Hi.obvscum Vote: Robz
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)What exactly is a "tabletop day"? (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)What exactly is a "tabletop day"? (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).
This is rvs, so Vote: Morgrim7. Lets get a wagon going!I smell a conspiracy!
Besides…
…whats one VT, more or less?
hello!! hmmm... Vote: eHalcyon. this game is a conspiracy.You can't kill the mod! vote liopoil cuz he can't follow rules!
Good. Unvote, but only my second vote. I'm keeping an eye on you, liopoil.sounds a bit faked...
Hey, no votes on me?I don't count?
No, thats only two. Seriously, wtf.I admit....it's not much of a wagon. How about I offer up some $$ to jump on this train.....
1 FG for each M7 voteMake that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
You matching or volunteering to spend my FGs?!1 FG for each M7 voteMake that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
Matching. But eh, nvm. They can vote for Morgrim on their own.You matching or volunteering to spend my FGs?!1 FG for each M7 voteMake that two FG for every vote on Morgrim.
what's a FG? fool's gold?Yes. I thought it appropriate!
uh-oh, mafia! lets worry about those first, then maybe take care of the pesky vampires, werewolves, and zombies.
Note: the rumours are not clear if these "monsters" are just monstrous human criminals, or creatures of fang or claw or shuffling or ray gun or really, really foul-smelling cheese. There is some debate.
It's tabletop day, who do you think is gonna be on the forum today??? (Me)What exactly is a "tabletop day"? (Ignoring for now all the hypersensitive votes).
Vote: razzishi for making his first game a bastard game.
Cheese = joke, I thinkIt is BM, you never know if anything is a joke or not.
In the sleepy little town of London (which is not in England nor in Ontario, it just happens to have the same name as those more famous cities, get over it), whispers are being whispered.
well, I claim cheese! (because the others are bad guys!)
Cheese = joke, I thinkIt is BM, you never know if anything is a joke or not.
I am not claiming cheese.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS46W8Wix-Bd0EltTCzW-xneno0IEvtLu-XYPSzhi7gUAIYlazEig)
This is extremely scummy too.
So, for those who don't know, eHal is the king of flavor. It is super important.He said so himself that it wasn't important! And eHalc would never mislead us
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000
Why? My role should be obvious...
A game where we had input into what role we would receive.........
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ
VOTE: ROBZ x 100000000000000000000
Why? My role should be obvious...
Should we try to figure out what people would ask for? It's the ultimate meta argument. I think Robz goes for JK, personally.
...I actually think morgrim is scum... because he's trying to get people to vote for him, which makes it kinda hard to seriously lynch him.Yes. See? I have supporters for a Morgrim lynch.
YES! Morgrim probably asked for scum! He aways loved being scum, remmber?This is probably true. m7 asks for scum....but does he get it? Lets say yes, what would he do to throw us off his trail? Claim scum vociferously of course! Hmmm might just be into something here! (And I'll keep those fools holds thank you very much....but I'll take that GM Morgrim7!)
I doubt it, because this is an odd way to go about it... If morgrim was a jester a better way to go about it would be to "scumslip" and claim VT...
So, for those who don't know, eHal is the king of flavor. It is super important.He said so himself that it wasn't important! And eHalc would never mislead us
...right?
that could be a bad idea for people who asked for town PRs... and got it.Yeah, I guess you're right. And scum could lie anyway.
I think people should claim what they asked for. I'll start:
I've never been a SK, so I asked to be one. Didn't get it though.
that could be a bad idea for people who asked for town PRs... and got it.Yay a fellow anti-massclaimer!
There could totally be VTs in this game, (I might be one).I don't like this post, it's very wishywashy after the attacks on Morgrim earlier.
Town lies are usually a bad idea, yes, and in this case I don't see a reason for town to lie about that. So if we assume that he's either scum, or asked for SK (maybe even both), then that does look bad. this is the first thing that has any substance to it... so Vote: ArchetypeWell I'm not lying. I honestly asked for a SK role really hoping I'd get it. Turns out that there isn't any SKs in the game so I got stuck with a lame Town role.
the thing is, that is totally the sort of role Morgrim would ask for... but not the sort of role generally included in games right, even bastard ones?It's a bastard game, why not? The game can go on after Morg wins/loses his own mini game?
how do you know there isn't a SK?
the thing is, that is totally the sort of role Morgrim would ask for... but not the sort of role generally included in games right, even bastard ones?I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?
how do you know there isn't a SK?
I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?Not neccessarily:
Hey guys, please note that order of sign up played no part in how roles were assigned. I waited for everyone to sign up and then I tried to satisfy as many as possible. If you gave second or third choices, or became more likely for you to get those of someone else requested only your first choice, regardless of sign up order. So don't try to guess role assignments based on sign up order or anything. It won't work.
Oh, didn't see that.I was one of the first people to sign up and asked for it. Shouldn't I get it if I was one of the first to ask?Not neccessarily:Hey guys, please note that order of sign up played no part in how roles were assigned. I waited for everyone to sign up and then I tried to satisfy as many as possible. If you gave second or third choices, or became more likely for you to get those of someone else requested only your first choice, regardless of sign up order. So don't try to guess role assignments based on sign up order or anything. It won't work.
But what if Im actually scum, but am doing this so that you think I am Jester and wont lynch me? No. Vote! Vote! Vote!
Vote: RobzI'm confused. Which post of Robz' was scumish? The reply to the mass claim request? Or all of them?
Lol SK hunting.
Also SK hunting without a night to verify two killing factions.
Now I think Arch is separately scummy for backing down on the massclaim so easily, but not as much as Robz with that post.
Double aargh, missed at least one vote. Speak up if I missed more.I see I must have double counted Mail-mi or Dsell or both. Apologies. With Morg's promise if a self hammer, we really are getting near a train, caravan or something like that. I think I can see Morgrim7 smiling mischievously.....
Archetype (2) - Robz, liopoli
Morgrim7 (4) - Dsell, mail-mi, Razzishi, spiritbears
Razzishi (1) - Galzria
Robz (3) - Archetype, Axxle, Jorbles
At least one person has said that they didn't get the role they requested, and as for me, I didn't request any particular role. It would be interesting to hear just how many people did get the role that they asked for. Unless you've made it known what you asked for somewhere else, this should be a complete null-tell as to alignment. We were told we'd all get power roles, so there's no bias there in coming out in saying you got a power role.I told eHal I'd be happy with whatever he gave me and I am.
At least one person has said that they didn't get the role they requested, and as for me, I didn't request any particular role. It would be interesting to hear just how many people did get the role that they asked for. Unless you've made it known what you asked for somewhere else, this should be a complete null-tell as to alignment. We were told we'd all get power roles, so there's no bias there in coming out in saying you got a power role.Nah, I think people tend to ask for stronger roles on average. I dont think this is a good idea.
I mean, some people haven't even posted yet...This.
I wonder how Morg feels about all this...do you crave the blade and want it quickly? Or are you ready to call off the hounds?I mean, some people haven't even posted yet...This.
We should give people until at least Monday to get some posts in.
I don't really think there's any way lynching Morgrim could be a good thing for us.
Day 1 Start
Vote Count 1.2
Robz (3): Archetype, Jorbles, Axxle
Archetype (1):, Robz888
Morgrim7 (6): spiritbears, Dsell, razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky
razzishi (1): Galzria
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT
Thread unlocked!
Day 1 Start
Vote Count 1.2
Robz (3): Archetype, Jorbles, Axxle
Archetype (1):, Robz888
Morgrim7 (6): spiritbears, Dsell, razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky
razzishi (1): Galzria
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT
Thread unlocked!
This is correct. I just did it.
I don't really think there's any way lynching Morgrim could be a good thing for us.
Important Update!Please NOOOO
I have decided that it is not fair to have players do vote counts just because my bastardry wants to take the form of laziness. But I still want to be lazy... and as we all know, this is the wellspring of innovation!
So behold, the VOTES QT
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/FEPDib3qe6VX
I'm not sure this will actually work, but it's an experiment. The idea is this: whenever you vote in the thread, you should also vote in the Votes QT. The Votes QT is only for votes.
I think this should make it easier to compile vote counts, because you only have to look for the most recent votes of any player.
But if you guys hate this, we can go back to the traditional format. Feel free to voice your opinion on this method (but I hope it doesn't overrun the regular game discussion).
But for now, ALL VOTES ARE CLEARED.
Please NOOOO
Please NOOOO
:(
If there is one more voice of dissent, I won't do it. You bastards.
I thought I was brilliant too.
Vote: Morgrim7Yes!!! (Qt thing)
I'm anti voting QT too, mostly because bolding there is so annoying, especially on mobile.
Vote: Morgrim7We wouldn't have to bold there, bolding is just to catch the mod's eye and since every post there is a vote it doesn't matter.
I'm anti voting QT too, mostly because bolding there is so annoying, especially on mobile.
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?
Sometimes people leave out the colon.Threaten modkills... or just say that votes without the colon are not counted.
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?I think Axxle2 is VLA...
All right, fine.I don't think I believe a single word of this.....ok maybe I believe the semi-word "meh". It's all just too self-serving. But I don't believe Morg will actually self-hammer, and just wants the Train off him. I think he could be scum... But I'm not so convinced that I want him hammered this early. (As interesting as it might turn out to be) unvote
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh.
All right, fine.Guys, it's obviously an april fools joke.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh.
Wait, seriously? I ignore this game for two days and I have no votes on me? That's BS.
Anyway, who wants to give me a quick summary of the last 6 pages?
morgrim asks to be lynched. He gets a bunch of votes. He claims. We aren't going to lynch morgrim.
oh, and arch claimed that he asked to be SK, and there was some stuff about that too.
...you didn't miss much.
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?I think Axxle2 is VLA...
Is Axxle2 just Axxle?I think Axxle2 is VLA...
Im not jester.Now that were all fine with letting jester win your not....
As to Morgrim if he is the Jester I don't mind if he wins, if he's scum gambitting I don't mind if he loses. Vote: Morgrim7Yeah, except he's town... He just claimed not jester. If he's jester he wouldn't claim not-jester because he can just let himself get lynched. So he isn't a jester. His play matches perfectly with his role. I see no reason to lynch him more than any other player.
I say we lynch Morgrim anyway, and just coordinate 2 votes so he can't hammer himself. Problem solved.
All right, fine.So he gets the powers of the first person he hammers and changes alignment if he selfhammers. Knowing this he wants to self hammer and become scum. Upon re-reading, he has decided he doesn't want to self hammer because he would lose all his powers and be vanilla scum. I highly doubt he gains power of the first person he hammers and has his own powers that he loses if he selfhammers, so this is quite inconsistent. Upon rereading he finds out he loses all his powers if he ends up self hammering. This suggests again multiple powers, I really only think he could get multiple powers by hammering multiple people, but even so he says that he wouldn't want to self hammer and become a vanilla scum. If this is true why did he want to self hammer day 1 anyway, all that serves is to change his alignment which he wanted before and for some reason doesn't want now. This just doesn't add up and I think is just lying scum. I feel like no matter what morgrim does not have town's best interests at heart.
I am the town hammer dude alignment switching thingy whatever. I get the powers of the first person I hammer. If I self hammer, I immediately wake up aligned with the scum. I wanted to self hammer so I could be scum (because i looooove being scum). The thing is, after re-reading my role PM, I found out that I would lose all my powers and just be vanilla scum if I did end up self hammering. Meh.
I still think there's a 100% chance Robz asked to be scum though.
I think it more likely we are looking for generic monsters.
oh. So maybe each scum is a different type of monster, and all together they are just called monsters?
Pretty sure Morgrim is a Vampire (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vampire)
Morg sounds like a vampire, flavor wise? Gains powers from those he kills sort of stuff...can draw an analogy to sucking blood.
My vote stays. Just quickhammer to be safe.
Well I thought you meant like the flavor Vampire, not the actual role Vampire.Pretty sure Morgrim is a Vampire (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vampire)Morg sounds like a vampire, flavor wise? Gains powers from those he kills sort of stuff...can draw an analogy to sucking blood.
My vote stays. Just quickhammer to be safe.
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.
I disagree. And I'm ready to vote Morgrim. What's his count at?
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?
Sometimes people leave out the colon. Mehhhhh. Anyway, I'll be a non-lazy mod for you guys. The vote clear is uncleared, since my brilliant idea was not so popular.
Vote Count 1.2
Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (7): Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky, Jorbles, mcmcsalot
Razzishi (1): Galzria
Robz888 (2): Archetype, Axxle
Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, Morgrim7, spiritbears
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT
Look, Morgrim clearly wants to be killed. Is it a good thing to kill him, then? I say probably not.
I disagree. And I'm ready to vote Morgrim. What's his count at?
L-1. I propose you hammer him, so he can't hammer himself.
I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
I mean do votes still count after the vote-qt thing? I seem to recall votes getting reset.
I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
What is the vote exactly, because I unvoted. But am willing to consider revoting him...
@Mod: Can you not do a Ctrl-F for "Vote: " and "Unvote"?
Sometimes people leave out the colon. Mehhhhh. Anyway, I'll be a non-lazy mod for you guys. The vote clear is uncleared, since my brilliant idea was not so popular.
Vote Count 1.2
Archetype (1): Robz888
mail-mi (1): liopoil
Morgrim7 (7): Dsell, Razzishi, mail-mi, Eevee, ashersky, Jorbles, mcmcsalot
Razzishi (1): Galzria
Robz888 (2): Archetype, Axxle
Not voting (4): Axxle2, jotheonah, Morgrim7, spiritbears
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
1 week from day start is: April 6, 12:00pm MDT
hard deadline (when bankable time is all gone) is: April 20, 12:00pm MDT
Updated
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
Ready to vote
vote:morgrim7
Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?
To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway? If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?
To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway? If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Vote: Morgrim7
Will do.Fine, whatever. I just don't feel that comfortable wasting two of our lynches on someone, but I'll still vote.Yeah, I guess. But I'd rather we'd just leave him, you know? He's not scum yet.I'm ready to vote for him.
But what if he's the exact Vampire and he'll come back regardless as scum?
Well...then we'll know he's scum, right?
At least it wouldn't be a mislynch, right?
To win, do you think we need to rid the town of him anyway? If so ,we'll need to lynch him twice regardless.
Vote: Morgrim7
You are welcome to use your NK on him, if you are scum. But do let us know, so we can lynch you.
Oh, heads up - There may be a Cult.
If only we could do this inbankersRMM!!
Well crap. I still think he's town... and that this day was too short.Well I think he was lying about the vampire thing. But not sure that makes him town. I say he was a good a choice as any at this point, although it was pretty quick!
Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
It says he was dead before the body disappeared. You know what else is dead besides corpses? Vampires.Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says. It says that Morgrim is definitely dead! ::)
Seems like ashersky is spreading fear of vampires everywhere. Are YOU a Conspiracy Theorist?
It says he was dead before the body disappeared. You know what else is dead besides corpses? Vampires.Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says. It says that Morgrim is definitely dead! ::)
Or Zombies.It says he was dead before the body disappeared. You know what else is dead besides corpses? Vampires.Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says. It says that Morgrim is definitely dead! ::)
aaah ninja'd!
Also samurais!aaah ninja'd!
Wait, there are ninjas too? I didn't see that in the flavor.
I said "besides corpses" ;)It says he was dead before the body disappeared. You know what else is dead besides corpses? Vampires.Why?
Seems a vampire killed Axxle2 and Morg is not dead, if flavor is indicative.
This is exactly the opposite of what the flavour says. It says that Morgrim is definitely dead! ::)
Also zombies.
Vote: mcmcsalot
Clearly voiced his displeasure at Axxle2's being in the game several times.
Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
He does have more posts than you do at least.Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
Okay I reread them, there is one good post and the rest is posting pictures of rocks, doing votecounts and fixing errors in vote counts. Seems about on par with the general activity of this town day 1.He does have more posts than you do at least.Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
That rock is still very suspicious...Okay I reread them, there is one good post and the rest is posting pictures of rocks, doing votecounts and fixing errors in vote counts. Seems about on par with the general activity of this town day 1.He does have more posts than you do at least.Has Razzishi made any contributions to this game? I don't remember this person saying anything, but maybe I'm not paying enough attention.I recall being mildly impressed at his play as a new guy, but dunno.
Yeahhhh I don't think scum would say they dislike someone a bunch and then kill them, wouldn't that just draw attention?
Okay, just looked. He never posted, so now we've gotten almost no info out of D1. Or at least no info that's public anyways. I guess we're a bit past RVS, but I don't see us building much in the way of great cases today.People did end the day ridiculously early yesterday. Maybe to prevent info?
It's hardly a secret that mcmc hates Axxle2, and who can blame him?Yeahhhh I don't think scum would say they dislike someone a bunch and then kill them, wouldn't that just draw attention?
Classic WIFOM. Wouldn't put it past him at all. I think Occam's Razor applies here.
Or I'm mounting the most inept frame ever.
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.It could be multiball, scum would be trying to go for other scum.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Or maybe there wasn't any tactical reason for it at all and the killer just wanted to be nice and let everyone stay in the game (minus Axxle2)! ;)Poor guy. He's been crying off in the corner all day.
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.
Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
@Robz: You were on Archetype yesterday thinking he was an SK, what do you think now?
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.
Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Scum without an NK? What is that? Who thinks of that? Scum without an NK. I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.
vote: Razzishi
Some typos near the end of that post that I didn't catch in previews because I tend to assume what I just wrote is perfect. "our" for "out" in the last sentence and "tells" for "tell" at the end of the previous paragraph.
I came up with was this, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Conspiracy) which while not helpful looks like a fun forum game.I have never even heard of that game! We should try it sometime!
I came up with was this, (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Conspiracy) which while not helpful looks like a fun forum game.I have never even heard of that game! We should try it sometime!
/sarcasm
A one hour forum game? That's crazy.It was. Maybe it's possible to do it again, but everyone would have to be active.
Robz is seeming prettyFTFYscummyscary to me.SKarch hunting and all.
Robz is seeming prettyFTFYscummyscary to me.SKarch hunting and all.
Robz is seeming prettyFTFYscummyscary to me.SKarch hunting and all.
What is it with Arch hunting anyway? Dude can't survive in any games. Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?
Robz is seeming prettyFTFYscummyscary to me.SKarch hunting and all.
What is it with Arch hunting anyway? Dude can't survive in any games. Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?
That one blitz game you moderated...
Robz is seeming prettyFTFYscummyscary to me.SKarch hunting and all.
What is it with Arch hunting anyway? Dude can't survive in any games. Have you ever made it to LYLO, Arch?
That one blitz game you moderated...
Woops just double-checked and it was actually Insom. Sorry!
I went to read joth's posts. There are only 3 of them. He didn't even vote yesterday, and one of the others made me suspicious of him. I think he's a great candidate for lynching.
I voted morgrim and it didn't show up in the votecount. so we can't lynch morgrim because we can't vote for him! he's either dead or vote-proof or something. I suggest we forget about morgrim.Vote: liopoil
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Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
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Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
I think some other people think I make one half purposefully useless. Other people would also try to kill some of the stronger players (I'm not very good at getting people to see my line of thinking)Unvote
Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
Wouldn't that just be, like, something anybody would do? "Who should we kill?" "I don't know, there's two Axxles, let's kill him." "Sure." You know?
Pre-planned? By whom? The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason... Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason? If so, what reason? I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played. I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either.Unvote
Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
That just doesn't sound like scum reasoning....unless scum is playing nice D1Unvote
Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
Wouldn't that just be, like, something anybody would do? "Who should we kill?" "I don't know, there's two Axxles, let's kill him." "Sure." You know?
Pre-planned? By whom? The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason... Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason? If so, what reason? I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played. I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either.Unvote
Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Pre-planned? By whom? The only thing I noticed was MC suggesting he was didn't like A2 and some others saying well, that might be kind of scummy--or at least suggest maybe he would kill for that reason... Are you suggesting there are people here that would lynch MC for some meta reason? If so, what reason? I just am too new to know MC, though he played scum in the only other game I played. I'm not sure hating A2 is a great reason to lynch MC, but not sure it's a terrible reason either.Unvote
Missed that part. I'll do a reread but I think mcmc might be the best choice for an Axxle2 killer. He's afraid I'd share information with him and vice versa.
Vote: mcmc
I'm not down with this mcmc lynch. I think this is a preplanned frame job.
Specifically I think jotheonah did the framing. It's not a meta reason, but very much in this game. mcmc spoke ill of Axxle2 (and is the only one who did). Axxle2 dies. joth immediately comes out to say that he thinks mcmc killed Axxle2 because he didn't want him in the game and votes for him. A scummy player (joth) going after someone (mcmc) for a flimsy reason. I'm not 100% sure that joth is on the scum team that executed the kill, but I think it's likely.
Vote: JorblesOh how I missed you Kevin.
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
Vote: JorblesScum teams?! Not one scum, not teo scum players, but more than one GROUP of scum? Woah. If that's true eHal is just wicked! Or is that a scenario that comes up in these Bm games regularly?
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
weird ass-end games
Multiple scum teams is certainly possible, though we have no evidence for it at present, and Jorbles did frame his statement as if he knew for sure there was. Like, if he is a Werewolf or something, he would know or at least assume mafia.Well. I would like to hear from a jorbles before I put my vote down on paper....but this has made put my finger of suspicion on the button.
That's more than good enough for me. Vote: Jorbles
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?
Don't reveal my double voting powers!
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.
Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Scum without an NK? What is that? Who thinks of that? Scum without an NK. I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.
vote: Razzishi
Are you playing a different game than I am? I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal. Recall that there were no rules posted at all. We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played. For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town. How would there be a game, you ask? Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left. Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't. Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left. They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever. I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups. We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.
My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here. I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?
That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.
(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?
That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.
(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)
That's not what you said, please explain.
Vote: Jorbles
"I'm not 100% sure Joth is on the scum team that executed the kill..."
A) Demonstrates knowledge of multiple scum teams.
B) Demonstrates that his own scum team likely was not the one to kill A2.
I don't know that there is one or more scum teams, is all I'm saying, but I am not ruling it out.
Then why do you think Jo's scum team didn't do the kill?
That's the opposite of what I think. I think Jo's scum team did do the kill.
(I don't know if there's more scum teams or not, but I'm not ruling it out.)
That's not what you said, please explain.
Town read on axxle as usual. Town read on Joth, he's comin out of the gate how I expect him too but it's not forced. Still curious of rashisi and ash(i believe) while I like speculation of the setup any unconventional setups are more likely to be suggested by people who would fit into them.
Razisshi is suspect, for sure, from his last post.Hopefully this post will be "good", I don't have much time to make it, but some decent thought went into it.
I don't see the point of scum making a kill on Axxle2. He didn't make a single post all day, so why would the scum be concerned about him? No, I think Axxle2 was a Vig kill by a Town Vampire whose NK is mandatory. If Scum had a NK, it was somehow blocked, but it's also possible there is no scum with a NK. Remember, this is a Bastard game. There might be no scummy scum, or what passes for scum has no NK.
Scum without an NK? What is that? Who thinks of that? Scum without an NK. I mean, it is just way out there, and a neat idea for a bastard game, but I don't think someone normally suggests this as a possibility.
vote: Razzishi
Are you playing a different game than I am? I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal. Recall that there were no rules posted at all. We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played. For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town. How would there be a game, you ask? Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left. Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't. Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left. They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever. I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups. We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.
My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here. I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.
Just got to read razzishi's response and I'm not sure jorbles post reaks of scummier setup knowledge than this.
I mean I guess jorbles looks like he's more likely to be on a scum team from the way he posted, but razzishi looks like he's scum with no nk. Also if there was multiple scum teams why would there only be one nk.
I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.
I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.
Maybe, just maybe, I read the other Bastard games that have been run here. And it's also within the realm of possibility that one of the previous Bastard games had a scum faction that didn't have a night-kill.
But no, obviously I must be a scum faction with a night kill, because it's such a new and truly original idea that no one else, especially not jtotheonah, would ever have used it before.
I think only scum that can't kill brings up the idea of scum that can't kill.
Maybe, just maybe, I read the other Bastard games that have been run here. And it's also within the realm of possibility that one of the previous Bastard games had a scum faction that didn't have a night-kill.
But no, obviously I must be a scum faction with a night kill, because it's such a new and truly original idea that no one else, especially not jtotheonah, would ever have used it before.
I haven't read BM1-4, so I guess there's that. But still, if its been used before in BM on f.ds, that makes me think it is even less likely to be the case here.
I haven't read BM1-4, so I guess there's that. But still, if its been used before in BM on f.ds, that makes me think it is even less likely to be the case here.
So I am clearly not scum without a night-kill, because there likely aren't any. Just a few posts ago I must have been scum without a night kill to even suggest the possibility.
Gah wrong game, and Gah why can morg post.heeheehee
try not to quicklynch again. :PLet's listen to him!
Im back guys! Did ya miss me?Nope! ;D. Oh, and morgrim, your claim didn't make any sense. Please fullclaim, everything. chances are we just lynch you again though...
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?Of course we can lynch!! I am confused by this post.
Shot through the heart
And you're to blame
Darlin'
You give love a bad name
An angel's smile is what you sell
You promise me heaven, then put me through Hell
Chains of love got a hold on me
When passions a prison, you can't break free
Oh, you're a loaded gun, yeah
Oh, there's nowhere to run
No one can save me
The damage is done
Paint your smile on your lips
Blood red nails on your fingertips
A school boy's dream, you act so shy
Your very first kiss was your first kiss goodbye
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?Like every time we try to lynch it backfires? But what else is there if no lynch? Wait for the werewolves to eat us all??
This is all very strange. I'm beginning to suspect that we can't lynch. Thoughts?Like every time we try to lynch it backfires? But what else is there if no lynch? Wait for the werewolves to eat us all??
Vote: MorgrimWhy not. If at first you don't succeed....
Does anyone have a reason not to?
When I self hammer I come back as scum. When I hammer someone besides myself, even if Im not alive, I come back with their power. In this case, an unlynchable lover.
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???O
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
So since morgrim took Korbles' role, you don't have to die because you have a lover again?Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
This makes sense, also this can be figured out quite easily and I'm going to claim to explain some things.
I am the lover, morgrim is now my lover. I did know that jorbles was unlynchable but did not know that he was scum. I was told that the person I was in love with was what some people would call a monster but that he was really harmless. I am going to assume it meant he had no nk. This is why I was worried about razzishi when he brought up the idea of scum with no nk.
So since morgrim took Korbles' role, you don't have to die because you have a lover again?Jorbles being scum makes me scum ???
I inherit their ROLE. Not their ALIGNMENT.
This makes sense, also this can be figured out quite easily and I'm going to claim to explain some things.
I am the lover, morgrim is now my lover. I did know that jorbles was unlynchable but did not know that he was scum. I was told that the person I was in love with was what some people would call a monster but that he was really harmless. I am going to assume it meant he had no nk. This is why I was worried about razzishi when he brought up the idea of scum with no nk.
And town points to joth for figuring with the song.
- Public flips. When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.And.....???
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
- Public flips. When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...
Scum lovers wouldn't happen, it's a bastardly role... oh wait.There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...
Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.
There's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...
Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.
Scum:Vote: Mcmc
Jorbles(lots of quality posts trying to make sense of things/similar setup info as arch and razzishi)
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip. It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I don't know about this.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
Or this.
I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?
Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
*town despite the flip.I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip. It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I don't know about this.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
Or this.
I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?
Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
I'm trying to determine how Galz could know that Jorbles is scum despite the flip. It's either he's a cop or somehow hiding alignments himself.
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.
I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
I agree this makes more sense than just blind hope that Morg will actually die this time. unvote; vote:mcmcThere's really only one way to find out if Morg can't be lynched....
umm, and end the day wasting our lynch again...
Or we lynch mcmc (which kills him AND morgrim) to see if morgrim inherited Jorbles alignment too. And mcmc is a REALLY good scum player. I wouldn't be surprised if he was scum lovers with Jorbles.
This makes some sense.
As mcmc mentioned his worry that Raz knew about scum with no kills, it would make some sense that mcmc is in fact a scum with no kill, given he's an admitted lover with scum. So the sensible answer is that mcmc is a WW Lover, too, I think.
Or, even more sensible, if Jorbles was the unlynchable one, that's really strong for scum, so unlynchable scum with no kill makes sense, right? So mcmc is lynchable scum with a kill.
Best guess: we lynch mcmc and kill two scum with one stone.
vote: mcmc
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.
If jorbles and I were ww together first off why would we invite anyone to the neighborhood, we would just use it for day and night scum chat. Also I don't think lovers is enough of a negative utility enough to merit lynch proof and bullet proof scum team
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.
And what does Robz have to say?
Also, as you well know, Neighbors are different from Masons, and there is no confirmation of alignment there.
AND, cults like to claim neighborizer, right?
AND, scum likes to claim mason/neighbors to cover for their QT.
Man, you just built a killer case on yourself...
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.
I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
Now night one jorbles was hardly here and I was gone around deadline, we never decided on someone to neighborize so we didn't do it. Night two I neighborized robz. Morgrim is now part of the neighborhood and has taken jorbles place as my lynchproof lover.
And what does Robz have to say?
Also, as you well know, Neighbors are different from Masons, and there is no confirmation of alignment there.
AND, cults like to claim neighborizer, right?
AND, scum likes to claim mason/neighbors to cover for their QT.
Man, you just built a killer case on yourself...
wow man what alignment was I last time I did that, bulletproof roleblocker oh yea town whatever.
Ill keep that in mind. In fact, vote: mcmc
unvote what am i thinking
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.Actually you self-claimed lover. Not exactly hard evidence.
Ill keep that in mind. In fact, vote: mcmcunvote what am i thinking
Morg confirming his connection with Mcmc here.
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.It's viable-you just make them lovers!
I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.
I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.It's viable-you just make them lovers!
I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
I've seen games like this with scum/town lovers, it's rare but not bastardly.Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
No, the bolded part DOES NOT make sense.
Town's win condition and scum's win condition are opposite. How could either of you win? If one of you dies, the other dies. So for one to win, you both have to die. Therefore, the best way to help town if you are the town half of the lovers is to immediately claim and get yourself lynched to kill the scum partner.
The scum half can wait until lylo and end game you, but that's a tougher thing to do.
Lovers with opposite win conditions makes zero sense, even in a bastard game. I mean, sure, you could build it into a bastard game to be a bastardly mod, but that makes it much less fun for some folks in the game.
Okay, there is more to this scenario and I think it really makes sense for jorbles to be scum and me to be town. I'm not sure I want to full claim, but I think the people willing to lynch someone that will kill two people who very well could both be town, the only evidence you have that either morgrim or me is scum is that jorbles was scum and I am his lover and morgrim inherited his role. Now people willing to kill off two people with that little evidence and go to night again so quickly worries me.
No, the bolded part DOES NOT make sense.
Town's win condition and scum's win condition are opposite. How could either of you win? If one of you dies, the other dies. So for one to win, you both have to die. Therefore, the best way to help town if you are the town half of the lovers is to immediately claim and get yourself lynched to kill the scum partner.
The scum half can wait until lylo and end game you, but that's a tougher thing to do.
Lovers with opposite win conditions makes zero sense, even in a bastard game. I mean, sure, you could build it into a bastard game to be a bastardly mod, but that makes it much less fun for some folks in the game.
- Public flips. When you die, your alignment and role name will be revealed.
Because that's happened each time.
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.
I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
Sorry I have now full claimed and everytime I claimed more you just said you that's scummier.
I said I don't see how a ww team that is lynchproof an bullet proof and has day chat is viable.
I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I don't know about this.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
Or this.
I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?
Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
*mcmc describes cult*I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I don't know about this.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
Or this.
I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?
Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
Well, I've debated this claim since D1, but I think maybe its safe:
I'm a Cult Doctor. That is, I'm not "A member of a Cult that Doctors", rather "A Doctor that prevents Conversion".
It seems silly that a Cult could kill though, so I think claiming that is "safer" than a regular Doctor claim.
eHal has hinted that my role does more than that, but the only concrete evidence that I have is from last night when I attempted to "Doctor" Jorbles. As with the first night (when I "Doctored" Joth), I received no confirmation from eHal after submitting my target. Unlike the first night however, I did receive a PM when the day started that contained a link to the Bon Jovi song "It's my life", linked to the set of lyrics:
"It's my life, it's now or never,
And I aint gonna live forever
I just want to live while I'm alive"
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.
Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.
As for my role, I've no idea. I said at the end of D1 that I had inside information that there might be a cult - and that's why. But eHal could very easily be screwing with me, and my role may be completely random. I've no idea. I've seen no evidence of a cult however.
That said... If you're in one, feel free to speak up!
*mcmc describes cult*I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said."Jorbles isn't scum, because I know he's not my scum partner!"
Vote: Galzria
Huh?
I don't know about this.I've reason to believe that Jorbles was town, despite what his flip said.Also why did you just claim cop?
Or this.
I mean, I know Galz hasn't played a game in awhile, but no way he just derpclaims cop or scum, right?
Galz, I do think you need to give us a bit more than what you said.
Well, I've debated this claim since D1, but I think maybe its safe:
I'm a Cult Doctor. That is, I'm not "A member of a Cult that Doctors", rather "A Doctor that prevents Conversion".
It seems silly that a Cult could kill though, so I think claiming that is "safer" than a regular Doctor claim.
eHal has hinted that my role does more than that, but the only concrete evidence that I have is from last night when I attempted to "Doctor" Jorbles. As with the first night (when I "Doctored" Joth), I received no confirmation from eHal after submitting my target. Unlike the first night however, I did receive a PM when the day started that contained a link to the Bon Jovi song "It's my life", linked to the set of lyrics:
"It's my life, it's now or never,
And I aint gonna live forever
I just want to live while I'm alive"
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.
Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.
As for my role, I've no idea. I said at the end of D1 that I had inside information that there might be a cult - and that's why. But eHal could very easily be screwing with me, and my role may be completely random. I've no idea. I've seen no evidence of a cult however.
That said... If you're in one, feel free to speak up!
"No evidence for the cult"
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.
Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.
Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.
I think it means that deep down the WWs are merely weird looking people, and are only hiding from Town because the Town will kill them. That is, WWs are not scum, even if they have a red role name. I would really like mcmc to make an honest full claim verifying that, not being afraid to tell us that he's a WW. I certainly won't lynch him for it.
And Galz, your entire role might be to provide that slight bit of information. That is, if you target someone who dies during the night, you will discover exactly what you discovered instead of saving them. So you're kinda like a Doctor in that you'll want to target someone who dies....
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
The text of the PM said that somebody had gotten to Jorbles before I did, and that there appeared to be a heavy amount of cosmetics on him - that underneath the horrible looks was a normal - although quite grotesque - human being.
Now, my PM did NOT say "Town", but I took it to mean that he wasn't what the opening flavor stated.
I think it means that deep down the WWs are merely weird looking people, and are only hiding from Town because the Town will kill them. That is, WWs are not scum, even if they have a red role name. I would really like mcmc to make an honest full claim verifying that, not being afraid to tell us that he's a WW. I certainly won't lynch him for it.
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.I'm 24 and what is this?
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?
I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?
I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?
No we should not
&
Yes, we are.
??(directed at Axxle)??I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.I'm 24 and what is this?
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?
I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?
I am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.
Should we not lynch the admitted WW who is tied as a Lover to a new WW?
I mean, are we really supposed to believe that WWs are town and not scum?
No we should not
&
Yes, we are.
I win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated but I have no nk.
Are you a WW too? I mean, sounds like you are a defender of them here...
So heres what I suggest, I think it should be believable that I have no nk. That means I am of no threat, whenever robz gets her he can confirm the act that I am a neighborizer and not a cult.
I win when all threats to the ww's are eliminated but I have no nk.
This, by definition, means you are NOT town. Town members are threats to WWs, so WWs need to kill town.
The ONLY other explanation that seems to fit what others are hinting at:
eHal has switched the names, and the majority of this game is WWs who have to survive by killing town, who have NKs. But who the heck would believe that?
Town members are threats to WWs
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.
My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.
Town members are threats to WWs
How do you know this? I wasn't told that. I think it's in your "Town" role PM, and you're the SK that's the source of the NKs.
vote: ashersky
Galzira almost confirms cult, mcmc describes a cult, we could kill scum or cult leader (with the bonus of killing the unusual morgrim role), yep mcmc is the best place for the lynch today.Have to agree. All of sudden there are a lot of claims flying around. Either way, ww, cult, or just plain scum, Mc is a good target in my estimation.
Are you playing a different game than I am? I'm pretty sure this game isn't normal. Recall that there were no rules posted at all. We have no reason to believe that the standard game of Mafia is even being played. For instance, one of my many theories is that we're all Town. How would there be a game, you ask? Well, consider that I am told I win when there are no threats to me left. Maybe some of the Townsfolk are threats to me, and some aren't. Those supposed threats might be in the same boat I am, winning when there are no threats to them left. They're not scum because they have a town-styled win condition and no night-kill, but they might still be designated a threat to me because of flavor reasons or whatever. I suspect each of us (or at least the vast majority of us) is a werewolf, vampire, alien, conspiracy theorist, piece of cheese, or similar that certain other groups consider threatening, but not all groups. We have no clue which groups are threatening, we just have to play until the mod tell us the game is over.Razzishi suggested this. Maybe this is true.
My attitude towards this is certainly going to draw suspicion on me, but consider the fact that I chose to play in a Bastard game for my first one here. I like thinking up wild and crazy ideas for how the mod is going to screw around with out preconceptions of how Mafia is played, and I would regardless of my alignment.
Oh and I was informed morgrim is now a ww as well.
Add me to the list.Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.
My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.
So far, claimed/dead WWs:
Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz
Anyone else? I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win? And that's insane. So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.
mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype, razzishi are ww.
Oh and I was informed morgrim is now a ww as well.Yeah. Sure. Whatever.
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.
mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.
unless eHal loves Twilight. (note: I know eHal knows Buffy.)
Here's the thing ashersky: WW is the majority. Why in the world would we lynch someone that increases how many WWs there are?
Why do people keep saying Axxle2?YOU believe he is lying.
@Archetype: We believe mcmc is doing something called lying :P
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?
Best guess, they all claim WW now.
But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?
Best guess, they all claim WW now.
But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.
No, it's exactly the opposite. And Jorbles is confirmed Un-Lynchable WW Lover. That's both positive and negative utility, but no active ability. So neighborizor makes sense. I believe Jorbles is what he claims, and I'm 95% sure there's no cult.
This role is one of like... 20 different combinations I asked for.
So mail-mi, Axxle2, and SB are the only people NOT claiming WW?How can something that eats people at night be town. That's a scummy thing to do even if your in a whole town of ww....something I highly highly doubt.
Best guess, they all claim WW now.
But still, Alarmist Doctor is a pretty good indicator that a cult exists.
My guess to eHal was that "Red text WW's" are the uninformed majority (commonly called "town" in most games),and "Green text 'Town'" are the informed minority (commonly called scum). I believe Axxle2 was "scum".
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.
So we should lynch SB, who refuses to claim WW?
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.Galz has you all snowed then.
24th letter is omega: ωωI am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.I'm 24 and what is this?
I'm WW, I softclaimed here:24th letter is omega: ωωI am a werewolf as well. I have no nk, and nothing I have claimed has been a lie or mistruth. Other than I may have said I didn't know jorbles was a ww, I knew that.I'm 24 and what is this?
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
Dsell and Eevee haven't claimed either.Neither have liopoil not Robz.
It's too bad your a Vampire!yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
*you're, before eHalc jumps in. :PIt's too bad your a Vampire!yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
Why would you intentionally screw out the rest of the "town" for mislynching you? That threat makes absolutely no sense if you're actually part of the WW town. It would be incredibly petty, which I know you're not. So.Egrets that leave us?
A) You're not a WW, but have a Vengekill
B) You're a WW and are trying to have us not lynch you.
My guess? A). But I don't think you're town. Your play isn't consistent with the others. My guess is you're the Cult leader trying to buy time.
You said you knew my role was true. I'm immune to being recruited, but somebody visited me night 1. I was going to write it off, but you got info on me. My guess is you tried to recruit me and failed.
Vote: Ashersky Likely cult, and probable "Town" if not.
It's too bad your a Vampire!yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
Too bad you're a Vampire. I had such high hopes for you!If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason. If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason. If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
I do believe ash more than mcmc, so my vote stays.
If you're a WW, why did you threaten to kill 3 of us, which would go completely against your win condition.
Plus, it is called a VENGEkill for a reason. If my own teammates turn on me, and I'm wrong about mcmc, I can exact vengeance.
Um, so your win condition changes after you get lynched? Why else would you intentionally kill 2 people on your own team if you could have just killed one?
I never said I wasn't. I am a WWI do believe ash more than mcmc, so my vote stays.
That's fine. You're not a WW anyway, so I would expect you to play to your own wincon, not ours.
Arch is almost certainly not SK. I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short. We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
Arch is almost certainly not SK. I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short. We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
No, vote Axxle. He's lying.Arch is almost certainly not SK. I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short. We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
Ah, that's fine then.
Interesting that you two have a QT as well as mcmc/Jorbles/Robz.
Hmm.
Unvote: Ashersky
And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...
Vote: Spiritbears for now.
And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...Why am I lumped in there?
I claimed before almost everyone.No, vote Axxle. He's lying.Arch is almost certainly not SK. I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short. We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
Ah, that's fine then.
Interesting that you two have a QT as well as mcmc/Jorbles/Robz.
Hmm.
Unvote: Ashersky
And.... Mail-Mi, Axxle or Spirit? Hmm...
Vote: Spiritbears for now.
Vote: Axxle
Specifically @ Galz:
You've played and modded with me enough. Do you really think I'm fakeclaiming this?
Arch is almost certainly not SK. I have QT with Arch (see Arch responding to my 49 WD = Werewolves Den) that is supposed to be closed during the day, but we each got 3 posts during this day after last night was cut short. We had them used up, so he had to respond to my last comment in the game thread.
Why do you have a QT? Masons? Cult?
I specifically did NOT receive a QT, even though I am a WW.
I'm a freaking WW!Specifically @ Galz:
You've played and modded with me enough. Do you really think I'm fakeclaiming this?
I think you have a Vengekill, yes. I also (at this time) believe mcmc. If you're a WW, and you're right about mcmc, and we lynch you - great. But if he is what he claims (and I base much of my belief in him on Jorbles flip), and you're a WW, then your choice on lynch would screw us over.
So. What should I do? If you're not a WW, that's a great fakeclaim because it's the one that has the potential to hurt us the most. Right?
We could ignore your and mcmc today and lynch one of the "Scum!Town" (likely Mail-Mi/Spirit/Axxle), which is where I'm at now... But I'm not sold.
I can't justify lynching mcmc however because if he's telling the truth we're throwing the game at a very winnable stage.
Fine, fine. I'll claim, just to get the liar lynched.
I'm a WW 1-shot Psychologist.
A psychologist is sort of like an actual Cop, but much weaker. They can target someone and if they have the ability to kill, I get a positive result. If they've already killed, I get a negative result.
I targeted Axxle last night and got a positive result. So he can kill, but hasn't yet.
Why Axxle?I have my reasons.
1-shot, so why N2?
Fine, fine. I'll claim, just to get the liar lynched.No you didn't. I'm a WW watcher. I watched Axxle. I did not see you target him. Vote: Archetype
I'm a WW 1-shot Psychologist.
A psychologist is sort of like an actual Cop, but much weaker. They can target someone and if they have the ability to kill, I get a positive result. If they've already killed, I get a negative result.
I targeted Axxle last night and got a positive result. So he can kill, but hasn't yet.
Archetype was lying so I didn't have to full claim yet. But now I do. I actually know that the real scum are spiritbears, Axxle, and jotheonah. Axxle2 was also one of them, and they are called Conspiracy Theorists. I know this because I am also one of them, but was recruited by Archetype to be a WW.Ooh ooh ooh Vote: Spiritbears
Archetype was lying so I didn't have to full claim yet.Sorry! Didn't know if you wanted me to explain for you yet!
Arch: was that a lie to save Razz from full claiming like (s)he says?Correct. I didn't know how I wanted him to handle it. We didn't expect there to be so many WWs.
And they also can recruit someone that has died. Sorta twice, once is any night on anyone dead, once requires 2 of them to be left and it suicides the person recruiting.
I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is. That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.
Well, the Axxle2 death for one.I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is. That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.
If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?
Well, the Axxle2 death for one.I don't know for sure, but I'm very much leaning towards ashersky as SK, so that's why my vote is where it is. That's the one person I'm not sure of most and the most dangerous role to get rid of since I can hear all the CTs speak (we/they have day chat), and if they kill me off I'll be revealed as a CT.
If I'm the SK, and you and Arch know the CTs have an NK, where are my kills?
CTs started as Me, Axxle, Axxle2, spiritbears, jotheonah. I was recruited by Archetype night 1, which led me to some serious setup speculation. Confirm eevee is in our QT. The CTs have a one-shot revive and recruit, and a one-shot reincarnate when there's two of them left. The reincarnate is the same thing as revive and recruit it sounds like, but it suicides the the person using it. Their win condition is to get rid of everyone else. That's why they're scum, even if they appear as town. Not sure why Arch keeps lying, but they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.
I tried as much as I could to push the alternate setup hypotheses as a pseudo-breadcrumb that my role would end up being very odd. I didn't want to claim immediately because I had no clue if I was right. Once so many people were out as wolves and someone actively attacked a person I was in a QT with due to a lie (which I think was a bad move, but what's done is done) I felt there was a compelling enough reason to come out and wouldn't get immediately lynched as a WW.
How do you explain Morgrim's resurrection? Was that a revive from the CTs?
they don't have a NK until they're down to one person.This is what I meant.
If true, you should have said all of this at the beginning of Day 2. All of it. You could have laid out the entire scum team for the town, and game over. So why didn't you?
Should we all just fullclaim at this point?
Should we all just fullclaim at this point?
Also, there's almost certainly an SK, who I think is Ashersky, and I'm probably going to die at night if we don't kill them.
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)
That is, I think it is in the WWs best interest to lynch ashersky tonight. Even though they aren't CT, the CT are harmless and we can lynch them all later. Even if they recruit ashersky after we lynch them, they'll have 4. We have eevee, Arch, Dsell, me, and mail-mi at least after askersky kills off mcmc and morgrim.
Yes, the WWs being able to recruit a CT is massively imbalanced once the WW group with the CT realizes they can claim, but this setup is so bastard that I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early. And I wasn't going to until I needed to in case there was even more setup weirdness, but I was pretty much forced to.
That is, I think it is in the WWs best interest to lynch ashersky tonight. Even though they aren't CT, the CT are harmless and we can lynch them all later. Even if they recruit ashersky after we lynch them, they'll have 4. We have eevee, Arch, Dsell, me, and mail-mi at least after askersky kills off mcmc and morgrim.
Yes, the WWs being able to recruit a CT is massively imbalanced once the WW group with the CT realizes they can claim, but this setup is so bastard that I don't think Arch expected us to claim this early. And I wasn't going to until I needed to in case there was even more setup weirdness, but I was pretty much forced to.
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)
You really don't believe you're dying with me?
A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.
Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills. This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.
Stop voting!!! archetype is not SK. he targetter razzishi N1, nobody else. I'm probably going to fullclaim. is that okay guys?
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)
You really don't believe you're dying with me?
A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.
Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills. This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.
For questions like this, I will do it the Dominion way and follow the role descriptions as I have written them. If that's not possible, I will be a bastard and make a command decision as I see fit. That's all I'll say on the matter.
I'll do another vote count. You guys are making it hard for me to stay away.
oooh, ooh, can we lynch ash now :)
You really don't believe you're dying with me?
A vengekill isn't a gunshot, so bulletproof won't save you.
Mod: please confirm that bulletproof doesn't stop vengekills. This is a mechanics question, not a set-up question.
For questions like this, I will do it the Dominion way and follow the role descriptions as I have written them. If that's not possible, I will be a bastard and make a command decision as I see fit. That's all I'll say on the matter.
I'll do another vote count. You guys are making it hard for me to stay away.
Huh. Changed my VK to Morgrim to be safe. Should still take out Mcmc then, if the Lovers role PM was written in any normal way.
You think I'm a bulletproof cult leader whos lovers with a lynchproof ww?
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.
I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb. No clue on WW, though.
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.
I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb. No clue on WW, though.
Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.
I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb. No clue on WW, though.
Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's
Happily sacrificing? That's a stretch. I'm trying to decide if I care about winning more than proving all of you wrong.
VKing Morgrim gives me the satisfaction of killing you, pushing a terrible case on me. But if you aren't lying by some crazy stretch, then VKing Morgrim hurts my chances of winning.
I'm able to change my VK up my lynch, I'm pretty sure. I'm undecided, but it's posts like these that stress to me just how terrible a WW you are being this game, if you really are one (which I'm sure you are NOT).
Techno-free Tuesday for me tomorrow also. I am a WW watcher. I think you all knowcwhat watcher does.
If we lynch mcmc, and I'm wrong, I think Razzishi and his crazy talk is our best chance at winning.
I think joth is telling the truth about Bomb. No clue on WW, though.
Sweet, you've said it before I assume you will stand by it, I am a ww, and I am bulletproof. I do not think I will die from your vengekill. That proves my ww with one ww death(if ash is ww which I doubt) instead of lynching me and having two ww deaths(morgrim is ww if I am ww I wouldn't lie). So you are happy sacrificing yourself for ww's
Happily sacrificing? That's a stretch. I'm trying to decide if I care about winning more than proving all of you wrong.
VKing Morgrim gives me the satisfaction of killing you, pushing a terrible case on me. But if you aren't lying by some crazy stretch, then VKing Morgrim hurts my chances of winning.
I'm able to change my VK up my lynch, I'm pretty sure. I'm undecided, but it's posts like these that stress to me just how terrible a WW you are being this game, if you really are one (which I'm sure you are NOT).
YOUR GOING TO KILL 2 OF THEM AS A VENGEKILL AND I'M THE TERRIBLE WW!
remember I don't think your a ww, so I am happy to lynch you and watch you fail to nk me with your vengekill because I am a bp ww.
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?
Alarmist means no cult, right???
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?
Alarmist means no cult, right???
Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.
Alarmists save people from joining cults. That's their job. So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT. Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.
Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.From the Mafiascum Wiki:
Alarmists save people from joining cults. That's their job. So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT. Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.
Am not caught up on last 3 pages, but for the record I think mcmc is likely werewolf, way more likely than Ashersky, and Ashersky is either playing scummily or poorly to want to vengekill him.
Mcmc who claims BP/LP Recruiting Lover Pair when we have a confirmed Alarmist in the game is MORE likely town?
Alarmist means no cult, right???
Alarmist means CULT IN THE GAME.
Alarmists save people from joining cults. That's their job. So if there is no cult, Galz is a VT. Seems MUCH more likely to be a cult.
ashersky..man this is outa hand. How am I caught, how have I slipped. I know that I will block your vengekill, but the fact remains you are trying to kill 2 ww's and you will now by vengekilling morgrim. So if your ww you are terrible, in fact probably a record for worst player ever, kill off 2 of your teammates.
I think we all know what kind of mod eHalc is.
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.
My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?
No quoting your role PM. This is just to make it easier with regards to my writing style. You may claim, you may paraphrase, but you may not quote.
eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?
I 100% believe your Alarmist Doctor claim. I know for a fact it is true.
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
I think we all know what kind of mod eHalc is.
You are absolutely right.
eHalcyon is quite possibly the smartest mod on f.ds. I doubt anyone would argue with me on that. He would have thought through EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE angle before making a decision. So Razzishi's claim that he solved the game by being recruited? 99.9% impossible, given what we know of eHalcyon. Mcmc's claim of a Daychat Nightchat Neighborizing Lynchproof Lover? Doesn't sound like eHalcyon to me.
Additional information, morgrim is my lynchproof ww lover now that he has replaced jorbles and has acces to the neihborhood.
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.
I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.
Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.
I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
Okay, votes with no explanation i'll full claim.
I am bullet proof, jorbles was lynch proof, we are also lovers and neighborizers. we have a neighborhood with day and night chat.
Also this is the last i am posting before bed, This is my original claim which included all the things I have claimed, so ash can stop pretending I added things as I went along. The only thing that changed was the before this I said I didn't know jorbles was ww, after this I confirmed jorbles was ww and morgrim is ww. The reason for this was before I didn't know we were all ww, and I didn't want to out my ww partners.
Something is wrong.
Mcmc, Ashersky, drop your argument for a moment and decipher these two posts for me:Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
Why is he twice agreeing with me turning attention on him? Am I reading that correctly? What do you two make of it?
Something is wrong.
Mcmc, Ashersky, drop your argument for a moment and decipher these two posts for me:Ashersky, you're tunneling. It's like you and Volt way back when. I do believe you have a Vengekill. I do believe you might be WW. But I strongly believe that Mcmc is what he claims. If there's a Cult, it's Archetype.Exactly.
So go ahead and point that Venge kill on me, ashersky. I don't care one bit.I do believe Arch is the most likely to be SK (or to be more precise, the least likely of the WW claims to be WW. His claim was the most... Opportunistic).That's the plan.
Why is he twice agreeing with me turning attention on him? Am I reading that correctly? What do you two make of it?
I thought morgrim came back to life and got Jorbles' power when he hammered. Argh. vote: spiritbearsAdditional information, morgrim is my lynchproof ww lover now that he has replaced jorbles and has acces to the neihborhood.
Here's the problem.
Jorbles is lynched--he doesn't die. Mcmc doesn't die. Okay so far.
Jorbles is nightkilled--he dies and is confirmed to be a lover. No one else is dead. Morgrim is resurrected.
So, it looks like Jorbles had no lover. Because that lover would haved died the moment Jorbles did, before Morgrim was resurrected. If mcmc is in love with Jorbles to the point where he would suicide upon his death, no way some random Morgzombie keeps him from following through with it. Lovers die when the other dies. Arch and I know this from BM5.
Can robz verify mcmc's claim??? he would know that he got recruited...
Can robz verify mcmc's claim??? he would know that he got recruited...One problem: Robz isn't posting.Or online.
Giving you that role when you specifically asked for no cult with it and then adding a cult?eHal, am I allowed to post my power requests PM to you?
I 100% believe your Alarmist Doctor claim. I know for a fact it is true.
Yes, but how I requested the role might impact the belief in there being scum.
Knowing it was a Bastard game, I sent in like... 15 different bastard roles. The one that contained Alarmist ALSO asked for no Cult in game, because, c'mon, what's more bastardly than that?
Can robz verify mcmc's claim??? he would know that he got recruited...he will be able to confirm as soon as he gets here.
We didn't finish the massclaim, who's turn is it?
And yes, Ash, mcmc is tunneling back with you. I'm very much inclined to think you're both terrible lynch choices. I'm much more intrigued by Arch/Eevee/Razz right now, with Spirit/Joth/Axxle behind that. And I'm torn on where to place Mail-mi.
But between Eevee/Arch/Razz - that could be Cult leader + 2 followers. I WAS targeted by something Cult like N1, but I've no idea what. If they ARE a cult, they could hit 4 tonight. Add in Arch pushing hard for You (Veng mcmc) or mcmc himself, and I feel like he's trying to thin the players asap.
The spiritbears lynch does have a modicum of sense to it, given he's like the only person to not claim WW.I neither claimed not not-claimed ww. I can say for certainty there are quite a few liars in here claiming ww. With all the crazy claiming going on A real ww might be content to sit back for a snack.Can robz verify mcmc's claim??? he would know that he got recruited...
Robz could, or could like to cover for him, like he did in DS9.
Arch and razz as cult members....certainly. But why lump Eevee when he's not here to defend himself. Lots of fake claiming lots of craziness here tonight. I trust no one.We didn't finish the massclaim, who's turn is it?
I don't think it actually started.And yes, Ash, mcmc is tunneling back with you. I'm very much inclined to think you're both terrible lynch choices. I'm much more intrigued by Arch/Eevee/Razz right now, with Spirit/Joth/Axxle behind that. And I'm torn on where to place Mail-mi.
But between Eevee/Arch/Razz - that could be Cult leader + 2 followers. I WAS targeted by something Cult like N1, but I've no idea what. If they ARE a cult, they could hit 4 tonight. Add in Arch pushing hard for You (Veng mcmc) or mcmc himself, and I feel like he's trying to thin the players asap.
Galz seems to be the voice of reason. And like yuma, that makes me trust you less. (half j/k)
The Arch/Eevee/Razz cult also makes sense to me. But why would Arch push for attention on him?
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.
And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.
Here's what ai think is going on....And we have another QT claim: robz, mail-mi, and I are all WW masons. we have a factional vig! mail-mi is also a watcher, as he claims. one of robz and I are a tracker, the other a voyeur. we only have nighttalk, and can't recruit anyone or anything. N1 we tried to vig morgrim, and we watched/tracked/voyuered archetype. He targeted razzishi, and nobody targetted him. N2 we vigged jorbles, and used our other actions on axxle. Nobody targetted him. I'm wary that robz may be cult now.
Robz is a WW Mason who got recruited by WW Neighbors (Mcmc)? The counterclaim is always the real one (see previous games). Mcmc coming up liar again and again.
Again not caught up but I think massclaim is not smart at this point. We have at minimum one lynch that we're mostly all agreed on, correct (spiritbears)? So we might as well lynch him today and if the lynch isn't clear tomorrow, massclaim then.
Razz is also a WW (which I guessed yesterday). As am I. I had no knowledge of anybody else's alignment to start the game.
My full role is WW Alarmist Doctor. Alarmist (look it up) being a role that cries Cult when there isn't actually one in existence. And while I DO Doctor against Cult Conversion, I also Doctor normally (can be separate targets, although I've kept them the same each night). Why Jorbles died though is beyond me.
So far, claimed/dead WWs:
Jorbles
mcmc
Galz
Razz
Anyone else? I mean, with 14 alive, a scum team needs what, 7 to win? And that's insane. So, do we think that WWs are part of town and we're searching for mafia?
so axxle2, ashersky, mail-mi, spiritbears are not ww.
mcmcsalot, galzria, jorbles(morgrim), archetype are ww.
Screw this. I'm in the wrong group in your list, man. Also, I confirm Galz is an Alarmist Doctor (but cannot confirm he's a WW).
So then, the sensible thing is WWs need to kill Cultists.
Here's the thing: mcmc is STILL the best lynch, because he has claimed neighborizer, the Cult safe claim. So let's kill the Cult Leader, who says he's a neighborizer.
yea I'm good with lynching sb, axxle, mail-mi. they claimed not ww I believe. Ash also led the lynch on me when he thought I was ww and then changed to trying to lynch me as cult. I still think ash isn't ww either.
I pushed hard for your lynch, because I thought you were a WW more than cult. I figured I had the best chance of surviving to the end by helping kill scum.
Since we're not scum, I'm much less interested in fighting to win this game, as it seems we're probably going to win anyway, given we're actually town.
I have a useful night action for town (which made no sense as scum, so that lines up).
Also, I have a vengekill, and will use it on mcmc, which will in turn also kill Morgrim. That's 3 WWs dead in one go if you make the wrong call.
Sorry Spirit. But Town = Scum here, and I'm pretty sure we've got this game under control now that we won't be lynching any more WW's.Galz has you all snowed then.
I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with. Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvoteWhy do you think this?
I think we should lynch one of {Arch, Eevee, Razz} today. My preference is Eevee (Arch is too eager to die, Razz came from a different group). We should then direct the Vamp NK at Morgrim (sorry mcmc). This should result in 3 flips and give us a great idea of who's lying and who's not. If the Vamp's don't kill Morgrim, we lynch them sequentially tomorrow and the following days.
This kills a lot of birds with one stone, without crippling any one faction if indeed people are telling the truth.
I explained this in my previous post, The only thing we know for sure is that jorbles was ww lover--making there might be one more ww out there. What followed was a huge string of crazy claiming, with eventually most people claiming ww---with everyone turning on people not claiming. The whole thing seemed like a giant bandwagon and not likely the true story about what's happening in this town.I still maintain its highly unlikely that there are more than two ww's, and I agree the cult is a serious problem that needs dealing with. Not sure where my vote was. (Probably unchanged from MC), but just to be sure: unvoteWhy do you think this?
IMPORTANT!
I fully intend to be offline for pretty much all of Tuesday. To that effect, I am going to actually sign out of f.ds right after this post to mitigate as much temptation as possible. Have a great day everyone.
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.
My reasoning that CTs are the real scum is that they are the only ones who have the win condition "You win when only your faction is alive."...says the cultist
Heading back to work.
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.
I think this means WWs need to kill MHs. So I would urge us to vote for them as well.
Except Galz makes a good point on the cult winning if that's true.
So, I think we lynch Eevee, NK one of the MHs.
Starting game state:sounds good to me, also razz claimed that CT only have a nk once there are down to one member. untill then they can revive and recruit one player and reincarnate while sacrificing one player. So we don't need to worry about the nk'ing anyone for awhile.
Alone: ashersky, Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim
Lovers: mcmc, Jorbles
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle, Axxle2, Jo, Spirit, Razz
Masons: Eevee, Archetype
Current game state:
(WW) Alone: ashersky (WW), Dsell (WW), Galzria (WW)
(WW) Lover/Neighbor: mcmc (WW),Jorbles, Morgrim (WW?), Robz (Monster Hunter; NOT WW)
Monster Hunters: Robz, mail-mi, Liopoil
CTs: Axxle,Axxle2, Jo (claims WW bomb), Spiritbears
(WW) Masons: Eevee (WW), Archetype (WW), Razz (claims ex-CT, now WW Mason)
This is a re-hash of mcmc's last grouping, based on Galzria's theory. It lays out people's QT relationships and "alignments" but NOT roles. Zero of this is confirmed other than the dead people, I believe, as it is just based on claims.
So, based on claims, there are WW, MH, and CT factions in the game. There has been exactly one NK per night, and no one has claimed JK/RB, although Galz could have doctored. But of course, he claims to have doctored the N2 NK, so take that with a grain of salt.
Razz says the CTs have a scum-like NK. Monster Hunters claim to have a Vig and killed Jorbles.
WWs win when all threats to WWs are dead. It isn't clear if that's just one faction, or all factions that are non-WW. It's possible multiple wins are in play here. Monster Hunters kill monsters, clearly.
Looking at WW claims, we have 7 original WWs, with 2 joining and 1 dead. It seems most likely to me that the WW Masons group is lying about being WWs, and is in fact the cult (of vampires?).
I want to kill the Monster Hunters to move toward my win condition, but I fear the Cult taking over the town. How about we lynch a Monster Hunter, then direct their Vig at the Cult? If they follow through, we can shift focus to the Cult since we'll have confirmation, or keep focus on the Monster Hunters if they don't.
We aren't ww. we are monster hunters, and are town-aligned. our win-con is that we win when all threats to town are eliminated. I didn't want to claim WW initially, but when mail-mi did I decided to go along with it because I knew we looked like a scumteam from the start. I realized it looks exactly like we are the scum team. I figured claiming not-ww would just make it worse. I do not think there is a cult. I think the ww are the only scum. ehalc bastardly framed us as scum, and archetype/razzishi as cult. would we claim something like this if we were scum? the same goes for arch.
I think this means WWs need to kill MHs. So I would urge us to vote for them as well.
Except Galz makes a good point on the cult winning if that's true.
So, I think we lynch Eevee, NK one of the MHs.
Okay, I like this thinking but I'm still trying to follow, why eevee and not arch? Isn't arch more likely the leader, he targeted razzishi...
We'll do whatever you want us to with our PRs, exceot vigging ourself.
Me or Archetype wont be targeting anyone any more, I'm fine with this being verified with tracking.
One small piece of evidence against a cult: I asked to be a cultist, eHalc said "well no, but this is pretty close with the qt and 1shot recruit".
Well, evidence to me, arche and razzishi at least, to others too if one of us flips.Me or Archetype wont be targeting anyone any more, I'm fine with this being verified with tracking.
One small piece of evidence against a cult: I asked to be a cultist, eHalc said "well no, but this is pretty close with the qt and 1shot recruit".
By evidence, you mean something you (possibly) completely just made up?
Or we can start nailing CTs instead of WWs!I'm 100% sure he is. If you aren't cult, you're vampires.
My recruitment was 1-shot! If you don't believe me, Track me or whatever tonight. I'm 100% syre Eevee and I aren't Cult and 99% sure Razzishi isnt scum.
What hapened to the ashersky lynch? I think that's our best bet for today.
Or we can start nailing CTs instead of WWs!I'm 100% sure he is. If you aren't cult, you're vampires.
My recruitment was 1-shot! If you don't believe me, Track me or whatever tonight. I'm 100% syre Eevee and I aren't Cult and 99% sure Razzishi isnt scum.
What hapened to the ashersky lynch? I think that's our best bet for today.
Raz is scum. And his scum group are either cultists or vamps.Are we scum with him or is he fooling us?
That I don't know for sure. It could be that he has you two snowed. Or at least you. Arch has acted along the same lines as raz. I don't have any scum read on you yet though.Raz is scum. And his scum group are either cultists or vamps.Are we scum with him or is he fooling us?
Of course I'm scum. We're all scum, just for different reasons.Speaking for your self....how do you feel about this statement Eevee?
I thought I was scum too! We are werewolves, remember. I thought there'd be a main ww team we should try to assist. That seems to be the case, only werewolves are the town here.Of course I'm scum. We're all scum, just for different reasons.Speaking for your self....how do you feel about this statement Eevee?
Ww. Are not town here. Or did you miss the last 2 pages?I think we are. We don't have a kill, we are a part of a bigger ww community (which we assumed was scum, but now it seems it's actually the majority = town)
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.
To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Exactly, and that's why I don't want to lynch you guys. We're not a threat to you, so hopefully you aren't a threat to us. I'd rather lynch ashsersky than a CT, but a CT if the ashersky lynch isn't going through.Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.
To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?
Exactly, and that's why I don't want to lynch you guys. We're not a threat to you, so hopefully you aren't a threat to us. I'd rather lynch ashsersky than a CT, but a CT if the ashersky lynch isn't going through.Yes. All threats to the town. And if you guys are harmless to us, why would we have to kill you? You're not a threat, apparently. So, we lynch a CT then?I don't, for now. Alarmist Doctor is an odd mix, but I guess so is WW recruiter.I think we should just lynch a non-ww (claimant) and see what happens. I think galz's claim is sort of dubious.eHalcyon is so bastardly all our efforts are futile.
I fear more and more that this is all just a waste of time.
I really think we should lynch a CT and I think it should be Axxle.
To any of the Monster Hunters: What's your wincon? All threats to the Town?
You claim to be a WW, and yet you want to Vengekill a WW lover that is killable and will kill another WW? That's 3 WWs in one shot for you, Mr. Vampire.
You claim to be a WW, and yet youFTFYwant to lynch the WW who has pointed hishave a Vengekill at the WW lover that is killable and will kill another WW? That's 3 WWs in one shot for you, Mr. Vampire.
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
I think this makes as much sense as anything ....if there are CT's that is.Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
Yes.The CTs sound more like a threat to us than the WW.Claiming to need to eliminate all threats to the town sounds weird to me. There is no town! Lies?We're technically town-aligned. The CTs are town aligned.
Flavor-wise, you want to kill us, I think.
What color is your role PM in? Green?
In the sleepy little town of London (which is not in England nor in Ontario, it just happens to have the same name as those more famous cities, get over it), whispers are being whispered. Rumours are being rumoured. Troubles arebeing troubledgetting troubling. They say that there are monsters living here, possibly even masquerading as regular old townies! Horror of horrors!
Note: the rumours are not clear if these "monsters" are just monstrous human criminals, or creatures of fang or claw or shuffling or ray gun or really, really foul-smelling cheese. There is some debate.
Now, the town of London cannot allow this. We have a reputation to uphold! If our homes are filled with monsters (either literal or metaphorical), then how will we ever make it onto a real map (and one day: the Atlas)? Our booming tourism industry will suffer terribly!
And so you are gathered, citizens of London, to suss out the riffraff and put them down. Gently. Fatally.
Monsters are red, townies are green. I think those are the only two colors in the game.What about Cult then, hm?
My vengekill is the only kill we have? Is that right? If so, Greens won't lynch me, and it's probably easiest for Red to lynch me at mylo so that I can VK a green to win it for red.Why don't we do it right now?
Monsters are red, townies are green. I think those are the only two colors in the game.What about Cult then, hm?
My vengekill is the only kill we have? Is that right? If so, Greens won't lynch me, and it's probably easiest for Red to lynch me at mylo so that I can VK a green to win it for red.Why don't we do it right now?
Trying to break a bastard game with math? Adorable. ;)Lol. Math is hard!
Trying to break a bastard game with math? Adorable. ;)
Wow. So impatient! Clearly not a fan of these long days?Trying to break a bastard game with math? Adorable. ;)
It's clearly unbreakable. But it's worth trying to do something to get this game moving toward an end.
Wow. So impatient! Clearly not a fan of these long days?Trying to break a bastard game with math? Adorable. ;)
It's clearly unbreakable. But it's worth trying to do something to get this game moving toward an end.
I still really don't think that we are your enemies. I think we need to get rid of the CT.I agree. But you three have to kill a CT as well.
Does Bomb blow up on lynch? OR just on NK?NK, but he's not a Bomb.
I still really don't think that we are your enemies. I think we need to get rid of the CT.I think the only thing we have somewhat verified is that Arch converted Raz (from what to what???). That has got to make you uneasy if you truly are a "monster hunter" or town.
I'm with you ash, we lynch joth, so his bomb cannot do anything, we have the monster hunters nk spiritbears. if the monster hunters don't nk a CT, then we lynch them all immediatly.I'm fine with that plan...up until the part where the Monster Hunters NK one of us. But I guess I'll have to convince you guys further that we really aren't a Cult.
vote: jtotheonah when we are down to just claimed ww's and monster hunters we lynch one of the monsterhunters and have them nk one of razz/arch/eevee. Depending on flips we go from there.
I'm with you ash, we lynch joth, so his bomb cannot do anything, we have the monster hunters nk spiritbears. if the monster hunters don't nk a CT, then we lynch them all immediatly.I'm fine with that plan...up until the part where the Monster Hunters NK one of us. But I guess I'll have to convince you guys further that we really aren't a Cult.
vote: jtotheonah when we are down to just claimed ww's and monster hunters we lynch one of the monsterhunters and have them nk one of razz/arch/eevee. Depending on flips we go from there.
vote: jotheonah
I'll vote for any of the CTs, but I guess jotheonah is the one we lynch, even though I don't believe his Bomb claim.
vote: jotheonahThat might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin. I don't get where you're coming from. Are you suffering from delusions perhaps? Is there something in the water? Airborne pathogen? Or blood born....
Razz's story is making spence. Other people (that arent CTs) are the only ones disagreeing with her (aka you). Since Galzs talk about Jorbles, I think that the werewolves aren't the monsters. In the OP of my QT, it says that not all monsters are monsters (literal).vote: jotheonahThat might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin. I don't get where you're coming from. Are you suffering from delusions perhaps? Is there something in the water? Airborne pathogen? Or blood born....
let's suppose Raz has gone "wrong in the head" or "is under the influence of someone/thing powerful" or is just otherwise delusional, or what if you knew she had secretly tried to get everyone to claim ww as cover for a much darker plan.....would you still be willing to risk following her?Razz's story is making spence. Other people (that arent CTs) are the only ones disagreeing with her (aka you). Since Galzs talk about Jorbles, I think that the werewolves aren't the monsters. In the OP of my QT, it says that not all monsters are monsters (literal).vote: jotheonahThat might make sense if you believe him to be ww....but if not, and if you believe Raz' nonsense, taking out 2 potential allies of your "monster hunter gang" in a town full of "monsters" in one night, could spell the end of the game for your gang....letting the monsters run the asylum doesn't sound like a very good strategy to me.....just sayin. I don't get where you're coming from. Are you suffering from delusions perhaps? Is there something in the water? Airborne pathogen? Or blood born....
Cease. Halt. Desist.
Let me read the thread. I will have many words soon.
vote: jotheonahMorg, you know what you know and we know what we know. I know you are a special kind of creature for sure and until we get more info from eHal, there's no way to know exactly why it went down that way.
I came back from the dead on my own accord. Nobody helped me. Ehal told me that I could get back only if I hammered while dead. Very specific.
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.Axxle2, a CT, was nightkilled. We didn't do that, we're town.
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.Axxle2, a CT, was nightkilled. We didn't do that, we're town.
I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
What an incredibly conveniently unprovable claim from Razz. Whodda thunk it?I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
What are you saying? If he is lying to me, then that means he is still with you guys.. why would he make that lie in that case? I don't follow.What an incredibly conveniently unprovable claim from Razz. Whodda thunk it?I guess I don't mind dying, since I've hardly had time for this game anyway, and maybe my flip will prove that the CTs are not the bad guys. But do reconsider following Razz come tomorrow.Razzish told us your flips would be "whatever the mod feels like though". A CT dying last night and none admitting doing it is a good point though!
Razz is clearly telling half truths. He's (wait - she?) clearly not with us anymore, but I rather suspect they're not with anyone. Razz has some wincon that involves convincing the town to lynch her former allies. Is what I'm saying. And Razz will say anything to get you to do that. Which is exactly why you shouldn't.We were told we can recruit someone to be a part of our team. We recruitted Razzishi. How could he (I'm actually not sure either! I should know this, been trying to avoid the subject to see if someone else uses one or another confidently) have some wincon that's different from ours/yours? What could have happened? Seems pretty clear he is with us, as he got turned into a werewolf. He could still be playing to your wincon if he particularly likes you lot, but I dont think thats very likely at all. I'm pretty confident Razzishi is just as commited to our team than me and Archetype.
Raz is playing you just like s/he played us. Why try to convince us all to claim ww? That doesn't help you if you're real ww's.Again, explain to me how it's possible Razzishi is something I'm not? HE CANT AT THE SAME TIME PLAY AGAINST OUR TEAM AND JOTH'S TEAM, ITS EITHER OR.
It's perfectly possible. And as he explained to us when she decided to play traitor: s/he is in it to win all by him/herself. Raz thinks s/he can play us off against you, we both wipe each other out and he wins on some other win/con. That's how I know Raz is true scum. Trying to sell us out to you while trying to sell you out to us. Either that or s/he is just not right in the head or under the influence of someone/thing.Raz is playing you just like s/he played us. Why try to convince us all to claim ww? That doesn't help you if you're real ww's.Again, explain to me how it's possible Razzishi is something I'm not? HE CANT AT THE SAME TIME PLAY AGAINST OUR TEAM AND JOTH'S TEAM, ITS EITHER OR.
Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!Other ct will back me on this...
Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's. I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
Are you saying ww's are a threat to ct? If he's so happy with you why then undermine your efforts?Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's. I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
I think you are a threat to us, yes. I think you are scum!Are you saying ww's are a threat to ct? If he's so happy with you why then undermine your efforts?Raz can't fulfill your win condition without dying. Doesnt have a similar problem with our win condition. To me it seems like Razz was happy to be recruited and is fully behind our cause. That's what I'm going with!Vote: spiritbears Got to have an ulterior motive, that just makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I really don't understand where this suspicion towards Razz stems from!Other ct will back me on this...
Raz has been working against both sides in our qt-- first us and now the ww's. I've been trying to tell you that all along. But you just refuse to listen.
So anyway. Can I suggest that lynching Razz would eliminate a lot of uncertainty and leave us with nice clear battle lines tomorrow?
I too would rather lynch myself or Eevee over razishi. Lynching razzishi helps the CTs too much.
had to go back and check currently on a CT and believe a nk at either eevee/arch is good to confirm there alignment. Then we clear out the CT's or eevee/arch/razz depending on flips. Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.How does a nightkill give any of us any info(except the SK/vamps/zombies that did the kill)? Only helps the faction doin the nightkills. (Which is undeniably not CT since we were targeted). Arch keeps begging to be lynched, so I bet he has some power that will be activated. I can't for the life of me see how lynching raz helps ct...it helps town in that eliminates a threat. But like I said he's playing both sides trying to get some wincon on his own. But that group (I think it's pretty well established) targeted and turned Raz. That makes them a threat to not only ct, but town/MH as well. I agree we get the most info by lunching one of them. I'd prefer it to be Raz, but will go along with an Eevee lynch if there's consensus.I too would rather lynch myself or Eevee over razishi. Lynching razzishi helps the CTs too much.
I agree, sorry I do think your a fun player and being helpful but you're the one who recruited razz, if you guys are a dangerous cult, you're the one we need to take out and the person I suggest gets nightkilled.
Galzria worries me.
the life of me see how lynching raz helps ctHe has access to the QT. The chatting has been compromised.
Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.I'm against it, but I guess I would be, wouldn't I?
the life of me see how lynching raz helps ctHe has access to the QT. The chatting has been compromised.Who supports this? If you are against it suggest a different plan.I'm against it, but I guess I would be, wouldn't I?
I think we should lynch a CT, and have the Monster Hunters kill ashersky. I don't think he is a WW, but is instead the SK. If I'm wrong, then the next day you guys can go ahead and lynch me.
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.
I'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.
I really think vigging ashersky is the best way to do this.
WIFOMI'm open to that idea arch, especially if ashersky will direct his venge kill at Joth and we still have the night kill directed at you.Or ashersky is scum and directs his vengekill at me.
I really think vigging ashersky is the best way to do this.
I can easily VK you, Arch, but you really want to die. That's very odd to me. I'll probably try to VK whoever I think will be most missed by everyone.
Alright, I am NOT a werewolf. I have no idea why everyone is saying they are werewolves. But I assume werewolves = scum, yes? Why would you admit to being werwolves? I'm so confused.
Well, mcmcsalot confessed to me that he is a werewolf, so I suppose I will vote: mcmcsalot
He speaks the truthAlright, I am NOT a werewolf. I have no idea why everyone is saying they are werewolves. But I assume werewolves = scum, yes? Why would you admit to being werwolves? I'm so confused.
Well, mcmcsalot confessed to me that he is a werewolf, so I suppose I will vote: mcmcsalot
You missed so much...you understand your partners believe that you can win with me an that we should instead be dealing with one of the two factions that are not dangerous(CT's and potentially arch/eevee/razz) ww's are the majority in this situation. If you refuse to cooperate we are going to lynch the three of you immediately. Also I have said a million times morg and me are harmless lovers, and if a time comes where we realize people have lied and we are in fact a scum minority preventing others from winning I will self vote.
I don't believe you, scum. And don't threaten me!Well seeing as you are contradicting your partners I think I am allowed to threaten you. We are in a bit of a crazy standoff with most people claiming ww, 7 out of 14 people have claimed ww. So while I enjoy the cooperation of the monster hunters an seek a peaceful end together, you have a nk an I do not, it is not a threat but cooperation from your faction is necessary, if you refuse there is no reason for us to cooperate with an enemy faction claiming a nk.
I am asking all true non-WWs to join together to eliminate the scum faction.I am with you as I believe all true CT. (Sorry Raz, you can't be with the scum ww's and us too).
vote: jotheonahThis is just such utter nonsense. So..."we need to get the people with a nightkill, so kill someone from the victim group????!!!!" (Even all the while in the qt, you talk about "leading ct to victory" while proclaiming your loyalty to arch and ev).
No one else seems to be interested at going after the group with the claimed NK and we need the CTs dead, so I'm fine with this. I don't approve of the suggestion to kill one of my fellow Masons for obvious reasons, but I guess everyone will feel a bit more at ease when it happens and there's not much I can do about it if people are really still concerned about a cult. I suppose you can count me in on agreeing to it for diplomatic reasons, but I fear it's leading down a path to a Town win. Of course, since it's Town making the kill I suppose they're just fine with that. I just hope we can share victory with Town.
I feel the need to state that my forum title is currently Conspirator.lol vote: razz the forum does not tell lies!
There are too many WW. I think many of them are lying, and the WW are actually a scum faction. Also, we need fullclaims from everyone. No reason not to at this point. I don't think there is any real "town" just many factions.What do you mean? If werewolves are scum, who are the people fakeclaiming ww then?
They're something else. they think that ww are the town faction, which they aren't in, so fakeclaim ww. enough people are doing this that it really looks like ww are town.Something else? Town, scum?
I don't know, they really could be either one. town if WW is the town faction anyone who isn't ww wants to be seen as ww. that's why anyone who fakeclaimed ww should admit it now.Townies have no reason to fakeclaim. you cant really say people are claiming WW and are town.
No, they've gotten the idea that ww are town because people have said that was possible even before people started claiming. enough people claimed ww to make them look like town. from the perspective of a townie who isn't ww, they are worried that is they don't claim ww people will think that they are obvscum. also, mcmc said ww were town from the beginning because jorbles flipped ww and he knew jorbles was town.
paraphrased:Yes. This is so true. Raz told CT in the qt that everyone should quickly claim ww to avoid becoming a target. I'm not convinced his little group (Eevee/arch/Raz), are ww. I seriously doubt Ash is. And MC is defintely some kind of scum though what is unclear...
...at the town meeting "people" were claiming werewolf like crazy! ... but obviously not all of them were monsters. Some were humans forced to extremes. our peers are claiming werewolf, so what can we do? since people who were our friends are speaking of lynching those who aren't hairy, there is no other option! some of the people at the town meeting must be lying to survive....
...lemonCan I haz lemon?
...lemonCan I haz lemon?
Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
i already gives you de apples!...lemonCan I haz lemon?
Oh that's in teh other game. IN this game I'm still hungry!i already gives you de apples!...lemonCan I haz lemon?
right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
wuz your problem? you wanna lemon too?right den one sec...here yeh go...
(tosses lemon)
Glad to see this has reverted back to a normal BM game.
right den one sec...here yeh go...*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?
(tosses lemon)
right den one sec...here yeh go...*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?
(tosses lemon)
So, you think WW's are town?...lemonCan I haz lemon?
Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
No sorry we has none...Not even a tap! Eat the lemon. NOW!!right den one sec...here yeh go...*catches lemon* Do you have water and sugar too?
(tosses lemon)
So, you think WW's are town?...lemonCan I haz lemon?
Okay seriously. People are fakeclaiming WW. Not all of you are WW. Ash is my top not-WW because he fought the WW so much then finally admitted to being one. I don't see the truth in it.
@mcmc's gang
Let's coordinate our votes and end this thing. Joth? spiritbears?
Vote: JothSince when were you in MC's supposed "gang"? Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Vote: JothSince when were you in MC's supposed "gang"? Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this. You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.
Vote: JothSince when were you in MC's supposed "gang"? Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this. You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.
It's clear you plan to take out the monster hunters right after killing the rest of the town (ct). I don't know why you think Mh would cooperate with you removing their only allies....
Ok....if there any more town out there, or anyone that doesn't want half the town eaten by vamps and wolves, time to pick a side now. Evil looks to be firmly in the drivers seat. MC has declared himself the leader of "his gang". So we need to take him out. Doubtlessly, they will still nightkill me. But I can only pray it backfires on them.
"Robzz the bully?!?!?" What a completely baseless accusation. Robz had hardly even pistes in this game, let alone bulky you or anyone else.
derphammers are always good right? especially in a bastard game!
ehalc isn't online yet, so we can have some quick twilight talk!
(was responding to ash)
robz, what do you think of mcmc/morgrim?
interesting that it seems eevee/arch's lover thing actually worked, but jorbles and razzishi's didn't.
well, mcmc claimed to be in a QT with you and morgrim right? So morgrim was actually in that QT?
you think he can NK? hmmm...
it says they flipped lover. I don't think they are partners themself, I think there is another WW lover who's with jorbles, and a CT lover with razzishi.
but he is now. can you talk during the day?
I actually think WWs are outnumbered now...
I take it you won't kill me to give me the opportunity to VK one of you? Even if you don't believe me, guessing you have decided it isn't worth the risk?
I take it you won't kill me to give me the opportunity to VK one of you? Even if you don't believe me, guessing you have decided it isn't worth the risk?
Well yeah, we don't want to activate your vengekill.
WW is "all threats to WW eliminated". I'm guessing one of CT and MH is the same. Otherwise, the game would be over due to "or nothing can stop that from happening" clauses on scum wincons. 5-5 would be an endgame.
Ha! I'm an idiot.So then how do you explain three deaths last night?
eHal is a lying mod. Either in my results, or in the flip.
Razz was not really a lover; at least not according to my investigation results last night. I think eHal is just tagging "Lover" on to stuff. Jorbles probably wasn't one either.
Ha! I'm an idiot.So then how do you explain three deaths last night?
eHal is a lying mod. Either in my results, or in the flip.
Razz was not really a lover; at least not according to my investigation results last night. I think eHal is just tagging "Lover" on to stuff. Jorbles probably wasn't one either.
Nevermind. Just check the result and it does say Lover there.oh who?
yes, but probably only one, because there haven't been that many deaths before, and arch and eevee claimed to have a QT together. My guess is that the NK is ash/galz/dsell.
Nevermind. Just check the result and it does say Lover there.oh who?
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
more that you guys are the only ones NOT in a group... and so I think you are. also, there is a green group of three with a NK and PRs. It would make sense for you three to be a red group with PRs. Then the CT would be the equivalent of arch/eevee+mcmc/jorbles. And then morgrim is morgrim.
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo? Who killed Razz then? CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo? Who killed Razz then? CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?
Werewolves killed him.
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo? Who killed Razz then? CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?
Werewolves killed him.
But the WWs I would have guessed could kill yesterday were Eevee/Arch, who seemed awful convinced of Razz's loyalty.
So MHs killed Raz and CTs killed Eevee/Arch.
Why would we kill Razz? We are not targeting non-WWs.
So you admit to killing the Eevee/Arch combo? Who killed Razz then? CTs killed their own because they believed he switched sides?
Werewolves killed him.
But the WWs I would have guessed could kill yesterday were Eevee/Arch, who seemed awful convinced of Razz's loyalty.
They're lying scum, who cares?
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:
I Cult-Doctored Ash last night, Real-Doctored Morgrim.
The only person dead that "lied" was Razz - At least as far as alignments go. Eevee/Arch both flipped Red Team. Razz (who claimed to be converted to Red) flipped Green.
That leaves the teams back to even, 5v5:
Yuma, Liopoil, Robz, Spirit, Axxle
Mcmc, Galz, Ash, Morgrim, Dsell
Lio and Robz (who share a QT mind you), are coming out gunning for a quick-lynch. Remember, we KNOW they have a NK, so if they can tip the scale to Green, they win.
MH's killed Arch/Eevee last night. One of the Reds (who has a NK) hit Razz (or he died with them as part of their "lover" group. Possible.).
In either case, it's worth noting that it takes SIX to lynch, and that unless a Red turns on his group, Robz and Lio's blitz to lynch cannot succeed.
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:
Oh look, MH's didn't kill who they said they would, and now are trying everything they can to pin the blame anywhere else. :eyeroll:
I Cult-Doctored Ash last night, Real-Doctored Morgrim.
The only person dead that "lied" was Razz - At least as far as alignments go. Eevee/Arch both flipped Red Team. Razz (who claimed to be converted to Red) flipped Green.
That leaves the teams back to even, 5v5:
Yuma, Liopoil, Robz, Spirit, Axxle
Mcmc, Galz, Ash, Morgrim, Dsell
Lio and Robz (who share a QT mind you), are coming out gunning for a quick-lynch. Remember, we KNOW they have a NK, so if they can tip the scale to Green, they win.
MH's killed Arch/Eevee last night. One of the Reds (who has a NK) hit Razz (or he died with them as part of their "lover" group. Possible.).
In either case, it's worth noting that it takes SIX to lynch, and that unless a Red turns on his group, Robz and Lio's blitz to lynch cannot succeed.
You forgot about mail-mi, which gives us 6. Adios, scum!
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.
That's fair. If the whole game is based solely around night action luck, let's end the days as quickly as we can. If it's really 6 vs 5, just end each day right away by picking us off one by one.
It's not end-gamed, though because we two groups don't know for sure that we can work together, I think. Or something. Or powers could mess it up, I don't know. All I know is that I need to eliminate the scum to win.
That's fair. If the whole game is based solely around night action luck, let's end the days as quickly as we can. If it's really 6 vs 5, just end each day right away by picking us off one by one.
Not voting is 10. With 10 alive it takes six to lynch. Someone isn't alive. And given Razz flipped Green Zombie, my guess is it's another Green team. That means, sorry Robz, but no adios.
guys... yuma isn't and never was in this game.
The funny thing is, MH are not town aligned. But by lynching me now, I cannot Doctor Morgrim tonight. This means they'll NK him, leaving just 2 WW's (Mcmc dies as well), 3 MH, and 2 Town (maybe 3? Not sure who isn't being counted).The funny thing is, we are town aligned. You guys are WW aka SCUM aligned.
If you lynch WW again (probably Dsell), they will NK town and endgame everybody.
Alternatively, if they lynch Town, Dsell will be NK'd to the same result.
Even if town and WW's come together then to lynch MH (4v3), it goes 3v2, 2v1 and you're looking at one alive from each faction, or stalemate - except MH can NK in a no lynch scenario.
Basically, you buy that they're town (they're not), and you lose.
....aaaaand yuma's gone.
can he post? :P
Oh, I've actually confused myself over who are we killing. Who are we killing?
We should kill Galz, right? His doctoring could mess us up, although I guess we could just shoot him tonight. What's the argument for doing mcmc instead? Sorry, my vote and my public statement are confusing.
Oh, I've actually confused myself over who are we killing. Who are we killing?lynching mcmc likely makes morgrim die too. two birds with one stone.
We should kill Galz, right? His doctoring could mess us up, although I guess we could just shoot him tonight. What's the argument for doing mcmc instead? Sorry, my vote and my public statement are confusing.
Actually, WWs listen up!
If we think we can get one more voter on me, lynching me today could be to our advantage. VK and all.
Actually, WWs listen up!
If we think we can get one more voter on me, lynching me today could be to our advantage. VK and all.
You've got my attention, do you plan on saying what the plan is or would it be better to keep it private (I am asking for clarification, not asking you to reveal).
Yeah friends, I think it should be mcmcsalot! Let's kill him, not Galzria.
Wow. Thought I'd die for sure last night! Either someone doctored me or someone lied about me bein the target (mcmc!)! So where are we? I never did believe Raz was a WW...he admitted to fake claiming we in the qt (eve wouldn't believe me....), I thought that group were vamps, but it looks like they were really zombies.
AbsolutelyWow. Thought I'd die for sure last night! Either someone doctored me or someone lied about me bein the target (mcmc!)! So where are we? I never did believe Raz was a WW...he admitted to fake claiming we in the qt (eve wouldn't believe me....), I thought that group were vamps, but it looks like they were really zombies.
Spiritbears, we are banding together to eliminate the werewolf scum. Join us in lynching mcmcsalot, please.
Robz, I am very confused by you.Once all the non ww's came out of the closet, Robzz has been full on scum-hunting. What's so confusing about that? I think he's consistent.
Let's take this thing to a stalemate.
If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch. And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.
EVErYONE knows you're not a WW. I bet we could get ww and town cooperation to get you!If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch. And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.
I prefer we let it deadline out and go happily ever after. I think that's WW's best chance of winning.
EVErYONE knows you're not a WW. I bet we could get ww and town cooperation to get you!If nobody wants to budge, you could vote no lynch. And then we could have an extended night where everyone tries to figure out what to do.
I prefer we let it deadline out and go happily ever after. I think that's WW's best chance of winning.
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
Scum??!? You are claiming team scum! Or did you just slip?Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Scum??!? You are claiming team scum! Or did you just slip?Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.
If that's true (and I have no reason to doubt any if it other than the "ww" claim) you should just drop the hammer on MC.Scum??!? You are claiming team scum! Or did you just slip?Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Yes, I slipped by calling you scum! ;D
No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.
I am just being silly here since we appear to be at an impasse.
Scum??!? You are claiming team scum! Or did you just slip?Yet....Even MC didn't believe your LATE and very fake ww claim. I don't doubt you're scum. But ww...not a chance. Probably vamp
At this point actions speak louder than words. He has a chance to hammer a WW and he hasn't yet.
There are some other fake ww's too I bet. I think your ww claim was not particularly believable.
I don't care whether you think it's believable, scum.
Yes, I slipped by calling you scum! ;D
No, I realize that my claim is a "scumteam" claim. Clearly not all is as it appears in this game. I have no QT, I know the identity of no other werewolves (except for claims), and I have no factional NK.
I am just being silly here since we appear to be at an impasse.
Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.
No way. No need.
Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Dude, they're claimed lovers. HE's almost definitely not gonna do that.Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.
No way. No need.
Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Dude, they're claimed lovers. HE's almost definitely not gonna do that.Okay, I think I have a compromise: We lynch Ash, who in turn VKs one of us. Then we're left even again, 4v4.
No way. No need.
Morgrim, get in here and lynch mcmc, man. You know you wanna!
Actually, it is Morgrim, so who know's what he'll do/
Morgrim, it woud be SOOO epic. "Pulling a Morgrim" would take on a whole new meaning. You have to do it, for history's sake. Come on! Lynch You know you want it.
Morgrim, it woud be SOOO epic. "Pulling a Morgrim" would take on a whole new meaning. You have to do it, for history's sake. Come on! Lynch You know you want it.
Alright Robz, this is getting out of hand. We talked this over over the night--why are you going so far off our plan?
Let's cheer for him! Morgrim do the lynch! Morgrim, hammer to kill! Morgrim, you know you don't really love mcmcsalot! Morgrim, YEAH!
That's an awful lot of fake upset from someone that's not even under the hammer. Maybe you should chill ash.
Man Robz, I was so pumped to be scum with you finally, too. But you are a bit bossy. Yelling at me in the QT for coming off too scummy with the late WW fake claim, coming up with this plan for today and then going completely off script? And you said I was a disaster...For this to be true, Lio and Mai would have to both be liars... I think they have both vouched for robz as a MH. Why start with such an obvious fake claim?
This game had soured for me yesterday anyway, and now this. Screw it.
Vote: Robz and I'll die with you.
Why would I vote for mcmc when you would surely turn on me, as another WW, soon down the line.But you're not ww. So why worry?
Man Robz, I was so pumped to be scum with you finally, too. But you are a bit bossy. Yelling at me in the QT for coming off too scummy with the late WW fake claim, coming up with this plan for today and then going completely off script? And you said I was a disaster...For this to be true, Lio and Mai would have to both be liars... I think they have both vouched for robz as a MH. Why start with such an obvious fake claim?
This game had soured for me yesterday anyway, and now this. Screw it.
Vote: Robz and I'll die with you.
That's an awful lot of fake upset from someone that's not even under the hammer. Maybe you should chill ash.
I'm upset with Robz, not with anything happening to me. Dude's impossible to be teammates with.
...okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...
If this is true then you should immediately drop the hammer on Mc. Otherwise this is is just more shifting from you......okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...
Robz and I are vampire lovers. We have a QT. We are the (a?) scum team.
If this is true then you should immediately drop the hammer on Mc. Otherwise this is is just more shifting from you......okay ashersky. if you want me to belive this one youre gonna have to be a lot more specific...
Robz and I are vampire lovers. We have a QT. We are the (a?) scum team.
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?
Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?Do you believe his vegi-kill claim then? Morgrim is an interesting idea though if we can't get MC. But really, I think Morg is the least objectionable of the scum. In fact I don't really believe he's scum. Scum hate lemons
Tell me how that went down then...Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?
Why would you say I'm lying? We killed Raz, after all.
Tell me how that went down then...Yeah, ash is lying. he's trying to get himself lynched so he can vengekill. maybe if you make a wagon on morgrim he'll self-hammer?
Why would you say I'm lying? We killed Raz, after all.
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.Yeah---just like he's done the entire game. His story has changed more times than Bowie.
I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.Yeah---just like he's done the entire game. His story has changed more times than Bowie.
Btw, did anyone listen to the song eHal posted? The one he says has NO relevance??
No I said Raz' gang were vamps or some other kind of monsters. So I guess zombie wasn't too far off.I Don't think so... you're lying to get yourself lynched.Yeah---just like he's done the entire game. His story has changed more times than Bowie.
Btw, did anyone listen to the song eHal posted? The one he says has NO relevance??
Weren't you the one calling me a vampire all along?
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash? I think his loyalty is questionable at best.
Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash? I think his loyalty is questionable at best.
Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?
sooo maybe, I really think hes lying and I'm not sure why but instead of a stalemate I might be okay with that especially if it kills robz, I want the monster hunters all dead in a row.
Ash if you are a lover with robz(and he will die) and you vengekill liopoil which i think will kill his lover mail-mi I would be willing to lynch you.
Hey MC
Would you join us if we decide to vote Ash? I think his loyalty is questionable at best.
Or maybe Galz--would you care to drop the hammer on MC?
sooo maybe, I really think hes lying and I'm not sure why but instead of a stalemate I might be okay with that especially if it kills robz, I want the monster hunters all dead in a row.
Ash if you are a lover with robz(and he will die) and you vengekill liopoil which i think will kill his lover mail-mi I would be willing to lynch you.
I don't want to be lynched. I want to lynch Robz. I am willing to point my VK at liopoil if we lynch Robz, though, since my death triggers it, even the lover's death when Robz dies.
Town, if we believe ash Robz dies and we loose evenness. If we want Robz and ash dead, kill ash and hell probably vk Robz.So do you believe ash on both the vegi kill and the lover claim? Robz is one of yours right? Do you think it's possible he's a double agent? Ok---how about "likely" instead of "possible" since anything is possible. Robz says ash is lying about him straight up.... Is ash also lying about the vkill?
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.
There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.
There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
on the lover thing or the venge kill thing?I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.
There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
I am not ash's lover, and you are an absolute fool if you believe him.
on the lover thing or the venge kill thing?I don't know whether ash is lying about the vengekill or not. All I know is that we would be crazy to do anything he says. He's still playing to win, trust me.Robz, are you ash's lover? I mean, i do believe him on the venge kill and with it he'll kill Robz, that's what I was saying.
There is zero reason for us to budge on the stalemate. I'd rather go into another night deadlocked than cave to them. I mean, I think that's better for us anyway. There's no way we come out ahead by wavering here today.
I am not ash's lover, and you are an absolute fool if you believe him.
You know exactly what I am. It's written in our qt.Just making sure.
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
No...it wasn't ash that proposed it....it was me...as a way to move forward, go after someone neither side trustsSo guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?
Why would we actually want to do this, though? Ash is the only who proposed it, meaning he sees some secret way to benefit from it.
We are at even now. Why don't we just stay that way, rather than taking some action that our enemies claim will keep us even.
So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
Are you concerned he will kill you robz? I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree. But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"??? Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member. An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.
DO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"??? Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member. An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
Are you concerned he will kill you robz? I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree. But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
Where did he say this? I just remember him resisting lunchDO NOT COOPERATE WITH THE OTHER SIDE.How on earth do you consider that "cooperating"??? Ash is some kind of monster/thing/cult member. An has lied incessantly for his own benefit alone.
But he wants us to lynch him. Which means we shouldn't.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
Are you concerned he will kill you robz? I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree. But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
Are you concerned he will kill you robz? I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree. But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
Go back and readD1there. Mail-Mi was never a threat to be lynched.
If I remember right--MH offered up Mai....didn't seem to scared to show us how they flip...So guys, if we kill ash he VKs Robz then were back even. Who says yes?I don't know why everyone believes his vkill claim....don't trust anything he says and that vkill claim seemed like angry desperation (although it looks lluke never was in any real danger, he has squirmed like crazy every time it looks like a wagon may be forming for him).
Are you concerned he will kill you robz? I'd rather not lose any on our side.... But
I don't think robz is in any serious danger if we take down ash, so consider me a yes if you, ax, Lio and robz agree. But if MC is just playing us and won't really vote ash it's not worth switching....so lets see a MC vote first.
The MH won't agree to this, because they aren't town and they're terrified of having one of their members killed because the flip will reveal this to you. The good news is, you don't need them. If Ash wants it, WW's will lynch him, and CT's can hammer it out. He'll VK a MH to prove to you that the MH aren't on your side. The teams right now are: 5v3v2 (WW/MH/CT). MH want and need to do everything they can to take down the WW's. By killing Ash, you get the best of both worlds. You see another WW flip, and you get a MH flip to prove they aren't town like they claim - and you get this at no expense to the CT. Even after a NK, you'll be left with 3v2v2 - which is a whole lot better for you and lets you know where you stand.
NO KILLING ASHERSKY!!!I think you're confused. (You list 6-4) Ash has consistently self-labeled red... But if red doesn't trust he's really red, (ESP MC---who he promised to VK at one point I think).
green should be willing to lynch:
mcmc
morgrim
galzria
dsell
red should be willing to lynch:
ashersky
liopoil
robz
mail-mi
axxle
spiritbears.
Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch
Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.Well this has gotten confusing. If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone. Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Vote: Ashersky
Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
Right! Please undo that Lio!Since there is no people on both lists, and both teams have 5 members, Vote: No lynch
Stop that. We haven't heard from Morgrim at all yet. He could hammer for our side!
Mod, please prod Morg.
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.Well this has gotten confusing. If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone. Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Vote: Ashersky
Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
woahhh. If we aren't town then the CT were all by them self? not a chance. We are town. And the CT have to assume we are town, because if we aren't town then they are as good as dead anyway.
Us three monster hunters have a very powerful role: the power to kill. Losing one of us hurts us a lot more than losing ashersky does to you.
Why does everyone believe that?!?? Can someone please offer any reason at all to believe that desperate claim?!?!? If I remember right he made that claim to counter an attack on him (if you don't leave me alone I'll vengekill you).Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.Well this has gotten confusing. If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone. Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Vote: Ashersky
Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.
Dude, we're town.woahhh. If we aren't town then the CT were all by them self? not a chance. We are town. And the CT have to assume we are town, because if we aren't town then they are as good as dead anyway.
Us three monster hunters have a very powerful role: the power to kill. Losing one of us hurts us a lot more than losing ashersky does to you.
Wrong. It's 5v3v2 right now as you well know. That is not "as good as dead", unless you're directly threatening them (which, of course, you are).
If you get them to No-Lynch, you NK a WW. That makes 4v3v2. Tomorrow you lynch mcmc, killing Morgrim. You then NK your choice (we'll say WW to stay consistent), and come up 1v3v2. And that's assuming no other shenanigans up your sleeves. THAT is "as good as dead" to them because they never learn the truth about what you are.
Now, by killing Ash (a WW), and letting him Vengekill Robz (something you can't have, now can you?) It not only makes the teams a lot more even (4v2v2 - still not enough for the WW's to take over), but they then know the truth about what you really are.
I want WW's to win. 100%. But barring that I'll do everything in my power to stop MH from winning - even if that means helping CT. Because at the end of the day you, Robz, and Mail-Mi are NOT aligned with the town. And the sooner CT can see that, the sooner we can deal with you guys.
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.
You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.
I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.
we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.You know, Morg never did anything other than say "yeah sure whatever" to MC's claims about him.
You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.
I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.
we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
Actually if the CT see us flip, then they'll see that we are town.yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.
You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.
I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.
we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
You're right. His wincon is anti-you. Just like your wincon is anti-town. You're scared out of your boots that CT will discover the truth about you. Anything to avoid a MH flip, right?
Actually if the CT see us flip, then they'll see that we are town.yes. ashersky is playing toward his wincon. His wincon is anti-us. He wants to die. Therefore, we keep him alive.
You really think morgrim might hammer? okay. Vote: mcmcsalot.
I think he might be more likely to hammer if we made the wagon on someone else... like himself, or maybe galzria.
we don't neccessarily believe the vengekill, but he wants to die. He must have a reason for this.
You're right. His wincon is anti-you. Just like your wincon is anti-town. You're scared out of your boots that CT will discover the truth about you. Anything to avoid a MH flip, right?
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.
Yes we are freaked out about dying! If one of any of the five of us die, the WW will have the numbers!
Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.Well this has gotten confusing. If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone. Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Vote: Ashersky
Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.
Vote Count 4.3OMG.
[redacted] (2): yuma
Spirit, think for yourself here. Don't listen to their lies - hell, don't listen to me. Read the last two pages and SEE how freaked out they've become over the idea of dying and showing their cards. You play their game, you lose. Plain and simple.
Yes we are freaked out about dying! If one of any of the five of us die, the WW will have the numbers!Oh look. Another MH scared of the truth coming out.Well this has gotten confusing. If all town (MH/Ct)voted Ash now, he'd be gone. Apparently his vegi kill is frightening.... Either that or....hmmm why such resistance to lunching ash?
Vote: Ashersky
Spirit, this is easy to prove to you. MH are not town. You already know that WW's aren't, but don't let yourself be played into a loss by believing they are on your team.
I'm resistant to do it because he claims he has a vengekill which will put us back to where we are now.
Contradict yourself much?
But then I know well enough that you'll say whatever you need to in order to meet your goals. Whatever's convenient, right?
This isn't rocket science. The reactions are all there for Spirit to read himself. If he wants to hand you guys the game there's nothing I can do. But I'll be damned if I can't scream "I #$@*$#* told you so" after the game. Hell, Spirit is more than welcome to read back on other Robz games. When Robz starts pushing his will as hard as he can, you've got scum!Robz. When Robz has a "whatever fool, your loss", you've got Town!Robz.
It's not like this really matters. McMc is V/LA anyway, and without Morg around consistently I'm short one voice of reason. But like I said, the decisions on Spirit. If he buys into your pack of lies, whatever. I've done everything I can to point the blatantly obvious truth out to him.
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me. Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.
I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over. So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.
It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps. Don't those numbers make more sense?
So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
Ohhhhh so NOW its not vkill, it's liverkill????? Sure ash sure.I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me. Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.
I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over. So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.
It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps. Don't those numbers make more sense?
So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
Ohhhhh so NOW its not vkill, it's liverkill????? Sure ash sure.I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Killing me kills Robz, just like killing Robz kills me. Galz wants to show the CTs that the MHs are lying scum.
I want the MHs to realize that Robz and I are a team together, and Robz has really screwed us (Vampires) over. So MHs should join me in lynching Robz.
It is 4 WW vs 2 MH vs 2 CT vs 2 Vamps. Don't those numbers make more sense?
So lynch Robz, which lover kills me, and it's 4 vs 2 vs 2 and you've eliminated a threat to town.
I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Except that ash now claims there is no VK and that robz is his lover.I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Yes.
Look, from WW perspective: If CT's believe without question that the MH are town, then we're at a 5v5 stalemate. If we go to night on a no-lynch, then come tomorrow, MH can overpower WW's with CT help. By lynching you then, MH guarantee themselves a win, even without the help of CT. So it's in WW best interest to prove to CT that MH are not, indeed, on their side. Because if we no-lynch now, MH win. They win over WW's, and they win over CT.
Now, I understand that CT know I'm WW, and that makes me admitted scum. But here's the thing. If we lynch Ash, and he VK's Robz, then it's an even trade. 1 for 1. If CT are telling the truth, that makes the teams 4v4, AND they still get a NK to make it 4v3 in their favor. EVEN if WW's have a NK as well, that puts us to a 3v3 stalemate - same situation we're in now. EXCEPT, I'll be dead. And that means no Doctor for Morgrim. This means in a 3v3 no-lynch, they can NK Morgrim, taking out 2 WW's, while the most town that WW's could kill is 1. That means the final day comes out 2 Town, 1 WW - and town win.
All I'm asking by pushing this strategy is that the CT's don't completely screw themselves over. By believing MH now, CT are handing them the game if they are scum (they are). By lynching Ash (a WW), CT can at least SEE that they aren't being fooled when Robz gets Vengekilled. At that point, the teams will be 3 WW (Ash dies, MH nightkill me) vs 2 (1 if WW have a NK) MH vs 2 CT.
3v2v2, or 3v1v2. If MH are town like they claim, CT/MH go on to win together. If they AREN'T town, CT have at least given themselves a chance to win.
Well that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
Well that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???
This makes sense, didn't robz say he still didn't way to lynch ash because its better to stay at parity.
I can vote: ashersky
Except that ash now claims there is no VK and that robz is his lover.I'm crazy confused someone pls explain what the deal with Yuma is and galz why do we want to lynch ash, just so we can have robz flip?
Yes.
Look, from WW perspective: If CT's believe without question that the MH are town, then we're at a 5v5 stalemate. If we go to night on a no-lynch, then come tomorrow, MH can overpower WW's with CT help. By lynching you then, MH guarantee themselves a win, even without the help of CT. So it's in WW best interest to prove to CT that MH are not, indeed, on their side. Because if we no-lynch now, MH win. They win over WW's, and they win over CT.
Now, I understand that CT know I'm WW, and that makes me admitted scum. But here's the thing. If we lynch Ash, and he VK's Robz, then it's an even trade. 1 for 1. If CT are telling the truth, that makes the teams 4v4, AND they still get a NK to make it 4v3 in their favor. EVEN if WW's have a NK as well, that puts us to a 3v3 stalemate - same situation we're in now. EXCEPT, I'll be dead. And that means no Doctor for Morgrim. This means in a 3v3 no-lynch, they can NK Morgrim, taking out 2 WW's, while the most town that WW's could kill is 1. That means the final day comes out 2 Town, 1 WW - and town win.
All I'm asking by pushing this strategy is that the CT's don't completely screw themselves over. By believing MH now, CT are handing them the game if they are scum (they are). By lynching Ash (a WW), CT can at least SEE that they aren't being fooled when Robz gets Vengekilled. At that point, the teams will be 3 WW (Ash dies, MH nightkill me) vs 2 (1 if WW have a NK) MH vs 2 CT.
3v2v2, or 3v1v2. If MH are town like they claim, CT/MH go on to win together. If they AREN'T town, CT have at least given themselves a chance to win.
I'm also confused by paragraph 2. What night kill?
I am also waiting to see ash push his own lynch. Haven't seen that yet. So I'm not sure he's down with your plan.
Also, whose word besides your own can I look to for proof you're ww??
Well that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Again....why? Ash has disavowed a vkill. So that leaves liver claim...which I think you don't believe either... So why protect ash thenWell that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Again....why? Ash has disavowed a vkill. So that leaves liver claim...which I think you don't believe either... So why protect ash thenWell that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
Galz: can you tell me what you did last night?
You trust robz so you refuse to lynch ashersky who has potentially a vk to take robz out with putting us even. That hilarious, if you trust robz why not lynch ash and get the flips.Well that's super easy to disprove. Robz, since you no longer need to worry about vkill, would you vote for Ash? If he's not your lover that should be no problem. And MH, do really trust ash over your own Robz???No. we trust robz. No MH, and hopefully no CT, will vote ash today. What I'm worried about is yuma.
no, we don't want both ash and robz to die because robz is more powerful than ash. Also, we don't know if ash might have some other motive for getting himself lynched. why WOULD we want to lynch ash?
Well anyway. Here is what I think. From the CT perspective it's best to take out ash and robz because neither are CT's.the real question is whether Robz is a threat to CT. From my perspective, I've heard both MH and Ww (claimed ww--well, MC/ash anyway) and the dead zombies, state an intent to wipe us out. I don't recall either Robz or Morg take that position. Robz has been pretty consistent since before you guys lunched Joth, that he wanted to kill monsters/undead NOT town. Ash/MC have both consistently pushed hard to get Joth killed and me NK'd. Granted, the zombie gang were primarily to blame for this...but MC and Ash did as well...and Lio/Mai. You two have some explaining to so I think. I'll have to read back, but I don't believe Robz was on Thw Joth train.
Players in alphabetical order:
- Archetype - Werewolf Lover killed night 3
- ashersky
- Axxle
- Axxle2 - Town Conspiracy Theorist killed night 1
- Dsell
- Eevee - Werewolf Lover killed night 3
- Galzria
- Jorbles - Werewolf Lover lynched day 2 and survived, killed night 2
- jotheonah - Town Conspiracy Theorist lynched day 3
- liopoil
- mail-mi
- mcmcsalot
- Morgrim7 - lynched day 1, revived day 2
- Razzishi - Zombie Conspiracy Theorist Lover killed night 3
- Robz888
- spiritbears
morgrim was online yesterday :(
Well, we're stalling now. Anyone wanna vote mcmc?
Okay, this is literally the only game currently not in night, and it is stuck at a stalemate.
It is BM--the mod could just force night.
Okay, this is literally the only game currently not in night, and it is stuck at a stalemate.
It is BM--the mod could just force night.
It's more bastardly to wait for you guys to no lynch or just decide to pile on somebody for the sake of piling on somebody.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
I'm prepared to wait.
I bet somebody from your side--coughMorgrimcough--breaks first.
Morgrim has not posted in 5 days. I request a prod of Morgrim.
If he does not post, I expect the mod to dispense of him with a modkill. Then there will be one (possibly two) fewer werewolves to deal with.
Woohoo, I go v/la and have 4 games in day. Now this is the only game in day and its absolutely dead.
Anyone listen to the theme song?
Thank you ehalc, for giving me a new song to play on repeat.
Basically the first song, this is Halloween from nightmare before christmass(one of my very favorite movies) is just saying again that there are many monsters in our "town" the second song which I had not heard before did make it seem as though the ww's have a nk. Ghostbusters to me seemed a reference to a cult, I mean "if there's something strange I your neighborhood" sounds like cult to me.
It would be so much cooler if I was. :'(Ha! We both came to that conclusion!
NBC is a movie about a Halloween town(the town in charge of making the holiday of Halloween and scaring people ect.) the leader jack skellington decides Halloween is boring and he wants to host Christmas instead so he kidnaps santa clause and tries to do Christmas(make and deliver presents) and it all goes horribly wrong because he ends up scaring people and ruining Christmas.Interesting. I was asking my daughter about it and the number and alignment of the monsters in that show might have an interesting correlation...
This is halloween is the song played when they introduce halloween town, there are werewolves, vampires, ghosts, an evil clown, and a few other monsters. The "bad" guy is the boogie man and his evil helpers who are kids.
Thank you ehalc, for giving me a new song to play on repeat.
Basically the first song, this is Halloween from nightmare before christmass(one of my very favorite movies) is just saying again that there are many monsters in our "town" the second song which I had not heard before did make it seem as though the ww's have a nk. Ghostbusters to me seemed a reference to a cult, I mean "if there's something strange I your neighborhood" sounds like cult to me.
Vote Count 4.4
ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma
no lynch (1): Dsell
Not voting (1): Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Morgrim has been prodded a second time. If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do. I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules. But still... it's unfortunate.
Vote Count 4.4
ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma
no lynch (1): Dsell
Not voting (1): Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Morgrim has been prodded a second time. If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do. I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules. But still... it's unfortunate.
We've had this discussion before. We are playing by standard rules, are we not? We've all agreed that under standard rules, inaction day after day is impermissible. A player who does not participate after being prodded is eligible for replacement or modkill.
Vote Count 4.4
ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma
no lynch (1): Dsell
Not voting (1): Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Morgrim has been prodded a second time. If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do. I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules. But still... it's unfortunate.
We've had this discussion before. We are playing by standard rules, are we not? We've all agreed that under standard rules, inaction day after day is impermissible. A player who does not participate after being prodded is eligible for replacement or modkill.
You are generally correct, except we are playing "pretty much the standard rules". That leaves me some bastard wiggle room.
I think Robz should be modkilled for daring to try and make the mod do anything in a bastard game.
This is stupid! This is really stupid. >:(
This is stupid! This is really stupid. >:(Then vote for mcmc and let the madness end!
Day 4 Start
Vote Count 4.1
Not voting (10): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, liopoil, mail-mi, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, Robz888, spiritbears, yuma
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Thread unlocked!
Vote Count 4.1
Galzria (1): mail-mi
Mcmcsalot (2): Robz888, liopoil
Not voting (7): ashersky, Axxle, Dsell, Galzria, mcmcsalot, Morgrim7, spiritbears
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
23.5 banked days + 7 new days = 30.5 days to deadline
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Vote Count 4.2
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, liopoil, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma
Not voting (3): Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Vote Count 4.3
ashersky (1): Galzria
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma
Not voting (2): Dsell, Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
I'm sending a prod to Morgrim now.
Vote Count 4.4
ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma
no lynch (1): Dsell
Not voting (1): Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Morgrim has been prodded a second time. If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do. I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules. But still... it's unfortunate.
Just looking.For what?
Just looking.For what?
I think in the next three vote counts, [redacted] will be lunched.
Vote: [redacted]
We'll see what the next vote count looks like.Vote: [redacted]
Anybody care to join me in lynching this fool?
Got something better to do?Vote: [redacted]
Anybody care to join me in lynching this fool?
Question for Robz, why not Ash?
Question for Robz, why not Ash?
Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.
Vote Count 4.2Count 4.2: yuma has to be voting for someone who already has 2 votes on him, this would be robz who is then in actuality at 3 votes. There is noone at 1 vote so yuma can't be a second vote on someone.
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, liopoil, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma
Not voting (3): Dsell, Galzria, Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Vote Count 4.3Count 4.3: If we follow our above rule yuma is still voting for robz who is actually at 3 votes. The other option here is that yuma's vote counted in the total next to his name, so he would be voting for ashersky putting him to the (2) that shows up for yuma.
ashersky (1): Galzria
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (2): ashersky, mcmcsalot
[redacted] (2): yuma
Not voting (2): Dsell, Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
I'm sending a prod to Morgrim now.
Vote Count 4.4Count 4.4: Now we get messed up there is noone at 3 votes so yuma cannot be a vote that doesn't show up. The second option works here, he could be still voting for ashersky putting him at the *3) that shows up next to yuma.
ashersky (2): Galzria, mcmcsalot
Mcmcsalot (5): Robz888, Axxle, spiritbears, mail-mi, liopoil
Robz888 (1): ashersky
[redacted] (3): yuma
no lynch (1): Dsell
Not voting (1): Morgrim7
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
hard deadline is Sunday May 19, 3:00am MDT
Morgrim has been prodded a second time. If he does not respond, I am not sure what I will do. I would prefer not to modkill in this case, and technically he is not breaking any rules. But still... it's unfortunate.
Just popping in to say that this makes no sense, if you're lovers you should be fine with you getting lynched too since that will kill Robz.Question for Robz, why not Ash?
Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.
No, it is not what ash wants. Ash wants Robz to be lynched. My dying is a side effect of that, but well worth it.
Yes! I think we can now put the whole ash-robz lovers claim to bed.Just popping in to say that this makes no sense, if you're lovers you should be fine with you getting lynched too since that will kill Robz.Question for Robz, why not Ash?
Because it's what ash wants, and he MIGHT be vengeful, so mcmc is safer.
No, it is not what ash wants. Ash wants Robz to be lynched. My dying is a side effect of that, but well worth it.
Vote: Yuma
Anything to get us out of this rut.
Vote: Yuma
Anything to get us out of this rut.
You guys already tried this before, I think, and it did not work.
No. Not until moth is either prodded into joining or is replaced. Dual. Please replace him if he doesnt want to play
For all any of you know he can't post. He died once already, so who the hell knows what's going on. He's been prodded. He's been on. He's not posted. At this point you should just get over it.
Vote: No Lynch
Unlike Dsell, I will officially request replacement if this is going to be pure stall until the 20th.
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.
This is just frustrating. You won't outlast me, you can't. My competitive side just will not let that happen. But in the meantime we are going NOWHERE and it sucks, it really really sucks.
This is like the last thing I want to have happen in a bastard game modded by eHal. It's a disgrace to what would undoubtedly be an incredible game otherwise.
Friends, stay strong. We will outlast the monsters, if need be.
This is just frustrating. You won't outlast me, you can't. My competitive side just will not let that happen. But in the meantime we are going NOWHERE and it sucks, it really really sucks.
I agree. Robz is going out of his way to make the game unenjoyable by intentionally trying to stall the game to no end. It's deadlocked. It'll reach deadline and no lynch anyway since he refuses to make any compromises. But rather than just vote it out to no lynch now he's intentionally dragging it out.
It's basically a middle finger to everybody actually interested in playing. So yes, ridiculously frustrating.
I'm sorry if you guys are truly upset at me (I don't think you are). I know this game is just for fun, it doesn't matter SO much... but I would have to like deliberately do something that hurts my side's chances of winning, you know?
First rule is that we can't copy our PMs.
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!
Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!
Don't really need to see his flip...he's scum that has tried to play both sides. But by all means...copy-paste away!Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!
Don't copy an paste, you wanna see his flip so bad lynch him!
Don't really need to see his flip...he's scum that has tried to play both sides. But by all means...copy-paste away!Copy and paste your PM, it will break the stall :)Yes Ash.....go right ahead!!
Don't copy an paste, you wanna see his flip so bad lynch him!
I know this is going against robz, but I am willing to vote ash if this is what is going to move the game along. Also no lynch and any ww besides morg/jorbles
Oh hi guys. I'm not going to vote for my best buddy bro times mcmc.
Dsell, Galzria, mcmc, let's see if any players are hated! Voting no lynch is like rolling over for the MHs. They'll just keep killing us. Vote for Robz!No vote for mcmc!
Vote: Robz. My first choice anyway.DUUUUUUUUUUDE I have no flip modifier and the MONSTER HUNTERS ARE TOWN!
Also, I'm 97% sure Mail-mi has a flip modifier, so killing him will not show that MH are not town. Would need to be liopoil or Robz.
YAAAY my jorb-a-dorbs is back!!!This made me LOlL
Dsell, Galzria, mcmc, let's see if any players are hated! Voting no lynch is like rolling over for the MHs. They'll just keep killing us. Vote for Robz!
Okay I know that this is going against my fellow MHs. Would all the other WW be willing to lynch ash? If you all do it I will probably throw the hammer down.
Okay I know that this is going against my fellow MHs. Would all the other WW be willing to lynch ash? If you all do it I will probably throw the hammer down.
I would do this but not until we've put you to L-1, probably.
I don't like lynching ash it doesn't really help us, but I guess I could live with it.
Vote: mail-mi
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
Ash wants to be lynched, however he denies it. he will self-vote/hammer. if ash wants himself lynched, that means he think it works towards his win con. ash's win con is anti-our wincon. robz is more valuable to us than ashersky is to them. if lynching ashersky was a good idea for us, the ww wouldn't have voted for him.
...and the CT can see we're town.NO. what could we possibbly gain from lynching ash?Killing a WW. Getting us back to even and actually LYNCHING someone today.
One of us will likely be NKed anyway. and the CT have reason enough to believe we're town. and all this is irrelevant: ashersky wants to be lynched. ashersky is trying to win. if ashersky wins we lose. we want to win. therefore, we don't want to lynch ashersky.Or ash is just trying to stay alive by claiming to want to be lynched (rev psych)....which seems to be working great!!
Hey yuma's back. I still don't like lynching ashersky, and would rather check the CTs for hatedness. With Galzria on board I can't do anything to stop it, though.
spiritbears, please unvote...And yes, I said that because I'm scared that ashersky will reveal our true colors.....
Or you could just, let the day keep going...Or not.
Did you really have a vengekill?
do you think I would play against my wincon in any instance?NO! I told them.....
prediction: ashersky flips jester, isn't really jester, comes back to life next day.That sounds familiar...
I believed you were not a werewolf, not sure if I believe you are a vampire. I am just hoping that killing you can still take down Robz. Any way to get one of the MHs to flip is good in my books.
I can no longer track, but I can post in any qt.why didn't you post in our QT last night? because you were dead?
Yes, by all means, let's lynch WW. Mcmc it is?
I can no longer track, but I can post in any qt.why didn't you post in our QT last night? because you were dead?
Yes, by all means, let's lynch WW. Mcmc it is?
Really guys? ???Rly.
Take care, dear friends, which masks you read as true,
for misplaced trust will spell the end for you.
-- yuma
Ugh I missed a whole night. I have a bit of internet now but may not have time to catch up, still mostly V/LA. I forget who is WW and who is something else but I suppose I can plop down a Vote: mail-mi.Let me catch you up: You're the last werewolf left and the rest of us are town.
By the way, sorry you couldn't complete your NK last night ;D.
Why a "probably bad" over a werewolf?Or I should say "probably probably bad"
Why a "probably bad" over a werewolf?Because we new we would win even if he died.
Nice job Addis!!!! Very well played!Whew, thanks!
CT all the way!!!
I think that's all the QTs. For people who don't want to sift through mod notes, I am now going to write a recap of what the heck happened...
I know. I wanted so badly to prompt you!Nice job Addis!!!! Very well played!Whew, thanks!
CT all the way!!!
I didn't realize there was a way for us to win till the end there since I misread something.
Not very fun for our QT, that!
Night 3 features a mod mistake, but oh well. Masons killed Eevee and I chose Razz as the nightly CT kill, which also killed off Archetype because both his lovers had died. This was the mistake -- jotheonah had died during the day, so I was not supposed to kill a CT that night. My bad. I'd had enough of the relative lack of deaths so far and wanted to see some carnage. Hmm, looking back, this was perhaps overly harsh on the werewolves. I am a bastard. :P But hey... I let them recruit Razz in the first place, so I guess that balances out?
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle. If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
Everything involving yuma was meaningless. ;)
Not very fun for our QT, that!
Night 3 features a mod mistake, but oh well. Masons killed Eevee and I chose Razz as the nightly CT kill, which also killed off Archetype because both his lovers had died. This was the mistake -- jotheonah had died during the day, so I was not supposed to kill a CT that night. My bad. I'd had enough of the relative lack of deaths so far and wanted to see some carnage. Hmm, looking back, this was perhaps overly harsh on the werewolves. I am a bastard. :P But hey... I let them recruit Razz in the first place, so I guess that balances out?
Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle. If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
Wait!!!!!Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle. If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
Don't take it away from us. We could still have used our self-kill resurrection!
Oh dang, you are correct. I think I had thought of this before, but then I forgot today. Honourable note, my friend. I must amend...
Don't take it away from us. We could still have used our self-kill resurrection!Wait!!!!!Perhaps most important is that one CT had to die every day/night cycle. If there would be no death, I chose one to kill (which could be doctored).I hate to say this, but actually I shouldn't I have been modkilled the last night then and DSell stay alive?
And thus the CTs won, because Dsell had no NK and Axxle would have a kill available the next day.
Oh dang, you are correct. I think I had thought of this before, but then I forgot today. Honourable note, my friend. I must amend...
why do the MH need to survive to win? our wincon, copy and pasted: You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending. If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night. Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win. He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows? He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do. So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.
Just one more way that this was a bastard game!
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending. If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night. Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win. He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows? He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do. So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.
Just one more way that this was a bastard game!
Apologies for the somewhat botched ending. If I had my wits about me, I would have gave it one more night. Axxle would have died, but he could have used reincarnation to come out for the win. He says he would not have done so (resulting in a Werewolf win), but who knows? He might very well have done it for the heck of it, given another night and nothing else to do. So Werewolves win, but it is questionable.Actually thinking about it, I would have done it, just to make sure that if DSell used some kind of vig on me it would miss.
Just one more way that this was a bastard game!
Fine, title changed to reflect that... :P
Also, MHs sort-of kind-of win, in that Werewolves could have been eliminated, even though all the MHs died by the end. ;)
how about everyone wins except yuma, who gets the cone of shame for never posting and ninja-voting?
What is this, 3rd grade, where everyone gets a winner's medal?
where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all.You should make that the name of the game. like "BMIX: where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all."
+1What is this, 3rd grade, where everyone gets a winner's medal?
No, it's more like adulthood where everything is vaguely disappointing and your wins aren't certain and maybe they are not really wins at all. :-\
how about everyone wins except yuma, who gets the cone of shame for never posting and ninja-voting?
yuma was never actually in the game. I was just messing with you guys. :P
Wait who won? Did I win?You ended as a conspiracy theorist so... maybe?
I kinda think this is a fitting ending. ehalc was making sure all factions had an equal shot throughout the game, so it makes sense that we all win.
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous. I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.(even in bastard)
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous. I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.
What happened to Razz is a good example of why recruiting people who have hidden information is dangerous. I think generally recruiting powers who try to recruit scum get killed instead of the recruit happening.
True. But really, I expected him to play both sides and not just out everything. He thought that the CTs were the scum of the game (not quite true), but he still shared their wincon. The safe bet would be to just let things play out... even if the whole game was Werewolves vs. CTs, that would mean that he would be guaranteed a win, sharing both wincons. The doors he blew open were dangerous, if there were any other factions about.
wait, we really were scum weren't we, because we weren't on a team with the CT? and we were the only three town...
Yeah…um. I liked the game, and the idea was one I talked to mail-mi about before creating SOC, and then didn't want to do it because I thought that that was happening here.
But what I didn't like was the rules changing as the game went on, but I guess it's your game and I signed up for it, and you did put a lot of work into it, so I don't care that much. Plus it was pretty fun watching the game and that's really all that matters.
I'm sad to find out that my death was by mod error. :P
So thanks for the game eHalcyon, I always enjoy your designs. Good job Axxle and CTs!
Haha yes this was very bastard.Yeah…um. I liked the game, and the idea was one I talked to mail-mi about before creating SOC, and then didn't want to do it because I thought that that was happening here.
But what I didn't like was the rules changing as the game went on, but I guess it's your game and I signed up for it, and you did put a lot of work into it, so I don't care that much. Plus it was pretty fun watching the game and that's really all that matters.
I'm sad to find out that my death was by mod error. :P
So thanks for the game eHalcyon, I always enjoy your designs. Good job Axxle and CTs!
I called it bastard for a reason. :P
It's almost like someone said at some point (over and over ad naseum) D3 that the truth behind the setup is that town is scum and scum is town...Wait, I thought this was common knowledge after the claims?
It's almost like someone said at some point (over and over ad naseum) D3 that the truth behind the setup is that town is scum and scum is town...Wait, I thought this was common knowledge after the claims?
wait, we really were scum weren't we, because we weren't on a team with the CT? and we were the only three town...
morgrim's cottage is hilarious :P.
robz got to be all of the alignments! does he win?
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.
Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.
Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?
Did I? I think so, yes. I would need to reread, but I'm pretty sure this is the game I spent trying to convince you and mcmc that you were teammates. Yeah, I think I pretty much believed all of the WW role claims for exactly what they were. I knew with 100% certainty after the lovers claim with Robz. But we still had the numbers at that point, and I was sure MH & CT were different. So I was willing to sacrifice 1:1 with MH to prove to CT that they were being deceived. Especially because I knew MH could whittle us out, especially if CT trusted them and followed their lead.
well, he flipped and investigated as WW, and got access to a QT with werewolves.
Just because he looked like, smelled like, and communicated with werewolves did not in any way make him one. Thank goodness.
Galz, you believed my Vengeful WW claim from the beginning, right?
Did I? I think so, yes. I would need to reread, but I'm pretty sure this is the game I spent trying to convince you and mcmc that you were teammates. Yeah, I think I pretty much believed all of the WW role claims for exactly what they were. I knew with 100% certainty after the lovers claim with Robz. But we still had the numbers at that point, and I was sure MH & CT were different. So I was willing to sacrifice 1:1 with MH to prove to CT that they were being deceived. Especially because I knew MH could whittle us out, especially if CT trusted them and followed their lead.
Were you advocating a MH lynch on d3? I don't remember it exactly, but the end result was that joth got lynched. I thought that was strange, since MHs were obviously much more threatening. I seriously thought they were screwed after their honest claims.
Vote: JothSince when were you in MC's supposed "gang"? Same question to Ash, since MC has spent the whole game bagging on you.
Raz---you know what will happen if you let this go down like this. You may be scum, but you are still half CT and lunching on your own is got to be some of the most treacherous action ever.
I've been one of MC's strongest supporters since quite early on actually. Look at his interactions with Ashersky and my responses to both.
I would rather lynch a MH, but I'm good lynching a CT. Neither are WW, and that's good enough for me.
I am maybe the last person standing?
I am maybe the last person standing?
In all likelihood, the CTs win (including Razzishi and Robz888). But because I screwed up a bit, it is questionable. :P
Ending of this game reminded me of the end of "Burn After Reading."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlA9hmrC8DU
I think my feelings are best summed up thusly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQQdSwFgSec)