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[raerae]

Call me dumb here yuma, (seriously, it's been that kind of day), but why compare this to Buffy?

I will not call you dumb!

Both had day1 lynch of mafia. So did the other game I reference. It was an attempt to see where scum fell in line when it came for voting or not voting for their partner. I thought that cayvie had been a late joiner of the Lekkit lynch that day, but I was wrong. She was very very early.

I tend to think that scum will rarely push for a lynch of their own partner day1 as the first voter, but cayvie appears to have done so. Or did she join it late as others unvoted and then revoted? I can't remember.

Ahhhhhhhhh, dang you have a good memory.  I can't remember exactly where she was on Lekkit but, without rereading, I'd guess she early voted for him and got stuck with it when the wagon gained speed too fast.

[raerae]

Scum quick hammer to keep from more info getting out is a possibility.

Our scummy town quick hammerer is dead...?

[liopoil]

ashersky has a good point. Any scum that was off-wagon would have to at least considered quickhammering even before xeiron...

[yuma]

Scum quick hammer to keep from more info getting out is a possibility.

except our quick hammerer is dead.

[ashersky]

Scum quick hammer to keep from more info getting out is a possibility.

except our quick hammerer is dead.

Terrible scum play, that.

I think we're looking for more newbie scum.

[liopoil]

I re-read jimmmmm and insom (they don't have too many posts) and skimmed through yuma, ozle, mcmc, and sparky for views on kooshie. So of these six people who were off-wagon, from towniest to scummiest:

mcmc, ozle, yuma, insom, sparky, jimmmmm

mcmc is actually my biggest town read right now. like I said before, he was the only one actually against the kooshie lynch. His stance of claiming stuff seemed odd as scum, and most of all, his play seems different from DS9 and another dinner party, both of which he was scum in, and one of which I was scum with him in. I remember realizing right around his lynch in DS9 that his play was very similar to in another dinner party. It's different here.

sparky is on the scummy side mainly for this post:

We are approaching a soft deadline it looks like, and no one is even contesting Kooshie in terms of votes. I've had a relatively high scum score on her as well. There's been a lot of scummy-lurking going on but Kooshie's jumps out the most. And there's too much hedging and uncertainty in her arguments. I am finally feeling confident that she is a good D1 candidate for lynching. Unless anyone has any other convincing alternatives I am willing to place my vote. Anyone?

The thing at the end is pretty much asking someone else to do the deflection so that he doesn't look scummy if he does it. He's also buddied me a ton...

Jimmmmm never really commented on kooshie I think. his posts are really short too. him or insom is probably the best lurker lynch right now.

[Eevee]

I think we should definitely look at the non-wagoners. Day 1 mafia lynch gives us some really good intel. Definitely worth rereading.

[ashersky]

Sparky definitely looks bad from that post.

[Eevee]

I had some suspicion on sparky already yesterday. I'll reread him when I have better access.

[raerae]

I can't say I agree with that.  Announcing intent always seems like a townie thing to do to me.

Also, ash, didn't you just say we're looking for newbie scum?  Hasn't sparky been scum a bajillion times? 

[sparky5856]

Bajillion and one, actually.

Yeah guys, I didn't think there would be anything wrong with stating intent for L-1. I didn't want to set up a scum quickhammer, regardless of the scuminess of Kooshie.

[sparky5856]

In fact since I've been scum so many times I'm an easy target for scum to pick on once I get heat. It's how I felt in Dsell's cat game, the only reason I survived to the endgame was because it was apparently impossible for me to die.

So, my take, Insomniac is the scummiest of those off-wagon.

[yuma]

In fact since I've been scum so many times I'm an easy target for scum to pick on once I get heat. It's how I felt in Dsell's cat game, the only reason I survived to the endgame was because it was apparently impossible for me to die.

So, my take, Insomniac is the scummiest of those off-wagon.

you were scum with insom before in XII. Would he lurk as heavy as he has in this game? He certainly didn't lurk there at all.

Eevee same question to you. Did he lurk in Ozle's game? That game is a slightly fuzzy memory for me even though it was so recent.

[sparky5856]

In fact since I've been scum so many times I'm an easy target for scum to pick on once I get heat. It's how I felt in Dsell's cat game, the only reason I survived to the endgame was because it was apparently impossible for me to die.

So, my take, Insomniac is the scummiest of those off-wagon.

you were scum with insom before in XII. Would he lurk as heavy as he has in this game? He certainly didn't lurk there at all.

It's intriguing. Particularly because right now he is THE lurker of the game.
There's just a feeling where scum try not to repeat past behaviors, but this is the opposite extreme... it's peculiar.

[yuma]

In fact since I've been scum so many times I'm an easy target for scum to pick on once I get heat. It's how I felt in Dsell's cat game, the only reason I survived to the endgame was because it was apparently impossible for me to die.

So, my take, Insomniac is the scummiest of those off-wagon.

you were scum with insom before in XII. Would he lurk as heavy as he has in this game? He certainly didn't lurk there at all.

It's intriguing. Particularly because right now he is THE lurker of the game.
There's just a feeling where scum try not to repeat past behaviors, but this is the opposite extreme... it's peculiar.

sure I can see that scum will want to not replicate behavior. But we tend to see it in the opposite direction just because everyone knows that hardcore lurking is going to bring about intense scrutiny, something that scum does not want.

I am not saying insomniac isn't scummy for doing so, he is to an extent. It is like you say... intriguing.

[sparky5856]

And it's not only that... he voted for ashersky with his second post before leaving for the weekend; leaving your vote on someone while not contributing is extra scummy at least to me. He only mentioned kooshie once and that he had no strong opinions on her.

[Eevee]

Ins is not above hc lurking as scum. He is very bold, certainly isnt afraid of getting caught.

[sudgy]

Is Insomniac usually this lurky?  I'm kind of suspicious of him from that, and Jimmmmm too.  He wasn't lurky in my earlier game with him (even though he was only alive D1)

[Lekkit]

He was almost this lurky in Masons and Monks, where he was town. Something to remember is that this is a pretty huge game. Lurking will both be easier to fall into and may not be punished as hard as in smaller games.

[Ozle]

He was a bit lurky in my game after the whole eevee/Insom fake fight, and scum.
But you could see from the planning that he is smart enough to take a different tactic each game.

I sort of think myself on the Kooshie wagon to be honest, i stated intent to Hammer and would have done so after giving Kooshie a chance to speak, only the bad quickhammer stopped that.

I also think we are looking for newbie scum here because of the Xeiron, or a couple of newbie scum and someone who isnt so active to help them out.

Did anybody vote for Kooshie and then unvote again once it looked like gathering steam?
Because Its Like That what scum would do, its where I would look first.

[Ozle]

Ok, so I may have possibly found a way to clear one person as a townie, but I dont know which person. And to give the whole story would ruin it. (this is one of the reasons I was so against Map sharing yesterday)


But i need to know if anybody started off in a hallway.

[Lekkit]

This night or as spawning position?

[Ozle]

This night or as spawning position?

The Original spawning place.

[Lekkit]

Then I'm not the one you are looking for.

[liopoil]

I did not spawn in a hallway.