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[MiX]

Mine did not refer to the notebook using the word notebook.

I can confirm the reverse for skip too.

[scolapasta]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

[Joseph2302]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

[skip wooznum]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Why do you think LL is scum?

[skip wooznum]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

Same question.

[scolapasta]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Why do you think LL is scum?

Well, I'd still rather we vote for you today, but that didn't seem to be going anywhere.

There are a few reasons, which together added up enough, that it seemed like an acceptable 2nd choice:
• the self vote
• the 1v1 vs faust
• the  fact that I do currently read MiX as town, so am willing to sheep him, at least for a day

[sudgy]

All right, I'm just going to go through the whole game and say when people claimed things.  I also want to keep track of hints, so actual claims will be bolded, and hints will not.  I might have missed a few things, so let me know if I missed something.  I'll post thoughts about this in a future post, this is more of a data dump that others might find useful.

D1
#53: MiX thinks Didds knows something about his item [unknown] ("would you rather someone else have it")
#73: Didds goes along, saying someone she trusts should have it [unknown]
#87: Galzria claims to have money, and says he has no need of stuff
#97: MiX thinks Didds has his item, then next post abandons
#100: skip claims parts of his item (3 o's, 8 letters) [notebook]
#121: LaLight claims to not need anything
#122: Didds claims to need something with two words [unknown]
#136: LaLight thinks he has [pocket knife] what Didds needs [unknown]
#169: Joseph has toilet paper
#201: mail-mi claims to need one of {Blueberries, Rope, Camera, Glasses, Hat}
#207: Joseph claims to need one of {Chemicals, Statue, Golf balls, Smoothie maker, Nighlight}
#209: faust claims to need one of {Golden talisman, Scarf, Access card, Pickled fish, Rollerblades} [unknown]
#210: MiX's need [unknown] sticks out like a sore thumb
#242: skip claims that his item [Rope] is on another person's [mail-mi] list
#521: Swan claims to need one of {Driver's License, Inhaler, Wedding Ring, Sunscreen, Telescope} [unknown]
#287: skip claims that his item [Rope] is on mail-mi's list
#302: mail-mi claims to need the rope
#312: skip claims to need the rope
#376: MiX thinks that the sum of the letters in what he has [unknown] and needs [unknown] is around 9/10
#591: mail-mi claims to be a Sailor, a Jailkeeper when he has the rope
#594: mail-mi claims to have a baseball cap, and it does nothing for him
#623: Didds claims to not need the baseball cap
#707: skip claims to have the notebook
#728: Joth claims to need the notebook
#731: Awaclus claims to have an ugly hat that makes him hated
#752: Awaclus flips Compulsize Fruit Vendor
D2
#756: DatSwan flips Investigator (modified motion detector/tracker)
#760: Joth received notebook from skip, and started with a code book, which let him read the notebook
#762: Didds claims that someone [Joseph] stole the item [unknown] she was giving to MiX
#763: MiX, cryptic as ever, says he's better off without the item, then says we're in trouble
#775: Didds claims someone [LaLight] tried to trade with her [pocket knife]
#776: Scola sent an item [owl piece] to someone they thought was town [joth], even though they thought someone else [Joseph] might have needed it
#778: LaLight was the one who tried to trade with Didds [pocket knife]
#780: MiX was approached [faust] for a trade [possibly owl piece] and denied it
#781: LaLight says that Didds hinted at an item he has [pocket knife]
#782: The item LaLight offered [pocket knife] was not what Didds needed
#789: Didds thinks scum wouldn't start with the item she needs
#791: Didds did not receive any items
#792: Joseph received an item [owl head from sudgy]
#802: Galzria says that he thinks there's a scum version of his role [graverobber]
#805: sudgy basically claims to have given Joseph a part of something [owl head] that he thought would be useful for Joseph
#816: Joseph says that the item he received [owl head] was a piece of what he needs
#817: faust claims to have the same role as LaLight [pawnbroker]
#822: LaLight thinks that no one needs the item he has [pocket knife]
#826: faust targeted MiX for a trade [possibly owl piece]
#833: scola says they think their item is not doubled (unsure if this is the item they started with or the item they need)
#844: Eevee tried to give mail-mi the rope but the rope was stolen
#858: skip did send the notebook to joth, did not get the rope
#923: Joth started with another item [owl piece]
#938: LaLight fullclaims, as Pawnbroker, who can offer trades
#982: Joth claims to have a use for part of something metal [the owl]
#984: Joseph claims to have a use for the part of something metal [the owl] as well
#988: Didds still needs stuff [unknown]
#990: LaLight claims to not have the part of something metal [the owl]
#1007: Didds needs one thing, that is not metal or in parts [unknown]
#1009: Joseph claims that his thing links three of the things he posted, and is made of copper [the owl]
#1026: scola sent joth part of the metal item [the owl].
#1032: mail-mi did not give away an item
#1036: scola has no more items [erroneously false]
#1051: Didds doesn't need the baseball cap
#1215: Galzria flips Graverobber
D3
#1216: Didds flips Modified Doctor
#1226: LaLight didn't trade and instead gave his item to someone [sudgy] who didn't claim what they needed
#1229: LaLight gave a pocket knife [to sudgy], thought Didds needed it
#1273: Joseph claims third party with wincon of getting the owl, stole from Didds [unknown] N1, and from joth [owl piece] N2 (soon after claims he can steal, grave rob, or trade)
#1276: Joseph says that the item [unknown] from Didds didn't seem to fit for a Doctor
#1282: faust had a piece of the owl but it got stolen [by unknown]
#1295: Joseph says that he stole an owl piece from Joth
#1338: Joth says that the notebook talked about the person getting the owl pieces wins
#1359: Joth thinks that anybody can win with the owl pieces, not just Joseph
#1378: Joth gave the notebook to someone [unknown], plans on giving the codebook to that person (then decides not to after MiX says to)
#1403: sudgy confirms his previous claim that he gave Joseph an owl piece
#1411: LaLight gave the pocket knife to sudgy
#1419: ADK started with a magnifying glass, gave it to someone [scola] N1
#1423: Joth claims non-GT
#1447: Scola claims GT
#1449: Scola claims to have no items since N1 [erroneously false]
#1455: MiX claims to be very powerful
#1457: sudgy claims to be a GT
#1462: Joseph claims to still have the toilet paper
#1483: Mod confirmation that scola received the magnifying glass
#1498: sudgy claims the knife has a passive ability
#1531: sudgy claims that other than the owl head and the knife, nothing else happened with him

Question to Joseph: What three things on your list had to do with a copper owl?  Only the statue makes sense to me.
Question to faust: You listed items you needed, but you don't seem to need anything.  What was that all about?
Notable: a lot of people claimed to not need things.  This might be useful to know.
Notable: Joth is the only person to have claimed to start with two things.  Is this scummy?

[mail-mi]

I think for your question on Joth, it's pretty NAI, maybe slightly townie (if it's true) because from a mod perspective I wouldn't want to put too many items in scum's hands at the beginning of the game.

[MiX]

Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and from what I've seen).

Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?

[sudgy]

Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and from what I've seen).

Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?

Joth started with the code book and an owl piece.

[MiX]

Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and from what I've seen).

Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?

Joth started with the code book and an owl piece.

No: scola, faust and you started with owl pieces.

[sudgy]

Answering unknowns from sudgy: faust did try to trade me an owl piece, specifically the Wings, so we can name the individual owl pieces (there's a Head, Wings and from what I've seen).

Answering your real inquiries, joth didn't claim to start with 2 items, right?

Joth started with the code book and an owl piece.

No: scola, faust and you started with owl pieces.

Oh, I see, but joth still did claim to have another item:

Yes, I started with another item as well. Not likely to answer questions about what it was or whether I still have it. Suffice it to say it's unrelated to the codebook/notebook situation.

[sudgy]

I'm going to go through every player say everything that happened with them, and then try to think of a town narrative and a scum narrative for each player.

MiX: hints at a lot of power, but hasn't claimed anything.  Refused a trade from faust for possibly an owl piece N1.  Not really much to say here.

mail-mi: Everything on D1 with the rope, Eevee failed to give him the rope, and it seems he still has the baseball cap.  Everything makes sense as town.  As scum, things make a bit less sense, but scum could have just targeted Eevee to steal, and it seems like this is how it would be because it's how Joseph works.  In the end, I think it's NAI.

skip: The other sailor on D1, and gave the notebook to joth N1.  Unless they're scumbuddies (in which case they wouldn't coordinate in-thread), this makes more sense as town than as scum.  A power that involves the combination of two items seems powerful, so skip wouldn't want joth to get it as scum.  So, skip is town.

scola: Claimed GT, gave an owl piece to joth N1 (didn't want to give it to Joseph), received magnifying glass N1.  As scum, why would he give the owl piece away?  Again, like skip, scola is town.

LaLight: Claimed pawnbroker, tried to trade pocket knife with Didds N1, gave pocket knife to me N2.  Again, like the others, this seems more town.

Joth: Claimed non-GT, everything with the notebook and codebook.  As town, he's been not doing the best things (and even working for a non-town wincon at some points).  He doesn't really have anything making him look like town.  Granted, the same issues are present with a scum narrative, but it seems to make more sense to me as scum than as town.

faust: Claimed pawnbroker, had an owl piece, tried to trade it with MiX, then got stolen.  I could see this as either scum or town.

Joseph: Claimed third-party needing to get owl pieces, has been playing towards that goal, I believe him.

sudgy: Giving the owl piece to non-scum is more towny than scummy

ADK: Started with the magnifying glass and gave it to scola.  Giving is more towny, but there's nothing else here.

Eevee: Tried to give mail-mi the rope but got stolen.  Giving is more towny.

I would like to lynch in {MiX, mail-mi, joth, faust}, but could possibly lynch some others if we had to.

[MiX]

Lynching in my townblock? I don't like it.

We can go for PR-related lynches once we massclaim, which we probably should tomorrow.

[scolapasta]

Great summaries, will be useful to study.

But I'd like to clarify - While I was given the magnifying glass N1, it didn't arrive the next morning.

So it's not "false" erroneous or otherwise; it was delayed in shipment and didn't arrive at my hotel until middle of D3.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

Unannounced L-1, just like to point out

[MiX]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

Unannounced L-1, just like to point out

Oh no, the third-party is doing anti-town things to make us not lynch him today!

Can you hammer?

[scolapasta]

So, giving could be seen as town, makes sense. Especially with owl pieces, there's no reason to give those away as scum.

I guess one question I have is do scum need items?

I had assumed if they did, that those items would start with town. But now I could also see them starting with their partners items. Because if they give them directly, while powerful, also could be very suspicious.

For example, scum A gives scum b an item. We eventually lynch scum b, and learn their role and that the item they got seems elated. Now we would strongly suspect scum A. i.e. scum starting with a partner's scum item has cons that balance the pros.

[MiX]

So, giving could be seen as town, makes sense. Especially with owl pieces, there's no reason to give those away as scum.

I guess one question I have is do scum need items?

I had assumed if they did, that those items would start with town. But now I could also see them starting with their partners items. Because if they give them directly, while powerful, also could be very suspicious.

For example, scum A gives scum b an item. We eventually lynch scum b, and learn their role and that the item they got seems elated. Now we would strongly suspect scum A. i.e. scum starting with a partner's scum item has cons that balance the pros.

They either coordinate publicly, and then A can be town, or privately, and then we never know A had the item.

If scum needs stuff, it's most likely from town anyway.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

Unannounced L-1, just like to point out

Oh no, the third-party is doing anti-town things to make us not lynch him today!

Can you hammer?

Maybe. Let me look back at LaLight

[skip wooznum]

Let's not make this another frantic last minute lynch.

All move to lalight

vote:lalight

Vote: LL

Unannounced L-1, just like to point out

Oh no, the third-party is doing anti-town things to make us not lynch him today!

Can you hammer?

Is this really L-1?

That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.

[MiX]

Is this really L-1?

That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.

Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...

There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.

I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.

[skip wooznum]

Is this really L-1?

That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.

Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...

There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.

I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.

Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.

[MiX]

Is this really L-1?

That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.

Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...

There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.

I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.

Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.

If there aren't 4 baddies, then it couldn't be MyLo, so...

[skip wooznum]

Is this really L-1?

That at least means this is not mylo, or LL is scum.

Yes, it is. I was tempted to bold that so ash could hammer...

There would have to be 4 scum and Joseph be third-party for this to be MyLo...which I guess is possible. So, yeah, this should show that LL is scum.

I'm going to be so upset if LL flips town.

Personally I highly doubt there's four baddies.

If there aren't 4 baddies, then it couldn't be MyLo, so...

Right. I was mainly posting this in response to you saying earlier in the day that it was likely mylo.