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Author Topic: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Game Over, Scum and Treasure Hunter win!)  (Read 199231 times)

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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1800 on: May 19, 2020, 06:46:10 am »

Also I appreciate the irony of Joseph denying that they are an SK.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1801 on: May 19, 2020, 06:51:23 am »

Vote: No lynch
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Scum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.

Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
You're right I guess
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For trying to convince everyone that I'm an SK or trying to win alone
I wouldn't have been that dumb to come out so early unless my role didn't matter to other people
Well you convinced me to give you my piece of the statue so clearly it wasn't that stupid.
Wait what????????
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1802 on: May 19, 2020, 06:52:01 am »

When did you give Joseph your piece of the statue?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1803 on: May 19, 2020, 06:58:49 am »

Vote: No lynch
Best thing I can do right now, I need game to go as long as possible
Scum is blocking you. They're probably doing that because they believe you're lying, that the game ends when you win, and everyone else loses. It doesn't matter whether or not you're actually lying. All that matters is you need to lynch whoever's blocking you if you want to win.

Hint: their name isn't No Lynch.
You're right I guess
Vote: faust
For trying to convince everyone that I'm an SK or trying to win alone
I wouldn't have been that dumb to come out so early unless my role didn't matter to other people
Well you convinced me to give you my piece of the statue so clearly it wasn't that stupid.
I didn't get your statue, joth stole it
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1804 on: May 19, 2020, 07:02:03 am »

Here's another thing that's bugging me (though maybe faust can't help me with this one). On D2, joth and Joseph each claim to have a piece of the statue (I think). At this point, joth has already decoded the notebook, so he's a treasure hunter, looking for more pieces. Joseph does the predictable, logical thing and steals joth's piece. But joth doesn't steal Joseph's piece. Instead, (according to faust and eevee,) he steals faust's piece. Did he know faust had a piece? He definitely knew Joseph had one. What's up with that? Did faust give joth the piece, and actually joth had no ability to steal? All ideas are welcome.
Does the timing work out in that it was already known that Joseph had a piece?

Anyways my assumption has been that scum has an item Cop. That doesn't seem all that unlikely in this setup. They copped me N1 and then stole.
I think it was already known. I plan to go back and czech.

Your assumption leads me to another question. What exactly did joth want with all these owl pieces? Did he want to win alone and ditch his buddies, or is there some other use for the statue in scum hands? Joth flipped as a goon, implying that he had no special stealing powers. So probably if scum can steal, it's a factional thing? So joth is running about the place, using mafia's factional steal to get owl pieces for his own personal win? I mean...

Plus, last night scum didn't steal Joseph's piece. So have they stopped chasing the owl?

I can't even keep track of the things I don't get at this point.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1805 on: May 19, 2020, 07:24:59 am »

When did you give Joseph your piece of the statue?
I intended to give it to them when mafia stole it.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1806 on: May 19, 2020, 07:30:17 am »

Your assumption leads me to another question. What exactly did joth want with all these owl pieces? Did he want to win alone and ditch his buddies, or is there some other use for the statue in scum hands? Joth flipped as a goon, implying that he had no special stealing powers. So probably if scum can steal, it's a factional thing? So joth is running about the place, using mafia's factional steal to get owl pieces for his own personal win? I mean...

Plus, last night scum didn't steal Joseph's piece. So have they stopped chasing the owl?

I can't even keep track of the things I don't get at this point.
It makes sense either way, doesn't it? joth lied to his partners to go for the solo win, or he told the truth, so scum knew that Joseph would end the game if he got them all, and they tried to get hold of one owl piece to prevent that from happening.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1807 on: May 19, 2020, 08:51:15 am »

Your assumption leads me to another question. What exactly did joth want with all these owl pieces? Did he want to win alone and ditch his buddies, or is there some other use for the statue in scum hands? Joth flipped as a goon, implying that he had no special stealing powers. So probably if scum can steal, it's a factional thing? So joth is running about the place, using mafia's factional steal to get owl pieces for his own personal win? I mean...

Plus, last night scum didn't steal Joseph's piece. So have they stopped chasing the owl?

I can't even keep track of the things I don't get at this point.
It makes sense either way, doesn't it? joth lied to his partners to go for the solo win, or he told the truth, so scum knew that Joseph would end the game if he got them all, and they tried to get hold of one owl piece to prevent that from happening.
For the hundredth time, I don't win alone. You can try and convince everyone that I do, but I don't
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1808 on: May 19, 2020, 08:59:28 am »

There is of course a nonzero chance that the win condition from the codebook/notebook and the win condition that Joseph has do not coincide, but I wouldn't risk anything on that assumption.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1809 on: May 19, 2020, 10:17:26 am »

There is of course a nonzero chance that the win condition from the codebook/notebook and the win condition that Joseph has do not coincide, but I wouldn't risk anything on that assumption.
Great. Well then I have a zero chance of doing anything for the rest of the game
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1810 on: May 19, 2020, 10:58:48 am »

There is of course a nonzero chance that the win condition from the codebook/notebook and the win condition that Joseph has do not coincide, but I wouldn't risk anything on that assumption.
Great. Well then I have a zero chance of doing anything for the rest of the game
I get the frustration, but unfortunately, we also cannot afford to lynch you, so you're going to have to stick around. It's not an ideal situation for you.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1811 on: May 19, 2020, 11:29:51 am »

OK, I have a lot (D1 at least) I want to reread at some point when I'm not working. Tonight or maybe tomorrow.

But I'm currently still on board with sudgy's dying thoughts. Not really believing faust right now.

Has ADK claimed any role yet? Now would be the time.

Joseph, I'm hoping to still figure out a way to get you a win with us. If we can't you might be kingmaker - will you side with town or scum?

eevee, more thoughts?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1812 on: May 19, 2020, 11:47:33 am »

I'm a generous townie. Pretty sure I established that
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1813 on: May 19, 2020, 12:09:18 pm »

@eevee, at the time you claimed yesterday, did you realize your claim would incriminate joth? You didn't vote for him until sudgy and I pointed it out.
I did not or I would have claimed the day before.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1814 on: May 19, 2020, 12:14:59 pm »

Our best odds at hitting scum are in the mail-mi - skip duo, maybe we should start there tonight?

Out of the rest, I think scola>ADK>faust for towniness.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1815 on: May 19, 2020, 01:32:36 pm »

Our best odds at hitting scum are in the mail-mi - skip duo, maybe we should start there tonight?

Out of the rest, I think scola>ADK>faust for towniness.
Interesting. My order is exactly the opposite.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1816 on: May 19, 2020, 02:00:51 pm »

Question to mail-mi and skip:

Do you think our lynch pool for today should be [mail-mi, skip] or [faust, ADK, scola]?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1817 on: May 19, 2020, 02:50:45 pm »

Question to mail-mi and skip:

Do you think our lynch pool for today should be [mail-mi, skip] or [faust, ADK, scola]?
I've not decided yet.

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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1818 on: May 19, 2020, 03:03:35 pm »

Question to mail-mi and skip:

Do you think our lynch pool for today should be [mail-mi, skip] or [faust, ADK, scola]?

If we are going with the second, you are still included, don't think you can sneak that past me.

I'm leaning toward the first cause while there might be a third scum sailor, Occam's razor says one of us is scum. But I'm not completely settled yet.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1819 on: May 19, 2020, 03:04:46 pm »

Also, everyone has posted and no one else has joined me on skip. This might be lylo (or Mylo) so that makes me feel just a little bit more confident in my vote there.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1820 on: May 19, 2020, 03:05:04 pm »

What did you do with your baseball cap?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1821 on: May 19, 2020, 03:08:43 pm »

What did you do with your baseball cap?

I'm holding onto it. I'm not sure what to do with it since no one has claimed a use for it and scum hasn't tried to steal it from me.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1822 on: May 19, 2020, 03:16:32 pm »

What did you do with your baseball cap?

I'm holding onto it. I'm not sure what to do with it since no one has claimed a use for it and scum hasn't tried to steal it from me.
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1823 on: May 19, 2020, 03:19:03 pm »

And the thought of confirming you actually have a baseball cap by giving it to somebody honestly hasn't crossed your mind?
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Re: BM30: MacGuffin Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1824 on: May 19, 2020, 03:28:53 pm »

Vote: mail-mi

Best odds at hitting scum in the duo, mail-mi I feel is scummier.
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