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[Robz888]

Above is my chart of who could be what. If anyone has ideas about how to narrow things down for each person, I'm all ears. Even though O and I both selected Galzria last night, that doesn't really tell us much.

[O]

Here are possible situations:

One of them is the Alchemist (Insane Doctor) and one of them is the Stoned Philosopher (Nothing).
One of them is mafia and the other is the Stoned Philosopher.
One of them is the Golem and the other is the Stoned Philosopher.
One of them is the mafia and the other is the Alchemist.

Any other possibles?

Found some
Golem, Alchemist, <insert any role here>, <insert any role here> was jailkept
Stoned philosopher, <insert any role here>, <insert any role her> was jailkept and a 3rd party targeted TINAS and killed him.

True, those work. But it still holds that neither Galzria nor Frisk are the True Apothecary or the Apprentice.

Huh? How does that hold.. One of them could be true apothecary/apprentice and just have been roleblocked.

[O]

Jailkept* but you know what I meant

[Galzria]

Here are possible situations:

One of them is the Alchemist (Insane Doctor) and one of them is the Stoned Philosopher (Nothing).
One of them is mafia and the other is the Stoned Philosopher.
One of them is the Golem and the other is the Stoned Philosopher.
One of them is the mafia and the other is the Alchemist.

Any other possibles?

Found some
Golem, Alchemist, <insert any role here>, <insert any role here> was jailkept
Stoned philosopher, <insert any role here>, <insert any role her> was jailkept and a 3rd party targeted TINAS and killed him.

True, those work. But it still holds that neither Galzria nor Frisk are the True Apothecary or the Apprentice.

It's possible that I was jailed if either you or O has that ability, and C.F. (Inadvertently as town, or intentionally as Mafia) killed TINAS. (Or I guess vice versa, but I don't know if he was targeted, while I appear to have been twice). This would mean that I could be anything.

[Galzria]

Lol. What O said.

[Robz888]

Ah jeez. Yeah, you're right. If you were Jailkept. Hm, it could be that either O or me is the Jailkeeper, anyway.

[Robz888]

Okay Galz and Frisk can't jointly be True Apoth and Apprentice, I guess.

[O]

Ah jeez. Yeah, you're right. If you were Jailkept. Hm, it could be that either O or me is the Jailkeeper, anyway.

Or another alive player who hasn't claimed..

Or those two dead guys.. does anyone have a quote where action resolution order is explained?

[O]

Okay Galz and Frisk can't jointly be True Apoth and Apprentice, I guess.

YES! So much progress! 

[Robz888]

Yeah, I don't even know how to notate that on my chart. I'm getting lots of exercise... IN FUTILITY.

[O]

Yeah, I don't even know how to notate that on my chart. I'm getting lots of exercise... IN FUTILITY.

What you do is make a chart of every possible combination, and then X off any of <9! (too lazy to calculate) set-ups that no longer apply

[Galzria]

Okay Galz and Frisk can't jointly be True Apoth and Apprentice, I guess.

YES! So much progress! 

/facepalm

We've got to be able to gather more than this. 

We need full claims, though assuming two people will (likely) lie, I'm not sure what we'll really be left with.

Ugh. Good 'ol fashion scum hunting? FoS at Z for that lynch comment.

[O]

Ugh. Good 'ol fashion scum hunting? FoS at Z for that lynch comment.

Scumhunting with D1 votes to go off of, 2 mafia/6 total, and the only potentially confirmable townie (herbalist) dead seems like a losing proposition.

That being said, after we get in all the claims if Z is just as likely to be mafia as anyone else my FOS at him stands.

[Robz888]

Z also hammered pretty casually.

[O]

Z also hammered pretty casually.

Eh, hammering isn't a scumtell, especially D1 in a role madness (or whatever you call medical mafia) setup

But the odd possible scumslip still stands.

[Galzria]

Well, for D2, Yuma, Robz and Insomniac are clear for me. There might be a Mafia there, but the other 4 wagon voters (3 not counting myself) seem like a better place to look D2 for me, as my "base odds" are equal (3 players each side).

Granted, for O I'm on his list instead of him, and for Robz all 4 of us are candidates, but if we cross reference scumtells with our best guess at figuring out N1 we should be able to put something together that looks like a good lynch.

[O]

...Ok, once my MVI setup gets OKed by Volt, I'll post it.. the crushing lack of mafia is driving me insane.

And damnit Galz no way in hell I'm travelling down that path again

[Galzria]

Whoops, drop Insomniac of the above list. I was basing off the opening post which isn't updated to show his death yet.

[O]

Also, for a second I thought Robz had enabled anyone to edit his chart, and was planning some fun there..

[Robz888]

Also, for a second I thought Robz had enabled anyone to edit his chart, and was planning some fun there..

Ha! No editing my chart, scum.

[Captain_Frisk]

Also, for a second I thought Robz had enabled anyone to edit his chart, and was planning some fun there..

Ha! No editing my chart, scum.

Ok - If you trust Galz and I - neither of us can be the Jailkeeper (as that would prevent night kills).

[Captain_Frisk]

So we need claims from ftl and zxc?

[yuma]

So we need claims from ftl and zxc?

and me.... I ended up not going on my camping trip. My grandfather-in-law passed away last night. So I am not really sure how often I will be able to participate in the coming days.

But for now I can say that due to the lack of before and after zxcvbn's hammer--which I feel was a huge mistake, not necessarily the hammer, but the fact that he gave a proposal, assumed we would all follow it and then sent us into night. It would have been much better for him to give a proposal, wait to see what people said, get a solid consensus and then hammer later. As an even larger drawback because the lack of consensus we now have no idea who TINAS or Insomniac targeted last night--it could have been from either suggestion or neither.

I followed insomniac and targeted Frisk--who didn't die! Hooray! Hope that helps. I'll try to get on when I can, but I honestly have no idea what the next few days hold in store.

[Captain_Frisk]

So we need claims from ftl and zxc?

and me.... I ended up not going on my camping trip. My grandfather-in-law passed away last night. So I am not really sure how often I will be able to participate in the coming days.

Doh!  I was looking at an old vote count - clearly ftl can't claim - because he was lynched.

[jotheonah]

If Galzria and Frisk both targeted TINAS, and he died, that means neither have a power that protects their target from dying if nightkilled. Meaning, neither can be the True Apothecary or Apprentice. If one of or both of them was, TINAS should have lived. Right?

IDK.

If Weak doctor targets scum, does doctor protection save them?

Yes.