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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #975 on: March 31, 2013, 05:22:07 pm »

Yeah... at this point I'm willing to vote for most people to get a lynch... but I think jimmmmm is the best lynch, especially because he claimed. Lynching him verifies if we can trust his info, and if he stays alive scum knows stuff about his location and items he may have bought.

About that treasure map Jimmmmm said was bought... if that was scum, then they know where all the rooms are already...
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #976 on: March 31, 2013, 05:28:13 pm »

Vote Count 2.9

Jimm (6) -- Ozle, Jorbles, mcmcsalot, liopoil, mail-mi, sudgy {L-2}
sudgy (1) -- Insomniac
mail-mi (2) -- raerae, Eevee
ashersky (1) yuma

Not Voting (3) -- Archetype, Jimm, Lekkit

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. The game ends on April 29th at 7:00 PM. There are 29 days left.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #977 on: March 31, 2013, 05:44:12 pm »

We have 29 days to end this...umm Yuma you still think Jimm is scum? Arch on reread let me know. I think Jimm is the best lynch and the most likely and we need to lynch someone.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #978 on: March 31, 2013, 06:13:48 pm »

Vote: No lynch

I'll go back to Jimmmmm if he's actually going to be lynched... or maybe someone else too if they might actually be lynched.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #979 on: March 31, 2013, 06:18:09 pm »

Vote: No lynch

I'll go back to Jimmmmm if he's actually going to be lynched... or maybe someone else too if they might actually be lynched.

Okay I'll lynch liopoil now. Sorry but how does unvoting help him get lynched. No lynx absolutely does NOT help town. So all you are doing is stalling the game. Scum noticing how long it's taking us wants to take advantage of it.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #980 on: March 31, 2013, 06:24:32 pm »

I'm doing quite the opposite. I would rather no-lynch later, but unless we have a 0 or 2 kill night then we're going to do it eventually, and might as well do it now because we need to get to night. My vote is essentially still on Jimmmmm, and would still prefer that he gets lynched. It's just that the lynch has stalled and doesn't look to me like it is going to happen soon. If he gets to L-1, or even back to L-2 I'll put my vote back.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #981 on: March 31, 2013, 06:27:36 pm »

I'm doing quite the opposite. I would rather no-lynch later, but unless we have a 0 or 2 kill night then we're going to do it eventually, and might as well do it now because we need to get to night. My vote is essentially still on Jimmmmm, and would still prefer that he gets lynched. It's just that the lynch has stalled and doesn't look to me like it is going to happen soon. If he gets to L-1, or even back to L-2 I'll put my vote back.
Well, if you want jimmmm lynched then vote for him! No lunch is never gonna happen!
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #982 on: March 31, 2013, 06:57:39 pm »

unvote
vote: ashersky

I am at the point where I strongly believe that ash is scum (I have had inklings of suspiciouns throughout yesterday and now more so today), and believe that he knows Jimmmm is town and is letting the mislynch slide so he can get a mislynch on me the next day.

At least I've finally gotten you to misread me.  Too bad it's when I'm town.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #983 on: March 31, 2013, 06:59:42 pm »

If jimmmmm flips town, Yuma knows we are coming after him hard for pushing a mislynch against all opposition. 

Basically, jimmmmm flips town (as I think he will) and I open D3 with a Yuma vote that will not go away.

Since when did the 6 other people voting for him turn into all opposition. Are you saying those 6 people don't actually think Jimm is scum as are just outsides by Yuma? I know multiple people were on Jimm before I looked at him and then I very much found him scummy due to my own reread.

If jimmmmm flips town, Yuma knows we are coming after him hard for pushing a mislynch against all opposition. 

Basically, jimmmmm flips town (as I think he will) and I open D3 with a Yuma vote that will not go away.
Whaat? Why?


I'm willing to vote mcmc or Eevee now.  If they are both willing to act like Yuma hasn't been the driving force being the Jimmmmm mislynch, they are scum or willful bad towny sheep.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #984 on: March 31, 2013, 07:00:13 pm »

being = behind
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #985 on: March 31, 2013, 07:31:15 pm »

What? I'm not saying yuma isn't one of the main drivers behind the Jimmm lynch. How does that mean he is automatically scum if Jimmm is town? Is it that anytime someone pushes a case on someone that flips town, you vote for that person, or if there something special about this case?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #986 on: March 31, 2013, 07:39:01 pm »

What? I'm not saying yuma isn't one of the main drivers behind the Jimmm lynch. How does that mean he is automatically scum if Jimmm is town? Is it that anytime someone pushes a case on someone that flips town, you vote for that person, or if there something special about this case?

There needs to be accountability for pushing something so hard without concrete evidence (such as an investigation result, etc.), so that's part of it.  He won't even consider others outside his named scum team of mcmc and jimmmmm.  That kind of tunnel vision is bad town play at best, or smart scum play.  He'll have the perfect out tomorrow: "why would scum push SO hard for a mislynch" he'll argue.

And this is why, I think.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #987 on: March 31, 2013, 08:03:11 pm »

I agree with yuma in that inherently the people off yesterdays wagon are scummier. I got a townie feeling from Jimm's scrambling, but I dont think he is necessary scum for disagreeing if I was right.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #988 on: March 31, 2013, 08:03:38 pm »

Townies just dont know. Cant blame yuma for trying to end the day by pushing "hard" either.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #989 on: March 31, 2013, 08:42:01 pm »

I voted no lynch because I thought it was possible that enough people were ready for the day to end to do that. I guess that is not the case, so Vote: Jimmmmm

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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #990 on: March 31, 2013, 09:00:19 pm »

I agree with yuma in that inherently the people off yesterdays wagon are scummier. I got a townie feeling from Jimm's scrambling, but I dont think he is necessary scum for disagreeing if I was right.

Wasn't Yuma off wagon?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #991 on: March 31, 2013, 09:44:59 pm »

Yuma why do you think I'm scummy, I keep seeing you make connections to me and Jimm and kooshie, do you just mean me and kooshie and Jimm and kooshie? Or do you think I protected my buddy day 1 and am bussing hard day 2??? I mean really if you think Jimm is scum how in the world am I scum...

Yes... or rather no... or rather let me explain better.

Out of everyone that kooshie had interactions with I felt that his interactions with mcmc and jimmmm were the most compelling... even though they were complete opposites. Your townread on him and his townread on jimmmmm. I think--or rather thought as I have started to change my mind ever so slightly--that this was the best place to be looking for scum. However, I do not necessarily think that you and jimmmm are connected. Possible, yes, but not for sure.

To clarify, I think one of you is scum. Both of you is possible, but certainly less likely.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #992 on: March 31, 2013, 09:55:58 pm »

What? I'm not saying yuma isn't one of the main drivers behind the Jimmm lynch. How does that mean he is automatically scum if Jimmm is town? Is it that anytime someone pushes a case on someone that flips town, you vote for that person, or if there something special about this case?

There needs to be accountability for pushing something so hard without concrete evidence (such as an investigation result, etc.), so that's part of it.  He won't even consider others outside his named scum team of mcmc and jimmmmm.  That kind of tunnel vision is bad town play at best, or smart scum play.  He'll have the perfect out tomorrow: "why would scum push SO hard for a mislynch" he'll argue.

And this is why, I think.

Qué? So many things wrong with this....
One: "named scum team of mcmc and jimmmmm." I have never named mcmc and jimmm as a scum team. as I said to mcmc above I think they both are most likely to be scum, if you felt I implied otherwise, I am sorry, but that is never what I meant to say. I speculated on it at one point and asked that they provide reads on each other but quickly realized that mcmc was in fact voting for jimmmm

Two: "He won't even consider others outside." I am voting for you, I have voted for mail-mi. I heavily considered Ozle after you pointed out that he was off wagon, something that I had forgotten. Really the only people I am not considering are Insomniac, because I think he is town after I considered him, and people early on the Kooshie wagon.

Three: "That kind of tunnel vision is bad town play at best" As I say before I have considered other options... what about everyone else who has only voted for jimmmm all freaking day long?

Four: "or smart scum play" no... what you are really saying here is that it is bad scum play, that scum!yuma will then use to WIFOM everyone by saying, scum!yuma would never play that bad... except that scum!yuma doesn't use those type of meta arguments. That is the sort of argument that you use and which I find to be ridiculous and which I have criticized repeatedly... see this game in which I criticize jimmmm's meta-defense when he said he wouldn't be such bad scum as to kill xeiron. Those arguments hold no water and are consistently ignored.

Five: "concrete evidence" yes, my evidence isn't as strong as an investigation result. Obviously. But it is soooo much stronger than your weak meta arguments that you consistently apply and are currently applying. We have direct relationships between confirmed scum and townies. That is solid evidence. Maybe it isn't "concrete" like an investigation, but hey! we dont' have an investigation right now, so I am going off the most solid stuff we have.

Ash is scum. It doesn't look like anyone wants to join me though. Whatever. Either he is scum trying to protect his scum buddy jimmmm or he is scum letting jimmmmm get mislynched and then trying to get me mislynched tomorrow. <I am sure ash is going to have something bad to say about this last sentence, but hey, I'll let him say it... I dont' want to ruin the fun of letting him say it for himself>
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #993 on: March 31, 2013, 10:04:13 pm »

vote: jimmmm
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #994 on: March 31, 2013, 10:11:50 pm »

Oh cool, this lynch might actually happen! let's quickhammer him, it worked out D1! ;)
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #995 on: March 31, 2013, 10:31:07 pm »

yuma, if I hammer Jimmmmm, will it change your mind about me?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #996 on: April 01, 2013, 12:21:30 am »

Ash, if I unvote, then you vote and I can has hammer? It would be my first one.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #997 on: April 01, 2013, 01:28:25 am »

Ash, if I unvote, then you vote and I can has hammer? It would be my first one.

I don't want to lynch Jimmmmm; I want to see what yuma will say if I agree to lynch him against my own best judgement.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #998 on: April 01, 2013, 01:38:54 am »

Hmm I've read the last few pages (didn't go all the way back), but I didn't see anything that made me not want to vote for Jimmm. I can confirm that some of what Jimmmm said is true in his claim, but not all of it. Nor does the fact that he said it make him any townier really. Both scum and town can walk around the map and look at things. He didn't report anything that I thought was really helpful to town anyways.

This yuma vs ashersky battle is interesting, but I don't have a strong opinion on it yet, I'd probably need more time to read up on it. I had a town read on both of these players before this weekend started, but I'll have to reread them I guess.

Does it seem weird to anyone that mail-mi really wants to hammer? I guess there's no real game based reason to want or not want to be the hammer so it's just unusual and not scummy or towny.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #999 on: April 01, 2013, 07:34:35 am »

I think mail-mi has a game based reason to want to hammer. this is scummy because scum knows more and would therefore have a better chance of knowing something we don't. why would he want to hammer if he didn't have a game-based reason?
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