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[Dsell]

The deadline is tomorrow. PPS is NOT our only choice. I don't like that bandwagon at all. I don't think the scum PPS from MVII would be getting this much heat this early.

[Galzria]

The deadline is tomorrow. PPS is NOT our only choice. I don't like that bandwagon at all. I don't think the scum PPS from MVII would be getting this much heat this early.

Town PPS would never have responded to pressure like this - I'm fact, he didn't! Many times over!

We never saw scum PPS under pressure.

[Galzria]

The deadline is tomorrow. PPS is NOT our only choice. I don't like that bandwagon at all. I don't think the scum PPS from MVII would be getting this much heat this early.

Town PPS in M-VI would never have responded to pressure like this - I'm fact, he didn't! Many times over!

We never saw scum PPS from M-VII under pressure.

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 1.19:

cayvie (1): Archetype
eHalcyon (1): O
Morgrim7 (1): Morgrim7
pingpongsam (6): Galzria, Captain_Frisk, Robz888, pingpongsam, cayvie, Insomniac {L-4}
Captain_Frisk (2): Watno, theorel
Archetype (1): Cuzz
ftl (1): Dsell, Axxle
Dsell (1): ftl

No Lynch (1): eHalcyon

Not voting {3}: ashersky, Eevee

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Thursday, August 30th, at 3 p.m. forum time
15.5 hours from now!

[O]

vote: Galz

"town PPS would never respond like this"

you've never seen town or scum PPS wagoned against.

I think the PPS wagon is bad and suggest everyone else who does too to hop on this so we have an actual alternate wagon.

[eHalcyon]

This is a dumb wagon.  PPS calls out two people voting on him for being scummy, acts super confident about it when there's no way he could be.  He might be right but he can't be certain.  But he basically wants to get lynched?  And in asking for it, it means any subsequent votes come fully loaded with an excuse.  Ridiculous.

[Dsell]

vote: Galz

"town PPS would never respond like this"

you've never seen town or scum PPS wagoned against.

I think the PPS wagon is bad and suggest everyone else who does too to hop on this so we have an actual alternate wagon.

May I interest you in FTL? I forgot you were in this game too.

[cayvie]

I'll happily be the sacrificial lamb so that you 2 Mafia are outed. My role isn't that great so Town will do fine to lose me D1. You reek so bad of Mafia it's obnoxious but I understand how hard it is for most to see. Carry on with the smoke screening.

DSell, and everyone else who doesn't like a PPS lynch today, this post is the one since his return that stands out to me most.

I just don't get the sentiment behind this. I really don't like Day 1 resignation.

He says his death will out two Mafia; this is so clearly not the case. Even if he turns up town, it will only be weak evidence at best that Galz and the other person he's referring to (I'm really not sure, Insomniac maybe?) are scum. I mean, they're at least applying pressure to people: that's the towniest possible thing to do day 1!

I find Eevee scummy as well, but mostly in conjunction with PPS; it really looks like he tried to protect his buddy, got called on it, and backtracked.

[eHalcyon]

That's fair, cayvie.

[Dsell]

I'm not denying that that is scummy/stupid but it doesn't strike me as something that pro-scum PPS would ever say, especially day 1. PPS was a nobody in MVI and just hung around behind the scenes (being amazing behind the scenes, actually). We have no idea how he might have reacted if he came under pressure. This seems to me like a townie who's convinced he's found scum but is probably wrong.

[cayvie]

I'm not denying that that is scummy/stupid but it doesn't strike me as something that pro-scum PPS would ever say, especially day 1. PPS was a nobody in MVI and just hung around behind the scenes (being amazing behind the scenes, actually). We have no idea how he might have reacted if he came under pressure. This seems to me like a townie who's convinced he's found scum but is probably wrong.

You know what?

unvote, vote Dsell

I don't see how you can claim to know what pro-scum PPS would do under pressure day 1. You've never seen it.

I think you're scum, you know PPS is town, and you're distancing yourself from the lynch so that you look clean in the future.

[cayvie]

Have a swell day

[O]

I'm not denying that that is scummy/stupid but it doesn't strike me as something that pro-scum PPS would ever say, especially day 1. PPS was a nobody in MVI and just hung around behind the scenes (being amazing behind the scenes, actually). We have no idea how he might have reacted if he came under pressure. This seems to me like a townie who's convinced he's found scum but is probably wrong.

You know what?

unvote, vote Dsell

I don't see how you can claim to know what pro-scum PPS would do under pressure day 1. You've never seen it.

I think you're scum, you know PPS is town, and you're distancing yourself from the lynch so that you look clean in the future.

ITT Cayvie uses the exact same reasoning I used for Galzria but completely ignores me.

[Galzria]

vote: Galz

"town PPS would never respond like this"

you've never seen town or scum PPS wagoned against.

I think the PPS wagon is bad and suggest everyone else who does too to hop on this so we have an actual alternate wagon.

You're right. Town PPS having 4 votes (the same as here) in a town about the same size, back on July 4th in M-VI - yeah, that never happened.

[cayvie]

I'm not denying that that is scummy/stupid but it doesn't strike me as something that pro-scum PPS would ever say, especially day 1. PPS was a nobody in MVI and just hung around behind the scenes (being amazing behind the scenes, actually). We have no idea how he might have reacted if he came under pressure. This seems to me like a townie who's convinced he's found scum but is probably wrong.

You know what?

unvote, vote Dsell

I don't see how you can claim to know what pro-scum PPS would do under pressure day 1. You've never seen it.

I think you're scum, you know PPS is town, and you're distancing yourself from the lynch so that you look clean in the future.

ITT Cayvie uses the exact same reasoning I used for Galzria but completely ignores me.

I'm sorry for ignoring you, O. I didn't mean to make you feel left out.

Is this the post you're referring to?

vote: Galz

"town PPS would never respond like this"

you've never seen town or scum PPS wagoned against.

I think the PPS wagon is bad and suggest everyone else who does too to hop on this so we have an actual alternate wagon.

I think you and I both know that there is a big fundamental difference between the arguments we're making. Yes, our arguments start with one premise in common:

Nobody has seen PPS under pressure.

However, Galzria's argument (for lynching PPS) doesn't hinge on faulty PPS meta the same way that Dsell's seems to. The Galz statement you're referencing, in fact, comes in response to Dsell bringing in PPS meta!

The deadline is tomorrow. PPS is NOT our only choice. I don't like that bandwagon at all. I don't think the scum PPS from MVII would be getting this much heat this early.

Town PPS would never have responded to pressure like this - I'm fact, he didn't! Many times over!

We never saw scum PPS under pressure.

DSell's the one who started the conversation about PPS meta; Galz can hardly be faulted for responding in kind.

[Galzria]

vote: Galz

"town PPS would never respond like this"

you've never seen town or scum PPS wagoned against.

I think the PPS wagon is bad and suggest everyone else who does too to hop on this so we have an actual alternate wagon.

You're right. Town PPS having 4 votes (the same as here) in a town about the same size, back on July 4th in M-VI - yeah, that never happened.

Oh, wait...

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:
Galzria(1) - eHalcyon
Ozle (3) - Robz888, Grujah, Morgrim7
pingpongsam (4)- ftl, Insomniac, Galzria, Ozle
Insomniac (1) - Cayvie
Cayvie (1) - Glooble
Robz (1) - Axxle


I think that's right. Since the last unofficial was:

Bunch of votes moved around in the last couple pages...so, I wanted this info, maybe you want it to?

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:
Galzria(1) - eHalcyon
Ozle (3) - Robz888, Grujah, Morgrim7
pingpongsam (4)- ftl, Insomniac, Galzria, Ozle
Insomniac (1) - Cayvie

[Dsell]

I'm not denying that that is scummy/stupid but it doesn't strike me as something that pro-scum PPS would ever say, especially day 1. PPS was a nobody in MVI and just hung around behind the scenes (being amazing behind the scenes, actually). We have no idea how he might have reacted if he came under pressure. This seems to me like a townie who's convinced he's found scum but is probably wrong.

You know what?

unvote, vote Dsell

I don't see how you can claim to know what pro-scum PPS would do under pressure day 1. You've never seen it.

I think you're scum, you know PPS is town, and you're distancing yourself from the lynch so that you look clean in the future.

Not distancing myself from PPS, I'm strongly suggesting a FTL lynch! If you'd like a real example of someone scummily saying nothing throughout day 1, read all his posts again.

But you're right. I have no idea what PPS would really do. I don't think it's this though.

[Dsell]

cayvie, Galz started the PPS meta. And it looks like he was right. Tbh I wasn't following MVI terribly closely on day 1 (only enough to get the gist and post an occasional vote count), but I DO know how PPS acted in MVII and how he acted behind the scenes in MVI. And I'm not focusing on the meta here. This just does not look all that scummy to me. A bit stupid and he HAS said scummy things, but...no.

READ EVERYTHING FTL HAS POSTED.

[cayvie]

READ EVERYTHING FTL HAS POSTED.

doing it

[Galzria]

cayvie, Galz started the PPS meta. And it looks like he was right. Tbh I wasn't following MVI terribly closely on day 1 (only enough to get the gist and post an occasional vote count), but I DO know how PPS acted in MVII and how he acted behind the scenes in MVI. And I'm not focusing on the meta here. This just does not look all that scummy to me. A bit stupid and he HAS said scummy things, but...no.

READ EVERYTHING FTL HAS POSTED.

Will read. I'm not sold on the PPS lynch like he's sold on me - I just think it's a fine option. I'm still more than willing to listen to/read cases elsewhere.

So, ftl it is? I'll read tonight.

[O]

vote: Ftl this isn't scum dsell, I'm too lazy to closely follow this game at this stage so I'll sheep Dsell's reads. Prefer Galz though.

[Galzria]

vote: Ftl this isn't scum dsell, I'm too lazy to closely follow this game at this stage so I'll sheep Dsell's reads. Prefer Galz though.

You do in every game.

[O]

vote: Ftl this isn't scum dsell, I'm too lazy to closely follow this game at this stage so I'll sheep Dsell's reads. Prefer Galz though.

You do in every game.

Can't wait till we're scumbuddies.

[Galzria]

vote: Ftl this isn't scum dsell, I'm too lazy to closely follow this game at this stage so I'll sheep Dsell's reads. Prefer Galz though.

You do in every game.

Can't wait till we're scumbuddies.

Like Joth and I... There are just some teams that would be truly entertaining.

[cayvie]

Dsell you've responded in a way that makes me happy!

Yeah, ftl does say a whole lot of not very much. I'm with you there. I'm fine with a vote: ftl.

I would not be surprised if O and Galz were scumbuddies here, actually. They both have the balls to have this conversation right out in the open like this.