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Author Topic: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Game Over! Skum Wins!  (Read 128624 times)

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #325 on: September 29, 2020, 01:00:44 pm »

@ Glooble - You mention Joseph and Galz as super suspicious. Where do you stand on ADK now?

Still think there's a good chance they're scum.
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I think town!Glooble pointing to something as a scum tell and then shortly thereafter doing that thing is a lot more likely than scum!Glooble doing that.

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #326 on: September 29, 2020, 01:02:31 pm »

Not feeling warm and fuzzy about MiX either, tbh.

In what universe do I put Joseph to X-1 as scum? People have moved on from me, I'm not under a huge amount of pressure. As scum I lie low here.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #327 on: September 29, 2020, 01:43:22 pm »

Vote: chairs

Let's try something new!

This is old and boring

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #328 on: September 29, 2020, 01:44:00 pm »

Vote: chairs

Let's try something new!

This is old and boring

Yeah, I was voting chairs before it was cool.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #329 on: September 29, 2020, 02:00:14 pm »

Vote: chairs

Let's try something new!

Oh good, faust is town
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #330 on: September 29, 2020, 02:11:09 pm »

Well all the people that didn't hammer that X-1 seem a but townier
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #331 on: September 29, 2020, 02:39:19 pm »

It's late and I have a headache, so while it wasn't long, I'm going to tl;dr my last post for clarity on the salient point.

I pointed out that Galz messed up the group of people who townread ADK back to back to back in trying to read Joseph. Joseph said Glooble not really being in that group explained why he wasn't suspicious of Glooble, but Joseph was originally the first person to put Glooble in that group to begin with by mistake, so he literally was just caught in a lie regarding his motives behind his reads/actions.
It was late and I made a mistake. Everything I said about Glooble and Dylan was what I thought, the fact I temporarily forgot which one of them was on the set of people- so what? Mistakes happen

I had about 100 things on yesterday, and this game really was priority 100

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Sure, the original mistake is totally NAI and mistakes happen, I get that and wouldn't try to make a case out of it. But after I pointed out the mistake, you said that glooble not actually being in that group originally is why you weren't on glooble the same way you were on EFHW. That couldn't have been true, because until I pointed out the mistake, multiple people including you thought glooble was in that group. So the mistake is totally fair, but the claim that glooble not being in that group was the reason you weren't voting or suspicious of them doesn't hold up since you thought they were. You could have made a mistake and then given a different reason for reading glooble the same way, and I wouldn't have a thing to say other than is town or scum more likely to make a mistake like this, and in fact someone else already brought that up. But in this post...

Whatís the argument on Jospeh?

I'm voting Joseph because of the evolution of his "reads" - voting for EFHW for "RVS", that turns into 'leaving his vote there for real reasons' - those 'reasons' being a purchase into the belief that 3 consecutive people expressing town reads on ADK could not themselves all be town, and EFHW (for unexplained reasons) is the scummiest of those 3 people - sorry, 2 people, as Joseph himself was one of the 3 (and thus would not consider himself). The other player, Glooble, has a few votes himself with plenty of conversation happening around him, yet Joseph has been completely silent on that topic. Seems to me that if Joseph genuinely believed that there were scum amongst {EFHW, Glooble}, he would be more interested in considering the arguments surrounding both players in that pair.

Glooble wasn't the 3rd in that sequence of ADK townreads. Glooble was voting for ADK, then EFHW townread, I agreed, then Joseph agreed.

Yes this is why I wasn't on Glooble
And as for Dylan, they've not made many posts for me to analyse right now

Although this post seems more towny than EFHW's vote for anyone post

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... you explicitly claim that a correct understanding of the facts (specifically, knowing that glooble was not in that group) was the reason you weren't on them, when it's documented that you didn't realize that.  Which means you were just making up a reason after the fact rather than truthfully explaining your motives.  If you instead said, "Oh, I messed that up, you're right that I should have had glooble under suspicion based on that, too" or "Oh, now my thoughts towards glooble as it relates to that group now apply to Dylan instead" or a pretty big variety of possible responses actually, you would have acted consistently with realizing you made a mistake and adjusting accordingly, but you didn't. You described yourself as having acted in a way that you only could have if you hadn't made a mistake to begin with.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #332 on: September 29, 2020, 02:48:00 pm »

Yeah, I feel good about where my vote is.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #333 on: September 29, 2020, 02:56:06 pm »

I appreciate Dylan's effort, but Joseph's mixup seems fairly innocent.

Like I said, the original mistake could be totally innocent, NAI, whatever. But his arguments and reads have to be evaluated through the lens of "was operating under faulty info" for that time period. The insidious part was the double speak of saying he made a mistake while simultaneously saying that he had reached a conclusion that could only have happened if he had not made that mistake to begin with.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #334 on: September 29, 2020, 03:04:46 pm »

So scum!Joseph lost track of his lies?
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #335 on: September 29, 2020, 03:20:17 pm »

So scum!Joseph lost track of his lies?

Occam's razor says yeah. If he was town and had an actual reason for seeing glooble and EFHW differently that addressed Galz's original point, he would have remembered that rather than saying essentially "I knew he wasn't in that group, so your point is invalid."
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #336 on: September 29, 2020, 03:30:41 pm »

Vote Count 1.4:

Joseph (4): Galzria, Dylan, Eevee, Glooble
Glooble (2): ADK, Space
WCD (1):  Robz888
EFHW (1): MiX
Galrzria (1): WCD
EFHW (1): Joseph
MiX (1): chairs
chairs (1): faust

Not Voting (1): EFHW


With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day 1 ends on September 30th at 10pm Forum Time. That is just over 30 hours from the time of this post!!!
« Last Edit: September 29, 2020, 06:58:34 pm by Swowl »
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #337 on: September 29, 2020, 03:32:49 pm »

Dylan's case is airtight. I'll sheep it :P

Vote: Joseph, X-2
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #338 on: September 29, 2020, 03:49:26 pm »

I'm good with the Joseph lynch.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #339 on: September 29, 2020, 04:05:08 pm »

😩 I agree, I want to give mix more crap since I wasn't feeling it on scumbuddy memeing this game but Dylan has Joseph preeetty solid.

Vote: Joseph

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #340 on: September 29, 2020, 05:14:46 pm »

I'm VT
And not sure what the hell is going on in this game
And if you're all making decisions based on one post, then that's stupid- go check all the other games where I've bad mistakes when posting late in the evening
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #341 on: September 29, 2020, 05:56:57 pm »

Yeah, I don't buy it either.

vote: MiX

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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #342 on: September 29, 2020, 05:58:25 pm »

Swowl,  there are a bunch of mistakes in that vc!
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #343 on: September 29, 2020, 05:59:09 pm »

Swowl,  there are a bunch of mistakes in that vc!

Yeah I bet Joseph was already hammered.

Yeah, I don't buy it either.

vote: MiX

 for joining the fray.

It was either that or staying on you, and that wagon's not working.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #344 on: September 29, 2020, 06:04:58 pm »

Swowl,  there are a bunch of mistakes in that vc!

Yeah I bet Joseph was already hammered.

Yeah, I don't buy it either.

vote: MiX

 for joining the fray.

It was either that or staying on you, and that wagon's not working.

I keep  reading that as Swowl was hammered.

But, seriously,  there is a lot of time left. You had 2 other scumreads. You stated three different ways that you disagreed with the wagon in just the last page.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #345 on: September 29, 2020, 06:06:52 pm »

Yeah, I disagreed with it. Then I read the case again. And again. And some more. Joseph's actions make no sense as town, and I think they match with what they could've done as scum.

That being said, Vote: EFHW
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #346 on: September 29, 2020, 06:07:23 pm »

Vote: EFHW

I remembered that Swowl wanted us to vote in a seperate line now, I'll try to keep that in mind.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #347 on: September 29, 2020, 06:09:35 pm »

So scum!Joseph lost track of his lies?

Occam's razor says yeah. If he was town and had an actual reason for seeing glooble and EFHW differently that addressed Galz's original point, he would have remembered that rather than saying essentially "I knew he wasn't in that group, so your point is invalid."
I think he was lazy both times. He didn't remember because he made a careless vote in the first place.
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #348 on: September 29, 2020, 06:10:05 pm »

Swowl,  there are a bunch of mistakes in that vc!

Will double check one moment to
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Re: M132: Cats and Dogs Mafia - Day 1!!!!
« Reply #349 on: September 29, 2020, 06:11:07 pm »

This is a great example of don't lie as town.
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