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[TheMunch]

With that all said, I don't find the back and forth between Frisk and eHunt all that scummy. Frisk is a bit strong headed at times (See: Him tunneling me above), and once he gets something in his head he keeps pushing it. Sometimes he's right (See: BMMMMM, where his sixth sense knew I was scum and on which night to track both ftl and myself), but often he's wrong. In this case, I don't think it's a matter of being right OR wrong, it's just him not liking being told what he can or cannot do. And a threat of a policy vote is only going to push Frisk's buttons more.

Unvote.  I still think that talking the theory is a bad idea but this comment really makes me think that Frisk v. ehunt is just town on town.  I am still suspicious of anyone that does want to chat about theory out of the blue, but I could totally see how frisk is reacting to his buttons getting pushed.

[ashersky]

Caught up!

First, Frisk's vote on me for "defending my lurking":

Bull****.

Second, Frisk's vote on me for "Not dying":

Actually, I don't have a good answer for you. Ask scum. I would suspect it has to do with another ongoing game that I can't talk about though. I'm in a bit of a lull since being wiped out of M-XI.

Third, Frisk's accusation that I would've killed Robz:

Holy smokes are you tunneling Frisk. But this is ridiculous. I'm the person who, in M-II, made the call to kill Bozzball, a serial lurker who was quite honestly not even playing at that point. Why? Because as scum I'm MUCH better at applying WIFOM to "Scum Galz would've killed the strong players". Basically, if I were scum, I would be focused on the weak, quiet players, while keeping the strong talkative ones alive so that I could blend in. My meta says that I post. A lot. Do you really think scum Galz wants a crowd of quiet people around him? I would draw so much effing attention to myself it's ridiculous.

This deflection...

Because I should just ignore it instead of resounding...? Riiight.

What does this mean, Galz?  I have no clue what you're saying.

My post that you are responding to was in response to Frisk's question in #190.

[Galzria]

Caught up!

First, Frisk's vote on me for "defending my lurking":

Bull****.

Second, Frisk's vote on me for "Not dying":

Actually, I don't have a good answer for you. Ask scum. I would suspect it has to do with another ongoing game that I can't talk about though. I'm in a bit of a lull since being wiped out of M-XI.

Third, Frisk's accusation that I would've killed Robz:

Holy smokes are you tunneling Frisk. But this is ridiculous. I'm the person who, in M-II, made the call to kill Bozzball, a serial lurker who was quite honestly not even playing at that point. Why? Because as scum I'm MUCH better at applying WIFOM to "Scum Galz would've killed the strong players". Basically, if I were scum, I would be focused on the weak, quiet players, while keeping the strong talkative ones alive so that I could blend in. My meta says that I post. A lot. Do you really think scum Galz wants a crowd of quiet people around him? I would draw so much effing attention to myself it's ridiculous.

This deflection...

Because I should just ignore it instead of resounding...? Riiight.

What does this mean, Galz?  I have no clue what you're saying.

My post that you are responding to was in response to Frisk's question in #190.

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

[ashersky]

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

I had accused Frisk of deflecting suspicion toward you purposefully at the beginning of the day.  He came in very recently asking what I was talking about.  I was going to go quote, but then you responded instead.

I think he was trying to get folks' attention on others instead of himself.  I could definitely see him killing Robz, after all.

[yuma]

Sorry ehunt, your reading is off today!

Do you disagree with my assessment that the SK wants as many town PRs on as possible?

chicken.

unvote because i am being a little bit ridiculous

but

i strongly want us to not talk about this anymore.

I really don't get what you all are talking about. So you do really suggest that we all should shut up?
I don't know the game enough, it could really make sense what you are saying and Axxle agrees with you, so fine.
But, what should we do? Keep random voting? I guess, just wait until Mafia makes an error?

So I am back... hello all, especially to Qvist who I haven't yet had the opportunity to play with. To whom I say: "Hallo. Willkommen in diesem wunderbaren Spiel, dass wir nennen Mafia. Hoffe es gefällt euch so viel wie wir es tun! Sind Sie mafia? Haben Sie zu töten Robz?" - partially from my 8th grade German class and google translate.

Wow, Google Translate is horrible. I know it, but I'm again and again surprised by it. But, no I haven't killed Robz, have you?
Vote: yuma for hiding his accusation in German.

I think part of it is that I was trying my hardest to use what German I can remember--obviously not very much--and then trying to use Google translate to fill in the rest.

No I didn't kill Robz. And I can't remember the last time I killed Robz... O yes I do. It was ZM2 but that was a lynch kill.

[yuma]

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

I had accused Frisk of deflecting suspicion toward you purposefully at the beginning of the day.  He came in very recently asking what I was talking about.  I was going to go quote, but then you responded instead.

I think he was trying to get folks' attention on others instead of himself.  I could definitely see him killing Robz, after all.

I think anyone that has payed any attention to mafia at all knows that 1. Robz is a great player and solid asset to town and 2. gets higher than his fair share of power roles and uses them effectively. To say that anyone is more or less likely to have killed Robz at night 0... makes me want to vote for you

vote: ashersky

[Captain_Frisk]

Pretty defensive galz.  Some of my case is obvRVS.  I have agreed to shut up on theory, and look forward to discussing after.  I truly don't believe at there is optimal mafia strategy here.

[ehunt]

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

I had accused Frisk of deflecting suspicion toward you purposefully at the beginning of the day.  He came in very recently asking what I was talking about.  I was going to go quote, but then you responded instead.

I think he was trying to get folks' attention on others instead of himself.  I could definitely see him killing Robz, after all.

I think anyone that has payed any attention to mafia at all knows that 1. Robz is a great player and solid asset to town and 2. gets higher than his fair share of power roles and uses them effectively. To say that anyone is more or less likely to have killed Robz at night 0... makes me want to vote for you

vote: ashersky

sidenote: there was something gross in my frosted flakes while I was typing this, so if I'm dead tomorrow that's why (they were Aldi's brand of frosted flakes).

Separately, I completely disagree with Yuma here. It's absolutely the case that some people are more likely to kill Robz than others. And to boot if you are the type to be less likely to kill him there is WIFOM to be gained from killing him. I doubt the speculation is going to lead somewhere, but it's completely worth speculating on.

FWIW I don't think Frisk would have killed Robz, which is the opposite of what ashersky says.

[Grujah]

System crashed. Will take time to get it up running again.

[Captain_Frisk]

I thought you were accusing me of deflecting suspicion, which I found ridiculous since my choices were A) ignore everything Frisk has said, or B) defend myself as best I'm able.

If you're saying that Frisk's vote on me is deflection from himself? I disagree. I mean, it IS, but it's not like he hasn't been voting me since RVS. He's not deflecting to a NEW target, he's just coming back to things he's already said.

I had accused Frisk of deflecting suspicion toward you purposefully at the beginning of the day.  He came in very recently asking what I was talking about.  I was going to go quote, but then you responded instead.

I think he was trying to get folks' attention on others instead of himself.  I could definitely see him killing Robz, after all.

I think anyone that has payed any attention to mafia at all knows that 1. Robz is a great player and solid asset to town and 2. gets higher than his fair share of power roles and uses them effectively. To say that anyone is more or less likely to have killed Robz at night 0... makes me want to vote for you

vote: ashersky

sidenote: there was something gross in my frosted flakes while I was typing this, so if I'm dead tomorrow that's why (they were Aldi's brand of frosted flakes).

Separately, I completely disagree with Yuma here. It's absolutely the case that some people are more likely to kill Robz than others. And to boot if you are the type to be less likely to kill him there is WIFOM to be gained from killing him. I doubt the speculation is going to lead somewhere, but it's completely worth speculating on.

FWIW I don't think Frisk would have killed Robz, which is the opposite of what ashersky says.

I would have killed galz.

[TheMunch]

I would have killed galz.

I too would have killed galz as scum.  That man is a ninja scumhunter.

[jotheonah]

I DEFINITELY would have killed Galz, given recent events and his propensity for always catching me more or less instantly as scum. (Ok, two times doesn't make a pattern, but when I'm scum, Galzria terrifies me.)

[Captain_Frisk]

So the munch, why are you voting me instead of Galz?

[Galzria]

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

[Captain_Frisk]

I'm open to more compelling cases. 

[TheMunch]

So the munch, why are you voting me instead of Galz?

I'm not voting for you.  I unvoted at the top of this page.  Almost makes me want to put my vote back.  I'm going to guess CF is SK.

[ehunt]

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

Translation: "I am annoyed that Frisk, on the basis of nothing, has successfully guessed that I am mafia."

vote: Galzria

[jotheonah]

So the munch, why are you voting me instead of Galz?

I'm not voting for you.  I unvoted at the top of this page.  Almost makes me want to put my vote back.  I'm going to guess CF is SK.

Based on what, exactly?

[jotheonah]

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

Translation: "I am annoyed that Frisk, on the basis of nothing, has successfully guessed that I am mafia."

vote: Galzria

This. Vote: Galzria

[Galzria]

For being RVS Frisk, you sure are pushing this hard. I'm starting to think you are scum deflecting like mad after all with a crap case.

Tell me, since you seem to know so much about whom killed whom, when you killed Robz last night, was it with the plan of coming after me today? "Let's NK one, then claim we would've NK'd the other!" Seriously, back the eff off and stop tunneling so hard.

Translation: "I am annoyed that Frisk, on the basis of nothing, has successfully guessed that I am mafia."

vote: Galzria

Translation: "I'm a little sheep who can't think of ANY OTHER reason Galz might be pissed at someone tunneling"

[jotheonah]

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

[ehunt]

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

[jotheonah]

Actually, unvote. Pissy Galzria is usually town; friendly Galzria is usually scum.

I've actually never played with with scumGalz. Before this game, I mean.

He is a silver-tongued devil.

[Captain_Frisk]

Is this our first game with night start?

[Axxle]

BMI had a night start