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[Jimmmmm]

And so on down the rabbit-hole.

[faust]

Here is a selection of helpfup content. Please explain how the content wasn't helpful in each instance.

Vote: joth

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

Don't you think you can buddy me!

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?

I was just about ready to vote MiX, and now you leave?

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that I’ll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. It’s a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth

Tsk, I don't do RVS. I get offended when people label my votes as RVS, and more so if they label them as meaningless.

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

It's important to also read what is not said.

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

...okay, I'm going to stop here, you get my point I believe.

PPE: You are conflating two things there. It is helpful for me to argue my townieness. You claim it is helpful for you to give reasons for your vote, so you'd have to think it good to do that. The rabbit hole I was complaining about is useless meta talk about playstyles.

[MiX]

On the other hand, Jimmmmm is being more active than usual and you could say that he used the cover provided by Didds' case to join the wagon. I like seeing the participation, so I'm sorry to discourage it, but vote: Jimmmmm.

Thanks for the reason!

It's tough when you have a reputation for inactivity. I'd like to get away from it, and it's not really worth playing if I'm not going to be actively involved in the game, but any attempt to be more active is inevitably going to be seen as scummy. I'm certainly not going to limit my posting in order to avoid suspicion.

If it helps, I'm stuck at home due to lockdown, so I have more time on my hands than I would otherwise have.

Unvote

[MiX]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.

I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.

I don't know about you, faust, but this post tells me you're both town.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: joth

Unexplained vote. Unhelpful.

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

Don't you think you can buddy me!

Sounds jokey to me. Are you suggesting this is an actual reason for a legitimate scumread on MiX?

I did not realize all the Joth voters had already unvoted.

I also don't like voting MiX because of all the tryhard.

Vote: EFHW because of saltiness is something I can get behind.

You don't like tryhard, but saltiness is okay?
Vote: iguana
Let's try a better wagon here?

I was just about ready to vote MiX, and now you leave?

Unexplained vote that never happened. If I was to infer a reason it would simply be to join a wagon.

I suspect MiX and faust are voting on me in the hopes that I’ll overreact to a small wagon which is one of my primary scum tells. It’s a good plan, town points all around.

Too careful an (effectively) first post in response to meaningless RVS votes.

Vote: joth

Tsk, I don't do RVS. I get offended when people label my votes as RVS, and more so if they label them as meaningless.

You get offended at an RVS comment, but make no effort to justify it not being RVS or meaningless.

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

It's important to also read what is not said.

Cryptic and unhelpful.

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

Question about wagon theory. The only thing we can infer is that you think mathdude's attitude to wagons is NAI, which isn't helpful.

[faust]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

For sure. And look at the rabbit-hole you're leading us down.

I am leading us down? I was merely answering iguana's question, and iguana seems to think that my answer will help him read me better, so that's helpful for the game. You responded with a paragraph that does nothing to with the current game and doesn't help anyone in any way.

I don't know about you, faust, but this post tells me you're both town.

I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.

[LaLight]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.

[Jimmmmm]

I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.

And by refusing to talk about your reads, you're limiting discussion about you to this.

[faust]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.

I am focused on winning this game. If you want to have that discussion we can make a separate thread for it once this game is over.

[MiX]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.

What are you implying here?

[faust]

I don't think much can be gleaned from this debate in terms of alignment tells. It's very easy for scum to engage in meta discussions because these don't have to be faked, they can talk about their sincere beliefs and generate interactions from that. On the other hand, "someone is wrong on the internet" is also a phenomenon that can get townies riled up and lead to them engaging in such discussions.

And by refusing to talk about your reads, you're limiting discussion about you to this.

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though. My votes are there, I tend to vote for my scumreads. Sometimes I even state my reads on players I am not currently voting for. You are free to use this information to infer my alignment. I am not sure how my giving reasons for every vote would help you in that process.

[faust]

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though.

Alright cool. So why the vote on me? Why do you think MiX is scum? Why did you vote for joth and iguana, and why change your mind? Would you go back to them, and why or why not? Any other reads, and how did you come to them?

[MiX]

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.

[MiX]

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though.

Alright cool. So why the vote on me? Why do you think MiX is scum? Why did you vote for joth and iguana, and why change your mind? Would you go back to them, and why or why not? Any other reads, and how did you come to them?

Can you also answer this question?

Actually, can someone of the scum alignment answer this question too?

[faust]

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.

In my experience the statement is about as likely to be correct as random chance once you restrict to only instances where townies say it.

[faust]

Also, wait - the way I reacted to Jimmmmm makes him town? How does that make sense?

[MiX]

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.

In my experience the statement is about as likely to be correct as random chance once you restrict to only instances where townies say it.

It's not like I have evidence saying otherwise. But I don't really like how there's only been 2 wagons this entire day, and at least one of them seems to be entirely at random.

Also, wait - the way I reacted to Jimmmmm makes him town? How does that make sense?

The things he said that made you react like that, and the reaction itself, tells me that you subconsciously think that he's being honest and genuine.

It's probably the way you referred to his paragraph of useless things, it sounded like something only town can do (the paragraph, that is).

[MiX]

And uh I was also townreading Jimmmmm before this recent discussion.

Anyway, it would be cool if we had other wagons, or maybe even just collapse on EFHW. I'll reread the game in a few hours and decide then.

[faust]

I'm not refusing to talk about my reads though.

Alright cool. So why the vote on me? Why do you think MiX is scum? Why did you vote for joth and iguana, and why change your mind? Would you go back to them, and why or why not? Any other reads, and how did you come to them?

I was about to write a snarky response, but it's no use escalating this. I do not deny that there are things that I refuse to talk about. I am sure that there are things that you refuse to talk about, too, otherwise you would tell me your role now. The only difference is where we draw the line. i am willing to discuss some things when I feel it is beneficial to discuss them. Someone I think is scum wanting to know is not grounds for me to change my mind though.

[Jimmmmm]

Alright so which of your reads are you willing to discuss?

[faust]

The things he said that made you react like that, and the reaction itself, tells me that you subconsciously think that he's being honest and genuine.

What does is matter what I think?

Also, the fact that scum can be honest and genuine about these things was like, the entire point i tried to make earlier.

[LaLight]

What definitely does not serve town is debating which playstyles are and aren't helpful to town instead of scumhunting.

you do long-term.

What are you implying here?

that a discussion of different playstyles and eventual consensus gonna help minimize these kinds of conversations in the future and maybe playing the game instead of "going down that rabbit hole"

[faust]

Alright so which of your reads are you willing to discuss?

Currently? The ones I have discussed. I will entertain talking about reads on other people once they become relevant to the flow of the game.

[LaLight]

I am disappointed in you, MiX. Two people having a drawn-out emotional discussion and then a third player going "I think this is TvT" is such a meme. I expected better.

It's a meme for a reason. I think your particular way of reacting to Jimmmmm makes him town. And of course, it makes you town too.

I don't understand how so. I think it's def not scum v scum, but one of them may as well be. I think faust.