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[shraeye]

I don't know jimm or efhw or anything about thier meta, but this seems like a reasonable deduction and I'm inclined to go along MC on this:
vote:efhw

I would like to know why you said "go along with MC on this."  When jimmm was the one who made the argument initially.  So, what gives?

[spiritbears]

Well I was referring to this line from MC:

I have never seen paranoid efhw before, nor have I seen scum!efhw
vote:efhw"

[yuma]

Well, I figured talking anyway even if I'm not voting would help.  I don't like RVS because it seems like even if your vote was a joke, down the line someone will say "You voted for yuma, and he was the IC so you are scum".

Are you saying that that line of reasoning is ineffectual?  Have you ever seen it in action?

It seemed to happen a lot in my first game.  It was a newbie game, so maybe that's why.  But, yeah it is an effective means of misleading people, and I don't want people misled about me.

Poe: I agree with Jimm.

I have never seen paranoid efhw before, nor have I seen scum!efhw
vote:efhw

You have too seen EFHW as scum. We were partners in M&M. EFHW was not paranoid in that game as scum... so I think your point here is null.

[mcmcsalot]

Jimm's reasoning was efhw was trying to avoid rvs content and fly under the radar. He believes this to be scummy behavior.
My reasoning was efhw seems paranoid and doesn't want to be suspected as scum, I have never seen her this way and I think it is because she is scum.

Spirit agreed with my reasoning, spirit do you agree with Jimm's reasoning as well?(respond to his post directly please)

[mcmcsalot]

Well, I figured talking anyway even if I'm not voting would help.  I don't like RVS because it seems like even if your vote was a joke, down the line someone will say "You voted for yuma, and he was the IC so you are scum".

Are you saying that that line of reasoning is ineffectual?  Have you ever seen it in action?

It seemed to happen a lot in my first game.  It was a newbie game, so maybe that's why.  But, yeah it is an effective means of misleading people, and I don't want people misled about me.

Poe: I agree with Jimm.

I have never seen paranoid efhw before, nor have I seen scum!efhw
vote:efhw

You have too seen EFHW as scum. We were partners in M&M. EFHW was not paranoid in that game as scum... so I think your point here is null.

I shall review and respond momentarily

[yuma]

What I do find suspicious is this:

This'll be my only post of the day. Techno-free Tuesday!

When mail-mi in the last couple of weeks has been very willing to post on Tuesdays.

Ya know what, to get this started, /in! I hope to have enough access!

Although there was nothing there on the 9th

I think this will be my last RMM game, way too swingy, and hidden things like the symmetry of this game don't seem to be taken into consideration, it made setup speculation hugely way too advantageous for my liking and the fakeclaims actually detrimental.

Don't complain cuz ur team lost, Axxle! This was fun!

I'll try 

So, where's kooshie Yuma and drab?

I mean, sure techno-free Tuesday. That is cool and maybe it is a valid reason for why he won't be posting today. But it seems kinda convenient excuse for lurking throughout day1 of a blitz game and is unlikely to be lynched for it since it has been posted in the VLA thread. I won't vote on it now, but it certainly made me raise my eyebrows.

[mcmcsalot]

Okay well your right on efhw she handled rvs very well in that game. If you were not her scum partner(in m&m) I would find you suspicious for defending her. Though that taken into account with the fact that witches have day chat I would make the guess that the two of you are not a scum team.

That being said the fact that she did not defend herself reads scummy to me so my vote will stay(shes still scummiest for now) but I agree the case is much weaker than before.

[mcmcsalot]

Yuma do you think mail-mi is the type of person that would attempt to dodge d1 that way?
I know regardless of my alignment I'm going to be dying once I have to stop posting.

However I would think if he hasn't done techno-free Tuesday in the past today is a strange day to start.

[Robz888]

Okay, one of these games.

Vote: mail-mi

Obvious scum play is obvious.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't want to RVS, but if I was RVS'ing I'd vote for mcmc because that's what I always do.  I hope we're on the same team this time, for once!

Hey robz what do you think of this post?

[shraeye]

That being said the fact that she did not defend herself reads scummy to me

What? As in, the fact that EFHW didn't defend herself sometime between 11:50 when the accusation was made, and 1250 when you made this post.

that is ridiculous.

[Robz888]

I don't want to RVS, but if I was RVS'ing I'd vote for mcmc because that's what I always do.  I hope we're on the same team this time, for once!

Hey robz what do you think of this post?

I think its fine. Doesn't mean much to me.

The kind of schedule lurking that mail-mi is doing, though, is exactly the sort of thing scum is willing to do in these games. Especially since we started using the Online Users button to pinpoint scum who were following the thread but not posting.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't want to RVS, but if I was RVS'ing I'd vote for mcmc because that's what I always do.  I hope we're on the same team this time, for once!

Also aside from my incorrect paranoid!efhw = scum!efhw
And Jimm's avoiding rvs is scummy.

Analyzing that a bit more I'm not sure efhw "always rvs votes me"
In MXIX She rvs voted mail-mi and then omgused Jimm. All 3 were town
In MXX She rvs votes nobody, she was scum
In BMX She replaced in so no rvs.

Based on this avoiding rvs voting is scummy behavior of efhw also she has never rvs voted me, making up a reason to vote for someone(even without voting) is very scummy.

[mcmcsalot]

That being said the fact that she did not defend herself reads scummy to me

What? As in, the fact that EFHW didn't defend herself sometime between 11:50 when the accusation was made, and 1250 when you made this post.

that is ridiculous.

I don't find it that ridiculous it's blitz mafia and she has 3 votes on her, it only takes 5 to lynch.

[mcmcsalot]

I don't want to RVS, but if I was RVS'ing I'd vote for mcmc because that's what I always do.  I hope we're on the same team this time, for once!

Hey robz what do you think of this post?

I think its fine. Doesn't mean much to me.

The kind of schedule lurking that mail-mi is doing, though, is exactly the sort of thing scum is willing to do in these games. Especially since we started using the Online Users button to pinpoint scum who were following the thread but not posting.

I'm inclined to agree with your mail-mi comments. The fact that he explained nothing about it is scummy. However this is the same person who self hammered as town, mail-mi's carelessness should be taken into account.

[Eevee]

Hi guys!

Town read on mcmc for sure.

[Eevee]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

before reading further and seeing the plethora of votes on EHFW, I was about to point about how being worried about how you are perceived is a scum trait.

[mcmcsalot]

Okay well I'm out here for awhile, I know you disagree Yuma but I'm leaving my vote on my scum read.

Scum: efhw
Slight scum: shraeye
Null: eevee, mail-mi
Slight town: robz
Town: Yuma, Jimm

Shraeye and robz are hit reads off minimal contributions very likely to change the others are developed from some decent interactions and research.

[shraeye]

Shraeye and robz are hit reads off minimal contributions

Seems as how you're already engaging with me and answering my posts elsewhere, this is silliness.

Additionally, your analysis that EFHW "lied" about always RVSing you is pointless.  If it is unusual and therefore a scum-trait, what does that say about you?  If EFHW really were trying to "make up a reason", why make it up in regards to mcmcsalot?

Analyzing that a bit more I'm not sure efhw "always rvs votes me"
In MXIX She rvs voted mail-mi and then omgused Jimm. All 3 were town
In MXX She rvs votes nobody, she was scum
In BMX She replaced in so no rvs.

Based on this avoiding rvs voting is scummy behavior of efhw also she has never rvs voted me, making up a reason to vote for someone(even without voting) is very scummy.
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This feels a whole lot like trying to pin somebody as scummy just because they said something unusual.  Nothing EFHW has done yet has stuck me as odd, but you seem to be trying awful hard to build theories to fit your suspicions instead of working the other way around.

[yuma]

Yuma do you think mail-mi is the type of person that would attempt to dodge d1 that way?
I know regardless of my alignment I'm going to be dying once I have to stop posting.

However I would think if he hasn't done techno-free Tuesday in the past today is a strange day to start.

I don't know. I think it is very possible.

I have used similar tactics in the past as scum before. If you want to look at a really bad example from me... I used my grandmother's funeral as an excuse to stay away from the thread as scum. That is pretty low. (I didn't lie about my grandmother's funeral, but over those few days I did have opportunities to get online, and would have if I were town, but because of my VLA I decided to stay out of sight/out of mind) And it worked!

[shraeye]

Repost to fix quoting issues.

Shraeye and robz are hit reads off minimal contributions

Seems as how you're already engaging with me and answering my posts elsewhere, this is silliness.

Additionally, your analysis that EFHW "lied" about always RVSing you is pointless.  If it is unusual and therefore a scum-trait, what does that say about you?  If EFHW really were trying to "make up a reason", why make it up in regards to mcmcsalot?

Analyzing that a bit more I'm not sure efhw "always rvs votes me"
In MXIX She rvs voted mail-mi and then omgused Jimm. All 3 were town
In MXX She rvs votes nobody, she was scum
In BMX She replaced in so no rvs.

Based on this avoiding rvs voting is scummy behavior of efhw also she has never rvs voted me, making up a reason to vote for someone(even without voting) is very scummy.

This feels a whole lot like trying to pin somebody as scummy just because they said something unusual.  Nothing EFHW has done yet has stuck me as odd, but you seem to be trying awful hard to build theories to fit your suspicions instead of working the other way around.

[yuma]

That being said the fact that she did not defend herself reads scummy to me

What? As in, the fact that EFHW didn't defend herself sometime between 11:50 when the accusation was made, and 1250 when you made this post.

that is ridiculous.

I agree this is ridiculous. This is blitz, but we aren't expected.. and certainly won't be glued to our computers for the whole of it. I know I won't be, and I know you won't be.

Hey guys, let's get three votes on mcmc now that he is leaving! We can wait an hour and once he doesn't respond to our case we can say "THAT IS SO SCUMMY!!!!"

vote: mcmc

[yuma]

i don't think the thing about mail-mi is scummy at allll.

before reading further and seeing the plethora of votes on EHFW, I was about to point about how being worried about how you are perceived is a scum trait.

I actually feel like this is false... or rather this is an argument that I use when I am scum trying to get someone mislynched. As town I am very, very aware of how I am perceived because I don't want to be a mislynch and cause harm to town. I am more likely to do crazier things, say what I think and be a little less careful. But I am worried about how others perceive me as town.

PS: Who is this in response to? I am not sure who is worried about how they look in the context of your post...

[yuma]

Scum: efhw
Slight scum: shraeye
Null: eevee, mail-mi
Slight town: robz
Town: Yuma, Jimm

no spiritbears.

[Eevee]

EHFW was, in my opinion, in his RVS-ponderings.

I guess we are different. For me it's certainly helluvalot more pressure to play scum, as town I feel I can just respond to whatever case is thrown at me ans hopefully make enough sense for smart people to see whats what.