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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #600 on: October 22, 2012, 07:38:31 pm »

I think a general note to be cautious of claiming in this game, even at L-1 is really good, and even maybe a tacit endorsement of town PRs lying in certain cases.  Any more of a plan than that and we help scum too much.

Of course, being ok with town lying makes me super nervous.

I am not sure, if I get Chickenified, you should expect a great deal of contribution from me. If I'm a chicken at L-1, I just won't claim. I'll use my Chicken vote in a pro-town way. Other than that, I don't think it will be fun OR useful for me to try to continue being a productive town member while under those constraints.

post 419 that volt references
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #601 on: October 22, 2012, 07:39:18 pm »

Thanks Volt, here is the post for others who are interest. Bolding is mine.

I think a general note to be cautious of claiming in this game, even at L-1 is really good, and even maybe a tacit endorsement of town PRs lying in certain cases.  Any more of a plan than that and we help scum too much.

Of course, being ok with town lying makes me super nervous.

I am not sure, if I get Chickenified, you should expect a great deal of contribution from me. If I'm a chicken at L-1, I just won't claim. I'll use my Chicken vote in a pro-town way. Other than that, I don't think it will be fun OR useful for me to try to continue being a productive town member while under those constraints.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #602 on: October 22, 2012, 07:39:55 pm »

Chicken.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #603 on: October 22, 2012, 07:41:48 pm »

eevee... funny how we both quoted it and bolded different parts from it
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #604 on: October 22, 2012, 07:42:36 pm »

Hey jerks - quit prodding.  Post coming later after work is done and the boy is asleep.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #605 on: October 22, 2012, 07:44:26 pm »

Chicken chicken chicken chicken.

Chicken Vote: yuma
Chicken Vote: Galzria
Chicken Vote: Captain_Frisk

Chicken Vote: Archetype
Chicken Vote: ashersky

Chicken Vote: Insomniac
Chicken Vote: Cuzz
Chicken Vote: shraeye

Chicken Vote: Grujah 
Chicken Vote: No Lynch

Chicken Vote: Eevee
Chicken Vote: Robz888
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #606 on: October 22, 2012, 07:46:25 pm »

Chicken chicken chicken chicken.

Chicken Vote: No Lynch

really big town vibe from volt here... he could have very easily slipped in chicken vote on jot... resulting in a lynch and claimed it was an accident tomorrow....

Good call volt and good remembering!
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #607 on: October 22, 2012, 07:50:20 pm »

Somehow Volt is an intimidating guy to disagree with, but him being wrong about me makes me feel better about disagreeing with him about Robz.

What yuma says makes sense, but could also be read as a scumslip.. only scum could KNOW joth is town, right?

I don't like the way Joth is playing at all. Can't even ask for his reasons because he is a chicken, annoying.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #608 on: October 22, 2012, 08:03:12 pm »

Chicken unvote.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #609 on: October 22, 2012, 08:08:17 pm »

Look, I less the world in being part of the lynch - and I'm certainly not infallible - but I just don't think Joth is the right way to go today. I'm willing to actively stand here and say it's a bad lynch. If I'm wrong down the line and he's lynched and flips scum, then you'll lynch me too (most likely). In that case it'd be a 1-1 town-scum trade, andI'm ok with that.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #610 on: October 22, 2012, 08:09:55 pm »

I lead* the world
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Quote from: Voltgloss
Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #611 on: October 22, 2012, 08:10:46 pm »

Did Jo refuse to claim? I don't speak chicken.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #612 on: October 22, 2012, 08:21:10 pm »

Chicken vote: Robz

Chicken chicken chicken chicken

Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken

Chicken unvote

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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #613 on: October 22, 2012, 08:25:31 pm »

Did Jo refuse to claim? I don't speak chicken.
Joth refused to claim much earlier. In the same post he said he'd use his chicken vote in a pro town manner, which I find absolutely hilarious given how we almost got lynched with his vote on himself there.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #614 on: October 22, 2012, 08:28:21 pm »

Did Jo refuse to claim? I don't speak chicken.
Joth refused to claim much earlier. In the same post he said he'd use his chicken vote in a pro town manner, which I find absolutely hilarious given how we almost got lynched with his vote on himself there.
So that means...if we lynch joth, it's pro town :P

So joth = Mafia
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #615 on: October 22, 2012, 08:32:30 pm »

Chicken vote: Robz

Chicken chicken chicken chicken

Chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken

Chicken unvote

I don't understand this. Does this mean you are willing to lynch Ins?
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #616 on: October 22, 2012, 08:33:13 pm »

Did Jo refuse to claim? I don't speak chicken.

Why not learn?
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #617 on: October 22, 2012, 08:34:52 pm »

Did Jo refuse to claim? I don't speak chicken.

Why not learn?
Or why not read the post both me and yuma quoted? Yeah.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #618 on: October 22, 2012, 08:40:46 pm »

Posts that I find suspicious from Cuzz:

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@Volt, I'd probably be just as happy with my vote on Archetype. For some reason he's seemed a bit more visible to me than ashersky, but I just rechecked Insomniac's count and he really only has one more post than ashersky.
followed by his change of mind
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Anyway, unvote. Ashersky is here and participating, and I didn't consider the opposite-hemisphere issue. If we're gonna have someone at L-2 for lurking it probably shouldn't be him right now.

Vote: jotheonah
he votes for jot... for lurking? why not have ashersky at L-2? Just because he is participating doesnt' mean anything, what is the context of his posts?
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Eevee shows up in somewhat scummy 4th place, and makes the awful "enough pressure votes" comment. Eevee has defended this as simply bad town play, but still something has seemed off to me about him this game. {snip} With the exception of Volt, I could honestly see any one of them as scum, though I think Insomniac and Eevee look worst here, followed by Robz. Based on this, and the change in attitude as well, I'll Vote: Eevee.

My vote on joth is downgraded to a FoS but I have not taken my eye off lurkers, and I do want to hear more from him (though I know he has RL reasons).
changes his vote to Eevee for the Grujah wagon

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But yeah, I'd be ok with lynching plenty of people today. Getting slightly scummy vibes from (in no particular order):

Robz (though not as strong as others seem to be; have to reread),
ashersky (though he always seems kinda like this even as town),
Insomniac (due to Grujah wagon nonsense),
Frisk (ditto), and
joth (lurking, though not sure about lynching a chicken).
Maintains that he is willing to lynch joth and continues to find him scummy

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But he never actually gets around to voting for him... I don't know about this... Does it seem scummy to not vote for someone who you had a previous scum read on him once he gets a wagon on him or does it seem town to reanalyze someone you had a scum read on once he has a wagon on him...

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I don't disagree that jo has been acting suspiciously even before the curse, but how exactly does "pressure" work against someone who can hardly talk?

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So you want to vote for jo, but don't want to encourage his lynch? And you're trying to get more content out of him despite it being really tough for him to express any content at the moment?

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I really don't understand self-votes. I can't fathom why a townie would do this, but every time I've seen it happen, it actually has turned out to be a townie.

I won't change my vote on Cuzz... yet at least, I need to think through his reaction to jot... and go back and look at eevee, archetype and grujah
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #619 on: October 22, 2012, 08:42:02 pm »

Vote Count 1.11:

Eevee (1): Cuzz
Robz888 (3): Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss
Cuzz (1): yuma
jotheonah (5): Insomniac, Robz888, Archetype, ashersky, Grujah
Grujah (1): Eevee
Not voting (1): shraeye, jotheonah

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Currently Cursed: Voltgloss, jotheonah

Curse deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)
Lynch deadline: Tuesday Oct 23, Noon PDT (3 pm forum time)


So I'm going V/LA for the evening. In the event that someone gets lynched you may read the following spoiler:


                                                                                                                       
                                                                     
                                                                                     
                                                                         
                                                                           
                                                                 
                                                                   
                                                                                         
                                                                       
Enjoy Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson's riveting performance.


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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #620 on: October 22, 2012, 09:03:17 pm »

archetype:

Not a lot to look at from early game... first posts that I think have context are:

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Did a bit of catching up, not too much for me to say except: I don't think Robz is scum.

I think scum found Robz as an easy bandwagon target and are using that to get him lynched. The same thing was going to happen to Grujah before he responded and the bandwagon got dropped.

I'm going to go back and check the people on the Grujah wagon, and those on the Robz wagon and see if I can find any similarities.

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Grujah Wagon: Voltgloss, Robz888, Eevee, Captain_Frisk

Robz Wagon: Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Voltgloss, ashersky, jotheonah

I'm going to do a: Fos: C_F

And a Vote: Voltgloss Would scum chickenize themselves to avoid suspicion? As smart as Voltgloss is, I think yes.

other posts worth pointing out:

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By 'rethinking their vote' I implied that they were positive that Robz is Mafia (or in scum's case, strong town). I didn't say that because Robz gave me a free pass, I opposed the Robz lynch before then.

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I'd be more comfortable with a Grujah lynch, but I'll Vote: Jotheonah

so all in all, not much to look at... but he has had a couple of posts that have content and analysis... I would put him in the lurker category for sure, but would be hesitant to put him in the scummy lurking category right now... I didn't like his vote on Voltgloss, and he seems very adamant about Robz being town... I don't think he is high on my could lynch list now.

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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #621 on: October 22, 2012, 09:15:12 pm »

Chicken vote: Voltgloss

Chicken chicken chicken chicken

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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #622 on: October 22, 2012, 10:29:13 pm »

Posts that I find suspicious from Cuzz:

Already referenced:

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@Volt, I'd probably be just as happy with my vote on Archetype. For some reason he's seemed a bit more visible to me than ashersky, but I just rechecked Insomniac's count and he really only has one more post than ashersky.
followed by his change of mind
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Anyway, unvote. Ashersky is here and participating, and I didn't consider the opposite-hemisphere issue. If we're gonna have someone at L-2 for lurking it probably shouldn't be him right now.

Vote: jotheonah
he votes for jot... for lurking? why not have ashersky at L-2? Just because he is participating doesnt' mean anything, what is the context of his posts?
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Eevee shows up in somewhat scummy 4th place, and makes the awful "enough pressure votes" comment. Eevee has defended this as simply bad town play, but still something has seemed off to me about him this game. {snip} With the exception of Volt, I could honestly see any one of them as scum, though I think Insomniac and Eevee look worst here, followed by Robz. Based on this, and the change in attitude as well, I'll Vote: Eevee.

My vote on joth is downgraded to a FoS but I have not taken my eye off lurkers, and I do want to hear more from him (though I know he has RL reasons).
changes his vote to Eevee for the Grujah wagon

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But yeah, I'd be ok with lynching plenty of people today. Getting slightly scummy vibes from (in no particular order):

Robz (though not as strong as others seem to be; have to reread),
ashersky (though he always seems kinda like this even as town),
Insomniac (due to Grujah wagon nonsense),
Frisk (ditto), and
joth (lurking, though not sure about lynching a chicken).
Maintains that he is willing to lynch joth and continues to find him scummy

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But he never actually gets around to voting for him... I don't know about this... Does it seem scummy to not vote for someone who you had a previous scum read on him once he gets a wagon on him or does it seem town to reanalyze someone you had a scum read on once he has a wagon on him...

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I don't disagree that jo has been acting suspiciously even before the curse, but how exactly does "pressure" work against someone who can hardly talk?

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So you want to vote for jo, but don't want to encourage his lynch? And you're trying to get more content out of him despite it being really tough for him to express any content at the moment?

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I really don't understand self-votes. I can't fathom why a townie would do this, but every time I've seen it happen, it actually has turned out to be a townie.

I won't change my vote on Cuzz... yet at least, I need to think through his reaction to jot... and go back and look at eevee, archetype and grujah

Let's defend Cuzz, because yuma likes to tunnel him! (kinda drunk, sorry)

The Archetype thing that you voted for me for in the first place, I kinda already explained. I guess I fell into Volt's "trap," in that I thought he was saying Archetype was just as scummy as ashersky, and I meant my response as kinda like "umm, ok I guess maybe?" I was just trying to be agreeable, which was stupid and lazy. But I soon corrected myself, because it's true that Archetype had been more full of content (not sure that that holds anymore though).

I unvoted ashersky because he unlurked, and I decided living on the other side of the world might reasonably explain his behavior at the time. Now I should clarify something here: we can't let scum get away with lurking, gathering votes, then unlurking, and having everyone clear them, rinse and repeat. But I think scum lurking is more of a long-term behavior, and ashersky never slipped back into lurkiness since then. Grujah in MXII lurked, came back briefly, lurked more, claimed, lurked more, etc. etc. etc. Ashersky is not cleared by any means, but not my top scumread.

The joth thing I'm torn on. Him too I wanted to give the benefit of the doubt with RL things, but he was very quiet, and then he decided he had time to mod a new game, so idk what to think about that. I just wish he wasn't cursed so I could feel better about my read on him. I can't get a read on a chicken. BTW, some of those comments you quoted me were supposed to be prodding Insomniac about his votes on joth, not actually defending joth. But you quote me saying a lot of things without commentary so I dunno if you're just trying to summarize things I've said or make an actual argument.

But I really don't like your accusation that I'm scummy for not voting for everyone I said might be scum. I listed six people. I have one vote.

We can't no-lynch though. Joth, answer this: are you sincerely voting for Voltgloss in that last post?

I'm confused because 4 chickens was supposed to introduce a "would lynch" list, no? I'm not sure what 4 chickens followed by 7 chickens is.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #623 on: October 22, 2012, 10:30:27 pm »

All right folks - commencing catchup.
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Re: Mafia XIV: The Chicken Curse of the Sea Hags (Day 1 in progress)
« Reply #624 on: October 22, 2012, 10:34:54 pm »

CHicken vote: Cuzz

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