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[Sakon and Ukon]

Hi jo!

[Sakon and Ukon]

Hi jo!

Nah, never mind, that's wrong.

[Harvey Dent]

Hi jo!

Nah, never mind, that's wrong.

vote: sakon for trying to figure out secret identities, see.  Too much like that winged menace!

[Sakon and Ukon]

We're seriously at L-1 already! Geez, this is the closest we've ever been to lynching during RVS. Which I suppose is a lot like a random lynch, which has occasionally proven effective.

So the question is, as it often is, are scum so bold as to push that wagon.

FOS: Tyler Durden for pushing an RVS wagon to L-1. Zaphod and S/U don't look great either.

So we,  as in S/U,  don't look so good for having cast the first vote for a perfectly legitimate reason?

Explain.

[Dr Jekyll]

Can we please get an updated votecount?

[Grujah]

Vote Count:

Aggron Stonebraker(1): Zaphod Beeblebrox
Doduo(1): Dr Jekyll
Harvey Dent(2):Doduo, Tyler Durden
Dr Jekyll(1): Professor Quirell
Smeagol(1): Sakon and Ukon
Sakon and Ukon(1): Harvey Dent

Not Voting (2): Aggron Stonebreaker ,  Smeagol

Takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: Monday, Noon PDT, 3pm forum time.

[Smeagol]

We are not voting for anyone.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

We are not voting for anyone.

The babelfish tells me that in English this would be:

Post 224 makes the vote count in 230 wrong.

The bablefish finds the original boldface difficult to pronounce.

[Grujah]

Fixd.

[Tyler Durden]

While I found Smeagol keeping a "short list" and putting people on it publicly scummy, the fear of "5 to lynch" and the vote count difficult to count up made me hesitate, and that got me to thinking.  The hydra mechanic creates a interesting predicament, while there are 9 "players" there are actually 18 people playing.  This means that in order to lynch, all that needs to happen is for a subset of 5 out of 18 to agree (not 2 from the same head in this scenario, obviously).

So wagons may have a tendency to grow really really fast in this game.  Normally most of us find it very natural to plunk votes down on whoever is looking the scummiest at the moment, but it is maybe a good idea to talk things over with your other head to see if they confirm your read or not.  Other than in the head QTs, we could do this by using FoS as an indication that one of the pair wants to vote for a person, and the other could then follow up with an actual vote if they agree.

At the very least, we should strive to make votes more thoughtful, and promote an atmosphere where discussion is our main tool, and we use votes at the end.  At least instead of doing the f.DS standard of ignoring any case that is made without an accompanying vote.

[Smeagol]

Smeagol keeping a "short list"

8 people is a pretty short list right?

You bring up a good point though about votes getting thrown around.

[Sakon and Ukon]

Vote Count:

Aggron Stonebraker(1): Zaphod Beeblebrox
Doduo(1): Dr Jekyll
Harvey Dent(2):Doduo, Tyler Durden
Dr Jekyll(1): Professor Quirell
Smeagol(1): Sakon and Ukon
Sakon and Ukon(1): Harvey Dent

Not Voting (2): Aggron Stonebreaker ,  Smeagol

Takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: Monday, Noon PDT, 3pm forum time.

That is a confusing vote count. Typically the parenthetical number indicates the number of votes standing on the preceding name and the names following the colon are the those who cast the votes.

[Sakon and Ukon]

Upon further review it appears that most of the vote count is correct and I am certain the Sakon and Ukon and Harvey Dent names have been incorrectly reversed.

[Sakon and Ukon]

What

We're voting for Smeagol, last I checked.

[Grujah]

Thats how it is.

Votee(#): Voters1, Voter2.

You are voting from Smeagol, hence:
Smeagol (1): Sakon and UKon

Harvey is voting you, hence
Sakon and Ukon(1): Harvey.

I'll recheck for errors.

Recheck, all seems fine.

[Sakon and Ukon]

My apologies, this hydra business confuses me; thanks for rechecking.

[Dr Jekyll]

Mr. Durden, does the player who put Mr. Dent to L-1 at #200 agree with your thoughts as set forth in #234?

[Tyler Durden]

Yes, we are in agreement on the posts we make.  It's a bad idea to post first, and then argue with your other head.  This gives scum the chance to say any "contradictions" were just a disagreement between heads.  So our heads are in agreement on the L-1 vote of a lurker and in agreement over the thoughts regarding how fast a lynch can form.  There is no cognitive dissonance, our experience with the Harvey Dent vote and the thoughts on Smeagol culminated in the realization of the tendencies of hydra votes.

[Sakon and Ukon]

Yes, we are in agreement on the posts we make.  It's a bad idea to post first, and then argue with your other head.  This gives scum the chance to say any "contradictions" were just a disagreement between heads.  So our heads are in agreement on the L-1 vote of a lurker and in agreement over the thoughts regarding how fast a lynch can form.  There is no cognitive dissonance, our experience with the Harvey Dent vote and the thoughts on Smeagol culminated in the realization of the tendencies of hydra votes.

vote: Tyler Durden

Being worried about presenting an appearance of consistency is a scum trait.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Yes, we are in agreement on the posts we make.  It's a bad idea to post first, and then argue with your other head.  This gives scum the chance to say any "contradictions" were just a disagreement between heads.  So our heads are in agreement on the L-1 vote of a lurker and in agreement over the thoughts regarding how fast a lynch can form.  There is no cognitive dissonance, our experience with the Harvey Dent vote and the thoughts on Smeagol culminated in the realization of the tendencies of hydra votes.

Huh?

Vote: Tyler Durden

Deliberately creating need of the babelfish to translate from your native language to your native language is an anti-town trait.

[Harvey Dent]

Yes, we are in agreement on the posts we make.  It's a bad idea to post first, and then argue with your other head.  This gives scum the chance to say any "contradictions" were just a disagreement between heads.  So our heads are in agreement on the L-1 vote of a lurker and in agreement over the thoughts regarding how fast a lynch can form.  There is no cognitive dissonance, our experience with the Harvey Dent vote and the thoughts on Smeagol culminated in the realization of the tendencies of hydra votes.

Huh?

Vote: Tyler Durden

Deliberately creating need of the babelfish to translate from your native language to your native language is an anti-town trait.

vote: Tyler Durden too, for this reason.  No one should care that much about how they look.

[Harvey Dent]

Unvote

The other half of this head thinks that statements like this aren't scummy in the slightest, and he actually holds a decent point that if all heads are inconsistent every head is going to look scummy, making scumhunting much harder.


I disagree with his methods, however. I think you just need to directly address your other head's points where you disagree with them (say, as I am doing now).

[Harvey Dent]

Unvote

The other half of this head thinks that statements like this aren't scummy in the slightest, and he actually holds a decent point that if all heads are inconsistent every head is going to look scummy, making scumhunting much harder.


I disagree with his methods, however. I think you just need to directly address your other head's points where you disagree with them (say, as I am doing now).

vote: Tyler Durden because its the right thing to do.  Clearly, this inconsistency is inconsistent with my line of thinking.

[Professor Quirrell]

I'm getting a highly scummy vibe from Sakon and Ukon.

Yes, we are in agreement on the posts we make.  It's a bad idea to post first, and then argue with your other head.  This gives scum the chance to say any "contradictions" were just a disagreement between heads.  So our heads are in agreement on the L-1 vote of a lurker and in agreement over the thoughts regarding how fast a lynch can form.  There is no cognitive dissonance, our experience with the Harvey Dent vote and the thoughts on Smeagol culminated in the realization of the tendencies of hydra votes.

vote: Tyler Durden

Being worried about presenting an appearance of consistency is a scum trait.

In some ways this is a key phase for scum. By influencing the overarching meta for hydra play, they can create a climate that's more or less chaotic, and therefore better or worse for scum. This is a somewhat "jokey" post, but it's clearly trying to discourage clarity.

Vote: Sakon and Ukon

[Sakon and Ukon]

Knowing my own alignment and understanding quick wagons on D1 are always on Town and ignoring how this appears reactive to the professor; Unvote[/b   ]