aligned to start probably cheese.
Ash/Dsell/Galz, what are you really. This is important to figure out what we need to do.

I am happy killing the vampires off, I am sure they are against my wincon and I think against the other factions wincons too.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 11:43:13 am
I think we should lynch one of {Arch, Eevee, Razz} today. My preference is Eevee (Arch is too eager to die, Razz came from a different group). We should then direct the Vamp NK at Morgrim (sorry mcmc). This should result in 3 flips and give us a great idea of who's lying and who's not. If the Vamp's don't kill Morgrim, we lynch them sequentially tomorrow and the following days.

This kills a lot of birds with one stone, without crippling any one faction if indeed people are telling the truth.

Right so we kill off all the ww's and vampires so your zombie team can win galz? I will prove harmless as the game goes on, I cannot do anything at this point. So why kill me the one to claim ww originally. Everyone claimed ww as well but lets lynch origional most likely ww thats harmless and let all the unkown people remain unkown.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 11:44:56 am
I will vote for one of Robz/mail-mi/liopoil most likely
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 09, 2013, 11:49:05 am
I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with.  Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvote
Why do you think this?
I explained this in my previous post, The only thing we know for sure is that jorbles was ww lover--making there might be one more ww out there.  What followed was a huge string of crazy claiming, with eventually most people claiming ww---with everyone turning on people not claiming.  The whole thing seemed like a giant bandwagon and not likely the true story about what's happening in this town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 09, 2013, 12:00:58 pm
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 12:35:45 pm
So original thought, the monster hunters are the typical mafia, Dunno whats going on with the conspiracy theorists. I think they are the typical town. I think is ww's have no nk and are a neutral alignment. Monster hunters need up dead to win, we need the monster hunters dead to win. Conspiracy theorists may need everyone dead to win, but I'm not sure. That is why I am open to playing this as a town game, if at any point it is apparent ww's need to die for the "town" whether that is CT or something else I will self hammer. I am pretty sure I am harmless though and do not need to die for other factions to win unless they are a scum(killing minority)faction.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 09, 2013, 12:46:13 pm
IMPORTANT!

I fully intend to be offline for pretty much all of Tuesday.  To that effect, I am going to actually sign out of f.ds right after this post to mitigate as much temptation as possible.  Have a great day everyone.


I couldn't stay away... will be around for about 15 minutes and then I will sign out again.  Catching up now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 09, 2013, 01:11:16 pm
My reasoning that CTs are the real scum is that they are the only ones who have the win condition "You win when only your faction is alive."

Heading back to work.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 09, 2013, 06:12:48 pm
Why are we scummier than the CT? if  razzishi is telling the truth they're essenntially scum!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 09, 2013, 06:20:32 pm
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.

I think this means WWs need to kill MHs.  So I would urge us to vote for them as well.

Except Galz makes a good point on the cult winning if that's true.

So, I think we lynch Eevee, NK one of the MHs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 09, 2013, 06:22:18 pm
My reasoning that CTs are the real scum is that they are the only ones who have the win condition "You win when only your faction is alive."

Heading back to work.
...says the cultist
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 07:44:09 pm
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.

I think this means WWs need to kill MHs.  So I would urge us to vote for them as well.

Except Galz makes a good point on the cult winning if that's true.

So, I think we lynch Eevee, NK one of the MHs.

Okay, I like this thinking but I'm still trying to follow, why eevee and not arch? Isn't arch more likely the leader, he targeted razzishi...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 09, 2013, 07:45:09 pm
If the WWs do comprise a majority of the voting bloc, and I'm thinking that some of the claimants are lying (well, at least Axxle and jtotheoanh are), it's pretty important that they not kill any of themselves and instead go after people claiming not-WW.  The monster hunters feel closest to traditional scum in that they are informed as to the others of their identity and they have a night kill, but there's potentially other town on their side - and those other town are probably claiming WW here.  Outside of them, only Spiritbears hasn't claimed WW and has resisted the notion of it altogether.  Any WW claim from SB at this point would be out of self-preservation and not fidelity.  When SB flips you'll see that I'm not making the whole thing up, but there are more important things to deal with.

As to why I'm not actually a cult, consider that I needn't have said that I was recruited, but did so freely.  If I wanted to hide the existence of a cult among us, why would I claim to be recruited and not claim to have always been one?  Why would I announce the entirety of my cult and who recruited me?  Why would I make up a fantastic tale about my previous alignment when I could have just acquiesced to mcmc's lynch without further comment?  I stuck my neck out there to save him because I was fairly certain he was a fellow WW and we needed all the WW votes we could get since we didn't know who each other were outside of our own QTs.

As to why I didn't claim earlier despite having a ton of information, Jorbles flipping revealed to our Masonry that there actually were other WWs out there, and that we were not alone.  Before the flip I pretty much assumed we were the only WWs and that each other group was a different "scum" faction.  In such a scenario outing ourselves would be extremely risky, especially if unprovoked.  We only got a few posts to discuss what the heck was going on after Jorbles' flip before our night-talk QT was officially locked, and I really needed to follow the line of the others to see when exactly I would need to claim.  Arch being called out as a liar pretty much screamed out to me that I needed to, and I was thinking we'd have nearly everyone on our side.  If it was the wrong move, well, sorry.

I have a feeling this game is going to slide more into the territory of Diplomacy: convincing another group to kill someone who is a threat to both of you.  From my viewpoint, "Town" is more menacing to WWs and CTs than the latter are to each other because Town has a NK.  If the WWs and CTs concentrate on taking out the monster-hunters they'll assure one of the two of them (WW/CT) wins.  I can't really say for sure which side would win, as it depends on what the MHs do, but it seems obvious that the MHs are a threat to WWs and of course CTs need everyone else dead.  I may have outed all the CTs, but maybe that just means we can all play nice and not hide anything.

unvote
Vote: mail-mi (or potentially Robz or liopoli)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 07:49:37 pm
Yes the next reply I was going to make was that we have no nk, to use. I am pretty sure the team with the nk does not want to help us. I would like to get the nk faction gone as quickly as possible. Razzishi does make a valid point about it being unlikely that he is a cult member.

Also ash, even if the monster hunters were willing to cooperate, I doubt they will nk themselves.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 09, 2013, 07:54:18 pm
Starting game state:

Alone:  ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim
Lovers: mcmc, Jorbles
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle, Axxle2, Jo, Spirit, Razz
Masons: Eevee, Archetype

Current game state:

(WW) Alone: ashersky (WW), Dsell (WW), Galzria (WW)
(WW) Lover/Neighbor: mcmc (WW),  Jorbles, Morgrim (WW?), Robz (Monster Hunter; NOT WW)
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle, Axxle2, Jo (claims WW bomb), Spiritbears
(WW) Masons: Eevee (WW), Archetype (WW), Razz (claims ex-CT, now WW Mason)



This is a re-hash of mcmc's last grouping, based on Galzria's theory.  It lays out people's QT relationships and "alignments" but NOT roles.  Zero of this is confirmed other than the dead people, I believe, as it is just based on claims.

So, based on claims, there are WW, MH, and CT factions in the game.  There has been exactly one NK per night, and no one has claimed JK/RB, although Galz could have doctored.  But of course, he claims to have doctored the N2 NK, so take that with a grain of salt.

Razz says the CTs have a scum-like NK.  Monster Hunters claim to have a Vig and killed Jorbles.

WWs win when all threats to WWs are dead.  It isn't clear if that's just one faction, or all factions that are non-WW.  It's possible multiple wins are in play here.  Monster Hunters kill monsters, clearly.

Looking at WW claims, we have 7 original WWs, with 2 joining and 1 dead.  It seems most likely to me that the WW Masons group is lying about being WWs, and is in fact the cult (of vampires?).

I want to kill the Monster Hunters to move toward my win condition, but I fear the Cult taking over the town.  How about we lynch a Monster Hunter, then direct their Vig at the Cult?  If they follow through, we can shift focus to the Cult since we'll have confirmation, or keep focus on the Monster Hunters if they don't.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 08:00:21 pm
Starting game state:

Alone:  ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim
Lovers: mcmc, Jorbles
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle, Axxle2, Jo, Spirit, Razz
Masons: Eevee, Archetype

Current game state:

(WW) Alone: ashersky (WW), Dsell (WW), Galzria (WW)
(WW) Lover/Neighbor: mcmc (WW),  Jorbles, Morgrim (WW?), Robz (Monster Hunter; NOT WW)
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle, Axxle2, Jo (claims WW bomb), Spiritbears
(WW) Masons: Eevee (WW), Archetype (WW), Razz (claims ex-CT, now WW Mason)



This is a re-hash of mcmc's last grouping, based on Galzria's theory.  It lays out people's QT relationships and "alignments" but NOT roles.  Zero of this is confirmed other than the dead people, I believe, as it is just based on claims.

So, based on claims, there are WW, MH, and CT factions in the game.  There has been exactly one NK per night, and no one has claimed JK/RB, although Galz could have doctored.  But of course, he claims to have doctored the N2 NK, so take that with a grain of salt.

Razz says the CTs have a scum-like NK.  Monster Hunters claim to have a Vig and killed Jorbles.

WWs win when all threats to WWs are dead.  It isn't clear if that's just one faction, or all factions that are non-WW.  It's possible multiple wins are in play here.  Monster Hunters kill monsters, clearly.

Looking at WW claims, we have 7 original WWs, with 2 joining and 1 dead.  It seems most likely to me that the WW Masons group is lying about being WWs, and is in fact the cult (of vampires?).

I want to kill the Monster Hunters to move toward my win condition, but I fear the Cult taking over the town.  How about we lynch a Monster Hunter, then direct their Vig at the Cult?  If they follow through, we can shift focus to the Cult since we'll have confirmation, or keep focus on the Monster Hunters if they don't.
sounds good to me, also razz claimed that CT only have a nk once there are down to one member. untill then they can revive and recruit one player and reincarnate while sacrificing one player. So we don't need to worry about the nk'ing anyone for awhile.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 09, 2013, 08:03:12 pm
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.

I think this means WWs need to kill MHs.  So I would urge us to vote for them as well.

Except Galz makes a good point on the cult winning if that's true.

So, I think we lynch Eevee, NK one of the MHs.

Okay, I like this thinking but I'm still trying to follow, why eevee and not arch? Isn't arch more likely the leader, he targeted razzishi...

I think the fact that Arch is drawing all the attention makes either 1) not the leader, or 2) someone who gains something when killed.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 09, 2013, 08:51:14 pm
We'll do whatever you want us to with our PRs, exceot vigging ourself.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 09, 2013, 08:57:07 pm
We'll do whatever you want us to with our PRs, exceot vigging ourself.

What are your possible actions?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 09, 2013, 10:02:22 pm
I find the inkling that arch is drawing the attention weaker tha the fact that he was watched target razzishi who is now a part of his group. I strongly believe if that group is a cult arch is the leader and the one we need to kill to get the cult to stop growing. I think that the cult doesn't exist but I understand the need to find out. So we lynch robz, he's not participating. We direct liopoil/mail-mi to vig arch, and probably watch arch, an track eevee. That will give us full knowledge of the suppose cult and trust in the monster hunters. If arch/razz are cult we finish them off, if they are some good faction we turn our attention to the conspiracy theorists of the rest of liopoil and mail-mi depending on who is bad, and as always if we are at a point where we believe the game should be over with a win and I am preventing that we can lynch me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 09, 2013, 11:32:03 pm
Hi, sorry I've been ignoring this game. Traveling for the last few days.

Everything liopoil said about me and him and mail-mi is true.

Everything mcmc says is mostly true--he did indeed recruit me into his night/day chat thing, and Jorbles was there originally, and mcmc did not seem to know Jorbles was evil to begin with, so I would assume mcmc is not actually scum-aligned with Jorbles.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 01:23:33 am
Or we can start nailing CTs instead of WWs!

My recruitment was 1-shot! If you don't believe me, Track me or whatever tonight. I'm 100% syre Eevee and I aren't Cult and 99% sure Razzishi isnt scum.

What hapened to the ashersky lynch? I think that's our best bet for today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 02:07:10 am
Me or Archetype wont be targeting anyone any more, I'm fine with this being verified with tracking.

One small piece of evidence against a cult: I asked to be a cultist, eHalc said "well no, but this is pretty close with the qt and 1shot recruit".
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 02:47:58 am
Me or Archetype wont be targeting anyone any more, I'm fine with this being verified with tracking.

One small piece of evidence against a cult: I asked to be a cultist, eHalc said "well no, but this is pretty close with the qt and 1shot recruit".

By evidence, you mean something you (possibly) completely just made up?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 04:09:26 am
Me or Archetype wont be targeting anyone any more, I'm fine with this being verified with tracking.

One small piece of evidence against a cult: I asked to be a cultist, eHalc said "well no, but this is pretty close with the qt and 1shot recruit".

By evidence, you mean something you (possibly) completely just made up?
Well, evidence to me, arche and razzishi at least, to others too if one of us flips.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 10, 2013, 09:21:25 am
Yea, I don't really think eevee/arch/razz are not a cult but this is why I think we lynch one of mail-mi/liopoil/robz, I suggest robz. We target their nk at one of arch/eevee/razz it seems people wanted eevee. This lets us know they are ww which they claim, and it lets us know the monster hunters are monster hunters and will help us. Then we decide where to go from there.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 10, 2013, 05:20:30 pm
Is everyone afraid to talk now?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 05:55:16 pm
I suggest lynching me, if we're gonna lynch one of us. I'm actually the voyuer, the weakest power of them all. But, we aren't the only NK. We didn't kill Axxle2, we tried to kill Morgrim because we didn't know if he was dead or alive. It didn't work. Glaz, who did you doc for night kill N2?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 06:22:43 pm
I think Galz could kill with his Alarmist Doc power, to be honest.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 06:56:04 pm
Or we can start nailing CTs instead of WWs!

My recruitment was 1-shot! If you don't believe me, Track me or whatever tonight. I'm 100% syre Eevee and I aren't Cult and 99% sure Razzishi isnt scum.

What hapened to the ashersky lynch? I think that's our best bet for today.
I'm 100% sure he is. If you aren't cult, you're vampires.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 06:57:26 pm
Or we can start nailing CTs instead of WWs!

My recruitment was 1-shot! If you don't believe me, Track me or whatever tonight. I'm 100% syre Eevee and I aren't Cult and 99% sure Razzishi isnt scum.

What hapened to the ashersky lynch? I think that's our best bet for today.
I'm 100% sure he is. If you aren't cult, you're vampires.

100% sure who is?  If who isn't cult, who's vampires?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 06:59:36 pm
Raz is scum.  And his scum group are either cultists or vamps. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:02:34 pm
Raz is scum.  And his scum group are either cultists or vamps.
Are we scum with him or is he fooling us?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 10, 2013, 07:05:05 pm
Of course I'm scum.  We're all scum, just for different reasons.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 07:05:28 pm
Raz is scum.  And his scum group are either cultists or vamps.
Are we scum with him or is he fooling us?
That I don't know for sure.  It could be that he has you two snowed.  Or at least you.  Arch has acted along the same lines as raz.  I don't have any scum read on you yet though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 07:07:07 pm
Of course I'm scum.  We're all scum, just for different reasons.
Speaking for your self....how do you feel about this statement Eevee?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:13:28 pm
Of course I'm scum.  We're all scum, just for different reasons.
Speaking for your self....how do you feel about this statement Eevee?
I thought I was scum too! We are werewolves, remember. I thought there'd be a main ww team we should try to assist. That seems to be the case, only werewolves are the town here.

Archetype is 100% the exact same alignment and role than I am. If he is not, eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

We were told razzishi got turned into one of us too. Him independently being scum would mean that eHalcyon lied to us. I'll actually just promise you that if razz is scum, we are too with archetype. He is the same than us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 07:15:57 pm
Ww. Are not town here.  Or did you miss the last 2 pages?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:18:39 pm
Ww. Are not town here.  Or did you miss the last 2 pages?
I think we are. We don't have a kill, we are a part of a bigger ww community (which we assumed was scum, but now it seems it's actually the majority = town)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 07:19:36 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:24:02 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 07:24:59 pm
If you want to lynch one of the MHs, lynch me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 10, 2013, 07:26:15 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.

:(
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 07:32:16 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.
I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.

I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.

To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:33:17 pm
Fine with that.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 07:39:26 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.
I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.

I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.

To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 07:45:53 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.
I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.

I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.

To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?
Exactly, and that's why I don't want to lynch you guys. We're not a threat to you, so hopefully you aren't a threat to us. I'd rather lynch ashsersky than a CT, but a CT if the ashersky lynch isn't going through.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 07:47:22 pm
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?

The difficulty here is that no one knows the definition of "threat" in this game.  In a regular game, the threat to town is mafia.  In a multi-ball game, the threat to town is the scum teams/SKs.  In this game, givn the wording of the wincons as far as I can guesstimate, doesn't allow anyone to know who they need to get rid of.  In those games, scum wincon is "half of town, or nothing can stop that from happening."

My wincon is eliminate all threats to WWs.  Monster Hunters say eliminate all threats to "town."  Have the CTs claims their wincon?

I think the "fairest" way the BM set-up here could be made is that each group is a group of survivors, and we need to kill off EVERYONE else; that is, so there are ONLY WWs alive, or ONLY MHs alive, or ONLY CTs alive.  Because that's how it works with a normal town vs. scum game.  "Eliminate all threats to X" in those instances means literally to kill everyone that isn't town.  So here, we probably have to kill everyone that isn't WWs/MHs/CTs, depending on who you are.

Of course, the limited number of NKs means this game will last longer than Robz Garden Game, unfortunately.  And that is a daunting, depressing idea that makes this game less and less enjoyable.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 07:48:11 pm
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.

I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.
I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.

I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.

To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?
Exactly, and that's why I don't want to lynch you guys. We're not a threat to you, so hopefully you aren't a threat to us. I'd rather lynch ashsersky than a CT, but a CT if the ashersky lynch isn't going through.

You claim to be a WW, and yet you want to lynch the WW who has pointed his Vengekill at the WW lover that is killable and will kill another WW?  That's 3 WWs in one shot for you, Mr. Vampire.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 07:56:52 pm
You claim to be a WW, and yet you want to Vengekill a WW lover that is killable and will kill another WW?  That's 3 WWs in one shot for you, Mr. Vampire.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 07:58:02 pm
You claim to be a WW, and yet you want to lynch the WW who has pointed his have a Vengekill at the WW lover that is killable and will kill another WW?  That's 3 WWs in one shot for you, Mr. Vampire.
FTFY
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 10, 2013, 07:59:50 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 08:01:24 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 08:12:19 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
I think this makes as much sense as anything ....if there are CT's that is.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:12:36 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.

I mean, a Monster Hunter death is helpful, just to see the colored text from the mod.  The WWs have town-style wincons, but we are clearly "scum" in the sense that we don't have the word town in our roles and our text is red.

At this point, suiciding and taking out two more WWs may help the game end, which seems to be an impossible task.  Maybe that's the hidden wincon?  Figure out how to actually end a game with no clear wincons and people that keep coming back to life?  It's an endless game that we can't escape?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 08:13:32 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:14:03 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.

Flavor-wise, you want to kill us, I think.

What color is your role PM in?  Green?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 08:14:46 pm
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?
We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.

Flavor-wise, you want to kill us, I think.

What color is your role PM in?  Green?
Yes.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:17:27 pm

In the sleepy little town of London (which is not in England nor in Ontario, it just happens to have the same name as those more famous cities, get over it), whispers are being whispered.  Rumours are being rumoured.  Troubles are being troubled getting troubling.  They say that there are monsters living here, possibly even masquerading as regular old townies!  Horror of horrors!

Note: the rumours are not clear if these "monsters" are just monstrous human criminals, or creatures of fang or claw or shuffling or ray gun or really, really foul-smelling cheese.  There is some debate.

Now, the town of London cannot allow this.  We have a reputation to uphold!  If our homes are filled with monsters (either literal or metaphorical), then how will we ever make it onto a real map (and one day: the Atlas)?  Our booming tourism industry will suffer terribly!

And so you are gathered, citizens of London, to suss out the riffraff and put them down.  Gently.  Fatally.


Monsters are red, townies are green.  I think those are the only two colors in the game.  So red needs to kill green and green needs to kill red.  Easier to think that way than to use flavor names.  (That is, WW wants to kill MH and CT and MH/CT want to kill WW gest confusing).

Two teams, made up of players with Red roles and Green roles.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:18:46 pm
Also, townies can "put them down" per the flavor, which is a euphemism for killing, which we use in the US for shooting a dog.

NKing WWs is pretty close to shooting a dog.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:20:24 pm
So, I think the real strategy comes down to this:

Fake claiming your color doesn't make any sense anymore.  Claim red or green.  Let's figure out the team numbers.

I think the Red team is probably bigger, given we have no NK.

I think it comes down to math at that point -- can we lynch enough greens to win before they NK us all?

My vengekill is the only kill we have?  Is that right?  If so, Greens won't lynch me, and it's probably easiest for Red to lynch me at mylo so that I can VK a green to win it for red.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 08:20:49 pm
Monsters are red, townies are green.  I think those are the only two colors in the game. 
What about Cult then, hm?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 08:21:10 pm
My vengekill is the only kill we have?  Is that right?  If so, Greens won't lynch me, and it's probably easiest for Red to lynch me at mylo so that I can VK a green to win it for red.
Why don't we do it right now?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:26:13 pm
Monsters are red, townies are green.  I think those are the only two colors in the game. 
What about Cult then, hm?

Seems less likely.

My vengekill is the only kill we have?  Is that right?  If so, Greens won't lynch me, and it's probably easiest for Red to lynch me at mylo so that I can VK a green to win it for red.
Why don't we do it right now?

Because that helps Green.  I want Red to win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 10, 2013, 08:37:52 pm
For all intents and purposes we are scum.  I think the teams are even. we both have a NK (our vigging, and whoever killed axxle2). No cult. we're green.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:48:03 pm
Original Teams:

Red: ashersky, Archetype, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7?
Green: Axxle, Axxle2, jotheonah, liopoil, mail-mi, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears

Teams Currently:

Red: ashersky, Archetype, Dsell, Eevee, Galzria, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7
Green: Axxle, Axxle2, jotheonah, liopoil, mail-mi, Razzishi, Robz888, spiritbears



So, in theory, not knowing what Morgrim was to begin with, we could have started out as 8 vs. 8.  We are now at 7 vs. 7.

We know someone on Red has the ability to kill (Axxle2 on N1) and someone on Green has the ability to kill (Jorbles on N2).  Green has claimed the Jorbles kill (although Galzria is suspect there).

Will someone please claim the Axxle2 kill?

Will Morgrim please confirm what color he was before he died and came back?


If we're at 7 vs. 7 now, and we both have NKs, I think this is a stalemate.  We all unvote and deadline it out, and we get a Happily Ever After double-win (or double-loss).

We can WIFOM with my VK, which happens when I'm killed, so since I don't have to publically announce when I change my target, they can't risk killing me, since if Green NKs me and I VK a Green, plus Red NKs Green, they lose parity and lose the game since we could then lynch.  But if you lynch me and I VK a green, parity is still there and we are still in HEA mode.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 10, 2013, 08:51:40 pm
Trying to break a bastard game with math?  Adorable. ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 08:56:04 pm
Trying to break a bastard game with math?  Adorable. ;)
Lol.  Math is hard!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 08:56:27 pm
Trying to break a bastard game with math?  Adorable. ;)

It's clearly unbreakable.  But it's worth trying to do something to get this game moving toward an end.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 10, 2013, 08:59:00 pm
red
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 08:59:11 pm
Trying to break a bastard game with math?  Adorable. ;)

It's clearly unbreakable.  But it's worth trying to do something to get this game moving toward an end.
Wow.  So impatient!  Clearly not a fan of these long days?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 10, 2013, 09:04:21 pm
Trying to break a bastard game with math?  Adorable. ;)

It's clearly unbreakable.  But it's worth trying to do something to get this game moving toward an end.
Wow.  So impatient!  Clearly not a fan of these long days?

It has nothing to do with long days.  You weren't here for MXI.  Go and try to read that thread, which is like 150 pages long.  That's what I want to avoid.

In a game where none of us knows what it takes to win (or those with clear wincons aren't sharing), I can just see this game degenerating into MXI again.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 10, 2013, 09:21:11 pm
Vote: ash
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 10, 2013, 10:06:57 pm
CTs are 3rd party, Brownish?  They're Town in cop investigations, but that's the extent of their towniness outside of flip.  Mod says their red/green flip will depend on which is more interesting, but I'm wondering if that just depends on whether we're a WW or not (I would flip red, for instance).  None of them have claimed except me claiming who they are, but Axxle2 has died so you know at least the role is out there and have no information about it except that which I have provided to you.  And I could be lying completely because no one else in the CTs wants to stand up and confirm or deny it, but the mod could be lying too for all we know.

We probably have to kill off the entirety of the other factions in order to win.  CTs are the only one where is explicitly says this, but I'm thinking the initial setup was:

3 Town
5 CTs
8 WWs

Town has multiple power roles, including a NK, and know who each other is.  CTs have some slightly weak but potential powerful one-shots, but nothing to really influence the game besides their vote, and they know who each other are and have day chat.  WWs don't know who each other are for the most part and have a mixed bag of powers, some positive, some negative.  This looks fairly well balanced, but has no cause of death attached to Axxle2.  So I'm thinking one of the WWs is kinda a SK, maybe actually a Vampire but is monster-aligned.  (I'm thinking Jorbles died because he was a target of both night kills and had only one doctor save.)  This gives WWs a NK, but the killer doesn't have a clue who is on their team whereas Town at least knows 2 others they don't want to kill, and their kill might not even work against non-monsters.

What I think is fairly certain is that we need to lynch Town (Robz, liopoli, mail-mi).  They are the larger threat of the two to both CTs and WWs.  My vote is already on mail-mi, who has offered to be lynched.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 10:25:40 pm
I still really don't think that we are your enemies. I think we need to get rid of the CT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 10:28:09 pm
I still really don't think that we are your enemies. I think we need to get rid of the CT.
I agree. But you three have to kill a CT as well.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 10:28:48 pm
Does Bomb blow up on lynch? OR just on NK?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 10:29:36 pm
Does Bomb blow up on lynch? OR just on NK?
NK, but he's not a Bomb.

...right Razzishi?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 10:31:40 pm
Talking about jtothe. We may want to lynch him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 10:38:46 pm
I still really don't think that we are your enemies. I think we need to get rid of the CT.
I think the only thing we have somewhat verified is that Arch converted Raz (from what to what???).  That has got to make you uneasy if you truly are a "monster hunter" or town.
The other thing we know is that Raz has spun one long tail after another and gotten people to jump on his wagons like crazy.   Eevee continues to stick up for Arch (but not 100% Raz).  That makes it likely he doesn't completely trust their convert (you know what else converts at night???? Vampires!)....so did the bite not take 100%.   Did the brainwashing not hold 100%? 
One thing is clear....Raz and his continuously hanging stories is just not trustworthy. 
vote: Raz


Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 10, 2013, 10:42:06 pm
I'm with you ash, we lynch joth, so his bomb cannot do anything, we have the monster hunters nk spiritbears. if the monster hunters don't nk a CT, then we lynch them all immediatly.

vote: jtotheonah when we are down to just claimed ww's and monster hunters we lynch one of the monsterhunters and have them nk one of razz/arch/eevee. Depending on flips we go from there.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 10:46:40 pm
("Changing not "hanging")
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 10:47:29 pm
vote: jotheonah
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 10, 2013, 10:48:50 pm
I'm with you ash, we lynch joth, so his bomb cannot do anything, we have the monster hunters nk spiritbears. if the monster hunters don't nk a CT, then we lynch them all immediatly.

vote: jtotheonah when we are down to just claimed ww's and monster hunters we lynch one of the monsterhunters and have them nk one of razz/arch/eevee. Depending on flips we go from there.
I'm fine with that plan...up until the part where the Monster Hunters NK one of us. But I guess I'll have to convince you guys further that we really aren't a Cult.

vote: jotheonah


I'll vote for any of the CTs, but I guess jotheonah is the one we lynch, even though I don't believe his Bomb claim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 10, 2013, 10:55:16 pm
I'm with you ash, we lynch joth, so his bomb cannot do anything, we have the monster hunters nk spiritbears. if the monster hunters don't nk a CT, then we lynch them all immediatly.

vote: jtotheonah when we are down to just claimed ww's and monster hunters we lynch one of the monsterhunters and have them nk one of razz/arch/eevee. Depending on flips we go from there.
I'm fine with that plan...up until the part where the Monster Hunters NK one of us. But I guess I'll have to convince you guys further that we really aren't a Cult.

vote: jotheonah


I'll vote for any of the CTs, but I guess jotheonah is the one we lynch, even though I don't believe his Bomb claim.

exactly, if you are ww at that stage one hit isn't going to be a bad thing.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 10, 2013, 10:56:06 pm
I also don't believe his bomb claim and would be okay with lynching spiritbears, but bomb could be covering up for a stronger power to not get nk'd
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 10, 2013, 11:14:44 pm
vote: jotheonah
That might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies  of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin.  I don't get where you're coming from.  Are you suffering from delusions perhaps?  Is there something in the water?  Airborne pathogen?  Or blood born....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 10, 2013, 11:19:46 pm
vote: jotheonah
That might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies  of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin.  I don't get where you're coming from.  Are you suffering from delusions perhaps?  Is there something in the water?  Airborne pathogen?  Or blood born....
Razz's story is making spence. Other people (that arent CTs) are the only ones disagreeing with her (aka you). Since Galzs talk about Jorbles, I think that the werewolves aren't the monsters. In the OP of my QT, it says that not all monsters are monsters (literal).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 10, 2013, 11:28:13 pm
My PM shows red WW Alarmist Doctor, however it also says that despite being a WW I'm actually a pretty nice guy just looking for done piece and quiet. It specifically says that most people are probably trustworthy, but that I should never trust a Zombie. Interestingly, my PM also mentions how annoying it is that so many of my neighbors are crazy Conspiracy Theorists (uncolored text) - but then goes on to say that maybe they aren't all really crazy.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 10, 2013, 11:28:56 pm
And again, done = some.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 12:47:22 am
vote: jotheonah
That might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies  of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin.  I don't get where you're coming from.  Are you suffering from delusions perhaps?  Is there something in the water?  Airborne pathogen?  Or blood born....
Razz's story is making spence. Other people (that arent CTs) are the only ones disagreeing with her (aka you). Since Galzs talk about Jorbles, I think that the werewolves aren't the monsters. In the OP of my QT, it says that not all monsters are monsters (literal).
let's suppose  Raz has gone "wrong in the head" or "is under the influence of someone/thing powerful" or is just otherwise delusional, or what if you knew she had secretly tried to get everyone to claim ww as cover for a much darker plan.....would you still be willing to risk following her?
You do realize if I'm right and you are backing a wolf in sheep's clothing, it could spell a very untimely loss for the town....
Instead of looking at colors---let's just pretend there are 3 or four factions in this town....fairly evenly split.  Instead of carefully trying to IDENTIFY which factions are naturally (or artificially) aligned you just eliminate one faction all together....in the case of CT, a faction with no night kill (I'm not aware of any allegation to the contrary)....which will make you quick work for the SK and vamps or zombies.

I don't think I'm the only one questioning this delusional tale that seems to change whenever the wind shifts.  But there just aren't that many people on here today to voice an opinion.

Here's the thing:  I think I might be naturally aligned with the monster hunting gang.  But I don't know for sure.  I don't think you do either.  I dont think Jto has been around enough to get a good sense of where he lies.  If he is a bomb (I don't know what that really means).  That's an awe fully big risk.   And it would be an even bigger mistake to throw the game on he word of a delusional person.




Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 12:55:29 am
Razzishi is telling the truth SB, and you're seeming scum ise and scummier for disagreeing with them.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 01:01:02 am
Cease. Halt. Desist.

Let me read the thread. I will have many words soon.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2013, 01:07:24 am
Cease. Halt. Desist.

Let me read the thread. I will have many words soon.

You need to check the Lingo thread.  It's S.H.D.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 01:12:12 am
Ok, I'm not really a bomb. I'm a Conspiracy Theorist-aligned Conspiracy Theorist., along with the people Razz mentioned and Morgrim, on whom we used our 1-shot revive and recruit after he died.

Razz has been telling half-truths. We have been keeping quiet because we couldn't make a plan in our damned compromised QT and no one wanted to ruin it for the rest of the team.

So true things: We are all CTs and have daychat together.

False things Razz said:
- We have a nightkill. WE DO NOT HAVE AN NK OF ANY KIND.
- We are a weird third color. WE ARE GREEN. (and as far as we have been able to work out, town-aligned)
- We have a scum win con. WE WIN WHEN ALL THREATS TO CTs ARE ELIMINATED.

That's the only win con that makes any sense for us, because we don't have a nightkill.

"That's all very well and good Joth, but how can you prove it?"

Well, you could kill one of us and our flip might prove some of those things. You could kill all of us and the lack of a decline in nightkills could prove some things. If there are cops, they could investigate us and prove things. But we are literally harmless at this point. We're masons, I guess. We have no nightkill and we already used our revive and recruit.

Exactly how out to get us Razz is, though, suggests that the WWs, or at least some of them, have a more malicious win con than they have let on.

So I'm happy to Vote: Razzishi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 01:13:36 am
Why did I lie? I got scared and panicked. I thought "shit, what if we really are scum?" And then I thought bomb would discourage lynching, but I forgot it's only a NK discouraging thing.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 11, 2013, 01:18:06 am
vote: jotheonah

I came back from the dead on my own accord. Nobody helped me. Ehal told me that I could get back only if I hammered while dead. Very specific.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 01:20:04 am
…or you want Razz lynched to regain control of your QT. Lynch me instead of him if you're worried about our group being evil or something.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 01:34:44 am
Unfortunately. [I say unfortunately because I really really hate being forced to full claim like this], what Jto says is all true.  Raz statements about us contain a mixture of truth, half-truths and out and outright lies.  In the Qt he claimed he was doing this so he could "win all on his own." (Beware arch and Eevee, she is still trying to play both sides!).
 I remain extremely dubious of her ww claim precisely because I'm the one that planted the idea of her being a ww spy.  Minutes later she claimed precisely that...but not after trying to convince us all to pretend to be ww's too.  I think she is under some kind of affliction.   But I don't know what.  I know Arch is attacking me for exposing this about Raz, but I expected as much.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 01:39:21 am
vote: jotheonah

I came back from the dead on my own accord. Nobody helped me. Ehal told me that I could get back only if I hammered while dead. Very specific.
Morg, you know what you know and we know what we know.  I know you are a special kind of creature for sure and until we get more info from eHal, there's no way to know exactly why it went down that way. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 02:59:41 am
Vote: joth

Razzishi's setup theories make the most sense to me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 09:02:54 am
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 11, 2013, 09:56:43 am
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Axxle2, a CT, was nightkilled.  We didn't do that, we're town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 09:58:45 am
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Axxle2, a CT, was nightkilled.  We didn't do that, we're town.

This is an excellent point.

Re: Morgrim. Maybe his own power overrided our revive and recruit? I know we used it, and we've been led to believe he has access to our QT, though he hasn't posted in it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 11, 2013, 10:04:30 am
I do not have access to your QT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 11, 2013, 10:36:40 am
I know how to test! One sec.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Axxle on April 11, 2013, 11:39:43 am
Did you check our QT Morg?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 12:25:26 pm
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 01:24:40 pm
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
What an incredibly conveniently unprovable claim from Razz. Whodda thunk it?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 01:33:32 pm
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.
Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
What an incredibly conveniently unprovable claim from Razz. Whodda thunk it?
What are you saying? If he is lying to me, then that means he is still with you guys.. why would he make that lie in that case? I don't follow.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 03:47:31 pm
Razz is clearly telling half truths. He's (wait - she?) clearly not with us anymore, but I rather suspect they're not with anyone. Razz has some wincon that involves convincing the town to lynch her former allies. Is what I'm saying. And Razz will say anything to get you to do that. Which is exactly why you shouldn't.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 03:55:44 pm
Razz is clearly telling half truths. He's (wait - she?) clearly not with us anymore, but I rather suspect they're not with anyone. Razz has some wincon that involves convincing the town to lynch her former allies. Is what I'm saying. And Razz will say anything to get you to do that. Which is exactly why you shouldn't.
We were told we can recruit someone to be a part of our team. We recruitted Razzishi. How could he (I'm actually not sure either! I should know this, been trying to avoid the subject to see if someone else uses one or another confidently) have some wincon that's different from ours/yours? What could have happened? Seems pretty clear he is with us, as he got turned into a werewolf. He could still be playing to your wincon if he particularly likes you lot, but I dont think thats very likely at all. I'm pretty confident Razzishi is just as commited to our team than me and Archetype.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 04:23:18 pm
Raz is playing you just like s/he played us.  Why try to convince us all to claim ww?  That doesn't help you if you're real ww's. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 04:25:28 pm
Raz is playing you just like s/he played us.  Why try to convince us all to claim ww?  That doesn't help you if you're real ww's.
Again, explain to me how it's possible Razzishi is something I'm not? HE CANT AT THE SAME TIME PLAY AGAINST OUR TEAM AND JOTH'S TEAM, ITS EITHER OR.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 04:47:43 pm
Raz is playing you just like s/he played us.  Why try to convince us all to claim ww?  That doesn't help you if you're real ww's.
Again, explain to me how it's possible Razzishi is something I'm not? HE CANT AT THE SAME TIME PLAY AGAINST OUR TEAM AND JOTH'S TEAM, ITS EITHER OR.
It's perfectly possible.  And as he explained to us when she decided to play traitor:  s/he is in it to win all by him/herself.  Raz thinks s/he can play us off against you, we both wipe each other out and he wins on some other win/con.  That's how I know Raz is true scum.  Trying to sell us out to you while trying to sell you out to us.    Either that or s/he is just not right in the head or under the influence of someone/thing. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 04:57:09 pm
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 05:04:21 pm
Well...maybe we have just discovered who is controlling Raz....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 05:06:48 pm
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!
Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's.  I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 05:16:24 pm
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!
Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's.  I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 05:25:51 pm
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!
Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's.  I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!
Are you saying ww's are a threat to ct?  If he's so happy with you why then undermine your efforts?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 11, 2013, 05:29:53 pm
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!
Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's.  I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!
Are you saying ww's are a threat to ct?  If he's so happy with you why then undermine your efforts?
I think you are a threat to us, yes. I think you are scum!

We thought we were scum, so obviously had some incentive to lie.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 11, 2013, 06:55:53 pm
I am male.  I think the OP of every mafia game from this point forward needs to have everyone's preferred pronoun gender.  I've been very cautious and used too many "they"s this game for my taste.

Not much to say over here other than I have been 100% honest this Day, if not the entire game (I'm not going to go back and make sure I didn't say something that was to my knowledge factually incorrect, but I don't remember intentionally lying).  I'm very leery of getting rid of CTs before Town though, just in case Town decides to hunt us down afterward, mainly because I don't trust several of the WW claims.  Now, Town does have a lot of power and seems to be styled like scum, so I guess it's possible there's no one else on their side, but many of the WW claims look like the CTs' WW claims to me.  The only ones I really know are Arch and eevee, and I'm nearly 100% on mcmc, but everyone else I'm somewhat suspecting of.  In addition, there's still an unclaimed kill on Axxle2 and a known WW lover pair, making it possible that even if the majority is currently WW that it might not stay that way for long.  Smooth acquiescence from the Town side of everything going on (unlike the CTs heavily resisting) makes me think they have something extra up their sleeves.  Of course, maybe it is because they were told that "not all monsters are monsters", but I feel that's a bit too convenient to add in this late.

I will be glad to vote for a CT once Town agrees to NK another CT.  For now my vote stays on mail-mi.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 08:16:23 pm
My apologies on the gender confusion Raz.  I got confused when I saw you being referred to as she, and then wasn't sure.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 11, 2013, 08:28:35 pm
So anyway. Can I suggest that lynching Razz would eliminate a lot of uncertainty and leave us with nice clear battle lines tomorrow?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 11, 2013, 09:23:37 pm
So anyway. Can I suggest that lynching Razz would eliminate a lot of uncertainty and leave us with nice clear battle lines tomorrow?

He could flip ct and give us no information, he could flip ww and give us a decent amount of information, but the same as lynching arch or eevee which would give better information. There is no reason to doubt he is CT or same alignment as arch/eevee. So finding out arch/eevee alignment is better and personally I think finding out mail-mi/liopoil/robz alignment is also informative. So really I would lynch/have an nk directed at one of arch/eevee, joth/SB/axxle/dsell, mail-mi/liopoil/robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 09:24:53 pm
I too would rather lynch myself or Eevee over razishi. Lynching razzishi helps the CTs too much.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 11, 2013, 09:28:27 pm
had to go back and check currently on a CT and believe a nk at either eevee/arch is good to confirm there alignment. Then we clear out the CT's or eevee/arch/razz depending on flips. Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.

I too would rather lynch myself or Eevee over razishi. Lynching razzishi helps the CTs too much.

I agree, sorry I do think your a fun player and being helpful but you're the one who recruited razz, if you guys are a dangerous cult, you're the one we need to take out and the person I suggest gets nightkilled.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2013, 09:35:00 pm
Galzria worries me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 11, 2013, 09:46:52 pm
had to go back and check currently on a CT and believe a nk at either eevee/arch is good to confirm there alignment. Then we clear out the CT's or eevee/arch/razz depending on flips. Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.

I too would rather lynch myself or Eevee over razishi. Lynching razzishi helps the CTs too much.

I agree, sorry I do think your a fun player and being helpful but you're the one who recruited razz, if you guys are a dangerous cult, you're the one we need to take out and the person I suggest gets nightkilled.
How does a nightkill give any of us any info(except the SK/vamps/zombies that did the kill)?  Only helps the faction doin the nightkills. (Which is undeniably not CT since we were targeted). Arch keeps begging to be lynched, so I bet he has some power that will be activated.  I can't for the life of me see how lynching raz helps ct...it helps town in that eliminates a threat.  But like I said he's playing both sides trying to get some wincon on his own. But that group (I think it's pretty well established) targeted and turned Raz.  That makes them a threat to not only ct, but town/MH as well.  I agree we get the most info by lunching one of them.  I'd prefer it to be Raz, but will go along with an Eevee lynch if there's consensus.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 11, 2013, 09:48:11 pm
Galzria worries me.

In what way, I think the solo people may be misconstruing there roles or alignments but I think it's something that will easily be discovered as time goes on, I think the factions are the things we need to deal with as of now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 09:58:43 pm
the life of me see how lynching raz helps ct
He has access to the QT. The chatting has been compromised.

Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.
I'm against it, but I guess I would be, wouldn't I?

I think we should lynch a CT, and have the Monster Hunters kill ashersky. I don't think he is a WW, but is instead the SK. If I'm wrong, then the next day you guys can go ahead and lynch me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2013, 10:13:24 pm
the life of me see how lynching raz helps ct
He has access to the QT. The chatting has been compromised.

Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.
I'm against it, but I guess I would be, wouldn't I?

I think we should lynch a CT, and have the Monster Hunters kill ashersky. I don't think he is a WW, but is instead the SK. If I'm wrong, then the next day you guys can go ahead and lynch me.

You really want to die, and that's wierd.  Why do you assume there is an SK?  Probably because you are the SK?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 11, 2013, 10:14:37 pm
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 10:18:40 pm
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.
Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.

I really think vigging ashersky is the best way to do this.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 11, 2013, 10:21:45 pm
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.
Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.

I really think vigging ashersky is the best way to do this.

I can easily VK you, Arch, but you really want to die.  That's very odd to me.  I'll probably try to VK whoever I think will be most missed by everyone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Archetype on April 11, 2013, 10:23:01 pm
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.
Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.

I really think vigging ashersky is the best way to do this.

I can easily VK you, Arch, but you really want to die.  That's very odd to me.  I'll probably try to VK whoever I think will be most missed by everyone.
WIFOM

I do want to die, you're right. The reason, I'll keep hidden for now, but I still don't trust your vengekill.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 12, 2013, 02:01:03 am
I am pretty overwhelmed with this game.

Can someone like summarize what is going on?

Actually, I only care what my fellow masons, mail-mi and liopoil, have to say. I will also listen to my neighbor, mcmcsalot, whom I believe to be town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 12, 2013, 06:34:47 am
Everyone claims. nobody has a clue who's on their team, even though we claimed alignments.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: jotheonah on April 12, 2013, 09:29:31 am
+1. This is a deliciously bastardly setup, but I think we've reached some sort of bizarre Mexican standoff.

Maybe if someone could summarize the public knowledge, accusations, confirmations of each faction then we could maybe sort out a best lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 12, 2013, 09:38:48 am
I did this ill quote them to bring them up. I found all the claims in order, and all the night actions claimed, an a list of everyone's claimed role. Based on this info I think Joth lynch night kill directed at archetype is a good plan.

Also I have gone back to rerea my pm, I think monster hunters and me can win together, I was informed of people hunting the monsters about town but I was told that I dot know whether they are looking for people like me or real monsters(vampire/zombie) and evil humans(CT)

This is why I want a CT lynch and an arch night kill to see if we need to finish off eevee and razz or not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 12, 2013, 09:52:14 am
Okay here is all the information:

Claims in the order they came

mcmcsalot - Bulletproof Lover, Neighborizer
Galzria - Alarmist Doctor
mcmcsalot - Werewolf
Axxle - 24(werewolf)
Razzishi - Werewolf
Galzria - Werewolf, Cult doctor/Regular Doctor, confirms razzishi is werewolf
Archetype - Werewolf
mcmcsalot - I claim morgrim as Werewolf
morgrim - yeah, sure, whatever(werewolf)
Ashersky - Werewolf, confirms galz is alarmist doctor
Axxle - 24 is omega which is ww for werewolf
Ashersky - vengekill
mail-mi - Werewolf
Razzishi - QT with archetype
Archetype - Werewolf mason with Razzishi
Archetype - Werewolf one shot psychologist(axxle can kill but hasn't yet)
Mail-mi - Werewolf watcher(watched axxle, no one targeted him)
Razzishi - claims arch lied to protect him, He was a CT with SpiritBears, axxle, Jtotheonah. Was recruited by arch to be Werewolf.
Archetype - claims eevee and arch are Werewolf masons that had a one shot masonizer, they recruited razzishi.
Razzishi - confirms eevee is in QT, CT's have one shot revive/recruit, one shot reincarnate(kills user), nk when one left.
Liopoil - confirms arch targeted razzishi night 1
Dsell - Werewolf
Jtotheonah - Werewolf Bomb
Ashersky - confirms galz role claim
Liopoil - Werewolf masons with mail-mi and robz, factional vig, confirms mail-mi watcher, one of liopoil and robz is tracker, the other voyeur. Nighttalk only. Night one vigged morgrim. Targetted arch who targeted razzishi, was targeted by noone. N2 vigged jorbles, targeted axxle, nobody targeted him.
Liopoil/mail-mi/robz reveal they are monster hunters but have the same roles and actions.
The group of conspiracy theorist that razz mentioned have now claimed that.
Mail-mi claims he is the voyeur so if one MH must die it should be him.
Jotheonah has claimed he is not a bomb.

List of Everyone's Role

1. Archetype – Werewolf mason wt. Eevee
2. Ashersky – Werewolf vengekill
3. Axxle - Conspiracy Theorist
4. Axxle2 – Conspiracy Theorist
5. Dsell - Werewolf
6. Eevee – (werewolf mason wt. Arch)
7. Galzria – Werewolf Alarmist cult/regular Doctor
8. Jorbles – Lynchproof Werewolf Lover
9. Jtotheonah – Conspiracy theorist
10. Liopoil – Monster hunter Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Robz888, Tracker/Watcher
11. Mail-mi – Monster hunter Mason wt. Liopoil & Robz888. Voyeur
12. Mcmcsalot – Bulletproof Werewolf Lover, Neighborizer wt. Morgrim(Jorbles) & Robz888
13. Morgrim7 – Hammer changer (lynchproof werewolf lover wt. Mcmc)
14. Robz888 – Monster hunter Mason wt. Mail-Mi & Liopoil, Tracker/Watcher
15. Spiritbears - Conspiracy theorist

Night Actions From Night 1

1. Archetype – Targeted Razzishi, recruited to Werewolf
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jtotheonah
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Morgrim, Track/watch Archtype who targeted Razzishi
11. Mail-mi – Vig Morgrim, Voyeur Archetype who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot
13. Morgrim7 – Dead
14. Robz888 – Vig Morgrim, Track/watch Archtype who targeted Razzishi
15. Spiritbears

Night Actions From Night 2

1. Archetype
2. Ashersky
3. Axxle
4. Axxle2 – Dead
5. Dsell
6. Eevee
7. Galzria – Doctored Jorbles
8. Jorbles
9. Jtotheonah
10. Liopoil – Vig Jorbles, Track/watch Axxle who targeted ???
11. Mail-mi – Vig Jorbles, Voyeur Axxle who was targeted by no one
12. Mcmcsalot – Neighborized Robz888
13. Morgrim7
14. Robz888 – Vig Jorbles, Track/watch Axxle who targeted ???
15. Spiritbears

So here's he updated list, upon retreading some stuff the monster hunters posted I actually think we can win together. I think we need to lynch jotheonah to start killing the CT's and a night kill directed at arch to see if he is lyning about being a ww or not. After that we clean out the CT's and deal with eevee/razz as needed. Then we go from there, I'm sure lots more craziness will happen.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 12, 2013, 10:28:21 am
What a convenient list MC----never mind all the holes eh?
Here's the thing. All of you town out there: ct was targeted for night kill and was in fact nightkilled.  All of you "monster hunters" and "townsfolk" should think on that.  Of course vamps, zombies, cultist that perform nightkills want ct out of the way----way easier to kill off town that way. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 12, 2013, 01:23:51 pm
Vote Count 3.5

ashersky (1): Axxle
jotheonah (4): mcmcsalot, mail-mi, Archetype, Morgrim7
mail-mi (1): Razzishi
mcmcsalot (2): ashersky, liopoil
Razzishi (2): spiritbears, jotheonah
spiritbears (1): Eevee

Not voting (3) Dsell, Galzria, Robz888, yuma

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

hard deadline is Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT


NOTE: yuma will be tagging this thread to spectate.  Apparently last time he did so, the players got upset that a non-player was posting in their thread.  I think that's kind of ridiculous, but whatever.  This is your warning.  When yuma posts to tag, you can just ignore it.  He is just spectating.  He is not a player.  OK?  OK.  Not a player.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: yuma on April 12, 2013, 01:48:43 pm
tag, you are it
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 12, 2013, 02:31:44 pm
Alright, I am NOT a werewolf. I have no idea why everyone is saying they are werewolves. But I assume werewolves = scum, yes? Why would you admit to being werwolves? I'm so confused.

Well, mcmcsalot confessed to me that he is a werewolf, so I suppose I will vote: mcmcsalot
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 12, 2013, 03:11:59 pm
Alright, I am NOT a werewolf. I have no idea why everyone is saying they are werewolves. But I assume werewolves = scum, yes? Why would you admit to being werwolves? I'm so confused.

Well, mcmcsalot confessed to me that he is a werewolf, so I suppose I will vote: mcmcsalot

You missed so much...you understand your partners believe that you can win with me an that we should instead be dealing with one of the two factions that are not dangerous(CT's and potentially arch/eevee/razz) ww's are the majority in this situation. If you refuse to cooperate we are going to lynch the three of you immediately. Also I have said a million times morg and me are harmless lovers, and if a time comes where we realize people have lied and we are in fact a scum minority preventing others from winning I will self vote.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 12, 2013, 03:12:46 pm
Alright, I am NOT a werewolf. I have no idea why everyone is saying they are werewolves. But I assume werewolves = scum, yes? Why would you admit to being werwolves? I'm so confused.

Well, mcmcsalot confessed to me that he is a werewolf, so I suppose I will vote: mcmcsalot

You missed so much...you understand your partners believe that you can win with me an that we should instead be dealing with one of the two factions that are not dangerous(CT's and potentially arch/eevee/razz) ww's are the majority in this situation. If you refuse to cooperate we are going to lynch the three of you immediately. Also I have said a million times morg and me are harmless lovers, and if a time comes where we realize people have lied and we are in fact a scum minority preventing others from winning I will self vote.
He speaks the truth
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 12, 2013, 03:14:33 pm
I don't believe you, scum. And don't threaten me!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 12, 2013, 06:10:51 pm
I don't believe you, scum. And don't threaten me!
Well seeing as you are contradicting your partners I think I am allowed to threaten you. We are in a bit of a crazy standoff with most people claiming ww, 7 out of 14 people have claimed ww. So while I enjoy the cooperation of the monster hunters an seek a peaceful end together, you have a nk an I do not, it is not a threat but cooperation from your faction is necessary, if you refuse there is no reason for us to cooperate with an enemy faction claiming a nk.

I would love it if the other ww's would either join me in my plan, lynch Joth with the night kill directed at arch. Or voice a new one.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 12, 2013, 06:26:41 pm
I am a Monster Hunter and you are a Monster.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 12, 2013, 07:26:04 pm
I Think some people ckaiming WW are lying and that WWs are actually scum. I am willing to use our powers however you all like, If you can get a majority of the town to agree.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 12, 2013, 07:42:51 pm
I am asking all true non-WWs to join together to eliminate the scum faction.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 12, 2013, 07:51:11 pm
vote: Yuma for lurking and not claiming.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 12, 2013, 07:51:20 pm
vote: jotheonah

No one else seems to be interested at going after the group with the claimed NK and we need the CTs dead, so I'm fine with this.  I don't approve of the suggestion to kill one of my fellow Masons for obvious reasons, but I guess everyone will feel a bit more at ease when it happens and there's not much I can do about it if people are really still concerned about a cult.  I suppose you can count me in on agreeing to it for diplomatic reasons, but I fear it's leading down a path to a Town win.  Of course, since it's Town making the kill I suppose they're just fine with that.  I just hope we can share victory with Town. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 12, 2013, 09:15:29 pm
I am asking all true non-WWs to join together to eliminate the scum faction.
I am with you as I believe all true CT. (Sorry Raz, you can't be with the scum ww's and us too).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 12, 2013, 09:28:17 pm
vote: jotheonah

No one else seems to be interested at going after the group with the claimed NK and we need the CTs dead, so I'm fine with this.  I don't approve of the suggestion to kill one of my fellow Masons for obvious reasons, but I guess everyone will feel a bit more at ease when it happens and there's not much I can do about it if people are really still concerned about a cult.  I suppose you can count me in on agreeing to it for diplomatic reasons, but I fear it's leading down a path to a Town win.  Of course, since it's Town making the kill I suppose they're just fine with that.  I just hope we can share victory with Town.
This is just such utter nonsense.  So..."we need to get the people with a nightkill, so kill someone from the victim group????!!!!"  (Even all the while in the qt, you talk about "leading ct to victory" while proclaiming your loyalty to arch and ev). 
I said before, I knew without a doubt you were scum, and you not only don't deny it, you relish it.  You are not town, in fact you tried to convince CT that we were scum and come along with your little cult that is brainwashing you. 
You are not town, you are a threat to town which is why I voted for you.  That said, if town unwilling to "put you down", we need to lynch scum (red), if monster hunters want to band together with us and try to take MC down, I will agree.  (He was my original vote, and I return it now:  unvote; vote:MC (with a silver voting pen)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 12, 2013, 09:42:54 pm
For once, someone lies in their QT and tells the truth in the game thread.  Isn't this game hilarious?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Razzishi on April 13, 2013, 08:11:50 pm
I feel the need to state that my forum title is currently Conspirator.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 13, 2013, 08:22:59 pm
I feel the need to state that my forum title is currently Conspirator.
lol vote: razz the forum does not tell lies!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 13, 2013, 10:53:13 pm
There are too many WW. I think many of them are lying, and the WW are actually a scum faction. Also, we need fullclaims from everyone. No reason not to at this point. I don't think there is any real "town" just many factions.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 14, 2013, 06:09:04 am
There are too many WW. I think many of them are lying, and the WW are actually a scum faction. Also, we need fullclaims from everyone. No reason not to at this point. I don't think there is any real "town" just many factions.
What do you mean? If werewolves are scum, who are the people fakeclaiming ww then?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 09:36:23 am
They're something else. they think that ww are the town faction, which they aren't in, so fakeclaim ww.  enough people are doing this that it really looks like ww are town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 14, 2013, 09:40:53 am
They're something else. they think that ww are the town faction, which they aren't in, so fakeclaim ww.  enough people are doing this that it really looks like ww are town.
Something else? Town, scum?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 09:44:27 am
I don't know, they really could be either one. town  if WW is the town faction anyone who isn't ww wants to be seen as ww. that's why anyone who fakeclaimed ww should admit it now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 14, 2013, 09:45:49 am
I don't know, they really could be either one. town  if WW is the town faction anyone who isn't ww wants to be seen as ww. that's why anyone who fakeclaimed ww should admit it now.
Townies have no reason to fakeclaim. you cant really say people are claiming WW and are town.

we have to assume townies are being honest at this point. so i dont think your accusations make any sense. people arent fakeclaiming WW unless WW's are the townies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 09:50:39 am
No, they've gotten the idea that ww are town because people have said that was possible even before people started claiming. enough people claimed ww to make them look like town. from the perspective of a townie who isn't ww, they are worried that is they don't claim ww people will think that they are obvscum. also, mcmc said ww were town from the beginning because jorbles flipped ww and he knew jorbles was town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 09:52:47 am
And I'm getting the sense that there isn't one big "town" group who has to lynch all of the bad guys, I think that there are just a bunch of factions working against each other.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 14, 2013, 10:17:07 am
Townies dont lie.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 14, 2013, 11:02:12 am
No, they've gotten the idea that ww are town because people have said that was possible even before people started claiming. enough people claimed ww to make them look like town. from the perspective of a townie who isn't ww, they are worried that is they don't claim ww people will think that they are obvscum. also, mcmc said ww were town from the beginning because jorbles flipped ww and he knew jorbles was town.

This is not true, I origionally lied, said that I was town and I had no idea that jorbles was ww. After razz somewhat hinted that I should claim what I truly was, I decided my goose was cooked either way. So I fullclaimed my ww status and then people claimed in the order that I showed in my post.

Razzishi, galz, and arch were the first three to claim, razzishi and arch have a qt together and could have discussed this but why unless all three of them are ww would they claim, if they are something else, they dont want to risk claiming ww and getting screwed. So I believe razz and arch and eevee. Galz claimed second and confirmed razzishi is a ww. So I believe galz. Ashersky is the first claim I would doubt, at this point I have no real reason to doubt or worry about his role all that much, but if unclaimed nightkills start popping up, I know where i'm going to look first. Next comes mail-mi and liopoil lies which they have no come clean about and as I have said many time I am willing to work with. Dsell is in a similar position, he claimed in a much more trustworthy way but much later than ashersky so I would put equal doubt in there claims.

So I still definitely think Me, morg, arch, razz, eevee, galz are ww. Ash and Dsell may very well be ww as well and that is our voting majority. I say we need to move on and lynch jtotheonah, with the nk from liopoil/mail-mi/robz directed at spiritbears. I say we wipe out the CT's. This is a change from my previous plan because looking back at the claims I am much morecomfortable with razz/arch/eevee than before.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 11:14:24 am
Ehalc recently made a post in our QT. it had lots of flavor in it, but it hinted very very strongly that they were people claiming ww to save their own skin.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 14, 2013, 11:29:47 am
paraphrased:

...at the town meeting "people" were claiming werewolf like crazy! ... but obviously not all of them were monsters. Some were humans forced to extremes. our peers are claiming werewolf, so what can we do? since people who were our friends are speaking of lynching those who aren't hairy, there is no other option! some of the people at the town meeting must be lying to survive....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 14, 2013, 11:36:43 am
"At the town meeting" you and mail-mi claimed ww, Joth and axxle claimed ww. We already know a ton of people lied, that doesn't say people are still lying. Also I highly doubt you have some power that lets you receive mod information that people are lying about there alignment. That's just flavor.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 14, 2013, 11:43:29 am
paraphrased:

...at the town meeting "people" were claiming werewolf like crazy! ... but obviously not all of them were monsters. Some were humans forced to extremes. our peers are claiming werewolf, so what can we do? since people who were our friends are speaking of lynching those who aren't hairy, there is no other option! some of the people at the town meeting must be lying to survive....
Yes.   This is so true.  Raz told CT in the qt that everyone should quickly claim ww to avoid becoming a target.  I'm not convinced his little group (Eevee/arch/Raz), are ww.  I seriously doubt Ash is.  And MC is defintely some kind of scum though what is unclear...
They admit to recruiting/converting Raz in the night.  So I think it's more likely they are vamps or some other faction we don't know yet.  Arch keeps "wanting to be lynched"...which makes me think they are undead somethings.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Robz888 on April 14, 2013, 12:15:23 pm
I want to fight for the side that fights for the living.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 14, 2013, 01:06:18 pm
+1 mcmc.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 14, 2013, 11:11:22 pm
La la la la....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 14, 2013, 11:11:31 pm
...lemon
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 14, 2013, 11:21:48 pm
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 14, 2013, 11:22:26 pm
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.

You haven't played a game where I've been scum, have you?

I think I am the MOST likely to be WW, given I actually played the game like scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 14, 2013, 11:24:23 pm
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

i already gives you de apples!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 14, 2013, 11:26:28 pm
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

i already gives you de apples!
Oh that's in teh other game. IN this game I'm still hungry!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 14, 2013, 11:28:16 pm
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 14, 2013, 11:30:26 pm
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)

Glad to see this has reverted back to a normal BM game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 14, 2013, 11:31:18 pm
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)

Glad to see this has reverted back to a normal BM game.
wuz your problem? you wanna lemon too?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mail-mi on April 14, 2013, 11:40:51 pm
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: ashersky on April 14, 2013, 11:41:56 pm
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?

Little did mail-mi realize Morgrim7 wasn't talking about a fruit, but a car with many problems...and so he was crushed by the car.

This is possible because have you seen that picture of Morgrim7 with the muscles?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 15, 2013, 01:09:05 am
I grow lemons,  Meyers lemons...very sweet
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 15, 2013, 06:11:56 am
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
So, you think WW's are town?


@mcmc's gang

Let's coordinate our votes and end this thing. Joth? spiritbears?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Morgrim7 on April 15, 2013, 06:26:18 am
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?
No sorry we has none...Not even a tap! Eat the lemon. NOW!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 15, 2013, 12:10:43 pm
...lemon
Can I haz lemon?

Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
So, you think WW's are town?


@mcmc's gang

Let's coordinate our votes and end this thing. Joth? spiritbears?

I've been trying to do that for so looong
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 15, 2013, 12:12:04 pm
I know, and my people are agreeing now!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 15, 2013, 12:35:56 pm
Eevee, arch, razz, morg, galz, ash, dsell. Vote Joth or say otherwise
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Eevee on April 15, 2013, 12:37:54 pm
vote: joth
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 15, 2013, 12:38:34 pm
Vote: Joth
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 15, 2013, 12:51:19 pm
Vote: Joth
Since when were you in MC's supposed "gang"?  Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this.  You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 15, 2013, 12:53:44 pm
Vote: Joth
Since when were you in MC's supposed "gang"?  Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this.  You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.

I've been one of MC's strongest supporters since quite early on actually. Look at his interactions with Ashersky and my responses to both.

I would rather lynch a MH, but I'm good lynching a CT. Neither are WW, and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 15, 2013, 12:57:19 pm
Vote: Joth
Since when were you in MC's supposed "gang"?  Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this.  You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.

Galz joined my "gang the minute he claimed ww and I believe him. Ash and me but heads literally every game, bottom line if he's ww nothing else matters, if he's not ww but wants to work toward a ww win I am also happy to welcome him into the "gang"

Ppe: I see that monster hunters could be dangerous but as long as try cooperate their nk is only going to help us clear out the CT's

Also I think vote should go like this.

vote: Joth nk: spiritbears
This gives out clear nightkill target to asses cooperation from monster hunters.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 15, 2013, 01:20:58 pm
It's clear you plan to take out the monster hunters right after killing the rest of the town (ct). I don't know why you think Mh would cooperate with you removing their only allies....

Ok....if there any more town out there, or anyone that doesn't want half the town eaten by vamps and wolves, time to pick a side now.  Evil looks to be firmly in the drivers seat. MC has declared himself the leader of "his gang".  So we need to take him out.  Doubtlessly, they will still nightkill me.  But I can only pray it backfires on them.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 15, 2013, 01:52:00 pm
It's clear you plan to take out the monster hunters right after killing the rest of the town (ct). I don't know why you think Mh would cooperate with you removing their only allies....

Ok....if there any more town out there, or anyone that doesn't want half the town eaten by vamps and wolves, time to pick a side now.  Evil looks to be firmly in the drivers seat. MC has declared himself the leader of "his gang".  So we need to take him out.  Doubtlessly, they will still nightkill me.  But I can only pray it backfires on them.

I'm in a happy position, I though I was a bulletproof scum lover with no nk who was going to lose as my partner got lynched. Then I got a new lover, then I found out I wasn't scum but had a ton of allies, I still don't have a night kill and I can't confirm what anyone but my and morg really are, so all I'm doing is eliminating a faction that isn't mine and seeing what happens. The reason I'm going after CT's is because they have always claimed want to be rid of the ww's where as before robz the bully came in monsterhunters were happy to work with ww's. I've been informed somewhat vaguely that I don't know whether the people looking for the monster(monsterhunters) want me dead or real evil monster including some evil humans. So I have a guess that I can win with them.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: spiritbears on April 15, 2013, 01:56:02 pm
"Robzz the bully?!?!?"  What a completely baseless accusation. Robz had hardly even pistes in this game, let alone bulky you or anyone else. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 15, 2013, 03:00:04 pm
"Robzz the bully?!?!?"  What a completely baseless accusation. Robz had hardly even pistes in this game, let alone bulky you or anyone else.

Sorry if that was confusing I was merely joking I meant a bully as in although he has posted very minimal what he has posted is an attempt not to cooperate with the ww's as opposed to his monster hunter friends mail-mi and liopoil who are willing to cooperate thus friendly. Also robz is my older brother so I may be more joking with him though really I meant "bully" in the ironic he wont cooperate with what I want way, I would have said it about anyone and didn't mean it in a serious way.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 15, 2013, 03:49:33 pm
Vote: Joth

we'll vig whoever you want. spiritbears is the one you all want us to vig? I've decided to trust mcmc+morgrim, I think they're probably right in that we can win together. If we can't we're probably doomed anyway because they recruited robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 15, 2013, 03:54:56 pm
That was hammer if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 15, 2013, 03:56:15 pm
jotheonah (4): mcmcsalot, mail-mi, Archetype, Morgrim7

+

Razzishi, Eevee, Galzria, liopoil

= 8 votes.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 15, 2013, 03:57:00 pm
uh-oh. I'll double check that. Hope that's okay, it seems we were ready anyway.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 15, 2013, 03:58:19 pm
yeah, that was the hammer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 15, 2013, 03:59:23 pm
derphammers are always good right? especially in a bastard game!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on April 15, 2013, 04:01:09 pm
derphammers are always good right? especially in a bastard game!

"A good and useful town tool" - O, the "Derphammerer"
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: liopoil on April 15, 2013, 04:02:31 pm
ehalc isn't online yet, so we can have some quick twilight talk!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 15, 2013, 04:15:16 pm
ehalc isn't online yet, so we can have some quick twilight talk!

And with that, Thread Locked while I check and write flavour and whatever.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 15, 2013, 04:44:58 pm
What had begun as a regular town meeting resulted in something unprecedented.  Everyone was now claiming to be a werewolf!  Suddenly, the meeting was about protecting lupine brethren rather than hunting them down.  The villagers turned on any player who failed to claim a wolfish nature.

In the end, Town Conspiracy Theorist jotheonah became the town's victim du jour.  He had always been a kind fellow, if a little overly anxious about criminal organizations broadcasting evil subliminal messages to brain-washed mashes via hats.  As the townspeople stand over his corpse, some of them cannot help but wonder if they have truly become the monsters they now claim to be... and whether being a werewolf meant they were supposed to eat the freshly dead body.

They opted to just bury him. 

Vote Count 3.5

ashersky (1): Axxle
jotheonah (8): mcmcsalot, mail-mi, Archetype, Morgrim7, Razzishi, Eevee, Galzria, liopoil
mcmcsalot (2): Robz888, spiritbears
Razzishi (1): jotheonah
yuma (1): ashersky

Not voting (1): Dsell

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Lynch occurred on: April 15, 1:49:33pm MDT
deadline was: Thursday May 9, 12:00am MDT
time banked: 23.5 days (rounded up a bit)

Night 3 has begun.
All QTs are now unlocked.  Night actions are due in 2 days at 3PM MDT on Wednesday, April 17.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 3)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 17, 2013, 03:33:54 pm
I am semi v/la right now so we might not start on time. Nonetheless, you should watch the deadline for night actions. You've got about 90 minutes guys.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2013, 05:05:36 pm
As day 4 begins, the feeling in the village is one of mild confusion.  Now that so many of the town have come out claiming to be werewolves, how would their daily routines change?  Many men and women decide not to shave this morning, just to see how it feels to be the bearer of a fabulous moustache.

However, this disembodied voice regrets to inform you that not everything is peachy keen this morning.  And by peach I mean fuzz.  And by fuzz I mean Eevee is dead.  He was a Werewolf Lover.  There is a hole* where his heart used to be.

But that's not all.  Razzishi is also dead.  He was a Zombie Conspiracy Theorist Lover.  There isn't anything where his head used to be.

But that's still not all!  Archetype is also also dead!  He was a Werewolf Lover.  There is a hole* where his heart used to be.

The town is shocked at the massacre, but some are not sure whether they should rejoice or mourn.  Two days ago it would easily have been the former, but after yesterday's events, it was harder to say.

Once again, there is a great deal to discuss.  Hopefully London can get through the sudden drop in population with the comfort of some sweet 'staches.

Today's Theme Song is an awesome a capella medley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oeVbgaE6GQ) with no clues about anything at all in it.  None at all.

*some holes are metaphorical.

Day 4 Start

Vote Count 4.1


Not voting (10): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Robz888, spiritbears, yuma

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:07:40 pm
Huh, so all three dead players were lying.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:08:15 pm
#IStandWithTheLiving
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:08:55 pm
So if Eevee/Arch were lovers, as was Jorbles, what's the chance that mcmc is actually telling the truth about also being a lover?

Also, we need to kill more conspiracy theorists, clearly.  No Monster Hunter flips yet, so that could be a way to go.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:09:21 pm
Also also, six to lynch, so let's not vote willy-nilly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:14:04 pm
Vote: Galzria, another admitted werewolf.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:14:31 pm
nahhh, let's kill some more WWs instead.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:16:10 pm
(was responding to ash)

robz, what do you think of mcmc/morgrim?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:16:15 pm
Anyone willing to claim the kills last night?

Also, I'll point my VK at Robz for now.  Let' s not get ahead of ourselves, guys.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:17:45 pm
interesting that it seems eevee/arch's lover thing actually worked, but jorbles and razzishi's didn't.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:19:18 pm
(was responding to ash)

robz, what do you think of mcmc/morgrim?

Morgrim, I have no idea. Mcmc would also be a fine lynch target. He IS a werewolf. Also, i think he gets a night kill. And may be bp.

Yeah, he's better. Vote: Mcmcsalot
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:21:01 pm
interesting that it seems eevee/arch's lover thing actually worked, but jorbles and razzishi's didn't.

Why do you think Jorbles/Razzishi are lovers?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:22:21 pm
well, mcmc claimed to be in a QT with you and morgrim right? So morgrim was actually in that QT?

you think he can NK? hmmm...

it says they flipped lover. I don't think they are partners themself, I think there is another WW lover who's with jorbles, and a CT lover with razzishi.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:23:37 pm
well, mcmc claimed to be in a QT with you and morgrim right? So morgrim was actually in that QT?

you think he can NK? hmmm...

it says they flipped lover. I don't think they are partners themself, I think there is another WW lover who's with jorbles, and a CT lover with razzishi.

But morgrim wasn't in the qt to begin with. At first it was just jorbles and mcmc. They invited morgrim into it, and then they invited me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:24:20 pm
Strike that, they didn't. Morgrim got in of his own accord once jorbles died. I was neighborized.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:24:34 pm
but he is now. can you talk during the day?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:26:04 pm
but he is now. can you talk during the day?

Yes.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 05:27:20 pm
Hai guys yay day 4! Sum werwolfs dyde? Lets kil sum moar! Cuz ther bad guyz! Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:29:58 pm
I actually think WWs are outnumbered now...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:32:07 pm
I actually think WWs are outnumbered now...

That's what we're counting on.

Town Conspiracy Theorists, no need to hide in the dark. The Monster Hunters win alongside the town. Let's kill these scum and wrap this up.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:34:00 pm
Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:37:48 pm
I take it you won't kill me to give me the opportunity to VK one of you?  Even if you don't believe me, guessing you have decided it isn't worth the risk?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:38:04 pm
That's L-3 on mcmc already.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:39:25 pm
spiritbears and axxle are the only CT still alive, right? so that's five... then mcmc, morgrim, ash, dsell, and galz have claimed WW. That's everyone, 5-5.

What exactly is the win con of the CT and WW?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:39:58 pm
I take it you won't kill me to give me the opportunity to VK one of you?  Even if you don't believe me, guessing you have decided it isn't worth the risk?

Well yeah, we don't want to activate your vengekill.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:40:40 pm
WW is "all threats to WW eliminated".  I'm guessing one of CT and MH is the same.  Otherwise, the game would be over due to "or nothing can stop that from happening" clauses on scum wincons.  5-5 would be an endgame.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:41:08 pm
I take it you won't kill me to give me the opportunity to VK one of you?  Even if you don't believe me, guessing you have decided it isn't worth the risk?

Well yeah, we don't want to activate your vengekill.

But what about my cop abilities?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:42:31 pm
Ha!  I'm an idiot.

eHal is a lying mod.  Either in my results, or in the flip.

Razz was not really a lover; at least not according to my investigation results last night.  I think eHal is just tagging "Lover" on to stuff.  Jorbles probably wasn't one either.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:43:10 pm
WW is "all threats to WW eliminated".  I'm guessing one of CT and MH is the same.  Otherwise, the game would be over due to "or nothing can stop that from happening" clauses on scum wincons.  5-5 would be an endgame.

I have no "or nothing can stop that from happening" clause, and I'm guessing neither do the WWs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:44:00 pm
Ha!  I'm an idiot.

eHal is a lying mod.  Either in my results, or in the flip.

Razz was not really a lover; at least not according to my investigation results last night.  I think eHal is just tagging "Lover" on to stuff.  Jorbles probably wasn't one either.
So then how do you explain three deaths last night?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:49:38 pm
Ha!  I'm an idiot.

eHal is a lying mod.  Either in my results, or in the flip.

Razz was not really a lover; at least not according to my investigation results last night.  I think eHal is just tagging "Lover" on to stuff.  Jorbles probably wasn't one either.
So then how do you explain three deaths last night?

I think it is much more likely there are plenty more people with NKs than are claiming them, don't you?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:50:34 pm
Nevermind.  Just check the result and it does say Lover there.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:51:41 pm
yes, but probably only one, because there haven't been that many deaths before, and arch and eevee claimed to have a QT together. My guess is that the NK is ash/galz/dsell.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:52:05 pm
Nevermind.  Just check the result and it does say Lover there.
oh who?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:52:31 pm
yes, but probably only one, because there haven't been that many deaths before, and arch and eevee claimed to have a QT together. My guess is that the NK is ash/galz/dsell.

What makes you think I am part of a group?  That's purely made up.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:53:10 pm
Nevermind.  Just check the result and it does say Lover there.
oh who?

I investigated Raz last night.  I got that he is a Conspiracy Theorist and Lover.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:54:05 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:55:00 pm
more that you guys are the only ones NOT in a group... and so I think you are. also, there is a green group of three with a NK and PRs. It would make sense for you three to be a red group with PRs. Then the CT would be the equivalent of arch/eevee+mcmc/jorbles. And then morgrim is morgrim.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:55:25 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 05:55:46 pm
CT don't have a NK right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:56:35 pm
more that you guys are the only ones NOT in a group... and so I think you are. also, there is a green group of three with a NK and PRs. It would make sense for you three to be a red group with PRs. Then the CT would be the equivalent of arch/eevee+mcmc/jorbles. And then morgrim is morgrim.

I'm solo, no group.  But I think you are probably right that at least one WW is lying about being able to kill.  I don't know which one it is, but would guess Galz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:57:17 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.

So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo?  Who killed Razz then?  CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 05:57:46 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.

So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo?  Who killed Razz then?  CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?

Werewolves killed him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 05:59:00 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.

So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo?  Who killed Razz then?  CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?

Werewolves killed him.

But the WWs I would have guessed could kill yesterday were Eevee/Arch, who seemed awful convinced of Razz's loyalty.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:01:30 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.

So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo?  Who killed Razz then?  CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?

Werewolves killed him.

But the WWs I would have guessed could kill yesterday were Eevee/Arch, who seemed awful convinced of Razz's loyalty.

They're lying scum, who cares?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:03:07 pm
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.

Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.

So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo?  Who killed Razz then?  CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?

Werewolves killed him.

But the WWs I would have guessed could kill yesterday were Eevee/Arch, who seemed awful convinced of Razz's loyalty.

They're lying scum, who cares?

Truthful scum like me?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 18, 2013, 06:15:53 pm
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:

I Cult-Doctored Ash last night, Real-Doctored Morgrim.

The only person dead that "lied" was Razz - At least as far as alignments go. Eevee/Arch both flipped Red Team. Razz (who claimed to be converted to Red) flipped Green.

That leaves the teams back to even, 5v5:

Yuma, Liopoil, Robz, Spirit, Axxle

Mcmc, Galz, Ash, Morgrim, Dsell

Lio and Robz (who share a QT mind you), are coming out gunning for a quick-lynch. Remember, we KNOW they have a NK, so if they can tip the scale to Green, they win.

MH's killed Arch/Eevee last night. One of the Reds (who has a NK) hit Razz (or he died with them as part of their "lover" group. Possible.).

In either case, it's worth noting that it takes SIX to lynch, and that unless a Red turns on his group, Robz and Lio's blitz to lynch cannot succeed.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:19:06 pm
Robz is probably our best lynch for today, right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:19:16 pm
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:

I Cult-Doctored Ash last night, Real-Doctored Morgrim.

The only person dead that "lied" was Razz - At least as far as alignments go. Eevee/Arch both flipped Red Team. Razz (who claimed to be converted to Red) flipped Green.

That leaves the teams back to even, 5v5:

Yuma, Liopoil, Robz, Spirit, Axxle

Mcmc, Galz, Ash, Morgrim, Dsell

Lio and Robz (who share a QT mind you), are coming out gunning for a quick-lynch. Remember, we KNOW they have a NK, so if they can tip the scale to Green, they win.

MH's killed Arch/Eevee last night. One of the Reds (who has a NK) hit Razz (or he died with them as part of their "lover" group. Possible.).

In either case, it's worth noting that it takes SIX to lynch, and that unless a Red turns on his group, Robz and Lio's blitz to lynch cannot succeed.

You forgot about mail-mi, which gives us 6. Adios, scum!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:20:15 pm
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:

We aren't pinning the blame anywhere. Of course we lied to you. You-are-scum. We don't negotiate with werewolves.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:24:07 pm
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:

I Cult-Doctored Ash last night, Real-Doctored Morgrim.

The only person dead that "lied" was Razz - At least as far as alignments go. Eevee/Arch both flipped Red Team. Razz (who claimed to be converted to Red) flipped Green.

That leaves the teams back to even, 5v5:

Yuma, Liopoil, Robz, Spirit, Axxle

Mcmc, Galz, Ash, Morgrim, Dsell

Lio and Robz (who share a QT mind you), are coming out gunning for a quick-lynch. Remember, we KNOW they have a NK, so if they can tip the scale to Green, they win.

MH's killed Arch/Eevee last night. One of the Reds (who has a NK) hit Razz (or he died with them as part of their "lover" group. Possible.).

In either case, it's worth noting that it takes SIX to lynch, and that unless a Red turns on his group, Robz and Lio's blitz to lynch cannot succeed.

You forgot about mail-mi, which gives us 6. Adios, scum!

Dude, that doesn't work though, or the game would be over.  End-gamed.  Unless Monster Hunters and Conspiracy Theorists need to kill each other.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:26:31 pm
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:29:08 pm
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.

That's fair.  If the whole game is based solely around night action luck, let's end the days as quickly as we can.  If it's really 6 vs 5, just end each day right away by picking us off one by one.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:30:07 pm
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.

That's fair.  If the whole game is based solely around night action luck, let's end the days as quickly as we can.  If it's really 6 vs 5, just end each day right away by picking us off one by one.

Actually, can we just get the Mod to give you (or any one CT/MH) lynch power to just end the day?  There's literally no reason for posting and voting, which are just huge wastes of everyone's time.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2013, 06:30:38 pm
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.

That's fair.  If the whole game is based solely around night action luck, let's end the days as quickly as we can.  If it's really 6 vs 5, just end each day right away by picking us off one by one.

How can it be 6v5 when there are only 10 players alive? :)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 18, 2013, 06:31:06 pm
Not voting is 10. With 10 alive it takes six to lynch. Someone isn't alive. And given Razz flipped Green Zombie, my guess is it's another Green team. That means, sorry Robz, but no adios.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:32:08 pm
Not voting is 10. With 10 alive it takes six to lynch. Someone isn't alive. And given Razz flipped Green Zombie, my guess is it's another Green team. That means, sorry Robz, but no adios.

Robz is green team, though.  So it is adios to us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 06:32:35 pm
Also, 11 alive is still 6 to lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:33:12 pm
I guess we will find out.

All Town-aligned players, please vote for Galzria.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 06:42:00 pm
Guyz, we're 5v5. Yuma isn't in this game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 06:42:44 pm
Wait not mcmc?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 18, 2013, 06:45:13 pm
The funny thing is, MH are not town aligned. But by lynching me now, I cannot Doctor Morgrim tonight. This means they'll NK him, leaving just 2 WW's (Mcmc dies as well), 3 MH, and 2 Town (maybe 3? Not sure who isn't being counted).

If you lynch WW again (probably Dsell), they will NK town and endgame everybody.
Alternatively, if they lynch Town, Dsell will be NK'd to the same result.

Even if town and WW's come together then to lynch MH (4v3), it goes 3v2, 2v1 and you're looking at one alive from each faction, or stalemate - except MH can NK in a no lynch scenario.

Basically, you buy that they're town (they're not), and you lose.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 06:46:43 pm
guys... yuma isn't and never was in this game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 18, 2013, 06:48:08 pm
guys... yuma isn't and never was in this game.

He's in the D4 opening vote count.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 06:51:02 pm
The funny thing is, MH are not town aligned. But by lynching me now, I cannot Doctor Morgrim tonight. This means they'll NK him, leaving just 2 WW's (Mcmc dies as well), 3 MH, and 2 Town (maybe 3? Not sure who isn't being counted).

If you lynch WW again (probably Dsell), they will NK town and endgame everybody.
Alternatively, if they lynch Town, Dsell will be NK'd to the same result.

Even if town and WW's come together then to lynch MH (4v3), it goes 3v2, 2v1 and you're looking at one alive from each faction, or stalemate - except MH can NK in a no lynch scenario.

Basically, you buy that they're town (they're not), and you lose.
The funny thing is, we are town aligned. You guys are WW aka SCUM aligned.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 06:52:00 pm
Aww, Galz gets to flail now. How presh.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 06:54:42 pm
Oh yeah., in case it wasnt clear, I'm town so vote: galz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 06:55:20 pm
Why galz instead of mcmc?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2013, 07:02:29 pm
Vote Count 4.1

Galzria (1): mail-mi
Mcmcsalot (2): Robz888, liopoil

Not voting (7): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, spiritbears

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 07:04:24 pm
....aaaaand yuma's gone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 07:14:41 pm
....aaaaand yuma's gone.

So what do we do about yuma and his vote?  Can he vote?  Can we count on his vote?  Tough to plan for...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 07:15:58 pm
can he post? :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 07:23:49 pm
can he post? :P

He might be able to, but choose not to for WIFOM/confusion reasons.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 07:37:07 pm
Oh, I've actually confused myself over who are we killing. Who are we killing?

We should kill Galz, right? His doctoring could mess us up, although I guess we could just shoot him tonight. What's the argument for doing mcmc instead? Sorry, my vote and my public statement are confusing.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 07:42:32 pm
Oh, I've actually confused myself over who are we killing. Who are we killing?

We should kill Galz, right? His doctoring could mess us up, although I guess we could just shoot him tonight. What's the argument for doing mcmc instead? Sorry, my vote and my public statement are confusing.

I think you want to lynch mcmc because he's bulletproof and a lover.  Galz can doctor himself, so shooting him won't work.

You should lynch ashersky.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 07:43:31 pm
Actually, WWs listen up!

If we think we can get one more voter on me, lynching me today could be to our advantage.  VK and all.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 08:09:06 pm
Oh, I've actually confused myself over who are we killing. Who are we killing?

We should kill Galz, right? His doctoring could mess us up, although I guess we could just shoot him tonight. What's the argument for doing mcmc instead? Sorry, my vote and my public statement are confusing.
lynching mcmc likely makes morgrim die too. two birds with one stone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 09:16:52 pm
Actually, WWs listen up!

If we think we can get one more voter on me, lynching me today could be to our advantage.  VK and all.

You've got my attention, do you plan on saying what the plan is or would it be better to keep it private (I am asking for clarification, not asking you to reveal).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 09:19:38 pm
Actually, WWs listen up!

If we think we can get one more voter on me, lynching me today could be to our advantage.  VK and all.

You've got my attention, do you plan on saying what the plan is or would it be better to keep it private (I am asking for clarification, not asking you to reveal).

I think they can figure it out, so no real need to hide it.

The reason we aren't end-gamed seems to be possible night actions, right?  Like, they can kill, but we can doctor, etc.  If I die, I can kill one of them without it being blocked.  But how to get me killed?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 09:21:01 pm
Yeah friends, I think it should be mcmcsalot! Let's kill him, not Galzria.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 09:21:52 pm
Yeah friends, I think it should be mcmcsalot! Let's kill him, not Galzria.

That tips it 5-3, plus a night kil, so 5-2.  If that doesn't end game this, I don't know how this game ends.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 09:34:40 pm
Wow.  Thought I'd die for sure last night!  Either someone doctored me or someone lied about me bein the target (mcmc!)! So where are we?  I never did believe Raz was a WW...he admitted to fake claiming we in the qt (eve wouldn't believe me....), I thought that group were vamps, but it looks like they were really zombies. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 09:37:34 pm
Wow.  Thought I'd die for sure last night!  Either someone doctored me or someone lied about me bein the target (mcmc!)! So where are we?  I never did believe Raz was a WW...he admitted to fake claiming we in the qt (eve wouldn't believe me....), I thought that group were vamps, but it looks like they were really zombies.

Spiritbears, we are banding together to eliminate the werewolf scum. Join us in lynching mcmcsalot, please.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 09:40:28 pm
yeah. two teams:


Green:
liopoil
robz
mail-mi
spiritbears
axxle


red:
ashersky
galzria
mcmcsalot
morgrim
Dsell
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Axxle on April 18, 2013, 09:54:14 pm
Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 10:02:02 pm
Wow.  Thought I'd die for sure last night!  Either someone doctored me or someone lied about me bein the target (mcmc!)! So where are we?  I never did believe Raz was a WW...he admitted to fake claiming we in the qt (eve wouldn't believe me....), I thought that group were vamps, but it looks like they were really zombies.

Spiritbears, we are banding together to eliminate the werewolf scum. Join us in lynching mcmcsalot, please.
Absolutely
vote:mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 18, 2013, 10:06:27 pm
Oh hey, L-1. any WWs wanna be a traitor and join the good guys and hammer? :D how about you morgrim? you loooooooove hammering, and here's your chance!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 10:23:42 pm
Robz, I am very confused by you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 10:27:21 pm
Robz, I am very confused by you.
Once all the non ww's came out of the closet, Robzz has been full on scum-hunting.  What's so confusing about that?  I think he's consistent.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 10:31:40 pm
Let's take this thing to a stalemate.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 10:32:06 pm
Let's take this thing to a stalemate.

Which obviously includes no Werewolves voting for mcmc!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 18, 2013, 10:38:46 pm
If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch.  And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 10:44:45 pm
We haven't heard from Morg8. I have a feeling he might be hungry for a lemon hammer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 10:44:53 pm
If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch.  And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.

I prefer we let it deadline out and go happily ever after.  I think that's WW's best chance of winning.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 10:48:16 pm
If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch.  And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.

I prefer we let it deadline out and go happily ever after.  I think that's WW's best chance of winning.
EVErYONE knows you're not a WW.  I bet we could get ww and town cooperation to get you!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 11:07:17 pm
I was voting for galz. vote: mcmc now hes L-1
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 11:17:30 pm
If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch.  And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.

I prefer we let it deadline out and go happily ever after.  I think that's WW's best chance of winning.
EVErYONE knows you're not a WW.  I bet we could get ww and town cooperation to get you!

And you would be wrong.

If I'm not a WW, I'd be voting with you guys.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 11:22:26 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 11:24:14 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 11:26:45 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 11:26:59 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.

But he should! Or you also, whatever matters.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 11:33:09 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.

I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 11:34:19 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.

I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Scum??!?  You are claiming team scum!  Or did you just slip?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 18, 2013, 11:38:10 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.

I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Scum??!?  You are claiming team scum!  Or did you just slip?

Yes, I slipped by calling you scum! ;D

No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.

I am just being silly here since we appear to be at an impasse.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 11:42:45 pm

No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.


This is me, exactly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 11:44:16 pm
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:45:06 pm
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.

No way. No need.

Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 18, 2013, 11:45:57 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.

I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Scum??!?  You are claiming team scum!  Or did you just slip?

Yes, I slipped by calling you scum! ;D

No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.

I am just being silly here since we appear to be at an impasse.
If that's true (and I have no reason to doubt any if it other than the "ww" claim) you should just drop the hammer on MC. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:46:39 pm
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim.  I don't doubt you're scum.  But ww...not a chance.  Probably vamp

At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.

I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Scum??!?  You are claiming team scum!  Or did you just slip?

Yes, I slipped by calling you scum! ;D

No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.

I am just being silly here since we appear to be at an impasse.

Don't be silly. Lynch mcmc!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 11:46:43 pm
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.

No way. No need.

Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!

Morgrim, this is one time when you really don't want to be <i>that guy</i>.  I know you like hammering and all, but this late in the game, to give yourself the loss?  No way.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 11:46:58 pm
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.

No way. No need.

Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Dude, they're claimed lovers. HE's almost definitely not gonna do that.








Actually, it is Morgrim, so who know's what he'll do/
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:47:45 pm
Morgrim, it woud be SOOO epic. "Pulling a Morgrim" would take on a whole new meaning. You have to do it, for history's sake. Come on! Lynch You know you want it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:48:18 pm
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.

No way. No need.

Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Dude, they're claimed lovers. HE's almost definitely not gonna do that.








Actually, it is Morgrim, so who know's what he'll do/

I don't know what they are, but I know it would be epic if Morgrim hammered mcmc. Do it!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 11:48:40 pm
Morgrim, it woud be SOOO epic. "Pulling a Morgrim" would take on a whole new meaning. You have to do it, for history's sake. Come on! Lynch You know you want it.

Alright Robz, this is getting out of hand.  We talked this over over the night--why are you going so far off our plan?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 18, 2013, 11:49:04 pm
Let's cheer for him! Morgrim do the lynch! Morgrim, hammer to kill! Morgrim, you know you don't really love mcmcsalot! Morgrim, YEAH!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:51:19 pm
Morgrim, it woud be SOOO epic. "Pulling a Morgrim" would take on a whole new meaning. You have to do it, for history's sake. Come on! Lynch You know you want it.

Alright Robz, this is getting out of hand.  We talked this over over the night--why are you going so far off our plan?

Hahaha. Nice. I love it!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:51:39 pm
Let's cheer for him! Morgrim do the lynch! Morgrim, hammer to kill! Morgrim, you know you don't really love mcmcsalot! Morgrim, YEAH!

WE WILL LOVE YOU MORGRIM, YEAH, YOU'LL BE SO COOL AND SPECTACULAR
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 18, 2013, 11:53:25 pm
DO IT, MORGRIM! BE THE HAMMER YOU WERE BORN TO BE
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 18, 2013, 11:55:46 pm
Man Robz, I was so pumped to be scum with you finally, too.  But you are a bit bossy.  Yelling at me in the QT for coming off too scummy with the late WW fake claim, coming up with this plan for today and then going completely off script?  And you said I was a disaster...

This game had soured for me yesterday anyway, and now this.  Screw it.

Vote: Robz and I'll die with you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 12:08:39 am
If anyone is confused, ashersky is lying. We do not share a qt, and are not aligned together, as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 12:12:00 am
That's an awful lot of fake upset from someone that's not even under the hammer.  Maybe you should chill ash.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 12:13:24 am
That's an awful lot of fake upset from someone that's not even under the hammer.  Maybe you should chill ash.

I'm upset with Robz, not with anything happening to me.  Dude's impossible to be teammates with.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 19, 2013, 12:21:06 am
Why would I vote for mcmc when you would surely turn on me, as another WW, soon down the line.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 12:22:57 am
Man Robz, I was so pumped to be scum with you finally, too.  But you are a bit bossy.  Yelling at me in the QT for coming off too scummy with the late WW fake claim, coming up with this plan for today and then going completely off script?  And you said I was a disaster...

This game had soured for me yesterday anyway, and now this.  Screw it.

Vote: Robz and I'll die with you.
For this to be true, Lio and Mai would have to both be liars... I think they have both vouched for robz as a MH.  Why start with such an obvious fake claim?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 12:23:36 am
Why would I vote for mcmc when you would surely turn on me, as another WW, soon down the line.
But you're not ww. So why worry?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 12:28:42 am
Man Robz, I was so pumped to be scum with you finally, too.  But you are a bit bossy.  Yelling at me in the QT for coming off too scummy with the late WW fake claim, coming up with this plan for today and then going completely off script?  And you said I was a disaster...

This game had soured for me yesterday anyway, and now this.  Screw it.

Vote: Robz and I'll die with you.
For this to be true, Lio and Mai would have to both be liars... I think they have both vouched for robz as a MH.  Why start with such an obvious fake claim?

You mean Robz would have had to convince Lio and mail-mi.  Which he did.  I'm worried he's turning on me now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 12:33:05 am
*Yawn*

I'm getting hungry. Is it snack time yet?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2013, 12:37:10 am
jeez, I take a drive to chi city and youall go crazy.

I am suprised that eevee/arch were lovers, me and morgrim are also lovers, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were more crazy lovers.

Looking at this mail-mi/liopoil/robz are likely to have a lover combo. Mail-mi offered himself up to die if we had to kill one as the weaker power. So I suggest lynching liopoil or robz.

Also I do think we can't get a lynch.

someone showed the 5 v 5 but might as well go for the vote and see if yuma does anything.

vote:robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 12:42:54 am
That's an awful lot of fake upset from someone that's not even under the hammer.  Maybe you should chill ash.

I'm upset with Robz, not with anything happening to me.  Dude's impossible to be teammates with.

Don't worry, he's just faking being upset.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 19, 2013, 02:28:45 am
Vote Count 4.2

Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, liopoil, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (3): Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 06:46:03 am
...okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:07:07 am
...okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...

Robz and I are vampire lovers.  We have a QT.  We are the (a?) scum team.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:09:24 am
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash?  I think his loyalty is questionable at best.

Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:11:25 am
...okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...

Robz and I are vampire lovers.  We have a QT.  We are the (a?) scum team.
If this is true then you should immediately drop the hammer on Mc.  Otherwise this is is just more shifting from you...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:14:12 am
...okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...

Robz and I are vampire lovers.  We have a QT.  We are the (a?) scum team.
If this is true then you should immediately drop the hammer on Mc.  Otherwise this is is just more shifting from you...

I'm not out to help you.  I'm out to screw Robz over for being a crappy scum partner who didn't believe in my ability to survive and wile my way through this game.  Even after seeing me win as scum before.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 07:21:51 am
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:27:50 am
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?

Why would you say I'm lying?  We killed Raz, after all.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:37:23 am
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?
Do you believe his vegi-kill claim then?  Morgrim is an interesting idea though if we can't get MC.  But really, I think Morg is the least objectionable of the scum.  In fact I don't really believe he's scum.  Scum hate lemons
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:38:17 am
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?

Why would you say I'm lying?  We killed Raz, after all.
Tell me how that went down then...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 07:38:19 am
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:40:19 am
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?

Why would you say I'm lying?  We killed Raz, after all.
Tell me how that went down then...

NK order.  That's how.  Pretty simple.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:40:51 am
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.

I'm trying to get Robz lynched, not me.  I mean, I die when he does, but that's not the point.  The "correctly lynched as scum" stat goes on his record, not mine.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:43:30 am
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.
Yeah---just like he's done the entire game.  His story has changed more times than Bowie.
Btw, did anyone listen to the song eHal posted?  The one he says has NO relevance?? 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:44:28 am
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.
Yeah---just like he's done the entire game.  His story has changed more times than Bowie.
Btw, did anyone listen to the song eHal posted?  The one he says has NO relevance??

Weren't you the one calling me a vampire all along?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:44:38 am
Go back and read my D1 breadcrumbs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:45:46 am
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.
Yeah---just like he's done the entire game.  His story has changed more times than Bowie.
Btw, did anyone listen to the song eHal posted?  The one he says has NO relevance??

Weren't you the one calling me a vampire all along?
No I said Raz' gang were vamps or some other kind of monsters.  So I guess zombie wasn't too far off.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2013, 11:16:25 am
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash?  I think his loyalty is questionable at best.

Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?

sooo maybe, I really think hes lying and  I'm not sure why but instead of a stalemate I might be okay with that especially if it kills robz, I want the monster hunters all dead in a row.

Ash if you are a lover with robz(and he will die) and you vengekill liopoil which i think will kill his lover mail-mi I would be willing to lynch you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 11:23:58 am
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash?  I think his loyalty is questionable at best.

Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?

sooo maybe, I really think hes lying and  I'm not sure why but instead of a stalemate I might be okay with that especially if it kills robz, I want the monster hunters all dead in a row.

Ash if you are a lover with robz(and he will die) and you vengekill liopoil which i think will kill his lover mail-mi I would be willing to lynch you.

I don't want to be lynched.  I want to lynch Robz.  I am willing to point my VK at liopoil if we lynch Robz, though, since my death triggers it, even the lover's death when Robz dies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2013, 11:30:38 am
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash?  I think his loyalty is questionable at best.

Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?

sooo maybe, I really think hes lying and  I'm not sure why but instead of a stalemate I might be okay with that especially if it kills robz, I want the monster hunters all dead in a row.

Ash if you are a lover with robz(and he will die) and you vengekill liopoil which i think will kill his lover mail-mi I would be willing to lynch you.

I don't want to be lynched.  I want to lynch Robz.  I am willing to point my VK at liopoil if we lynch Robz, though, since my death triggers it, even the lover's death when Robz dies.

Spiritbears are you okay with this, if you believed ashersky lynching robz still kills him, if ashersky isn't robz lover I am not willing to lynch him so this is the way I would like to do it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 02:30:42 pm
I'd like to hear from Robz.  Let me say this:  I don't believe much of anything Ash has to say this game... I think he has changed his story to fit whatever the moment calls for...
Look, this only will work if its everyone on your wagon plus you. If Robz isn't good with it (or anyone else on your wagon) it's not going to happen.   It would just be 5--5 again.  I'm trying to find the one person we can all agree is a threat to us all.  Ash has threatened more death and destruction than anyone else in the game. I think he's a threat to both sides. Does anyone disagree with that sentiment?  Does anyone have a different read on Ash?  I'd really like to hear it...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 02:47:52 pm
Town, if we believe ash Robz dies and we loose evenness. If we want Robz and ash dead, kill ash and hell probably vk Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:15:23 pm
Town, if we believe ash Robz dies and we loose evenness. If we want Robz and ash dead, kill ash and hell probably vk Robz.
So do you believe ash on both the vegi kill and the lover claim?  Robz is one of yours right?  Do you think it's possible he's a double agent?  Ok---how about "likely" instead of "possible" since anything is possible. Robz says ash is lying about him straight up....  Is ash also lying about the vkill? 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:22:17 pm
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.

There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 03:31:32 pm
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.

There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:35:42 pm
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.

There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.

I am not ash's lover, and you are an absolute fool if you believe him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 03:36:35 pm
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.

There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.

I am not ash's lover, and you are an absolute fool if you believe him.
on the lover thing or the venge kill thing?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:36:41 pm
You know exactly what I am. It's written in our qt.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:37:00 pm
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.

There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.

I am not ash's lover, and you are an absolute fool if you believe him.
on the lover thing or the venge kill thing?

The lover thing. I have nothing to do with ashersky.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 03:37:12 pm
You know exactly what I am. It's written in our qt.
Just making sure.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 03:37:56 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:40:39 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?

Why would we actually want to do this, though? Ash is the only who proposed it, meaning he sees some secret way to benefit from it.

We are at even now. Why don't we just stay that way, rather than taking some action that our enemies claim will keep us even.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:48:37 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 03:50:09 pm
Ash, wanna die?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:50:52 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?

Why would we actually want to do this, though? Ash is the only who proposed it, meaning he sees some secret way to benefit from it.

We are at even now. Why don't we just stay that way, rather than taking some action that our enemies claim will keep us even.
No...it wasn't ash that proposed it....it was me...as a way to move forward, go after someone neither side trusts
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:51:17 pm
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 03:53:48 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.

The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 03:54:42 pm
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.

Scared much?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:55:31 pm
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"???  Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member.  An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:57:30 pm
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"???  Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member.  An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.

But he wants us to lynch him. Which means we shouldn't.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 03:57:54 pm
And if mcmc thinks it's a good idea for ash to get lynched, it must be a bad thing for us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:58:20 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.

The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 03:59:10 pm
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"???  Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member.  An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.

But he wants us to lynch him. Which means we shouldn't.
Where did he say this?  I just remember him resisting lunch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 03:59:27 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.

The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...

Go back and read D1 there. Mail-Mi was never a threat to be lynched.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 03:59:50 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.

The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...

Go back and read D1 there. Mail-Mi was never a threat to be lynched.

D3*
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 04:03:16 pm
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him). 
Are you concerned he will kill you robz?  I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree.  But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.

The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...

Not to mention it's quite possible that Mail-Mi has a flip modifier that A) Doesn't show alignment on flip, or B) Shows an alignment of the players choosing, or C) Simply plays like "Miller" and flips Town. We honestly have no idea here.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:16:16 pm
NO KILLING ASHERSKY!!!


green should be willing to lynch:
mcmc
morgrim
galzria
dsell


red should be willing to lynch:
ashersky
liopoil
robz
mail-mi
axxle
spiritbears.


Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 05:20:14 pm
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:23:19 pm
woahhh. If we aren't town then the CT were all by them self? not a chance. We are town. And the CT have to assume we are town, because if we aren't town then they are as good as dead anyway.


Us three monster hunters have a very powerful role: the power to kill. Losing one of us hurts us a lot more than losing ashersky does to you.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 05:25:52 pm
NO KILLING ASHERSKY!!!


green should be willing to lynch:
mcmc
morgrim
galzria
dsell


red should be willing to lynch:
ashersky
liopoil
robz
mail-mi
axxle
spiritbears.


Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch
I think you're confused.  (You list 6-4) Ash has consistently self-labeled red...  But if red doesn't trust he's really red, (ESP MC---who he promised to VK at one point I think).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:27:40 pm
We don't want to kill ashersky because of his vengekill, even if he isn't on our team
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 05:30:00 pm
Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch

Stop that. We haven't heard from Morgrim at all yet. He could hammer for our side!

Mod, please prod Morg.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 05:30:11 pm
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Well this has gotten confusing.  If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone.  Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 05:30:38 pm
Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch

Stop that. We haven't heard from Morgrim at all yet. He could hammer for our side!

Mod, please prod Morg.
Right!  Please undo that Lio!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 05:31:08 pm
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Well this has gotten confusing.  If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone.  Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?

I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 05:37:36 pm
woahhh. If we aren't town then the CT were all by them self? not a chance. We are town. And the CT have to assume we are town, because if we aren't town then they are as good as dead anyway.


Us three monster hunters have a very powerful role: the power to kill. Losing one of us hurts us a lot more than losing ashersky does to you.

Wrong. It's 5v3v2 right now as you well know. That is not "as good as dead", unless you're directly threatening them (which, of course, you are).

If you get them to No-Lynch, you NK a WW. That makes 4v3v2. Tomorrow you lynch mcmc, killing Morgrim. You then NK your choice (we'll say WW to stay consistent), and come up 1v3v2. And that's assuming no other shenanigans up your sleeves. THAT is "as good as dead" to them because they never learn the truth about what you are.

Now, by killing Ash (a WW), and letting him Vengekill Robz (something you can't have, now can you?) It not only makes the teams a lot more even (4v2v2 - still not enough for the WW's to take over), but they then know the truth about what you really are.

I want WW's to win. 100%. But barring that I'll do everything in my power to stop MH from winning - even if that means helping CT. Because at the end of the day you, Robz, and Mail-Mi are NOT aligned with the town. And the sooner CT can see that, the sooner we can deal with you guys.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 05:37:59 pm
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Well this has gotten confusing.  If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone.  Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?

I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.
Why does everyone believe that?!?? Can someone please offer any reason at all to believe that desperate claim?!?!?  If I remember right he made that claim to counter an attack on him (if you don't leave me alone I'll  vengekill you).
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:40:20 pm
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.


You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.

I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.


we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:41:19 pm
galzria, someone of the WW has a NK. They will probably kill a MH. then you'll see a flip.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 05:41:50 pm
woahhh. If we aren't town then the CT were all by them self? not a chance. We are town. And the CT have to assume we are town, because if we aren't town then they are as good as dead anyway.


Us three monster hunters have a very powerful role: the power to kill. Losing one of us hurts us a lot more than losing ashersky does to you.

Wrong. It's 5v3v2 right now as you well know. That is not "as good as dead", unless you're directly threatening them (which, of course, you are).

If you get them to No-Lynch, you NK a WW. That makes 4v3v2. Tomorrow you lynch mcmc, killing Morgrim. You then NK your choice (we'll say WW to stay consistent), and come up 1v3v2. And that's assuming no other shenanigans up your sleeves. THAT is "as good as dead" to them because they never learn the truth about what you are.

Now, by killing Ash (a WW), and letting him Vengekill Robz (something you can't have, now can you?) It not only makes the teams a lot more even (4v2v2 - still not enough for the WW's to take over), but they then know the truth about what you really are.

I want WW's to win. 100%. But barring that I'll do everything in my power to stop MH from winning - even if that means helping CT. Because at the end of the day you, Robz, and Mail-Mi are NOT aligned with the town. And the sooner CT can see that, the sooner we can deal with you guys.
Dude, we're town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 05:43:06 pm
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.


You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.

I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.


we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.

You're right. His wincon is anti-you. Just like your wincon is anti-town. You're scared out of your boots that CT will discover the truth about you. Anything to avoid a MH flip, right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 05:44:19 pm
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.


You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.

I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.


we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
You know, Morg never did anything other than say "yeah sure whatever" to MC's claims about him. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 19, 2013, 05:44:54 pm
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.


You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.

I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.


we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.

You're right. His wincon is anti-you. Just like your wincon is anti-town. You're scared out of your boots that CT will discover the truth about you. Anything to avoid a MH flip, right?
Actually if the CT see us flip, then they'll see that we are town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 05:47:46 pm
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.


You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.

I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.


we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.

You're right. His wincon is anti-you. Just like your wincon is anti-town. You're scared out of your boots that CT will discover the truth about you. Anything to avoid a MH flip, right?
Actually if the CT see us flip, then they'll see that we are town.

You, maybe. Modifiers are fun. Robz and Lio? Nope.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 05:50:04 pm
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 05:52:04 pm
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.

Yes we are freaked out about dying! If one of any of the five of us die, the WW will have the numbers!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:53:01 pm
If we're not town, CT loses. why?:


like you say, we probably no lynch today. at night, we vig, say, galz. ww kills, say, liopoil. If we aren't town, we flip that. it's now 4:2:2. It pretty much comes down to who can eliminate the NK first. once that has happened, the team still with a NK wins. CT don't have a NK, they lose. Now, say you vig a CT instead. Now there is only one CT, who cannot possibly win by themself.


^^ the above assumes that we aren't town. we are.  Ya'll can have ashersky investigate one of us tonight. Even if we weren't, galzria would have no way of knowing that. He's obviously trying to split our team.


Also, even if you manage to convince the CT that we aren't on their team and we actually aren't then they still can't afford to lynch a MH. If they do that then WW gets a majority, and wins.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 05:56:33 pm
we don't want to die because us dying is bad for town, because we are town. syrsly.


Honestly, it's a bastard game, we have absolutely no clue what's going on and ehalc is laughing his head off at us trying to figure it out. This game isn't really stalemated... something else is going on. Like you WW. Your roles. could be anything.


If morgrim won't hammer anyone we should just no lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 05:58:27 pm
But we have to least see if Morgrim would. COME ON MORG!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 06:01:53 pm
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.

Yes we are freaked out about dying! If one of any of the five of us die, the WW will have the numbers!

Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Well this has gotten confusing.  If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone.  Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?

I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.

Contradict yourself much?

But then I know well enough that you'll say whatever you need to in order to meet your goals. Whatever's convenient, right?

This isn't rocket science. The reactions are all there for Spirit to read himself. If he wants to hand you guys the game there's nothing I can do. But I'll be damned if I can't scream "I #$@*$#* told you so" after the game. Hell, Spirit is more than welcome to read back on other Robz games. When Robz starts pushing his will as hard as he can, you've got scum!Robz. When Robz has a "whatever fool, your loss", you've got Town!Robz.

It's not like this really matters. McMc is V/LA anyway, and without Morg around consistently I'm short one voice of reason. But like I said, the decisions on Spirit. If he buys into your pack of lies, whatever. I've done everything I can to point the blatantly obvious truth out to him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 19, 2013, 06:03:50 pm
Vote Count 4.3

ashersky (1): Galzria
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (2): Dsell, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

I'm sending a prod to Morgrim now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 06:05:00 pm
Vote Count 4.3
[redacted] (2): yuma
OMG.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 06:09:40 pm
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.

Yes we are freaked out about dying! If one of any of the five of us die, the WW will have the numbers!

Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.

Vote: Ashersky

Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Well this has gotten confusing.  If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone.  Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?

I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.

Contradict yourself much?

But then I know well enough that you'll say whatever you need to in order to meet your goals. Whatever's convenient, right?

This isn't rocket science. The reactions are all there for Spirit to read himself. If he wants to hand you guys the game there's nothing I can do. But I'll be damned if I can't scream "I #$@*$#* told you so" after the game. Hell, Spirit is more than welcome to read back on other Robz games. When Robz starts pushing his will as hard as he can, you've got scum!Robz. When Robz has a "whatever fool, your loss", you've got Town!Robz.

It's not like this really matters. McMc is V/LA anyway, and without Morg around consistently I'm short one voice of reason. But like I said, the decisions on Spirit. If he buys into your pack of lies, whatever. I've done everything I can to point the blatantly obvious truth out to him.

Blatantly obvious. Blatantly obvious! That's so absurd. From spirit's POV, nothing is blatantly obvious, except that he shouldn't trust you, because you're admitted scum and he's not.

Look, I understand the town having reservations about the MH, and I can't prove anything to them right now, no. If they don't take my word, that's fine, I don't blame them. But if they take your word instead of mine, they are fools, because you are admitted scum!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 06:18:54 pm
Whatever. You know you're scum. I know you're scum. Spirit is welcome to go back and reread my posts. I've been 100% consistent, unlike all three of the MH who have changed story as often as the tide rolls in and out. Yeah, I'm admitted scum. That makes me 1000x less dangerous to him than you are because you can hide behind your current flavor of convenience all day long until it no longer suits you.

Dsell, Ash, Mcmc - when you guys get here go ahead and vote Ash. If Spirit wants the truth at that point he can vote Ash as well. If he wants to let MH win instead, that's his choice.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2013, 06:46:24 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:02:36 pm
That tag line for Yuma actually occurred the previous vote count too.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:03:42 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me.  Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.

I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over.  So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.

It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps.  Don't those numbers make more sense?

So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:05:25 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me.  Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.

I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over.  So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.

It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps.  Don't those numbers make more sense?

So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.

And for the MHs still holding out hope that Robz didn't lie to them in their QT:

How many QT hopping roles have we seen already this game?  Raz joined a new one, Morg joined a new one...don't you think it's possible that others got to be in multiple QTs?  Robz is very persuasive in QTs...wait till post-game when you can read the Vamp QT and see just how much he directed our team...yeesh.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:07:03 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me.  Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.

I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over.  So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.

It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps.  Don't those numbers make more sense?

So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
Ohhhhh so NOW its not vkill, it's liverkill????? Sure ash sure.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 19, 2013, 07:08:16 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me.  Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.

I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over.  So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.

It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps.  Don't those numbers make more sense?

So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
Ohhhhh so NOW its not vkill, it's liverkill????? Sure ash sure.

Did you not read my claim today?  Lovers with Robz.  Who do you think told me to claim Vengekill if I needed on D2?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 07:11:21 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Yes.

Look, from WW perspective: If CT's believe without question that the MH are town, then we're at a 5v5 stalemate. If we go to night on a no-lynch, then come tomorrow, MH can overpower WW's with CT help. By lynching you then, MH guarantee themselves a win, even without the help of CT. So it's in WW best interest to prove to CT that MH are not, indeed, on their side. Because if we no-lynch now, MH win. They win over WW's, and they win over CT.

Now, I understand that CT know I'm WW, and that makes me admitted scum. But here's the thing. If we lynch Ash, and he VK's Robz, then it's an even trade. 1 for 1. If CT are telling the truth, that makes the teams 4v4, AND they still get a NK to make it 4v3 in their favor. EVEN if WW's have a NK as well, that puts us to a 3v3 stalemate - same situation we're in now. EXCEPT, I'll be dead. And that means no Doctor for Morgrim. This means in a 3v3 no-lynch, they can NK Morgrim, taking out 2 WW's, while the most town that WW's could kill is 1. That means the final day comes out 2 Town, 1 WW - and town win.

All I'm asking by pushing this strategy is that the CT's don't completely screw themselves over. By believing MH now, CT are handing them the game if they are scum (they are). By lynching Ash (a WW), CT can at least SEE that they aren't being fooled when Robz gets Vengekilled. At that point, the teams will be 3 WW (Ash dies, MH nightkill me) vs 2 (1 if WW have a NK) MH vs 2 CT.

3v2v2, or 3v1v2. If MH are town like they claim, CT/MH go on to win together. If they AREN'T town, CT have at least given themselves a chance to win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:12:28 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:13:11 pm
^ reply was to ash not galz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:19:29 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Yes.

Look, from WW perspective: If CT's believe without question that the MH are town, then we're at a 5v5 stalemate. If we go to night on a no-lynch, then come tomorrow, MH can overpower WW's with CT help. By lynching you then, MH guarantee themselves a win, even without the help of CT. So it's in WW best interest to prove to CT that MH are not, indeed, on their side. Because if we no-lynch now, MH win. They win over WW's, and they win over CT.

Now, I understand that CT know I'm WW, and that makes me admitted scum. But here's the thing. If we lynch Ash, and he VK's Robz, then it's an even trade. 1 for 1. If CT are telling the truth, that makes the teams 4v4, AND they still get a NK to make it 4v3 in their favor. EVEN if WW's have a NK as well, that puts us to a 3v3 stalemate - same situation we're in now. EXCEPT, I'll be dead. And that means no Doctor for Morgrim. This means in a 3v3 no-lynch, they can NK Morgrim, taking out 2 WW's, while the most town that WW's could kill is 1. That means the final day comes out 2 Town, 1 WW - and town win.

All I'm asking by pushing this strategy is that the CT's don't completely screw themselves over. By believing MH now, CT are handing them the game if they are scum (they are). By lynching Ash (a WW), CT can at least SEE that they aren't being fooled when Robz gets Vengekilled. At that point, the teams will be 3 WW (Ash dies, MH nightkill me) vs 2 (1 if WW have a NK) MH vs 2 CT.

3v2v2, or 3v1v2. If MH are town like they claim, CT/MH go on to win together. If they AREN'T town, CT have at least given themselves a chance to win.
Except that ash now claims there is no VK and that robz is his lover.
I'm also confused by paragraph 2. What night kill?
I am also waiting to see ash push his own lynch.  Haven't seen that yet. So I'm not sure he's down with your plan.
Also, whose word besides your own can I look to for proof you're ww??
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 19, 2013, 07:25:47 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???

This makes sense, didn't robz say he still didn't way to lynch ash because its better to stay at parity.

I can vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 07:34:27 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???

This makes sense, didn't robz say he still didn't way to lynch ash because its better to stay at parity.

I can vote: ashersky

NO NO NO NO NO! I don't want to stay at parity, I want to gain on the scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 19, 2013, 07:35:10 pm
I think ash and others have alternately claimed we are lovers, and that he is vengeful and will kill me. I know the first is not true, I don't know about the second.

My reservation about ash dying is that it's what he and his own scum faction seem to want, so it strikes me as a bad idea.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 07:35:30 pm
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?

Yes.

Look, from WW perspective: If CT's believe without question that the MH are town, then we're at a 5v5 stalemate. If we go to night on a no-lynch, then come tomorrow, MH can overpower WW's with CT help. By lynching you then, MH guarantee themselves a win, even without the help of CT. So it's in WW best interest to prove to CT that MH are not, indeed, on their side. Because if we no-lynch now, MH win. They win over WW's, and they win over CT.

Now, I understand that CT know I'm WW, and that makes me admitted scum. But here's the thing. If we lynch Ash, and he VK's Robz, then it's an even trade. 1 for 1. If CT are telling the truth, that makes the teams 4v4, AND they still get a NK to make it 4v3 in their favor. EVEN if WW's have a NK as well, that puts us to a 3v3 stalemate - same situation we're in now. EXCEPT, I'll be dead. And that means no Doctor for Morgrim. This means in a 3v3 no-lynch, they can NK Morgrim, taking out 2 WW's, while the most town that WW's could kill is 1. That means the final day comes out 2 Town, 1 WW - and town win.

All I'm asking by pushing this strategy is that the CT's don't completely screw themselves over. By believing MH now, CT are handing them the game if they are scum (they are). By lynching Ash (a WW), CT can at least SEE that they aren't being fooled when Robz gets Vengekilled. At that point, the teams will be 3 WW (Ash dies, MH nightkill me) vs 2 (1 if WW have a NK) MH vs 2 CT.

3v2v2, or 3v1v2. If MH are town like they claim, CT/MH go on to win together. If they AREN'T town, CT have at least given themselves a chance to win.
Except that ash now claims there is no VK and that robz is his lover.
I'm also confused by paragraph 2. What night kill?
I am also waiting to see ash push his own lynch.  Haven't seen that yet. So I'm not sure he's down with your plan.
Also, whose word besides your own can I look to for proof you're ww??

Even if there is no VK, Lovers accomplishes the same thing, right? Personally, I think Ash is making it all up - but I really don't care. As long as Ash dies, and Robz dies, the point is made to CT.

Paragraph 2 simply states that as long as Robz and Ash die, if teams are 5v5 as some claim (and not 5v3v2 as they really are), then everything remains equal at 4v4. At that point MH will NK to make it 4v3, and even if WW's have a kill (which is possible based on last nights NK's, although I doubt based on the first few nights), the worst that happens is 3v3 - which is still a win for CT if MH are telling the truth since I'll be dead and no longer able to Doctor Morgrim at night. Thus they can kill 2 WW's (Morgrim+You) with a NK.

As for proof I'm a WW, you have none except my own claims and my refusal to lynch you. You can read all my posts and make that decision for yourself. But as a claimed doctor blocking a potential two NK's, I'm kinda a high target for MH night-kills, so I'd be surprised to live a whole lot longer.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 19, 2013, 07:37:50 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 19, 2013, 07:56:41 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Again....why?  Ash has disavowed a vkill. So that leaves liver claim...which I think you don't believe either... So why protect ash then

Galz:  can you tell me what you did last night?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 19, 2013, 08:07:23 pm
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Again....why?  Ash has disavowed a vkill. So that leaves liver claim...which I think you don't believe either... So why protect ash then

Galz:  can you tell me what you did last night?

Doctored Morgrim to prevent MH from killing him (and in turn Mcmc). This seemed the obvious play to me, since the last thing I wanted was to wake up with 2 WW's dead. Well, obviously I failed, but I couldn't know Arche/Eevee were lovers as well.

Then I used my Cult Doctor on Ashersky. I've still no idea if that actually does anything, or if there's even a cult in the game. But it seemed as good a place as any since Ashersky seemed to be Cult hunting yesterday, so I figured if there was a Cult anywhere, trying to recruit him would've been in their favor.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 20, 2013, 02:03:57 am
Well that's super easy to disprove.  Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash?  If he's not your lover that should be no problem.  And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
You trust robz so you refuse to lynch ashersky who has potentially a vk to take robz out with putting us even. That hilarious, if you trust robz why not lynch ash and get the flips.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 20, 2013, 09:13:39 am
no, we don't want both ash and robz to die because robz is more powerful than ash. Also, we don't know if ash might have some other motive for getting himself lynched. why WOULD we want to lynch ash?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 20, 2013, 10:28:35 am
no, we don't want both ash and robz to die because robz is more powerful than ash. Also, we don't know if ash might have some other motive for getting himself lynched. why WOULD we want to lynch ash?

You really believed what Robz told you he could do?  Man Robz, we really were in great shape to win this thing until you went off the plan today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 20, 2013, 10:37:59 am
what robz-and all three of us- can do is posted in the OP of our QT. my role PM actually just said that I was a monster hunter and gave me a QT link. The post in the QT has our wincon and role and stuff.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 20, 2013, 10:53:56 am
Well anyway. Here is what I think. From the CT perspective it's best to take out ash and robz because neither are CT's.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 20, 2013, 11:41:32 am
Well anyway. Here is what I think. From the CT perspective it's best to take out ash and robz because neither are CT's.
the real question is whether Robz is a threat to CT. From my perspective, I've heard both MH and Ww (claimed ww--well, MC/ash anyway) and the dead zombies, state an intent to wipe us out.  I don't recall either Robz or Morg take that position. Robz has been pretty consistent since before you guys lunched Joth, that he wanted to kill monsters/undead NOT town.  Ash/MC have both consistently pushed hard to get Joth killed and me NK'd. Granted, the zombie gang were primarily to blame for this...but MC and Ash did as well...and Lio/Mai.  You two have some explaining to so I think.  I'll have to read back, but I don't believe Robz was on Thw Joth train. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 20, 2013, 11:46:55 am

Players in alphabetical order:
  • Archetype - Werewolf Lover killed night 3
  • ashersky
  • Axxle
  • Axxle2 - Town Conspiracy Theorist killed night 1
  • Dsell
  • Eevee - Werewolf Lover killed night 3
  • Galzria
  • Jorbles - Werewolf Lover lynched day 2 and survived, killed night 2
  • jotheonah - Town Conspiracy Theorist lynched day 3
  • liopoil
  • mail-mi
  • mcmcsalot
  • Morgrim7 - lynched day 1, revived day 2
  • Razzishi - Zombie Conspiracy Theorist Lover killed night 3
  • Robz888
  • spiritbears


This is in response to spirit a bit, and I wanted to note something.

When did I consistently push hard to get Joth killed?  I did not do that.  Did you mean someone else?

Who is the "zombie gang."  I see one zombie in this list.



Also, I wanted to note that Razzishi is not "town" even though his name is green.  It's actually a different shade of green than the town green.  eHal loves to play with his colors incrementally.  Quote the post, if you don't believe me.

Where's the other Zombie, anyway?  Raz is a lover with no lover?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 20, 2013, 01:42:29 pm
I objected to the Joth lynch from the beginning. Kill scum, not town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 20, 2013, 05:55:07 pm
Spirit your right, ww's were going to wipe you out. Monster hunters are a greater threat to us both. I believe, at least I believe so because me and morg have no nk and can be killed with one lynch. Vs the monsterhunters that would theoretically take 3 lynches and have a nk.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 21, 2013, 09:19:56 am
morgrim was online yesterday :(
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 21, 2013, 11:07:56 am
morgrim was online yesterday :(

He's not going to hammer me it kills us both.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 21, 2013, 10:36:06 pm
Well, we're stalling now. Anyone wanna vote mcmc?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 21, 2013, 10:51:07 pm
But Morgrim has'nt posted here yet, so I'm not satisfied that I received an answer from him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 21, 2013, 11:09:06 pm
Well, we're stalling now. Anyone wanna vote mcmc?

Robz is a good option.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2013, 12:21:09 am
Okay, this is literally the only game currently not in night, and it is stuck at a stalemate.

It is BM--the mod could just force night.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2013, 12:26:12 am
Okay, this is literally the only game currently not in night, and it is stuck at a stalemate.

It is BM--the mod could just force night.

It's more bastardly to wait for you guys to no lynch or just decide to pile on somebody for the sake of piling on somebody.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2013, 12:37:34 am
Okay, this is literally the only game currently not in night, and it is stuck at a stalemate.

It is BM--the mod could just force night.

It's more bastardly to wait for you guys to no lynch or just decide to pile on somebody for the sake of piling on somebody.

Ugh.  When's the deadline?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2013, 01:48:33 am
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 22, 2013, 03:23:58 am
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

I'm prepared to wait.

I bet somebody from your side--coughMorgrimcough--breaks first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 22, 2013, 03:50:39 am
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

I'm prepared to wait.

I bet somebody from your side--coughMorgrimcough--breaks first.

Wouldn't surprise me if the WWs did that.  Yet another reason this game rubs me the wrong way.  It's one thing to be BM, it's another to pair me with a bossy scum partner who throws me under the bus AND put me in a position where I lose even when the other team mislynches AND there's zero anyone can do about it.

Looking forward to May 20.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 22, 2013, 04:06:32 am
Vote: No lynch

Guys, this is a game. Let's not turn it into a non-game. I'm serious. This game cannot survive being put off for a month.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 22, 2013, 04:27:16 am
Morgrim has not posted in 5 days. I request a prod of Morgrim.

If he does not post, I expect the mod to dispense of him with a modkill. Then there will be one (possibly two) fewer werewolves to deal with.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 04:46:22 am
Morgrim has not posted in 5 days. I request a prod of Morgrim.

If he does not post, I expect the mod to dispense of him with a modkill. Then there will be one (possibly two) fewer werewolves to deal with.

There is nothing in this games rules that suggests the mod would do any such thing. Morgrim is, in fact, breaking no stated rules. So I recommend lowering your expectations, scum.

Why don't you join me in lynching Ashersky? Too scared to show CT what you really are?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 01:06:51 pm
Zzzz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 22, 2013, 01:16:41 pm
Woohoo, I go v/la and have 4 games in day. Now this is the only game in day and its absolutely dead.

Anyone listen to the theme song?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 01:19:23 pm
Woohoo, I go v/la and have 4 games in day. Now this is the only game in day and its absolutely dead.

Anyone listen to the theme song?

Hey, you know, I haven't. I'll go do that. Why not?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 22, 2013, 01:29:19 pm
Thank you ehalc, for giving me a new song to play on repeat.

Basically the first song, this is Halloween from nightmare before christmass(one of my very favorite movies) is just saying again that there are many monsters in our "town" the second song which I had not heard before did make it seem as though the ww's have a nk. Ghostbusters to me seemed a reference to a cult, I mean "if there's something strange I your neighborhood" sounds like cult to me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 01:33:57 pm
Thank you ehalc, for giving me a new song to play on repeat.

Basically the first song, this is Halloween from nightmare before christmass(one of my very favorite movies) is just saying again that there are many monsters in our "town" the second song which I had not heard before did make it seem as though the ww's have a nk. Ghostbusters to me seemed a reference to a cult, I mean "if there's something strange I your neighborhood" sounds like cult to me.

Well, Robz is in your neighborhood, right? MH's actually Ghosts? Possible. Then it's also possible that Morgrim is a ghost and cannot speak. Lots of things could be going on really.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 22, 2013, 01:51:24 pm
Wow ehalc, there may be some psychological study to be done about how much people will create connections to things but I you planned all this you really are amazing.

Pumpkins scream in the dead of night(alarmist?)

Trick or treat till the neighbors gonna die
It's our town everybody scream(this is sung by ghosts originally possibly the cult talking about the alarmist)

I am the one hiding under your bed
I am the one hiding under your stairs (not sure about these)

This is where the above song stops in the medley.
Next I have never head but found this

Werewolf prowling around better note let him in
Old lady got mutilated last night
Werewolves are running again(suggest a werewolf nk last night)

Then ghostbusters I think is self explanatory.
Though the line I ain't afraid of no ghost suggest someone is cult proof.

Galz are you a pumpkin ghostbusters?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 02:06:59 pm
It would be so much cooler if I was.  :'(
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 02:07:30 pm
Intersting.  Can you tell me about the NBC movie?  I don't know it. Are there different kinds monsters in it?  Also, ghostbusters is interesting.  Maybe that's another type of monster among us.  But who are the ghostbusters?? I would think CT--except we have no way to kill (or capture in those tube things)  the slimy things. Maybe it's monster hunters---I hope it is.  Robz would make sense as one.  But Mai and Lio were sure happy to kill human town Ct---that doesn't seem like the team I want to call wen there's something strange in my neighborhood. Galz---maybe he's the sciencey Ghostbuster. Maybe he has help.  I doubt it's MC---too scummy.  Maybe Morg....he has hardly said two words this game---not the "crazy fun weird" player I was told to expect. 

Re Raz-
I referred to his gang as zombies because he was recruited by them. He was not a monster at the start of the game---he was recruited/infected by them. To me it makes sense that all three of them (Raz/Eevee/arch) must have been zombies. Buy maybe he was actually a zombie jnknoen to his team, infected by another zombie(s)---that zombie is still among us.  (....I wonder if the smell of lemons masks the smell of rotting flesh??). So maybe Raz was in a group--inside a group--inside a group.  Sounds bastardly to me!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 02:07:55 pm
It would be so much cooler if I was.  :'(
Ha!  We both came to that conclusion!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 22, 2013, 02:45:01 pm
NBC is a movie about a Halloween town(the town in charge of making the holiday of Halloween and scaring people ect.) the leader jack skellington decides Halloween is boring and he wants to host Christmas instead so he kidnaps santa clause and tries to do Christmas(make and deliver presents) and it all goes horribly wrong because he ends up scaring people and ruining Christmas.

This is halloween is the song played when they introduce halloween town, there are werewolves, vampires, ghosts, an evil clown, and a few other monsters. The "bad" guy is the boogie man and his evil helpers who are kids.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 03:07:17 pm
NBC is a movie about a Halloween town(the town in charge of making the holiday of Halloween and scaring people ect.) the leader jack skellington decides Halloween is boring and he wants to host Christmas instead so he kidnaps santa clause and tries to do Christmas(make and deliver presents) and it all goes horribly wrong because he ends up scaring people and ruining Christmas.

This is halloween is the song played when they introduce halloween town, there are werewolves, vampires, ghosts, an evil clown, and a few other monsters. The "bad" guy is the boogie man and his evil helpers who are kids.
Interesting. I was asking my daughter about it and the number and alignment of the monsters in that show might have an interesting correlation...
Evil clown---Morg?!?!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 03:09:31 pm
Boogie man:  ash?  mC?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2013, 03:53:05 pm
Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2013, 04:05:00 pm
Thank you ehalc, for giving me a new song to play on repeat.

Basically the first song, this is Halloween from nightmare before christmass(one of my very favorite movies) is just saying again that there are many monsters in our "town" the second song which I had not heard before did make it seem as though the ww's have a nk. Ghostbusters to me seemed a reference to a cult, I mean "if there's something strange I your neighborhood" sounds like cult to me.

Not game related:

If you enjoyed it because a cappella is just amazing, I suggest checking out The Sing-Off.  The theme song video was the opening performance for season 3 week 7, with the theme "Superstar Medleys".  My favourite performance from that week was this Queen medley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJasmvWmaSA).

This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFIGmYnImIE) is the opening performance for week 10 of the same season, Mastermix themed (which I like a lot because I enjoy mashups).

The winner of the season was Pentatonix, which is just an incredible group.  Check out their official Youtube channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/PTXofficial).  I especially recommend this collaboration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh-72yBP7sw) they did with Lindsey Stirling (which is not a cappella, but it's worth it).

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 22, 2013, 04:07:09 pm
Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.

We've had this discussion before. We are playing by standard rules, are we not? We've all agreed that under standard rules, inaction day after day is impermissible. A player who does not participate after being prodded is eligible for replacement or modkill.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 22, 2013, 04:09:47 pm
Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.

We've had this discussion before. We are playing by standard rules, are we not? We've all agreed that under standard rules, inaction day after day is impermissible. A player who does not participate after being prodded is eligible for replacement or modkill.

You are generally correct, except we are playing "pretty much the standard rules".  That leaves me some bastard wiggle room.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 22, 2013, 04:13:56 pm
Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.

We've had this discussion before. We are playing by standard rules, are we not? We've all agreed that under standard rules, inaction day after day is impermissible. A player who does not participate after being prodded is eligible for replacement or modkill.

You are generally correct, except we are playing "pretty much the standard rules".  That leaves me some bastard wiggle room.

Sure, and you can do whatever you want. But I would think you would be more inclined to modkill in a bastard game, not less.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 04:34:23 pm
I think Robz should be modkilled for daring to try and make the mod do anything in a bastard game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 04:35:23 pm
I think Robz should be modkilled for daring to try and make the mod do anything in a bastard game.

And yes, you should feel free to modkill me for this right along with Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 06:36:14 pm
.......munches popcorn.......
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 22, 2013, 10:02:11 pm
.......twiddles thumbs..........
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 22, 2013, 10:03:08 pm
..........waits the WW out...........
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 22, 2013, 10:08:54 pm
This is stupid! This is really stupid. >:(
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:11:18 pm
This is stupid! This is really stupid. >:(

I agree. Without Morgrim here to help us put Robz to L-1, I can't use my double-vote to hammer him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 22, 2013, 10:11:38 pm
This is stupid! This is really stupid. >:(
Then vote for mcmc and let the madness end!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 22, 2013, 10:16:49 pm
I agree that this is stupid. I'd totally love to be doing something, but there is nothing to do.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 10:19:50 pm
...and the frustration sets in

Yuma. Can you please hammer MC so we can kick this game back in gear?!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 22, 2013, 10:23:43 pm
Question for Robz, why not Ash?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 10:31:11 pm
Yes....why does anyone believe anything ash says...when we lynch him he dies....period.  He's a lone wolf/vamp/zombie/boogie man
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:32:20 pm
Day 4 Start

Vote Count 4.1


Not voting (10): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Robz888, spiritbears, yuma

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:32:41 pm
Vote Count 4.1

Galzria (1): mail-mi
Mcmcsalot (2): Robz888, liopoil

Not voting (7): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, spiritbears

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:33:02 pm
Vote Count 4.2

Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, liopoil, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (3): Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:33:37 pm
Vote Count 4.3

ashersky (1): Galzria
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (2): Dsell, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

I'm sending a prod to Morgrim now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:34:19 pm
Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:34:53 pm
Just looking.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 10:37:20 pm
Just looking.
For what?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 10:38:04 pm
Just looking.
For what?

Anything that tips what's going on with Yuma.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 22, 2013, 10:55:39 pm
I think in the next three vote counts, [redacted] will be lunched.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 10:56:39 pm
Yuma is town.  Hammer down!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 11:06:53 pm
I think in the next three vote counts, [redacted] will be lunched.

But it's not been incremental. It was: 0, 2, 2, 3.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 11:07:28 pm
Vote: [redacted]
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 22, 2013, 11:08:02 pm
Vote: [redacted]

Anybody care to join me in lynching this fool?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 22, 2013, 11:11:28 pm
Vote: [redacted]

Anybody care to join me in lynching this fool?
We'll see what the next vote count looks like.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 22, 2013, 11:54:00 pm
Vote: [redacted]

Anybody care to join me in lynching this fool?
Got something better to do? 
Why not
unvote; Vote: [redacted]
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 23, 2013, 02:16:28 am
Redacted is probably yuma, actually.  So lynching redacting probably = no lynch.  Just sends the game into night.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 23, 2013, 02:37:18 am
Question for Robz, why not Ash?

Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 23, 2013, 02:46:25 am
Question for Robz, why not Ash?

Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.

No, it is not what ash wants.  Ash wants Robz to be lynched.  My dying is a side effect of that, but well worth it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 23, 2013, 08:46:06 am
I actually think yuma is voting for ash, but lets break this down.
I am thinking he is either voting for someone at (*) or his vote puts them at (*) so we need to look at his vote.

Vote Count 4.2

Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, liopoil, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (3): Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Count 4.2: yuma has to be voting for someone who already has 2 votes on him, this would be robz who is then in actuality at 3 votes. There is noone at 1 vote so yuma can't be a second vote on someone.

Vote Count 4.3

ashersky (1): Galzria
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma

Not voting (2): Dsell, Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

I'm sending a prod to Morgrim now.
Count 4.3: If we follow our above rule yuma is still voting for robz who is actually at 3 votes. The other option here is that yuma's vote counted in the total next to his name, so he would be voting for ashersky putting him to the (2) that shows up for yuma.

Vote Count 4.4

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT

Morgrim has been prodded a second time.  If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do.  I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules.  But still... it's unfortunate.
Count 4.4: Now we get messed up there is noone at 3 votes so yuma cannot be a vote that doesn't show up. The second option works here, he could be still voting for ashersky putting him at the *3) that shows up next to yuma.

Hang on galz do you actually have a double vote? does it show up? If you do and it doesn't that explains everything, yuma is voting for a person at (*) In 4.2 he is voting for robz at (2) In 4.3 he is voting for ashersky who is actually at (3) because of your double vote, In 4.4 he is still on ashersky who is at (3) due to your double vote.

If you have no double vote I don't see a consistent pattern for yuma to be voting for anyone. 4.2 has noone for yuma to put to (2) and 4.4 has noone at (3)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 23, 2013, 12:14:56 pm
If you look back Yuma has been included in the vote count since he first "tagged". It was also used by eHal to require more votes for the Joth lynch. (EHal trying to dissuade town from makin that big mistake that got us here).  But I think you are overcomplicsting things MC. Why would a name be redacted?  Because thy are dead?  Or because they are not dead and eHal's trying to prevent that conspiracy from coming out.  Or maybe they are dead and alive at the same time (Morg?). It is also common among cults to keep the sunshine off records. The cult of eHal doesn't want any sunshine on its proselytizing...
Oh and galz was completely making up the double vote..no need to give that any credence. So lets have a vote we can all agree on:
unvote;  vote: Yuma  
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 23, 2013, 12:21:30 pm
On second thought. 
I think it's time to cut out friend Moregrimthanyou7 free.  I've seen absolutely none of his famously insane playing this game.  Mostly he's just not posti f in this thread....from the beginning (except when he responded to my first ore for him by voting for himself briefly).  He's just not a big part of this game. Ww will still have 3 (and outnumber ct) so it's not an unfair vote. (And who knows if he's really a ww.....I have BIG doubts.  Supposedly Morg loves scum...the. Why has he abandoned a game where he gets what he wants?  I don't believe it. He's some other lowly position. And just got tired of it.
unvote;vote Morgrim7
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 23, 2013, 02:12:47 pm
Vote Count 4.5

ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (4): Robz888, Axxle, mail-mi, liopoil
Morgrim7 (1): spiritbears
Robz888 (1): ashersky

no lynch (1): Dsell

Not voting (1): Morgrim7

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 23, 2013, 02:21:33 pm
Oh! Does Yuma only appear when someone is at L-1, with the # of votes equaling the total number of times someone has hit L-1?

So in vote counts 4,2 & 4.3, mcmc was at L-1, making Yuma appear. Between 4.1 & 4.2, did mcmc hit L-1 twice (someone voted, unvoted, then revoted, perhaps?) Then, between .2 & .3 nothing changed, but between .3 & .4, there was an unvote and revote, making 3 L-1 counts (and Yuma at (3) on redacted).

Now, if Spirit were to revote Mcmc, would redacted have 4?

I'll need to look into the actual votes cast and order in comparison to vote counts given. But no time atm.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Axxle on April 23, 2013, 02:28:46 pm
Question for Robz, why not Ash?

Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.

No, it is not what ash wants.  Ash wants Robz to be lynched.  My dying is a side effect of that, but well worth it.
Just popping in to say that this makes no sense, if you're lovers you should be fine with you getting lynched too since that will kill Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 23, 2013, 03:15:29 pm
Question for Robz, why not Ash?

Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.

No, it is not what ash wants.  Ash wants Robz to be lynched.  My dying is a side effect of that, but well worth it.
Just popping in to say that this makes no sense, if you're lovers you should be fine with you getting lynched too since that will kill Robz.
Yes!  I think we can now put the whole ash-robz lovers claim to bed.
Also, lets test galz theory:
unvote; vote Mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 23, 2013, 03:16:58 pm
Also---
Every time I see MC's name I think about MC McPeepants....(I want candyz fr the shortez
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 24, 2013, 05:51:59 pm
bump... nothing to say though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 24, 2013, 05:55:55 pm
just saw Yuma viewing this thread. So, I think he's in the game.  I remember in Chateau he never posted, and specifically asked arch if he could do that. ehalc said somewhere that he could throw another player in. So I think Yuma is 100% in the game, has a bastard role that has redacted votes... and has a wincon separate from the WW and town. How about we lynch him?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 24, 2013, 06:06:21 pm
Vote: Yuma

Anything to get us out of this rut.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 24, 2013, 06:08:04 pm
let's have a vote count first.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 24, 2013, 06:08:54 pm
hey guys im back.

Do not vote for morgrim, he stole Jorbles role and is lynchproof
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 24, 2013, 06:57:13 pm
Vote: Yuma

Anything to get us out of this rut.

You guys already tried this before, I think, and it did not work.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 24, 2013, 10:26:26 pm
Vote: Yuma

Anything to get us out of this rut.

You guys already tried this before, I think, and it did not work.

Ugh. Vote: No Lynch

GUYS. Don't you see that we are at a complete impasse here? If we wait until the deadline, are you going to remember what was happening in this game well enough to figure things out? What if everything is not as crystal clear as it now seems? This is an eHalcyon game about freaking conspiracy theories. YOU THINK WE'VE GOT THIS FIGURED OUT??? If we wait until May 20th, how many people do you think are still going to want to participate in this game? I'm not. I'm really, really not. I will not quit but I will continue very begrudgingly. Is that how anyone here really wants to win? Because their "team" happened to have more people willing to hold out for a month? Is that playing the game of mafia?

I URGE you all to vote no lynch in order to prevent this game from reaching a complete standstill. I'd love to keep playing this game and the other players are making that rather impossible, and I'm not very happy about it. I'm not in any other games and I don't plan on joining any more. This game is my last hurrah for a while, and right now it sucks.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 24, 2013, 10:37:42 pm
No. Not until moth is either prodded into joining or is replaced. Dual. Please replace him if he doesnt want to play
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 24, 2013, 10:38:14 pm
Morg.  Not moth
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 24, 2013, 10:41:32 pm
Ye, what SB said. We need to know what every player is willing to do, and we don't know about Morg. He needs to post, be replaced, or removed from the game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 24, 2013, 10:43:36 pm
Ditto
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 24, 2013, 10:44:35 pm
Still getting the hang of my new phone. Obviously ehal turned into "dual"
Oopsies
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 24, 2013, 11:11:26 pm
No. Not until moth is either prodded into joining or is replaced. Dual. Please replace him if he doesnt want to play

Morg hasn't even responded.  He apparently has been in the forums but he has not posted since the 17th.  I am looking for a replacement...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 24, 2013, 11:12:57 pm
For all any of you know he can't post. He died once already, so who the hell knows what's going on. He's been prodded. He's been on. He's not posted. At this point you should just get over it.

Vote: No Lynch

Unlike Dsell, I will officially request replacement if this is going to be pure stall until the 20th.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 24, 2013, 11:24:41 pm
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 24, 2013, 11:35:22 pm
For all any of you know he can't post. He died once already, so who the hell knows what's going on. He's been prodded. He's been on. He's not posted. At this point you should just get over it.

Vote: No Lynch

Unlike Dsell, I will officially request replacement if this is going to be pure stall until the 20th.

This, but keeping my vote of Robz, who we should all vote for.

We don't even have all votes cast here.  Crazy.

I think Mod Action is better than No Lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 24, 2013, 11:37:04 pm
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.

This is just frustrating. You won't outlast me, you can't. My competitive side just will not let that happen. But in the meantime we are going NOWHERE and it sucks, it really really sucks.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 24, 2013, 11:39:40 pm
This is like the last thing I want to have happen in a bastard game modded by eHal. It's a disgrace to what would undoubtedly be an incredible game otherwise.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 24, 2013, 11:42:13 pm
Well, both Jorbles and Archetype have offered to sub back in, in place of Morgrim.  I favour Jorbles in this situation for what should be obvious reasons.  I'll make the sub probably Friday, if nothing else comes up (I will by V/LA for most of tomorrow, I think).

In the meantime, this could be my mod action: you can all privately let me know what moves you are willing to make today and what moves you are absolutely not going to make.  If there's no chance of moving forward with a lynch, I will just call it a no lynch and move to night immediately.

Of course, you guys could just post such things publicly and determine yourselves if there's any chance of you moving forward...

/bastard mod makes suggestions
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 24, 2013, 11:43:41 pm
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.

This is just frustrating. You won't outlast me, you can't. My competitive side just will not let that happen. But in the meantime we are going NOWHERE and it sucks, it really really sucks.

I agree. Robz is going out of his way to make the game unenjoyable by intentionally trying to stall the game to no end. It's deadlocked. It'll reach deadline and no lynch anyway since he refuses to make any compromises. But rather than just vote it out to no lynch now he's intentionally dragging it out.

It's basically a middle finger to everybody actually interested in playing. So yes, ridiculously frustrating.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 24, 2013, 11:44:57 pm
This is like the last thing I want to have happen in a bastard game modded by eHal. It's a disgrace to what would undoubtedly be an incredible game otherwise.

Basically, yes.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 24, 2013, 11:45:29 pm
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.

This is just frustrating. You won't outlast me, you can't. My competitive side just will not let that happen. But in the meantime we are going NOWHERE and it sucks, it really really sucks.

I agree. Robz is going out of his way to make the game unenjoyable by intentionally trying to stall the game to no end. It's deadlocked. It'll reach deadline and no lynch anyway since he refuses to make any compromises. But rather than just vote it out to no lynch now he's intentionally dragging it out.

It's basically a middle finger to everybody actually interested in playing. So yes, ridiculously frustrating.

Just playing to the town win con. Sorry!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 24, 2013, 11:45:51 pm
I will not move my vote under any circumstance.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 24, 2013, 11:50:34 pm
I'm not doing anything until moth's replacement weighs in. 
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 25, 2013, 01:20:24 am
Other than lynch Robz, I would self-hammer to 1) GTFO this game, and 2) kill fun-killing Robz who is a terrible scum partner/lover and must die with me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 25, 2013, 01:32:33 am
I am willing to lynch anyone who's not claimed werewolf but that's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN CLEARLY so I am just hoping for a no-lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 25, 2013, 01:45:31 am
I'm sorry if you guys are truly upset at me (I don't think you are). I know this game is just for fun, it doesn't matter SO much... but I would have to like deliberately do something that hurts my side's chances of winning, you know?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 25, 2013, 01:45:48 am
I will vote for anyone other than Dsell, Mcmc, Morg or myself. I'm currently voting no lynch since that's what this is at this point, and it's idiotic that we should be forced to wait 3 weeks to get to the same F'ing result.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 25, 2013, 01:47:12 am
I'm sorry if you guys are truly upset at me (I don't think you are). I know this game is just for fun, it doesn't matter SO much... but I would have to like deliberately do something that hurts my side's chances of winning, you know?

How is no lynch any worse for you than it is for us? If we had half the town and a nightkill we would have already won.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 25, 2013, 01:47:48 am
Oh right I would lynch Ashersky too, since he's offered to do that.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 25, 2013, 01:57:31 am
Do you think eHal would let us copy our PMs in?  We could redact QT links, obviously.

Then you would all see how Robz and I are Vampires and the Scum team.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 25, 2013, 02:00:46 am
First rule is that we can't copy our PMs.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 25, 2013, 02:04:41 am
First rule is that we can't copy our PMs.

I know.  That's why I asked if he might let us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 25, 2013, 02:27:03 am
Just paraphrase, if you must.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Axxle on April 25, 2013, 02:47:02 am
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 25, 2013, 08:27:37 am
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)
Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 25, 2013, 08:57:09 am
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)
Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!

Don't copy an paste, you wanna see his flip so bad lynch him!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 25, 2013, 10:00:52 am
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)
Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!

Don't copy an paste, you wanna see his flip so bad lynch him!
Don't really need to see his flip...he's scum that has tried to play both sides.  But by all means...copy-paste away!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 25, 2013, 07:43:32 pm
Vote: No lynch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 25, 2013, 07:44:40 pm
actually, wait, Vote: mcmc

I want to see a vote count first. Then I'll probably vote for no lynch.


Ehalc, vote count please?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 25, 2013, 10:24:02 pm
I know this is going against robz, but I am willing to vote ash if this is what is going to move the game along. Also no lynch and any ww besides morg/jorbles
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 25, 2013, 10:32:17 pm
No, do not vote for ash.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 26, 2013, 10:27:57 am
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)
Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!

Don't copy an paste, you wanna see his flip so bad lynch him!
Don't really need to see his flip...he's scum that has tried to play both sides.  But by all means...copy-paste away!


I know this is going against robz, but I am willing to vote ash if this is what is going to move the game along. Also no lynch and any ww besides morg/jorbles

So here we go, spirit, you want him to get modkilled but you won't lynch him???
And mail-mi sounds good to me, lynching ash cannot somehow give ww's an advantage, but I'm willing to lose a ww and a mh if ash is just good old ww vengekill, lose just a ww if ash is just crazy, or lose two vampires if they are lovers as ash said. I see no advantage from ww perspective over "town"(we do gain advantage over just mh group but if they claim to be on the same team as CT it shouldn't matter)

So as you see its even for mh(slightly bad if its a ww venge/mh and your not aligned with ct) for the CT I have no idea why you don't want to take this offer, it takes out at least one not CT maybe two.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 03:15:22 pm
And CT will be able to see us MH are actually town
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2013, 03:21:55 pm
Vote Count 4.6

ashersky (1): mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, mail-mi, spiritbears, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky

no lynch (2): Dsell, Galzria

Not voting (1): Jorgrim

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 26, 2013, 03:22:38 pm
Jorbles is replacing Morgrim.  It has come full circle.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 03:26:28 pm
Jorbles! Vote for mcmc, he is a bad bad bad wolf!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 03:57:51 pm
Oh hi guys. I'm not going to vote for my best buddy bro times mcmc.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Robz888 on April 26, 2013, 04:06:08 pm
Oh hi guys. I'm not going to vote for my best buddy bro times mcmc.

Oh come on. It's what Morigrim would do! Be the Morgrim!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 04:13:12 pm
I have been following things and I have some ideas on how to break the deadlock.

First idea: Conspiracy Theorists are I think in the kingmaking position. I think they can win with us or win with the Monster Hunters. I don't know this for a fact, but we can't kill them except by lynching, which I am not inclined to do while MHs are still out there. We don't have a night kill as far as I know. My Jorbles PM didn't indicate that the CTs need to die for me to win. It just says threats to WWs. That means only the faction with a night kill, the Monster Hunters. If we don't kill the CTs I think we can share a win with them unless their Win Con makes this impossible. Are we down with not going after the claimed CTs? I am anyways.

Second idea: What if someone is hated or someone has a way to manipulate votes that they don't want to use on mcmc? (ie: they're a WW or they don't agree that lynching mcmc is a good idea or they're just hated and haven't told us.) To test this I suggest we try taking every player not in the WW faction up to L-1. The other side can try this if they feel like it, also. Since I am with the claimed WWs I suggest we try this starting with the MHs, and then if we have to the CTs, though I'd really rather not. Let's start with Robz since he seems to be doing everything in his power to prevent a flip of any of the MHs, an event that might prove to the CTs that they aren't on the same side as the MHs. Vote: Robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 04:34:56 pm
Dsell, Galzria, mcmc, let's see if any players are hated! Voting no lynch is like rolling over for the MHs. They'll just keep killing us. Vote for Robz!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 04:38:23 pm
Dsell, Galzria, mcmc, let's see if any players are hated! Voting no lynch is like rolling over for the MHs. They'll just keep killing us. Vote for Robz!
No vote for mcmc!

And i know my teammates  don't want me to do this, but if the consensous is to vote for ashersky, I might vote for him just to end this day.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 26, 2013, 04:40:26 pm
Vote: Robz. My first choice anyway.

Also, I'm 97% sure Mail-mi has a flip modifier, so killing him will not show that MH are not town. Would need to be liopoil or Robz.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 04:42:51 pm
Vote: Robz. My first choice anyway.

Also, I'm 97% sure Mail-mi has a flip modifier, so killing him will not show that MH are not town. Would need to be liopoil or Robz.
DUUUUUUUUUUDE  I have no flip modifier and the MONSTER HUNTERS ARE TOWN!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 26, 2013, 04:47:13 pm
vote: robz

YAAAY my jorb-a-dorbs is back!!!

Seee guys I told you were friendly lover ww's who just want peace in the town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 04:48:55 pm
YAAAY my jorb-a-dorbs is back!!!

This made me LOlL
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 05:55:24 pm
Also for flavour purposes I am imagining that my ghost has possessed Morgrim7.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 26, 2013, 05:58:16 pm
Vote: No Lynch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 26, 2013, 06:01:26 pm
Dsell, Galzria, mcmc, let's see if any players are hated! Voting no lynch is like rolling over for the MHs. They'll just keep killing us. Vote for Robz!

I suppose we could try to see if someone's hated. Vote: Robz
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 06:10:29 pm
Should we wait for a post from eHalc in the form of a vote count (or just saying something without locking the thread) or just start trying other players?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 26, 2013, 06:11:51 pm
try other players. If he's hated it won't matter.


Shall we test the WW?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 06:16:38 pm
If he's hated it won't, but what if Galzria's theory about the yuma voting is correct in which case every time someone hits L-1 makes someone more likely to be lynched.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 26, 2013, 06:18:59 pm
Although the yuma votes haven't shown up recently so they may not matter. Any WWs want to pick whether we should see if liopoil or mail-mi is hated next?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 26, 2013, 06:27:46 pm
Well we know mcmc isn't hated and Jorbs (can I call you that?) is lynchproof, so Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 26, 2013, 06:28:38 pm
we don't know that jorbles is lynchproof. This...is...a...bastard...game


Vote: Galzria
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 26, 2013, 07:32:36 pm
So we are at L-1 on Robz?

Vote: liopoil next then.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 27, 2013, 01:25:53 am
Thank you eHal for rescuing this game!  It was by far the best one out there and I was deeply disappointed in Morgrim's play (or mote like lack of playing)...I was really expecting some whsckedness to go with the great flavor of this game.  So thank you Jorbles (omg it just autocorrected jorbles to "horny" and then "jobless")...for jumping in and saving our game!!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 27, 2013, 11:59:56 am
vote: liopoil this is a crazy plan but hey lets see how it goes.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 27, 2013, 12:08:01 pm
where's the rest of the green peeps to see if any of the WW are hated? we're doing galz first. Then Dsell, then jorbles. We've already tested mcmc, and we aren't going to test ashersky. After all that, we should test the no lynch.


btw, I'm not hated, so don't bother testing me ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Axxle on April 27, 2013, 02:52:58 pm
Vote: Galz
I don't even know what's happening anymore.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 27, 2013, 03:17:41 pm
Vote: liopoil
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 27, 2013, 04:44:42 pm
vote:galz
Why aren't we voting ash....that's the real line in the sand I think
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 27, 2013, 04:46:18 pm
Where is robz so we can see if he's hated?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 27, 2013, 05:38:41 pm
He's next door in the samurai game
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 27, 2013, 05:46:24 pm
You should tell him to come vote for galz!

But seriously, don't. Don't talk about ongoing mafia games outside their respective threads.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 27, 2013, 07:46:19 pm
Need Ash here to vote for liopoil as well, so that we can move on to Mail-Mi if the liopoil vote doesn't work. Although I dislike the Mail-Mi lynch because of the false information it'll provide. Still, it's better than no-lynch if it goes through.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 27, 2013, 07:50:28 pm
vote: liopoil
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 27, 2013, 07:50:59 pm
That's only 4.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 27, 2013, 07:52:14 pm
Dsell, come vote liopoil please.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 29, 2013, 12:12:42 am
Vote: Liopoil
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 29, 2013, 12:13:18 am
Vote: mail-mi

That was L-1 on liopoil.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 29, 2013, 12:13:45 am
Vote: mail-mi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 12:16:57 am
Okay I know that this is going against my fellow MHs. Would all the other WW be willing to lynch ash? If you all do it I will probably throw the hammer down.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Dsell on April 29, 2013, 12:17:56 am
Okay I know that this is going against my fellow MHs. Would all the other WW be willing to lynch ash? If you all do it I will probably throw the hammer down.

I would do this but not until we've put you to L-1, probably.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 29, 2013, 12:20:05 am
Okay I know that this is going against my fellow MHs. Would all the other WW be willing to lynch ash? If you all do it I will probably throw the hammer down.

I would do this but not until we've put you to L-1, probably.

Correct
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 01:28:55 am
vote: mail-mi

I can help an ash lynch happen, if Robz really isn't.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 01:57:08 am
I don't like lynching ash it doesn't really help us, but I guess I could live with it.

Vote: mail-mi
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 02:03:31 am
I don't like lynching ash it doesn't really help us, but I guess I could live with it.

Vote: mail-mi

Trust me, getting rid of the two vampires (me and Robz) will help.  I still say lynch Robz, though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 06:36:59 am
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 09:52:28 am
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?
Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 09:58:19 am
Ash wants to be lynched, however he denies it. he will self-vote/hammer. if ash wants himself lynched, that means he think it works towards his win con. ash's win con is anti-our wincon. robz is more valuable to us than ashersky is to them. if lynching ashersky was a good idea for us, the ww wouldn't have voted for him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 09:59:52 am
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?
Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 10:01:43 am
Ash wants to be lynched, however he denies it. he will self-vote/hammer. if ash wants himself lynched, that means he think it works towards his win con. ash's win con is anti-our wincon. robz is more valuable to us than ashersky is to them. if lynching ashersky was a good idea for us, the ww wouldn't have voted for him.

If you still believe I'm a WW for some reason, why do you think the WWs are willing to lynch me?  They realize that I'm with Robz against everyone.  You clearly believe Robz over me, but still, a whole faction believes me over him.  That faction may be your enemy, but in this (killing off the vampire scum) you guys are aligned.

I'd rather we lynch Robz (I'm happy to die with him) just to mess with Robz's stats and stuff.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 10:02:43 am
Killing a ww at the expense of something that is worse for us then ash dying is for them. and who knows? maybe ash won't die.  we are already at even. we have a NK. they might not, or their NK might be soon eliminated. lowering the number of players does not help us. no lynch is strictly better, and we can force a no lynch.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 10:04:24 am
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?
Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
...and the CT can see we're town.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 10:04:49 am
I refuse to believe that ashersky is playing for revenge against robz or something. ashersky is trying to win. and if he isn't, then I think that's somewhat against the spirit of the game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 10:07:00 am
One of us will likely be NKed anyway. and the CT have reason enough to believe we're town. and all this is irrelevant: ashersky wants to be lynched. ashersky is trying to win. if ashersky wins we lose. we want to win. therefore, we don't want to lynch ashersky.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 29, 2013, 11:36:19 am
vote: mail-mi

I'm cool with an ashersky lynch still.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: spiritbears on April 29, 2013, 12:02:19 pm
One of us will likely be NKed anyway. and the CT have reason enough to believe we're town. and all this is irrelevant: ashersky wants to be lynched. ashersky is trying to win. if ashersky wins we lose. we want to win. therefore, we don't want to lynch ashersky.
Or ash is just trying to stay alive by claiming to want to be lynched (rev psych)....which seems to be working great!!
Priblem is Ash has cried Wolf (and bajo) way to many times to beieve anything he este.
unvote; vote ash
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 12:13:41 pm
He doesn't need to convince us not to lynch him. if he didn't want to be lynched all he has to do is tell his WW not to vote for him.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 29, 2013, 12:18:26 pm
That was 5 for Mail-Mi, so I'm good moving on. I would prefer Ash to a CT, so Vote: Ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Axxle on April 29, 2013, 01:30:48 pm
Vote: ash
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 29, 2013, 02:58:57 pm
Vote Count 4.7

ashersky (3): spiritbears, Galzria, Axxle
Galzria (2): mail-mi, liopoil
mail-mi (4): Dsell, ashersky, Jorgrim, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (1): Robz888

No lynch (1): yuma

Not voting (0)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 03:00:04 pm
Vote: No lynch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 04:07:16 pm
Hey yuma's back. I still don't like lynching ashersky, and would rather check the CTs for hatedness. With Galzria on board I can't do anything to stop it, though.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 05:12:40 pm
Hey yuma's back. I still don't like lynching ashersky, and would rather check the CTs for hatedness. With Galzria on board I can't do anything to stop it, though.

You and Dsell might as well vote for me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mcmcsalot on April 29, 2013, 05:16:02 pm
vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:16:48 pm
spiritbears, please unvote...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:17:52 pm
spiritbears, please unvote...
And yes, I said that because I'm scared that ashersky will reveal our true colors.....

(not really, in case you didn't realize)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 05:28:34 pm
vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:30:17 pm
L-1 and jorbles is online, spiritbears is offline... uh-oh.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 05:31:55 pm
It's gonna happen anyway. Vote: ashersky.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 05:32:48 pm
Sure let's see what happens. Onwards and upwards.

vote: ashersky
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:34:12 pm
wow. Well, let's see what happens now...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 05:34:43 pm
Com on lio join the wagon! All the cool kids are doing it (well, except Robz.)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:35:17 pm
No thanks!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 05:36:28 pm
eHal you're online, post the flip!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:37:53 pm
Or you could just, let the day keep going...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 05:39:33 pm
Or you could just, let the day keep going...
Or not.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 05:41:25 pm
I'm at L+1 now.  Definitely dead.  No vamps left.

I suggest taking out the actual monster hunters!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 05:42:12 pm
Did you really have a vengekill?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 05:43:24 pm
Did you really have a vengekill?

Did you believe either claim?  And do you think I would play against my wincon in any instance?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 05:46:10 pm
I believed you were not a werewolf, not sure if I believe you are a vampire. I am just hoping that killing you can still take down Robz. Any way to get one of the MHs to flip is good in my books.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:46:43 pm
do you think I would play against my wincon in any instance?
NO! I told them.....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 05:47:15 pm
prediction: ashersky flips jester, isn't really jester, comes back to life next day.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: mail-mi on April 29, 2013, 05:48:04 pm
prediction: ashersky flips jester, isn't really jester, comes back to life next day.
That sounds familiar...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Galzria on April 29, 2013, 06:51:18 pm
Oh eHaaaaal
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: ashersky on April 29, 2013, 06:52:17 pm
I believed you were not a werewolf, not sure if I believe you are a vampire. I am just hoping that killing you can still take down Robz. Any way to get one of the MHs to flip is good in my books.

You think I'm not a ww or vampire?  What am I then?

I promise one of my claims is true.  Either way, Robz dies.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 06:52:44 pm
see, obviously ashersky is lynchproof and no number of votes on him does anything and so ashersky is just messing with us.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: Jorbles on April 29, 2013, 06:54:00 pm
I worried you might have been some sort of MH aligned traitor, but it's a lot more likely you're a vampire. If this kills Robz than I'm happy.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 4)
Post by: liopoil on April 29, 2013, 06:56:16 pm
If robz dies, I'm actually interested to see his flip. I'm worried that maybe he was recruited by mcmc+jorbles and stuff and isn't aligned with us anymore.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 29, 2013, 06:59:04 pm
Another day, another lynch.  The people of London are no longer entirely sure of their goal.  Are they trying to get rid of monsters?  Are they trying to protect werewolves?  Opinions are confused and divided. 

In the end, however, most townsfolk decide that they do not care a lick for vampires.  Thus, when one such creature of the night offers himself up, the town is happy to dust him.

But when the town executioner (have we even introduced him in this tale yet?  Eh, whatever) stabs ashersky with a wooden stake, he does not die!  "Owwww", he moans.  But he is still alive.

"Try this," shouts someone from the crowd, and a new weapon is tossed into the executioner's waiting hands.  It is another stake, but this one is made of silver.  Even as certain villagers cry out in new protest, the executioner shrugs and stabs the shiny weapon into ashersky's heart.

"Ugh, that did it", he groans, slumping over.  The replacement coroner checks the body and then announces, "ashersky the Vengeful Werewolf Rolecop is dead!"

A familiar crimson smoke rises up from the still-warm body.  It swiftly fills the town hall and then compresses into a narrow column of bloody mist centered on one man.  The smoke rushes into his gaping mouth and he falls to the ground.  Once again, the replacement coroner checks the body.

"Robz888 the Werewolf Tracker is also dead..."

And with that, the day's meeting is hastily concluded.



Vote Count 4.8

ashersky (6): spiritbears, Galzria, Axxle, mcmcsalot, ashersky, yuma
Galzria (1): mail-mi
mail-mi (2): Dsell, Jorgrim
Mcmcsalot (1): Robz888

No lynch (1): liopoil

Not voting (0)

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Lynch occurred on: April 29, 3:30pm MDT
deadline was: Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
time banked: 20 days (rounded up a bit)

Night 4 has begun.
All QTs are now unlocked.  Night actions are due in 2 days at 5PM MDT on Wednesday, May 1.

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on April 29, 2013, 07:08:06 pm
Slight mistake in the flip -- Robz was a tracker, not a watcher.  It has been corrected.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 4)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 01, 2013, 01:23:23 am
The night action deadline is coming up but I will be semi-V/LA.  If you haven't submitted an action yet, I suggest that you do.  If I don't check in before the deadline, I'll probably accept late actions.  But you should submit actions earlier to be safer...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 01, 2013, 11:20:42 pm
Day 5 hits and the bodies are really starting to pile up.  The local gravedigger is happy for the business. 

The first body uncovered today belongs to the venerable Galzria, Werewolf Alarmist Doctor.  He was stabbed through the heart, like many others before him.  Always a bit of an old coot, he was usually found nattering on about some sort of Terrifying Cult.  Few believed his warnings, but they tolerated his rambling nature because he was the best doctor around who didn't charge.  That he was a werewolf was somewhat surprising, but he did howl at the moon every other night.  Perhaps that should have tipped off the villagers.

The second body belongs to yuma.  He was always an inconspicuous fellow.  A bit of a hermit, really.  Was he a werewolf?  A zombie?  A regular old man?  Moreover, how did he die?  Alarmingly, we may never know -- when the villagers tried examine his corpse, it abruptly faded away.

The third -- yes, third! -- body is that of spiritbears, Zombie Conspiracy Theorist.  Refreshingly, his death is of a more mundane nature -- his head was blown off by a shotgun.  A fitting end for a brain-eater!

But that's not all!  A fourth bloody body is found, but this one seems to be aliveRobz888 has been resurrected.  The poor man is quite jittery at the moment, so try not to startle him with any sudden movements.  Who knows how the afterlife may have affected his psyche?

I can see that the town council has a lot to handle now.  I shall leave you all to your bureacratic communal murder.

Oh, by the way -- today's Theme Song is this tremendous freestlye rap by Alison Brie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjtbM0upvbA) (remixed by Tzachi B). Appropriate, no?

Day 5 Start

Vote Count 5.1


Not voting (7): Axxle, Dsell, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Robz888

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

20 banked days + 7 new days = 27 days to deadline
hard deadline is Tuesday May 28, 9:30pm MDT

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Robz888 on May 01, 2013, 11:23:55 pm
I do not know why I flipped as a werewolf. I was not, and am not, a werewolf.

I am no longer a Monster Hunter, either. I am a Conspiracy Theorist.

Everything else is as it always was. Our goal--the goal of the Monster Hunters and the Conspiracy Theorists--is to eliminate the scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Axxle on May 01, 2013, 11:30:25 pm
I can verify that Robz is now a CT.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 02, 2013, 01:48:49 am
I am going to continue trying to be more productive IRL during weekdays, so expect fewer vote counts and such by me...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Axxle on May 02, 2013, 01:52:58 am
Productive? Produce more vote counts! :)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 06:52:24 am
NOBODY saw that coming... robz, could you track last night? can you post in our QT? also, it seems that we have a majority. and I think mcmcsalot is our target... yes?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 06:55:39 am
Wow, robz got to read the MH qt, the CT QT, AND the ww QT last night... what did the ww plot?  also, I do not trust robz, but if he's willing to lynch ww then he's okay for now.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: mail-mi on May 02, 2013, 09:44:29 am
Vote: Dsell he has a NK.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Robz888 on May 02, 2013, 12:47:21 pm
I can no longer track, but I can post in any qt.

Yes, by all means, let's lynch WW. Mcmc it is?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 03:25:22 pm
I'd rather hit two of them by killing mcmc and morgrim who are lovers. we can vig dsell. Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 03:26:12 pm
I can no longer track, but I can post in any qt.

Yes, by all means, let's lynch WW. Mcmc it is?
why didn't you post in our QT last night? because you were dead?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Robz888 on May 02, 2013, 03:26:21 pm
Vote: mcmcsalot
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Robz888 on May 02, 2013, 03:26:28 pm
I can no longer track, but I can post in any qt.

Yes, by all means, let's lynch WW. Mcmc it is?
why didn't you post in our QT last night? because you were dead?

Correct.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 03:38:52 pm
Oh hey, we got another post from ehalc. it said robz is unusual and anxious, as opposed to the courage and bravado he had before he died.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: mail-mi on May 02, 2013, 04:10:55 pm
Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 06:36:29 pm
axxle, come hammer! we can have a less-than 24hr day! this is like blitz! it'll be even faster than our Day 1 and 2 lynches!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Axxle on May 02, 2013, 06:37:07 pm
Vote: mcmc
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 06:39:31 pm
hooray!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 06:40:01 pm
ehalc is online too!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 02, 2013, 06:42:47 pm
Really guys?  ???
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: mail-mi on May 02, 2013, 07:03:45 pm
Really guys?  ???
Rly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: Axxle on May 02, 2013, 07:09:45 pm
yarly
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 02, 2013, 07:24:39 pm
Did you guys even watch the theme song video? :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 5)
Post by: liopoil on May 02, 2013, 07:26:42 pm
I did a little, but then decided it was a bastard game and didn't care :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Night 5)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 02, 2013, 07:27:09 pm
It seemed like the day had hardly begun when the sun began to set.  And just as night fell, so did the swift hammer of justice.  After the so-called lynch, the executioner made a note not to use hammers of justice anymore -- they were very messy.  Axes of justice, perhaps.

mcmcsalot has been lynched -- he was a Bulletproof Werewolf Lover.

Not only that, but Jorgrim the Unlynchable Werewolf Lover has also died!  The poor fellow was already quite unstable, what with getting lynched and possessed and coming back from the dead... or did that happen to someone else entirely?  But the point is, he was a mess, and seeing his best bud die was not so healthy for him.

And so another day ends.

Vote Count 5.2

mcmcsalot (4): liopoil, Robz888, mail-mi, Axxle

Not voting (5): Dsell, mcmcsalot, Jorgrim, yuma

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lynch occurred on: May 2, 4:37pm MDT
deadline was: Tuesday May 28, 9:30pm MDT
time banked: 26 days (rounded down a bit)

Night 5 has begun.
All QTs are now unlocked.  Night actions are due in 2 days at 5:30PM MDT on Saturday, May 4.  Day may start early once night actions are confirmed.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 04, 2013, 11:57:09 pm
After the massacres discovered the previous few mornings, the remaining villagers are ready for worst.  As a pleasant(?) surprise, they only find ONE body this morning: Robz888, Zombie Conspiracy Theorist.  That seems different than the last time he died...

As the villagers gather at the town hall, they find that a note has been tacked onto the door:

Quote
Take care, dear friends, which masks you read as true,
for misplaced trust will spell the end for you. 

-- yuma

Don't be too hasty, gentlemen.

Today's theme song is this helpful public service announcement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJNR2EpS0jw).  Enjoy!

Day 6 Start

Vote Count 6.1


Not voting (4): Axxle, Dsell, liopoil, mail-mi

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

26 banked days + 7 new days = 33 days to deadline
hard deadline is Thursday June 6, 10:00pm MDT

Thread unlocked!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: mail-mi on May 05, 2013, 12:09:16 am
2 things:

Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Dsell on May 05, 2013, 12:37:24 am
Ugh I missed a whole night. I have a bit of internet now but may not have time to catch up, still mostly V/LA. I forget who is WW and who is something else but I suppose I can plop down a Vote: mail-mi.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: mail-mi on May 05, 2013, 12:42:46 am
Ugh I missed a whole night. I have a bit of internet now but may not have time to catch up, still mostly V/LA. I forget who is WW and who is something else but I suppose I can plop down a Vote: mail-mi.
Let me catch you up: You're the last werewolf left and the rest of us are town.



By the way, sorry you couldn't complete your NK last night  ;D.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 05, 2013, 12:50:37 am
By the way, sorry you couldn't complete your NK last night  ;D.

Everyone who had a night kill last night got to use it. ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 05, 2013, 08:56:41 am
Wooooo Vote: Dsell. axxle hammer again!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 05, 2013, 10:21:47 am
mail-mi and I are MH. Axxle is CT, probably not zombie. We killed robz because we aren't sure the CT are on our team, and if we killed Dsell it would be 2v2, potential draw, and a loss if the CT had a kill and killed one of us. We chose robz over axxle because we thought he might be zombie and zombie is probably bad. dsell is WW. So today we lynch Dsell and win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 05:52:21 pm
axxle...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 06:15:29 pm
Why did you guys kill Robz?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 06:16:03 pm
Why a "probably bad" over a werewolf?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 06:16:36 pm
Why a "probably bad" over a werewolf?
Or I should say "probably probably bad"
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 06:24:07 pm
Okay, so there were two scenarios: the CT are pro-MH (us), or: the CT are anti-us. if the CT are pro-MH we win no matter who we kill as long as it isn't a MH. if the CT are anti-MH then killing dsell might not result in a win for us. killing robz insured we win no matter what the alignment of the CT. from your perspective right now axxle: you win if you are aligned with us because we just lynch dsell. if you aren't aligned with us then you lose because we will no lynch and then kill you in the night.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: mail-mi on May 06, 2013, 06:24:38 pm
Why a "probably bad" over a werewolf?
Because we new we would win even if he died.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 06:44:49 pm
And now I have no idea if I can trust you or not.
Vote: No lynch
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 06:47:31 pm
That's right, you don't. however, if it is the case that you can't trust us, we will no lynch, and then nightkill you. what is your win condition?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 06:50:59 pm
Vote: mail-mi
Now you're just trying to bully me into giving you the win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 07:02:36 pm
At this point I'm having trouble seeing how we could lose, however, it's a bastard game, so who knows. anyway, if you aren't going to vote for dsell, I'll vote no lynch. or maybe... dsell, are you willing to lynch axxle?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 6)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 07:30:26 pm
It was not clear what had happened at first, but there was a body when the smoke cleared: liopoil has died; he was a Town Watcher!  He was shot by, of all weird things, a regular old pistol.

This new development was somewhat inconvenient, given that the town council was in the middle of a vote to mete out another bitter serving of lethal justice.  Nonetheless, the people of London had become inured to such random acts of violence, even if there was no ready explanation as to the source.  liopoil's votes were stricken from the record, and the bureaucratic machine continued unabated.

Thus the executioner stepped forward, now armed with an Axxle.  He swung the weapon down.

mail-mi has been lynched.  He was a Town Voyeur!


In the end, the council had cannibalized itself of its own players.  Only Axxle and Dsell remained.  Dsell had already admitted to being a Werewolf, but Axxle would have been suspicious even if he had not.  Such was his nature, as one of the original Conspiracy Theorists

And Axxle had the only gun left in the town.  For all his skill at Wire Tapping, Dsell had no means remaining to defend himself.  The next day, Axxle would finish off Dsell, a.k.a. Dick Cheney, Werewolf Wire-Tapping Seer and 1-Shotgun Vigilante.

Dsspite an inordinate amount of bloodshed over the last several days, the town was certainly free of monsters by now.  The remaining villagers were unimportant; even the most paranoid person would trust that they were human.  The simplest proof was that they were mere NPCs that only existed in flavour paragraphs.

So it was that Axxle could at last rest easy.  The town of London was safe at last.

Vote Count 6.2

Dsell (1): liopoil
mail-mi (2): Dsell, Axxle

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.


GAME OVER!  Conspiracy Theorists Win! WEREWOLVES win!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: yuma on May 06, 2013, 07:31:46 pm
Did I win?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 07:34:19 pm
I am compiling everything together for an info post now, but feel free to speculate.  There was some real bastardry afoot though. :)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 07:35:48 pm
Nice job Addis!!!! Very well played!
CT all the way!!!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 07:36:13 pm
Axxle not Addis
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists W
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 07:36:28 pm
Butbut why did I die? :(  and it seems that my wincon has been satisfied as well. all threats to the town have been eliminated right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 07:39:21 pm
I think I'll let eHalc explain.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists W
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 07:40:11 pm
Yuma did you kill me? would we  have won if we had killed dsell? :(
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 07:40:40 pm
Nice job Addis!!!! Very well played!
CT all the way!!!
Whew, thanks!
I didn't realize there was a way for us to win till the end there since I misread something.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 07:40:52 pm
Mod Notes (http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/5bPqBx5BQg5), containing my random thoughts as the game progressed, as well as the flavour sent privately to certain players each night.  For your amusement.

QTs for everyone else (OPs contain their role descriptions):

Monster Hunters HQ (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/UxcPdAwb8JXVa), belonging to Robz, lio and sparky/mail-mi

Conspiracy Theorists HQ (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/bN3HaXiKi354), belonging to jotheonah, Razzishi, spiritbears, Axxle and Axxle2, and also to Robz888 near the end.
Conspiracy Theorists Regroup (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/KF5n5L9EgVA), after Razz became untrustworthy.

Werewolf Den (of Love) (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/sVS22ntAHAX8Z), belonging to Eevee and Archetype, and later Razzishi.

Werewolf Den (of Hearty Grog) (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/DRq3QJEtHm6AN), belonging to mcmcsalot and Jorbles, later Morgrim/Jorgrim.

Neighborhood Tavern (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/V5594WLa25Zsk), run by mcmcsalot and Jorbles/Morgrim/Jorgrim, later opened to Robz.

Morgrim's Cottage (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YBdD2Z66fA76)
ashersky's Cottage (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/faskkMdPGPqAP)
Galzria's Cottage (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/6PEh4XM9L9k4s)
Dick Cheney's Cottage (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Aza8u9CCrkhDe) (Dsell, actually)

Graveyard/Speccy (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/B2NWDTHxuAvqZ)
Graveyard Nouveau (http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/n92m7rj8D48) to omit Jorgrim from discussion.




I think that's all the QTs.  For people who don't want to sift through mod notes, I am now going to write a recap of what the heck happened...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: yuma on May 06, 2013, 07:47:05 pm
I think that's all the QTs.  For people who don't want to sift through mod notes, I am now going to write a recap of what the heck happened...

Don't forget my very important role!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 07:53:48 pm
Nice job Addis!!!! Very well played!
CT all the way!!!
Whew, thanks!
I didn't realize there was a way for us to win till the end there since I misread something.
I know.  I wanted so badly to prompt you!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 07:55:38 pm
I really can't believe we won after Raz spilled the beans and almost got us eliminated!
Very nice comeback I'd say!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists W
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 07:59:19 pm
Woah, hold up. you're trying to tell me that I lost... because the bastard mod took a bastard role and changed it in the middle of the game to make it even more bastard... (reffering to the CT kill that ehalc decided to make work during the DAY). If it only worked at night we would have won.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 08:11:59 pm
Best qt post ever galz:

Kill SpiritBears
Jail SpiritBears
Roleblock SpiritBears
Track SpiritBears
Watch SpiritBears
Convert SpiritBears
Bus Robz888 & SpiritBears
SK Cop SpiritBears
Vampire Cop SpiritBears
Mummy Cop SpiritBears
Mafia Cop SpiritBears
Werewolf Cop SpiritBears
Cop SpiritBears
Cheese Cop SpiritBears
Zombie Cop SpiritBears
Use Godfather
Use Commute
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:24:46 pm
Let me preface this by saying that my goal as bastard mod was to keep as many factions in contention as possible by manipulating events and even adjusting powers.  Yeah.  Bastard!

Some of my original plans got thrown for a loop when Razzishi exposed a bunch of secrets and then everyone inexplicably full claimed HONESTLY.  Seriously, I don't think anyone really lied on day 3.  But anyway...

At game start, there were 3 townies who were styled as "Monster Hunters".  They were masons, had a group-directed night kill, and they each had a power (Watcher, Tracker, Voyeur).  And as people kind of realized, they were scum in all but name.  Note that Robz was also secretly a Werewolf Miller -- that is, he was town-aligned but he would appear as a Werewolf to investigations and on flip.  Robz was informed but forbidden from speaking about it.  Note that this was actually a GOOD power for them -- it actually meant that Robz was basically a Godfather.

There was also a group of Conspiracy Theorists.  Their main power was numbers and full day/night chat.  In the original plan they were supposed to have one extra player.  Since we weren't filling up, I just gave them a 1-shot revive instead.  They also had some powers that would manifest as the faction grew smaller.  An important note is that they would flip as whatever I wanted them to flip.  Razzishi exposed this, but it was forgotten.  There were no Zombies or Vampires in the game at all.

Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle.  If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).

Everyone else was a Werewolf.  There were quite a few packets of werewolves that could talk to each other.  There were two pairs of lovers.  One had the bulletproof/unlynchable combination (plus neighborizing, which could have put them in touch with another werewolf) while the other was "polyamorous", recruiting a third and giving the group a sort of "extra life".

Day 1 saw Morgrim lynched.  I flipped him as a Jester because it was April Fools day.  I would let him use his power after death though -- he could hammer to steal somebody's power.  Thus I hid his true flip after revealing the initial deception.

As a bonus, pretty much everyone got some flavour about the drunken coroner.  This was all meaningless flavour though.

For the record, the MHs used their investigative powers every night but only saw something interesting on the first night, when Robz saw Arche target Razzishi (with a Recruit, though they did not learn THAT).

Night 1, the MHs tried to shoot Morgrim, who was already dead.  No CT had died or was going to die on d1/n1, so I killed off Axxle2.  Dsell investigated Robz and found that he was a Werewolf (due to Robz being a miller).  Eevee/Arche recruited Razzishi, which sparked some thoughts from me.  My thoughts on that are in post #19 of the Mod Notes QT.  In short, I figured Razzishi would play both sides.  That would have been the best way to win, IMO... but Razz ended up turning against the CTs entirely!  It was unexpected, but it made d3 really exciting.  But we are getting ahead of ourselves.

Oh, also, the recruitment flavour written for Arche and Razz is some of the creepiest stuff I have ever written.

Day 2 resulted in Jorbles getting lynched, with Morgrim successfully swooping in for the hammer.  Morgrim thus took Jorbles' role of being an unlynchable lover with mcmcs.  But since Jorbs was unlynchable, he survived.  Thematically, this left Morgrim as an unrequited lover.  mcmcs' death would kill Morgrim, but Morgrim's death would not kill Jorbs (at this point).

Night 2 saw Jorbles victimized by the MHs.  This left a void in mcmcs' life, allowing Morgrim to fill it.  Thus Morgrim and mcmcs became full-fledged lovers, as if Morg had replaced Jorbles.

Also, mcmc neighborized Robz.  Other actions (investigations, doctoring, etc.) did not really matter.  Uh, I guess it semi-matters that Dsell copped spiritbears and got a "town result", as that result could have been anything.

Oh, and I set jotheonah to die for the CTs, but he was doctored by Galz.

Day 3 was kind of crazy with Razzishi revealing a lot, and then everyone came out and claimed with surprising honesty.  I thought the MHs were screwed at this point -- why in the world would the werewolves NOT realize that MONSTER HUNTERS were a threat to them?  But somehow the CTs were the ones that got heat.  jotheonah was lynched.

At this point, the Werewolves looked lke they should be in control and the CTs were in huge trouble.  As per my batard mod goal, I buffed the CTs a bit.  I gave them a fresh QT without the traitorous Razzishi and buffed them slightly by allowing them to use some of their powers during the DAY, once they had those powers.

I also decided to allow the MHs and the CTs to win together, if it came to that.  In the end it turned out that they did not so much need the help against the werewolves, but it didn't come into play anyway.  I hinted at this joined wincon by noting that the MHs would "leave town" once the monsters were eliminated, which did not conflict with the CT wincon that only they remain.

In the end, since none of the MHs survived, they did not win.

Night 3 features a mod mistake, but oh well.  Masons killed Eevee and I chose Razz as the nightly CT kill, which also killed off Archetype because both his lovers had died.  This was the mistake -- jotheonah had died during the day, so I was not supposed to kill a CT that night.  My bad.  I'd had enough of the relative lack of deaths so far and wanted to see some carnage.  Hmm, looking back, this was perhaps overly harsh on the werewolves.  I am a bastard.  :P  But hey... I let them recruit Razz in the first place, so I guess that balances out?

Day 4 had an interesting gambit from ashersky which I think was a mistake.  It would have been better to force the MHs to waste a NK on him, rather than handing them a free death by lynch.  But in the end, ash was lynched and he vengekilled Robz.

Night 4 was when the MHs finally killed Galz.  spiritbears died to Dsell's shotgun (and I was surprised that he went for sb instead of an MH).  The CTs also revived Robz.

Day 5 was a quick day where mcmc was lynched, which also killed off Jorgrim.

Night 5 was fun in that the MHs did not trust Robz and shot him... exactly as I intended.

Day 6 was fun in that Axxle used his newly available kill to shoot liopoil and insta-hammer mail-mi (even though killing Dsell would have given them a joint win, he certainly didn't know that).

And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.

OR WAIT!

As Axxle pointed out (and which I had forgotten), this would not have happened.  Axxle would have had to die as per CT rules, and Dsell would have been last one standing.  Thus Werewolves would have won... unless Axxle used his remaining reincarnation power, which he professes he would not have done.  But who knows?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:30:40 pm
All the theme songs were chosen just for fun.

"You Give Love a Bad Name" was a thematic fit with the single Lover death.
The a capella medley was chosen because it matched the makeup of the town, not to mention it included "Werewolves of London", which was the sole reason I named the town London anyway.
Alison Brie's freestyle rap talks about dying by Werewolf.
That last song is about how many ways there are to die, which got in just in time before a daykill.

Everything involving yuma was meaningless.  ;)




And yeah, in the end it was more bastardly than I'd intended.  But I hope you guys enjoyed it.




What are your thoughts on the most basic idea of the game, which was to have a town of unknown werewolves vs. a small group of townies with a NK?  I added the CTs in to try to hide the setup.  If there was only one NK each night and it was just theirs, the townies would figure it all out soon enough.  If everyone flipped werewolf, the werewolves would realize something was up.

In the end, Razzishi made it moot. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: Eevee on May 06, 2013, 08:43:26 pm

Night 3 features a mod mistake, but oh well.  Masons killed Eevee and I chose Razz as the nightly CT kill, which also killed off Archetype because both his lovers had died.  This was the mistake -- jotheonah had died during the day, so I was not supposed to kill a CT that night.  My bad.  I'd had enough of the relative lack of deaths so far and wanted to see some carnage.  Hmm, looking back, this was perhaps overly harsh on the werewolves.  I am a bastard.  :P  But hey... I let them recruit Razz in the first place, so I guess that balances out?

Not very fun for our QT, that!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 08:47:15 pm
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle.  If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).

And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: yuma on May 06, 2013, 08:47:35 pm
Everything involving yuma was meaningless.  ;)

Lies!!! I was the crux of the game! I was! Everything revolved around me! I was playing you all like little puppets! Puppets! I am the puppet master! And all of you obeyed my every command!!!

I demand to be acknowledged for my crushing victory and be named MVP!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:47:40 pm

Night 3 features a mod mistake, but oh well.  Masons killed Eevee and I chose Razz as the nightly CT kill, which also killed off Archetype because both his lovers had died.  This was the mistake -- jotheonah had died during the day, so I was not supposed to kill a CT that night.  My bad.  I'd had enough of the relative lack of deaths so far and wanted to see some carnage.  Hmm, looking back, this was perhaps overly harsh on the werewolves.  I am a bastard.  :P  But hey... I let them recruit Razz in the first place, so I guess that balances out?

Not very fun for our QT, that!

Forgive me!  It was for the sake of drama, in the end. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 08:47:49 pm
What a great game! Wow. With the mod killing one of each day it's amazing we survived at all!
That also explains your response to me in the qt that we didn't have to kill all to win, confirming we could be town
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:48:21 pm
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle.  If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).

And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?

Oh dang, you are correct.  I think I had thought of this before, but then I forgot today.  Honourable note, my friend.  I must amend...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 08:50:10 pm
why do the MH need to survive to win? our wincon, copy and pasted: You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 08:50:42 pm
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle.  If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).

And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
Wait!!!!!
Don't take it away from us.  We could still have used our self-kill resurrection!
Oh dang, you are correct.  I think I had thought of this before, but then I forgot today.  Honourable note, my friend.  I must amend...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 08:51:25 pm
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle.  If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).

And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
Wait!!!!!

Oh dang, you are correct.  I think I had thought of this before, but then I forgot today.  Honourable note, my friend.  I must amend...
Don't take it away from us.  We could still have used our self-kill resurrection!

We could, but I wouldn't have used it.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win!)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:51:32 pm
why do the MH need to survive to win? our wincon, copy and pasted: You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

Implied that at least one of you need to stay alive.

Also, I made a mistake in the end... Dsell survives, and as a werewolf he is a "threat" by MH definitions. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Werewolves Win!)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 08:52:01 pm
....the title changed. Now the WW won. the bastardness continues....
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Werewolves Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 08:56:02 pm
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending.  If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night.  Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win.  He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows?  He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do.  So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.

Just one more way that this was a bastard game!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Werewolves Win?)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 09:01:19 pm
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending.  If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night.  Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win.  He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows?  He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do.  So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.

Just one more way that this was a bastard game!

Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 09:05:46 pm
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending.  If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night.  Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win.  He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows?  He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do.  So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.

Just one more way that this was a bastard game!

Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.

Fine, title changed to reflect that... :P

Also, MHs sort-of kind-of win, in that Werewolves could have been eliminated, even though all the MHs died by the end. ;)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 09:12:13 pm
how about everyone wins except yuma, who gets the cone of shame for never posting and ninja-voting?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: ashersky on May 06, 2013, 09:13:06 pm
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending.  If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night.  Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win.  He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows?  He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do.  So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.

Just one more way that this was a bastard game!

Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.

Fine, title changed to reflect that... :P

Also, MHs sort-of kind-of win, in that Werewolves could have been eliminated, even though all the MHs died by the end. ;)


What is this, 3rd grade, where everyone gets a winner's medal?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 09:13:24 pm
how about everyone wins except yuma, who gets the cone of shame for never posting and ninja-voting?

yuma was never actually in the game.  I was just messing with you guys. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 09:15:02 pm
What is this, 3rd grade, where everyone gets a winner's medal?

No, it's more like adulthood where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all.  :-\
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 09:17:22 pm
where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all.
You should make that the name of the game. like "BMIX: where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all."
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 09:17:42 pm
What is this, 3rd grade, where everyone gets a winner's medal?

No, it's more like adulthood where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all.  :-\
+1
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 09:21:50 pm
(http://t.qkme.me/3u9zxc.jpg)
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: yuma on May 06, 2013, 09:36:25 pm
how about everyone wins except yuma, who gets the cone of shame for never posting and ninja-voting?

yuma was never actually in the game.  I was just messing with you guys. :P

LIES AGAIN! Don't listen to him. I was in the game! I won the game! I am the MVP!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Robz888 on May 06, 2013, 09:38:11 pm
Wait who won? Did I win?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 09:41:03 pm
Wait who won? Did I win?
You ended as a conspiracy theorist so... maybe?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 09:43:46 pm
I kinda think this is a fitting ending. ehalc was making sure all factions had an equal shot throughout the game, so it makes sense that we all win.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: ashersky on May 06, 2013, 09:45:51 pm
I kinda think this is a fitting ending. ehalc was making sure all factions had an equal shot throughout the game, so it makes sense that we all win.

Or all lost.  That makes more sense.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 09:46:48 pm
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous.  I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Axxle on May 06, 2013, 09:47:25 pm
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous.  I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.
(even in bastard)

Also: I guess Razz was still CT at the end there?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 09:52:54 pm
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous.  I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.

True.  But really, I expected him to play both sides and not just out everything.  He thought that the CTs were the scum of the game (not quite true), but he still shared their wincon.  The safe bet would be to just let things play out... even if the whole game was Werewolves vs. CTs, that would mean that he would be guaranteed a win, sharing both wincons.  The doors he blew open were dangerous, if there were any other factions about.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: ashersky on May 06, 2013, 09:53:32 pm
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous.  I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.

True.  But really, I expected him to play both sides and not just out everything.  He thought that the CTs were the scum of the game (not quite true), but he still shared their wincon.  The safe bet would be to just let things play out... even if the whole game was Werewolves vs. CTs, that would mean that he would be guaranteed a win, sharing both wincons.  The doors he blew open were dangerous, if there were any other factions about.

That was the favorite part of this game, though.  I love mass claiming.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 06, 2013, 09:54:18 pm
wait, we really were scum weren't we, because we weren't on a team with the CT? and we were the only three town...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 09:56:19 pm
wait, we really were scum weren't we, because we weren't on a team with the CT? and we were the only three town...

By the initial setup -- yeah, you were technically scum. :P

I posit that the name you get really matters to player psychology in the game, no matter your actual role.  You guys thought you were town, you played more townish.  The werewolves thought they were scum, they were a bit more scummy.

Unfortunately, this never really got to play out fully.

Even so, day 3 really was one of the most interesting days I've seen in any game.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Archetype on May 06, 2013, 10:03:07 pm
Yeah…um. I liked the game, and the idea was one I talked to mail-mi about before creating SOC, and then didn't want to do it because I thought that that was happening here.

But what I didn't like was the rules changing as the game went on, but I guess it's your game and I signed up for it, and you did put a lot of work into it, so I don't care that much. Plus it was pretty fun watching the game and that's really all that matters.

I'm sad to find out that my death was by mod error. :P

So thanks for the game eHalcyon, I always enjoy your designs. Good job Axxle and CTs!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 06, 2013, 10:08:22 pm
Yeah…um. I liked the game, and the idea was one I talked to mail-mi about before creating SOC, and then didn't want to do it because I thought that that was happening here.

But what I didn't like was the rules changing as the game went on, but I guess it's your game and I signed up for it, and you did put a lot of work into it, so I don't care that much. Plus it was pretty fun watching the game and that's really all that matters.

I'm sad to find out that my death was by mod error. :P

So thanks for the game eHalcyon, I always enjoy your designs. Good job Axxle and CTs!

I called it bastard for a reason. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Archetype on May 06, 2013, 10:13:00 pm
Yeah…um. I liked the game, and the idea was one I talked to mail-mi about before creating SOC, and then didn't want to do it because I thought that that was happening here.

But what I didn't like was the rules changing as the game went on, but I guess it's your game and I signed up for it, and you did put a lot of work into it, so I don't care that much. Plus it was pretty fun watching the game and that's really all that matters.

I'm sad to find out that my death was by mod error. :P

So thanks for the game eHalcyon, I always enjoy your designs. Good job Axxle and CTs!

I called it bastard for a reason. :P
Haha yes this was very bastard.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: spiritbears on May 06, 2013, 10:13:45 pm
Those MH sure talk a lot!  Most active qt by far. We were really hoping to get some good info from robzz, but all he said was "I told the truth day 3"
In hindsight it looks like most people did!
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 06, 2013, 10:16:43 pm
It's almost like someone said at some point (over and over ad naseum) D3 that the truth behind the setup is that town is scum and scum is town...
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Eevee on May 06, 2013, 10:17:37 pm
It's almost like someone said at some point (over and over ad naseum) D3 that the truth behind the setup is that town is scum and scum is town...
Wait, I thought this was common knowledge after the claims?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 06, 2013, 10:43:41 pm
It's almost like someone said at some point (over and over ad naseum) D3 that the truth behind the setup is that town is scum and scum is town...
Wait, I thought this was common knowledge after the claims?

wait, we really were scum weren't we, because we weren't on a team with the CT? and we were the only three town...

Apparently not for the MH.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: mail-mi on May 06, 2013, 11:01:29 pm
Y'all should sign up for Shadows over Camelot mafia (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=8068.0), and I so thought us MH had this in the bag! Well, goes to show you that this is definitely BM.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 07, 2013, 06:48:10 pm
morgrim's cottage is hilarious :P.

robz got to be all of the alignments! does he win?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 07, 2013, 06:53:17 pm
morgrim's cottage is hilarious :P.

robz got to be all of the alignments! does he win?

He never soiled the name of Werewolf
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 07, 2013, 06:57:32 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 07, 2013, 08:23:30 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.

Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: ashersky on May 07, 2013, 08:59:09 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.

Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.

Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 07, 2013, 09:09:39 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.

Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.

Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?

Did I? I think so, yes. I would need to reread, but I'm pretty sure this is the game I spent trying to convince you and mcmc that you were teammates. Yeah, I think I pretty much believed all of the WW role claims for exactly what they were. I knew with 100% certainty after the lovers claim with Robz. But we still had the numbers at that point, and I was sure MH & CT were different. So I was willing to sacrifice 1:1 with MH to prove to CT that they were being deceived. Especially because I knew MH could whittle us out, especially if CT trusted them and followed their lead.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on May 07, 2013, 09:10:58 pm
oh hey, we were the only ones with a full NK too...

I felt really lame when I realized that we were scum and that I had just claimed scum.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 07, 2013, 09:51:10 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.

Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.

Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?

Did I? I think so, yes. I would need to reread, but I'm pretty sure this is the game I spent trying to convince you and mcmc that you were teammates. Yeah, I think I pretty much believed all of the WW role claims for exactly what they were. I knew with 100% certainty after the lovers claim with Robz. But we still had the numbers at that point, and I was sure MH & CT were different. So I was willing to sacrifice 1:1 with MH to prove to CT that they were being deceived. Especially because I knew MH could whittle us out, especially if CT trusted them and followed their lead.

Were you advocating a MH lynch on d3?  I don't remember it exactly, but the end result was that joth got lynched.  I thought that was strange, since MHs were obviously much more threatening.  I seriously thought they were screwed after their honest claims.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Galzria on May 07, 2013, 10:08:18 pm
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.

Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.

Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?

Did I? I think so, yes. I would need to reread, but I'm pretty sure this is the game I spent trying to convince you and mcmc that you were teammates. Yeah, I think I pretty much believed all of the WW role claims for exactly what they were. I knew with 100% certainty after the lovers claim with Robz. But we still had the numbers at that point, and I was sure MH & CT were different. So I was willing to sacrifice 1:1 with MH to prove to CT that they were being deceived. Especially because I knew MH could whittle us out, especially if CT trusted them and followed their lead.

Were you advocating a MH lynch on d3?  I don't remember it exactly, but the end result was that joth got lynched.  I thought that was strange, since MHs were obviously much more threatening.  I seriously thought they were screwed after their honest claims.

Yes, strongly.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Day 3)
Post by: Galzria on May 07, 2013, 10:09:51 pm
This was my caving post really, about 15 before the end of the day:

Vote: Joth
Since when were you in MC's supposed "gang"?  Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this.  You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.

I've been one of MC's strongest supporters since quite early on actually. Look at his interactions with Ashersky and my responses to both.

I would rather lynch a MH, but I'm good lynching a CT. Neither are WW, and that's good enough for me.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Dsell on May 07, 2013, 10:59:40 pm
I am maybe the last person standing?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: eHalcyon on May 07, 2013, 11:30:22 pm
I am maybe the last person standing?

In all likelihood, the CTs win (including Razzishi and Robz888).  But because I screwed up a bit, it is questionable. :P
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: ashersky on May 07, 2013, 11:33:31 pm
I am maybe the last person standing?

In all likelihood, the CTs win (including Razzishi and Robz888).  But because I screwed up a bit, it is questionable. :P

What about my passive self-resurrection power that kicked in when only one person was left alive and came with a dayvig?  I think WWs win, then.
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Robz888 on May 09, 2013, 06:39:53 pm
Ending of this game reminded me of the end of "Burn After Reading."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlA9hmrC8DU
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Voltgloss on August 01, 2013, 06:57:39 pm
Ending of this game reminded me of the end of "Burn After Reading."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlA9hmrC8DU

Almost one year and yuma-knows how many Mafia games since this...

I think my feelings are best summed up thusly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec)

I guess we learned not to do it again!

:D
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Morgrim7 on November 17, 2013, 10:29:04 pm
Oh yeah I was in this one wasn't I  :-[
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: liopoil on November 17, 2013, 10:30:31 pm
weren't you lynched D1 though?
Title: Re: BMIX: Conspiracy Theories, London Edition (Game Over, Conspiracy Theorists Win?)
Post by: Morgrim7 on November 17, 2013, 10:31:11 pm
Not sure...