Topic: BMV - Truly Bastard Role Madness Mafia - GAME OVER, TOWN WINS (Read 161566 times)

Eevee · « **Reply #1200 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:27:53 pm »

Good thing is, if we get attacked by ancient fossil pokemons, we have cuzz ready to save us.

@cayvie
I agree. Robz semi-siding with Watno looks weird to me.

Robz888 · « **Reply #1201 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:28:34 pm »

Quote from: Eevee on September 05, 2012, 05:27:53 pm

Good thing is, if we get attacked by ancient fossil pokemons, we have cuzz ready to save us.

@cayvie
I agree. Robz semi-siding with Watno looks weird to me.

I'm not siding with him. I'm just not sure it's a slam dunk.

Watno · « **Reply #1202 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:28:58 pm »

I stopped responding to what questions?

Why would I claim to someone whose alignment I don't know, when I don't wanna claim to everyone. I also wasn't awake between getting under pressure and revealing that I was from the Hitchhiker's Guide.

Cuzz · « **Reply #1203 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:31:06 pm »

LAE: Lynch All Europeans

(I kid, I kid).

Watno · « **Reply #1204 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:34:44 pm »

And before anyone starts on timezones: Yes, I did sleep quite long.

cayvie · « **Reply #1205 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:41:40 pm »

Quote from: Watno on September 05, 2012, 05:28:58 pm

I stopped responding to what questions?

Why would I claim to someone whose alignment I don't know, when I don't wanna claim to everyone. I also wasn't awake between getting under pressure and revealing that I was from the Hitchhiker's Guide.

Ask Galzria in Murder Mystery Mafia.

I can say, from experience, that, when you're town with a neighbor, there's a real temptation to risk it and share information.

Cuzz · « **Reply #1206 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:43:19 pm »

BTW Watno are you a hydra?

Watno · « **Reply #1207 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:50:31 pm »

I don't wanna read that whole other mafia, maybe you can just give me the relevant part?
I really don't see the point in giving information to a single person I don't know about. Btw, you didn't do so excessively either.

I am not a hydra.

Eevee · « **Reply #1208 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:55:28 pm »

Quote from: Watno on September 05, 2012, 05:50:31 pm

I don't wanna read that whole other mafia, maybe you can just give me the relevant part?
I really don't see the point in giving information to a single person I don't know about. Btw, you didn't do so excessively either.

I am not a hydra.

Galzria was mafia with various quicktopics. Some townies really screwed up by claiming not only their own role but also revealing the town cop to him in the QT because he appeared really trustworthy. Almost cost town the game. Man some people are stupid.

Watno · « **Reply #1209 on:** September 05, 2012, 05:57:27 pm »

So that doesn't sound like a reason to give information in dubious quicktopics

cayvie · « **Reply #1210 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:02:55 pm »

Quote from: Watno on September 05, 2012, 05:50:31 pm

I don't wanna read that whole other mafia, maybe you can just give me the relevant part?
I really don't see the point in giving information to a single person I don't know about. Btw, you didn't do so excessively either.

I am not a hydra.

I told you my role and information I'd received privately from the mod. I also told you my reasons for neighborizing you.

What happened in that game was Galzria was scum with 4 town neighbors, at least 2 of whom (possibly more? don't remember) claimed their roles to him. I was one of the four. So I know what it's like to be town with a neighbor.

Mentally, being town is all about the tension between keeping your role secret and getting what information you have out there. Having a neighbor gives a potential outlet for that tension.

The fact that you don't seem to have been tempted at all to share implies to me that you've already got an outlet. And the most likely explanation for that is that you're scum.

Watno · « **Reply #1211 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:08:57 pm »

So am I getting this right: You suspect me, because I didn't get tempted to do something bad?

Pretty much all the information you gave me was related to your neighbouring thing, which only the two of us knew about anyway.
You also told me about the quicktopics in fear of getting killed, but you also said that in here when the day started.

cayvie · « **Reply #1212 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:18:52 pm »

Quote from: Watno on September 05, 2012, 06:08:57 pm

So am I getting this right: You suspect me, because I didn't get tempted to do something bad?

Well, it's only bad if I'm scum (which I'm not).

But, basically, yes.

Yes indeed.

cayvie · « **Reply #1213 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:20:02 pm »

Temptation arises because you don't know whether an action is good or not; i.e., whether we have the same alignment.

The fact that you had no temptation implies that you already knew that we didn't.

Eevee · « **Reply #1214 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:24:23 pm »

Quote from: cayvie on September 05, 2012, 06:20:02 pm

Temptation arises because you don't know whether an action is good or not; i.e., whether we have the same alignment.

The fact that you had no temptation implies that you already knew that we didn't.

Being the one that fell for Galzria's cunning tongue, I can 100% get behind this.

Robz888 · « **Reply #1215 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:28:07 pm »

Quote from: Eevee on September 05, 2012, 06:24:23 pm

Quote from: cayvie on September 05, 2012, 06:20:02 pm
Temptation arises because you don't know whether an action is good or not; i.e., whether we have the same alignment.

The fact that you had no temptation implies that you already knew that we didn't.
Being the one that fell for Galzria's cunning tongue, I can 100% get behind this.

Actually, I can sort of verify this mentality. In RMMI, because I knew I did not share Galzria's win condition, when I was recruited into his QT, I made basically no effort to engage him.

Watno · « **Reply #1216 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:29:06 pm »

Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that you don't give information to people whose alignment you don't know if you're not willing to give them in public.

cayvie · « **Reply #1217 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:32:29 pm »

Quote from: Watno on September 05, 2012, 06:29:06 pm

Well, it seems pretty obvious to me that you don't give information to people whose alignment you don't know if you're not willing to give them in public.

This argument seems backward to me. You're going from the general case to the specific, when surely the logic should work the other way.

It's like saying "I know eating 1000 cookies is bad, so clearly eating 1 cookie is bad".

cayvie · « **Reply #1218 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:34:04 pm »

Also, geeeeez this is a hard post restriction for me. I'm holding my tongue a lot!

Sorry for getting on your case so much, Watno; it's just that I think it's for the good of the town!

jotheonah · « **Reply #1219 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:34:26 pm »

Modconfirmation: Eating 1,000 cookies would be awesome.

Nameclaim: Cookie Monster

jotheonah · « **Reply #1220 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:35:16 pm »

No, that was an arbitrary lie sorry. I obviously don't have a role that would be crazy.

cayvie · « **Reply #1221 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:35:32 pm »

Quote from: jotheonah on September 05, 2012, 06:34:26 pm

Modconfirmation: Eating 1,000 cookies would be awesome.

Nameclaim: Cookie Monster

Cookies are a sometimes food, jo.

Watno · « **Reply #1222 on:** September 05, 2012, 06:43:16 pm »

The reason why you'd want to withhold information is because it would help mafia more than town. Since mafia can talk to each other, telling one is enough for all of them to know. One townie knowing is worse than all of them knowing.
So to me it seems if you give information, you give it to everyone or someone you're quite sure is town.

Btw going from general to specific seems logical to me.

Galzria · « **Reply #1223 on:** September 05, 2012, 07:19:53 pm »

Cayvie, is your portrayal of Ned Flanders from the Simpsons as a whole, or do you come from / reflect a particular episode?

Watno · « **Reply #1224 on:** September 05, 2012, 07:23:20 pm »

Galz, can you tell us when exactly you got the quotes from the quicktopics from jtoth?

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