Who's up next? Cayvie!
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Cayvie: Posts 25 game posts
--- I get the reverse of Eevee here. Cayvie actually has more posts than I recall on my first read through of the thread.
Her first post, #147, is quite a ways in! The game had been launched for more than 24 hours, and the "To restart or not" debate was currently happening - well past the point of theory/vig/etc talk. Her point in this post about not caring about restarting then shouldn't come as a surprise - She hadn't actually done anything to date! This is very much a non-issue, as to claim that it is either scummy OR townie is to make a claim against RL, and has no merit on her alignment this game. This is doubly true because the 2nd (the day the game began) was a Sunday, and she's usually V/LA on weekends.
#152/#158 are fluff posts. (She votes for the mod, and acknowledges Volt's statement that the game isn't broken). #164 is her first "real" post, even if it's only 1 sentence long. Here, she claims her read on Robz is town, but has no reads on anybody else. --Cayvie, explain in more detail? Was it because of the Vig debate, or was it something else? You had no interactions with him or anybody else up to that point.--
#169 is pretty much a fluff post - just a short comment on the uselessness of trying to figure out the setup mistake. #173 also falls under fluff, although it was a ever-so-slight rebuttal to Frisk's claim that I had been the only player to hit scum with a Vig shot.
#178 - Ahh, finally we get something worth looking at from Cayvie. She votes here for Eevee for trying to expose the Doctor. This is interesting to me, because I'll fully admit that I do SEE where she's coming from... but when I first replaced in and was reading the thread sequentially, I read Eevee's post and thought nothing of it. To point, I really have a hard time seeing Scum!Eevee fishing in such a... hidden manner. That is, I don't think that many other players besides Cayvie read Eevee's post to be what Cayvie claimed it was. Now, like I said, I do understand what Cayvie is saying here, and if Eevee is scum, I think that a more direct purpose to his post was not to publicly out the Doctor, but to try and get said Doctor to do the obvious choice tonight, and Doctor Raerae, thus allowing scum to kill elsewhere.
However, this is not a post on Eevee, but a post on Cayvie - so my thoughts as they relate to Cayvie in #178 are a bit mixed. If Cayvie is scum, he brought a conversation (Doctor) to the attention of the thread, increasing the likelihood that if the Doctor is out there, they'll let something slip. Had she said nothing, that comment by Eevee looked like it was going to slide by unnoticed - a perfect opportunity for scum to pin the PR hunting on somebody else. Thus on the flip side, if Cayvie is town, she brought a conversation (Doctor) to the attention of the thread, increasing the likelihood that if the Doctor is out there, they'll let something slip. (see what I did there?) In this case, while I understand the intent of Town!Cayvie to protect a possible Doctor, I don't think it was good play on her part to say something. Overall then, this gives me a very slight scum read on Cayvie. It's not at all outside the realm of possibility that either Scum!Cayvie or Town!Cayvie would make that post, but I just think it slightly, slightly more likely for Scum!Cayvie would do so.
#181, #183 & #186 are all posts expounding upon the issue I discussed above. They explain why Cayvie thought what she did about Eevee's post, and lament the fact that her saying anything at all caused the exact issue she was trying to avoid. Like I said, I can see this *nearly* equally from both Town!Cayvie, and Scum!Cayvie, but lean just slightly to scum.
I DO like Cayvie's post #188, but only because it calls out Eevee on his "Who, little 'ol me? /innocentface" post, which I find to be one of Eevee's more scummy posts. This gives a LITTLE bit of a town read to Cayvie, although if Eevee is town, it is a VERY easy post for scum to comment on for easy town points. Still, Cayvie didn't attack the post, but just gave a "Oh don't you even try that" response - which is more in line with Town!Cayvie than Scum!Cayvie, I think.
#190 is an answer to an interesting question by Axxle - "If you noticed this Doctor-Hunting by Eevee - and felt it needed to be called out - why didn't you notice Robz mentioning Doctor AND Cop twice in a previous post?". I didn't feel Cayvie gave a particularly great response here. "I just didn't notice it" really doesn't fly with me - however, it's the sort of oversight PROBABLY made more often by town than by scum, UNLESS scum intentionally ignored a post by their teammate. Here, I'll briefly refer back to Cayvie's post #164, where she calls Robz a town read. It's not exactly a STRONG connection between the two, but it is in my opinion, worth noting. If Robz or Cayvie dies at some point in the future, and either flip scum, I would refer back to this. That's a long way off however, and for now I'm content giving Cayvie a little bit of a town read for this oversight.
#197 is a bit of a fluff post. It reads a *little* bit like "Look how helpful I'll try to be! Isn't that townie of me?" - but really, that's a stretch of an interpretation, and I fully admit it. When I do rereads, I tend to do so with a "Is this something Scum!X would do", so I'm more likely to see simple things as scum conspiracies. That's not to completely disregard my reads on things like this, but I do take them (even from myself) with a grain of salt. This post could very easily just be fluff.
#200 offers post-counts, always fun. Not townie or scummy in the least. Moving on.
#247 speaks to something I thought when I read the post Jimmmmm made about Robz=SK - Oooh, I'm gonna like playing with him. That's a good theory. Other than striking a nice chord with me, pretty fluffy post.
#250 bothers me a little bit, but more from a player perspective - I never forget who I'm voting for when I'm town, or scum. If I'm scum, I'm constantly aware of my image - and that shines no brighter than where I place my vote. As town, I don't vote unless I see a reason to, and if I see a reason to, I'm not going to casually forget. My vote is my voice, and I treat it as the final word. All these posts mean nothing if I don't take my vote seriously. Some players use their vote more of a scum hunting tool - because scum hate having votes cast on them - but even for those people I fully expect them to remember what they're doing and where their vote is. "Not recalling" is a simple way of abdicating responsibility, and I don't like it. Still, this is as I said a playstyle issue, not a scummy vs townie issue. So meh.
In #276 Cayvie puts down her thoughts on a soft-deadline - agreeing that it's a good thing. I personally agree, and would expect most town to agree and most scum to disagree - and with that said, people's feeling on the issue are no longer relevant to alignment in my mind, because it's a pretty obvious thing to say, and it's something VERY easy for scum to score "easy townpoints" on - and honestly, even a single town member thinking it's a bad idea can wrench up the whole thing. So scum say it's good, town says it's bad, town says it's good, scum say it's bad - not relevant to any arguments.
#277 and #284 are fluff posts. #302 is fluff.
#311 asks Jimmmmm where he gets that Cayvie is "buddying up" to Robz - Well, it's not strong, but as I've noted above, this "buddying up" does in fact exist. It's not something I would build a case around, but it IS something that I'm aware of.
#329 - This is a big post for me in my reread of Cayvie. It's the 4th vote cast on Lekkit (would've been 5th, but Theorel had recently unvoted). It's really not offered with much of an explanation other than the joke about "Vote: Lurkit" - Yes, we get it, Lekkit was lurking. And I'm not at all opposed to pressure, even for no other reason than to put on pressure and get a response. I'm also not going to analyze a Lekkit's wagon without a flip - but the lack of reasoning on this vote bothers me in much the same way that Eevee's vote #3 on Lekkit did - It's a growing wagon, with (in Cayvie's case) the IC voting for it 15 minutes prior to when Cayvie did. It looked good, and was excusable because hey, the IC thought so! ..... Scum points for Cayvie here. Not a ton because this seems to be a problem that's common lately. "Let's just vote and not explain why! Yaaaay!" .... But it's play that I really don't like. If you're town, in WHAT way is your "ambiguity" in your votes pro-town? What does it give your fellow town players to analyze about YOU? How is blindly voting at ALL beneficial?
Bah.
#330 was a fluff post.
#345 and #365 at least go on a LITTLE bit to give an explanation to Cayvie's vote (something I didn't feel Eevee ever did, which is why I think Eevee gets a slightly higher scumscore from me on this issue). In #345 Cayvie simply points out that if a player's entire meta is "lurk" as town, that it shouldn't be that hard to match that meta as scum. -- While I agree 100% with this, the question I have is.... Do you then see his "lurking" as more or less likely to result in him being town if that's how he always plays town? Your vote on him suggests that you think his lurking -THIS GAME- is more egregious and more likely to be scum-driven than his lurking in previous games where he was town. As for #365, Cayvie says the IC should expect to be sheeped... ehh... I don't know. It reads as *slightly* scummy to me, but at the same time I don't entirely disagree. I doubt that I would ever cast my vote on somebody with the sole reason that "Well, my IC did", but Cayvie does make a correct point in that at least we know Raerae won't be trying to mislead us. Eh, probably neutral overall on that statement. It rubs me wrong, but I couldn't exactly put my finger on it, so won't make what could be a false accusation over it.
#386 --- Holy crap! A post from Cayvie that is MORE than 3 lines long! There's only been ONE of these so far, and it was 5 lines! .... Ok, maybe the sarcasm isn't called for. I know Cayvie's style isn't mega posting, and she often jots down quick ideas and posts them. Still, this post gave me an "OMG wow" reaction. +town points for Cayvie. If she's scum, she could've stuck to her normal style of posting, but she put in a little more effort.
As to the post itself:
"Robz - all over the place. trying to pick little fights with people (theorel re: vig analysis), complaining mildly about the Robz Voting Stage, etc. Reads like normal Robz to me, so probably a power role." This really, really, REALLY bothers me. Look, if you want to call him town, go right ahead, but dear lord... what the heck are you doing calling him out as a "likely PR?" - I know you were probably just making a joke that "Robz is *always* a PR, so "Robz as usual" must mean he's a PR", but c'mon - if you're town you don't go around saying things like that! Sheesh! ((Note, this could be an elaborate ploy by Scum!Cayvie, she's certainly cunning enough, but if she honestly felt the above statement to be true, she could've just not said anything and brought it up in the scum QT at night))
I've already pointed out the fallacy with her comment on me regarding the "suspicion on Watno" when I replaced in.
However, across the board I'm at least happy to see reads on each of the players, and something to refer back to when she or anybody else in the future flips their alignment. Her list was a little bit more than a simple scum-ordering, which is easy for scum to manipulate. She gave actual reads, and that is at the very least pro-town.
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And that's it!
Summary:
-- Very, very tough to read. She has a LOT less things that strike me as scummy than Eevee does, so her overall scum score is probably lower. She has a solid mix of "slightly townie" posts, and "slightly scummy" posts. Her interactions with others, while often brief, interest me more than the interactions Eevee had though. If at some point in the future we learn her alignment, I think we'll learn more about other people than we would by seeing Eevee's alignment. The biggest knock that I have against Cayvie is the vote on Lekkit, but I think that's going to apply to multiple people (I already know that it does with Eevee). Cayvie is in a position that I very easily could see scum wanting to be: Not too townie that she should expect to be NK'd if town, but not too scummy to be suspected as a prime lynch candidate. That said, I don't think she's a prime lynch candidate, so eh. What did we say a neutral scum score was? 25? I'd probably place Cayvie at 27, maybe 28.
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