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[ashersky]

Caught up here.  I believe Dsell looks like framed town, not scum.  This just isn't scum!Dsell, in my opinion.

Cuzz is looking super scummy at this point, with his impassionated defense of St. Eevee, his direct sheep case/vote on Dsell, and especially his last post.

The "this desperation looks so scummy" argument is never going to sway me.  I think it's an easy non-case to use against people.  Dsell is giving some theory as to why a town!Eevee could possibly have come up with this result, which is better than I'd be doing, honestly. 

I think if people want to figure this out, they should start with stomething like:

"Dsell, why didn't you shoot last night?"

Instead of just blinding believing the most overpowered role in the history of all mafia games, the bulletproof-lynchproof-investigationproof-day-and-night-tracking-watching-copping-gunsmith-lightningrod-PGO-cult leader, Eevee.

My vote stays, or could move to Cuzz if needed.

[mcmcsalot]

okay i like ash's line of thinking, dsell why didn't you shoot last night and who would you plan on shooting tonight?

[Dsell]

I didn't shoot last night because I thought my chances of hitting scum were not great. I generally don't like vigilantes shooting night 1 because there is so little to go off of. I did not give day 1 tons and tons of attention, so I didn't feel my reads were well-formed enough. What reads I did have changed somewhat when Robz flipped scum. Plus, I didn't feel it was likely that I'd die night 1 and I do not have an unlimited number of shots. However, even if those last points weren't true, I probably still wouldn't have shot. Vigilantes tend to do more harm then good when shooting night 1.

[ashersky]

I didn't shoot last night because I thought my chances of hitting scum were not great. I generally don't like vigilantes shooting night 1 because there is so little to go off of. I did not give day 1 tons and tons of attention, so I didn't feel my reads were well-formed enough. What reads I did have changed somewhat when Robz flipped scum. Plus, I didn't feel it was likely that I'd die night 1 and I do not have an unlimited number of shots. However, even if those last points weren't true, I probably still wouldn't have shot. Vigilantes tend to do more harm then good when shooting night 1.

Huh?

[Dsell]

Oops, I mean town of course.

[ashersky]

Oops, I mean town of course.

Good thing Munch isn't in this game.  You'd be called out for your "scum slip!"

[Dsell]

On that note, it is both good and bad for me that I was not online at the end of the day yesterday. I did not see Robz' claim before the end of the day. That is good because I almost surely would have counterclaimed, which would have been messy to say the least, and would have either resulted in town v town feuding between us, or would have caused him to change his claim, which would not reduce his chances of being lynched...to say the least. But it's also bad for me because now I have nothing to go back and point to to say "seeee!"

[Insomniac]

Total Post Count for all living players Including this post, excluding pre game.

Eevee - 83
mcmcsalot - 67
Shraeye - 35
Archetype - 13
Qvist - 22
Yuma - 11
Insomniac - 71
Dsell - 39
Ashersky - 91
Cuzz - 27

Total Average: 45.9

Day 2 Post Counts
Eevee - 21
mcmcsalot - 9
Shraeye - 4
Archetype - 6
Qvist - 6
Yuma - 6
Insomniac - 18
Dsell - 18
Ashersky - 11
Cuzz - 6

Average: 10.5



Note this was the final day 1 post count for the still living players
Eevee - 62
mcmcsalot - 58
Shraeye - 31
Archetype - 7
Qvist - 16
Yuma - 5
Insomniac - 53
Dsell - 21
Ashersky - 80
Cuzz - 21

Average: 35.4


Overall Under Average Posters: Shraeye, Archetype, Qvist, Yuma, Dsell, Cuzz
Day 1 Under Average Posters: Archetype, Qvist, Yuma, Dsell, Cuzz.       ON THE LINE: Shraeye
Day 2 Under Average Posters: Shraeye, Archetype, Qvist, Yuma, Cuzz.  ON THE LINE: mcmcsalot, ashersky

PPE: 4 so the last 2 dsell and ash are not reflected

[mcmcsalot]

On that note, it is both good and bad for me that I was not online at the end of the day yesterday. I did not see Robz' claim before the end of the day. That is good because I almost surely would have counterclaimed, which would have been messy to say the least, and would have either resulted in town v town feuding between us, or would have caused him to change his claim, which would not reduce his chances of being lynched...to say the least. But it's also bad for me because now I have nothing to go back and point to to say "seeee!"

the only person you not being there helped, is you. It did not hurt you because you if you are town simply claiming today is the same thing, if your scum you wouldn't have counterclaimed anyway.

[ashersky]

Day 2 Under Average Posters: Shraeye, Archetype, Qvist, Yuma, Cuzz.  ON THE LINE: mcmcsalot, ashersky

This is lame, given I'm leading all posters overall.  I'm top poster is both big games right now, actually, and from Australia!

[ashersky]

I think Archetype and Qvist need to chat it up a bit more.

I feel like Qvist has taken his "clearing" by Eevee too much to heart.  I still suspect Eevee heavily, given his insane claim, which affects how I see Qvist.

Arch is just straight underposting.  I know, I know...Arch does that yadda yadda.  Still.  Come on.

[Insomniac]

Day 2 Under Average Posters: Shraeye, Archetype, Qvist, Yuma, Cuzz.  ON THE LINE: mcmcsalot, ashersky

This is lame, given I'm leading all posters overall.  I'm top poster is both big games right now, actually, and from Australia!

Yes and you'll note that is true and you are not listed in day 1 or overall. you are however on the line for today or at least you were when I started the post count. I'm more interested in the intersection of all 3 with the intersection of the off wagon voters which is

INTERSECTION DAY1/2/TOTAL UNDER AVERAGE POSTERS: Shraeye, Archetype

And hey both of those players are in my off wagon analysis.

Vote: Archetype since his posts have had far less content then shraeye's

[mcmcsalot]

vote:archetype very willing to do this.

[Insomniac]

An aside, I miss the CF days when he'd do all the post count work for everyone

[Archetype]

Gosh, I don't know who to believe.

Eevee isn't this messy as scum, but so many things that he says just don't make any sense.

Dsell's defense sounds very sincere and I think he could possibly be framed.

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

mcmc and Cuzz are kind of coming up scummy here, just jumping on the nearest wagon.

[Cuzz]

Arch does look kinda scummy with this response. The quick pop-in after being called out for lurking is the exact thing I got rightly suspected of D1 of the draft game.

Also, how on earth is Dsell IC even if Eevee is scum?

[Archetype]

Arch does look kinda scummy with this response. The quick pop-in after being called out for lurking is the exact thing I got rightly suspected of D1 of the draft game.

Also, how on earth is Dsell IC even if Eevee is scum?

Well, ok. I shouldn't say IC, he could still be a SK.

Dsell is just very unlikely to be on the same scumteam as Eevee if Eevee is scum.

[Archetype]

Arch does look kinda scummy with this response. The quick pop-in after being called out for lurking is the exact thing I got rightly suspected of D1 of the draft game.

Well you were Mafia. So.

I seriously was considering switching out. I even did it because I was just so far behind in the game. I wish I could have posted more yesterday to offer up my ideas, but I didn't and it's too late now. I'm trying my best to participate, and that's by heavily analyzing everyone's actions.

You guys can go ahead and lynch me, but it'll just dig Town and even deeper hole, for a number of reasons.

[yuma]

Cuzz is looking super scummy at this point, with his impassionated defense of St. Eevee, his direct sheep case/vote on Dsell, and especially his last post.

I agree vote: Cuzz

[Dsell]

I agree with yuma and ashersky that Cuzz looks scummy. Archetype also did hop in here real quick after being called out, and despite saying that he wasn't caught up he gave his opinion on current events.

[ashersky]

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

If folks are going to believe Eevee, well your bolded sentence is out the window.  If Eevee's truthful, it's also possible there's a ninja-strongman-bulletproof-untrackable X-shot doctor in the game.

[Dsell]

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

If folks are going to believe Eevee, well your bolded sentence is out the window.  If Eevee's truthful, it's also possible there's a ninja-strongman-bulletproof-untrackable X-shot doctor in the game.

eHalcyon would point out, were he not mod, that this is Role Madness. Not to say that I am convinced Eevee's claim is true, just that "hmm this role seems unlikely" is not in itself a good enough reason for me to have a real big issue with him.

[Archetype]

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

If folks are going to believe Eevee, well your bolded sentence is out the window.  If Eevee's truthful, it's also possible there's a ninja-strongman-bulletproof-untrackable X-shot doctor in the game.

That's why I'm wondering if...

A. The lynch isn't getting off because Eevee is really Town we are the only ones who really disagree with that

B. The lynch isn't getting off because Eevee is scum and scum buddies are diverting

I really hope its the the former, and I'm just being ridiculous. But if it's the latter, it's going to be incredibly difficult to get Eevee lynched.

[Cuzz]

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

If folks are going to believe Eevee, well your bolded sentence is out the window.  If Eevee's truthful, it's also possible there's a ninja-strongman-bulletproof-untrackable X-shot doctor in the game.

Ash, sarcasm aside, your case on Eevee is awful. All you're saying is that he must be lying about his powers. So far, he has claimed one-shot daycop, and something that seems similar to gunsmith, which could be one shot too for all we know. Are you really trying to argue that someone having those two actions as part of their role is unfathomable in a ROLE MADNESS GAME?

PPE: dsell makes the same point essentially.

[ashersky]

I think we should lynch Eevee. If he turns up town, we have 1 IC (Qvist) and 1 maybe scum (Dsell). If he turns up scum, we have 1 maybe scum (Qvist) and 1 IC (Dsell). The problem is, with the high possibly of their not being 2 Doctors, it's going to be very hard to keep ICs alive, so I don't know.

If folks are going to believe Eevee, well your bolded sentence is out the window.  If Eevee's truthful, it's also possible there's a ninja-strongman-bulletproof-untrackable X-shot doctor in the game.

Ash, sarcasm aside, your case on Eevee is awful. All you're saying is that he must be lying about his powers. So far, he has claimed one-shot daycop, and something that seems similar to gunsmith, which could be one shot too for all we know. Are you really trying to argue that someone having those two actions as part of their role is unfathomable in a ROLE MADNESS GAME?

PPE: dsell makes the same point essentially.

Are we ignoring that Eevee explicitly claimed multiple night actions, and has so far only explained the one, and is driving the lynch based on that?  What's the other info?  What's to say we should believe him?

Role madness =/= Bastard. 

I wish I was scum in this game if it's this easy to pull off crazy gambit fake claim stuff.  I'd be cooking something insane and wild up right now.