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[mcmcsalot]

He is under the impression hammering, or hammering scum more likely, gets you coins. Fos liopoil for finding that somewhat scummy it's sorta obvious multiple people feel that way.

[yuma]

Ash, if I unvote, then you vote and I can has hammer? It would be my first one.

you are so scummy!

[yuma]

He is under the impression hammering, or hammering scum more likely, gets you coins. Fos liopoil for finding that somewhat scummy it's sorta obvious multiple people feel that way.

no mail-mi is the scummy one. Why should mail-mi get the coins. If there are coins? Who knows whether or not there are coins.... maybe you get negative coins? All I know is putting stats above the game is stupid.

[yuma]

yuma, if I hammer Jimmmmm, will it change your mind about me?

you do whatever you want. After the flip I will reanalyze as I always do. You may be scummier, you may be townier. I won't guarantee anything at this juncture and feel that it would be inappropriate to encourage or discourage you to vote with the reward or punishment of my reads on you.

[Jorbles]

He is under the impression hammering, or hammering scum more likely, gets you coins. Fos liopoil for finding that somewhat scummy it's sorta obvious multiple people feel that way.

no mail-mi is the scummy one. Why should mail-mi get the coins. If there are coins? Who knows whether or not there are coins.... maybe you get negative coins? All I know is putting stats above the game is stupid.

Putting stats above the game is stupid, but if we think the hammerer gets coins should we try to engineer someone we think is towny to hammer?

[mcmcsalot]

Yuma, I know it's stupid, but I have done it before. Remember the debacle that was me not wanted to hammer arch and add a town hammer. Now I don't think mail-mi cares about the hammer stat. I think he wants coins for hammering whether he will get them or not I don't know. While I understand that is scummy, the newbie games have been horrible horrible reference for newbies learning what is as isn't scummy. Mail-mi is just as likely to ask for the hammer for self benefit as town as he is as scum. Liopoil however who keeps jumping around and I feel like is trying to delay the game is slightly more scunmy for jumping on the opportunity to push a case on someone who isn't Jimm, and delay the game.

[yuma]

He is under the impression hammering, or hammering scum more likely, gets you coins. Fos liopoil for finding that somewhat scummy it's sorta obvious multiple people feel that way.

no mail-mi is the scummy one. Why should mail-mi get the coins. If there are coins? Who knows whether or not there are coins.... maybe you get negative coins? All I know is putting stats above the game is stupid.

Putting stats above the game is stupid, but if we think the hammerer gets coins should we try to engineer someone we think is towny to hammer?

I have no idea, but let me quote this from Robz

FAQ #4

You will earn $$$ for doing various things. You have no idea what earns you $$$, and you will never know. When I tell you how much money you have, it might be much more--or much less--than you expected.

meaning that I think the way to earn coins changes each night. So I think it is ridiculous and a complete waste of time to try and engineer something like this. Let's just play the game.

PS... if mail-mi wants to get coins by hammering... but also realizes there is a chance that he will be NKed... why does he want to get coins? Maybe because he knows he isn't going to be NKed and is scum? I don't know. He has played a very scummy game.

[mail-mi]

If you guys want someone townier to have the possibility of those coins, fine with me.

[liopoil]

If mail-mi is still alive tommorow he'll likely be my top scumread. partially because scum didn't NK him, partially because he's just super scummy.

mcmc I really don't understand how I'm slowing the game down. I think I'm still the top poster and am trying to get a majority on somebody. I, like yuma, have started to get a feeling that Jimmmmm is going to flip town, and so would rather lynch someone else, like lekkit, or maybe ashersky. I'm staying on Jimmmmm for now because he's the one at L-1, and seems to be the only possible lynch today. I also want to lynch Jimmmmm because he claimed. With him dead, we know if we can trust what he said, and scum can't use the info they have on him. (if he's town). Still, I'd rather lynch scum than town (duh).

I don't think we should worry about how to get coins, it'll go nowhere.

[mcmcsalot]

Vote Count 2.9

Jimm (6) -- Ozle, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, liopoil, mail-mi, sudgy {L-2}
sudgy (1) -- Insomniac
mail-mi (2) -- raerae, Eevee
ashersky (1) yuma

Not Voting (3) -- Archetype, Jimm, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 29 days left.

Ashersky is still voting for ozzle by the way.

[mcmcsalot]

Insom, raerae, arch, lekkit, eevee, ashersky (Jimm)

The part of that that keeps worrying me is you saying, I like Yuma have started to get a feeling that Jimm is going to flip town. So I ask, WHYYYYYY? He still hasn't reread, he still hasn't started contributing, as he's proving impossible to lynch which is a scum quality.

There are three scum left. 7 people are voting for Jimm, 6(7 Jimm)
If Jim is town either all three scum are on his wagon already
Ozzle, jorbles, mcmcsalot, mail-mi, sudgy, liopoil, Yuma.
Or Jim is town and scum is just not pushing this lynch through to stall the game out.

If Jim is scum, I'm going to make the assumption the remaining 2 scum is off wagon for purposes of getting him lynched. There are 4 town who don't think Jimm is scum.
Insom, raerae, arch, lekkit, eevee, ash

Either way this lynch is taking waaaaaay to long to go through.

If he's town there are 4 people who have been tricked into voting for him.
If he's scum there are 4 people who are being tricked into not voting for him.
I guess the reason I find him more likely to be scum is this. I think most people voting for Jimm have there own reasons, I know I found him to be scummy all on my own, so I find it hard to believe that 4 people have been tricked into voting for Jimm. I think the people not voting for Jimm don't have solid reasons and have been convinced not to vote for Jimm by other people.

I want insom, raerae, arch, lekkit, eevee, ash give there stance on jim

[mcmcsalot]

Sorry last post wouldn't let me type more from my phone.

I will look back for the people I mentioned and what they have said about Jimm to see where they stand. If I find they have given concrete reasons for why they aren't voting for Jimm they don't have to repost but still why are they not participating and I think they should.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't think Jimmmmm will flip scum, so I won't contribute to his lynch.

I think Jorbles, mcmc, Ozle (same case on him as on Yuma), and Yuma are better lynches.  With those, even mislynches tell us more than Jimmmmm-easy-lynch.

Alright this is tough from mobile, I wanted to include two other quotes that had to do with ash talking about Jimm. This is the most concrete thing ash has said talking about the Jimm lynch. He has never given a reason he thinks Jimm will flip town. He has said I am scummy multiple times and quelled talk about Jimm once when we have Jimm a soft deadline to reread.

So ash lets go, why don't you think Jimm is scum and give me some reason that aren't Yuma has a bad case and that I am scummier. I want your reasons Jimm's town, because that is what you believe.

[mcmcsalot]

Caught up. I don't think Jimmm is scum, he is frankly better at playing scum than this.

I agree with yuma in that inherently the people off yesterdays wagon are scummier. I got a townie feeling from Jimm's scrambling, but I dont think he is necessary scum for disagreeing if I was right.

Here is eevee, again give me some solid reasons. You are one of my guesses for town being convinced not to vote for Jimm. You think he is t scum because he is better than this, better than what? He is lurking and gettin away with it. If you are referencing killing xeiron that is wifom, it is a stupid argument for scum!jimm or town!jimm. You also say his scrambling is towny, do you mean his map claim? You yourself said he may have claimed as scum just to look towny. Also haven't we said, map claiming is bad for town, he didn't wait for people to tell him no because he wanted to get the town cred that came along with his "towny claim"

[mcmcsalot]

Re: Jorbles, Not posting something you wanted to makes you a lurker, posting it makes you scum. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't think it's scummy at all.

raerae, He's at l-6 and Jimm seems to be under a lot more pressure.

Also, will try to get some rereading done, since I will be going to a gaming convention tomorrow and I will be VLA until sunday.

Okay, said he was Vla, which is totally acceptable, should be back however.
When you get here please give a heads up on your estimated time of contribution, when we can expect you to be caught up ect. After that posting thoughts on Jimm before voting would be preferable I've been a part of far to many out of the blue hammers lately.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2.10

Jimm (7) -- Ozle, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, mail-mi, sudgy, liopoil, yuma {L-1}
sudgy (1) -- Insomniac
mail-mi (2) -- raerae, Eevee
Ozle (1) -- ashersky

Not Voting (3) -- Archetype, Jimm, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 28 days left.

[liopoil]

I went back to Jimmmmm, before Yuma.

[Robz888]

I went back to Jimmmmm, before Yuma.

So you did. I sometimes miss votes when they appear at the end of a sentence and end up all the way on the right hand side of the page.

I am editing the previous post count so that it's fixed.

[Jorbles]

A stalled out vote at L-1 actually makes me more comfortable with a Jimmmm lynch. Surely a scum player would have hammered by now if Jimmmm was town. If one scum player had been lynched d1 I'd do everything I could to avoid losing a second team mate on d2, stalling on the vote as long as possible.

[mcmcsalot]

I think I like the Jimmmmm lynch more than Insom because I do have high expectations for Jimmmmmm as town and he is not coming close to meeting them.  But, as a few people have already pointed out, I'm a bit leery that we have been steered toward those two. 

Jimmmmmm Notes:
1. In favor of map claim then backs off it.  This was before everybody got all up in arms about it being a bad idea so I have no scumread here. (early D1)
2. Argues against a no lynch because it doesn't help find scum.  This was basically the most content he's posted all game. (#397)
3. Doesn't address his wagon.  Is this scummy?  Is it just his play?  I can't remember a jimmmmm wagon taking place before...
4. Goes back to talking about map claiming...I don't care for that but since his lynch was gaining speed at that time, it almost seems like he's asking permission?

I'm not buying it and I won't support this lynch.  I think Jimmmmm is a good enough player that if he were scum, I'd expect his play to have done a 180 after Kooshie got lynched for lurking and not posting content.  I'll judge him more when his reads come in but I'm not game for this one as it stands.

ugh, I don't care is that was stupid on mail-mi's part. Doesn't mean hes scum in any way. Yuma voting for him after saying nothing could make him look at on-wagoners...thats scummy. Raerae, what don't you get about lynching someone who has posted about zero content.

What about my post was unclear?  I won't push this lynch through because I don't believe it's sound.  I think we're getting over excited because we (finally!) caught lurky scum for the first time since...what?  Buffy?  and the lurking was a secondary scum trait in that game...and we're going to make a mistake if we lynch Jimmmmm.  I really don't believe scum would be stupid enough to pull that twice.

That being said, he still does need to produce those promised reads.

mail-mi, are you still voting for me intentionally?

Yeah, but you are seeming more towny now that your back. Vote: Insomniac

Now that he's back??  What thread have you been reading?

Yuma, I really don't want to vote for jimmmmm because I really think he'd flip town.  I am with you on mail-mi but want to read him again to solidify that. If I don't get that in tonight, I'll have time tomorrow morning.

Okay this is raerae, her stance on jimm is a bit inconsistent quite a bit.
She starts out saying it is a better lynch than insom, but goes on to say jimm is towny because she expects if he was scum to have done a 180 and started posting lots of content because kooshie was lynched for being lurky. My issue with this is that she is giving town jimm a pass for not contributing but saying scum jimm wouldn't still be a non contributor therefor jimm can't be scum. She does want him to give reads and is suprised when mail-mi finds jimm towny before jimm came in and posted reads. Next thing raerae posts is that she doesn't want to vote for jimm. Personally I still don't think jimm has given reads and contributed, but raerae you seem to just not want to vote for him, is your reason still only that you don't think scum jimm would lurk after his partner died from lurking?

[mail-mi]

Guys, I just realized something. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'm not scum. Scum sees the perfect mis lunch in me and is not going to kill me. Just saying.

Where is everyone?! This day needs to end!

[mcmcsalot]

Alright, so you won't be getting it today (it's my birthday just logged on quick to check on this game). But I still think Sudgy is very scummy and I will compile my case on the matter tomorrow. If Jimmmmm get's lynched today I'll have it prepared for Day 3. Please EVERYONE note the bold section, we can infer mafia will, so you may be able to derive information from that on Day 3 in the unlikely case I am the night kill.

okay here is insom, and one of his two posts of day 2.(I am going to address the fact that you have two posts in a separate post as it has nothing to do with the jimm lynch which I am dealing with now) Birthday absence is 100% understandable as with lekkit vla.
When you do come back, instead of making a case on sudgy, I would like you address the person who is currently at L-1. Do you think jimm is scum, why or why not, are you willing to vote for him?

[liopoil]

jorbles! we need to end the day. Are you willing to do it now?

[ashersky]

Mcmc, read yuma's argument with me for why Jimmmmm is townish to me.

He's not guaranteed town, by any means, just less likely to be scum than at least three other options today.  I want to lynch someone who has a better chance of flipping scum.

[Ozle]

OK, Easter break over.

Dissapointed Insomniac is still getting a lurking free pass.

But obviously happy to still lynch Jimmmm as he is on my list, but looking at the list of people left, none of them seem to want to vote for Jimmmm at all. Unless they have hidden information I cant see why not to be honest?
Worried that scum may be stalling out this lynch so they dont lose 2 members in 2 days

Ashersky is my number 2 lynch possibility, but I really think we should get this day over with, we have bankable days here.

Guys, I just realized something. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'm not scum. Scum sees the perfect mis lunch in me and is not going to kill me. Just saying.

Erm.....your seen as scummy by some people, surviving the night makes you likely to be scum in thier eyes rather than not scum. Thats why they would leave you alive.
So therefore its highly likely you WILL survive the night, scum or town, and thus proves nothing.