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[MiX]

Scum stole from you without knowing what you had. You think they're BOTH scum? I think everything makes sense: there's a 3-piece item that makes someone win, except there's 1 third-party with the tools to do this, as town doesn't have enough power and scum won't coordinate to do this. Everything seems fine.

I feel like you assumed I was scum when making this theory.

No, on second thought it's perfectly reasonable that scum has an item Cop.

And knew what the owl did, and knew what you had, and decided to steal the owl knowing that they would need the 2 other pieces? Other than anything else?

Well, I highly doubt it.

[jotheonah]

I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.

[MiX]

I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.

Joth who are you giving the codebook to and how can we organize it without telling scum?

Also, do we care that scum knows, best they can do is kill them or learn nothing.

This is probably a misplay but I prefer claiming things to not.

Also sudgy and ADK are both scum.

[jotheonah]

I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.

Joth who are you giving the codebook to and how can we organize it without telling scum?

Also, do we care that scum knows, best they can do is kill them or learn nothing.

This is probably a misplay but I prefer claiming things to not.

Also sudgy and ADK are both scum.

There is no reason to say. I gave the notebook to someone last night. I will be giving the codebook to that same person tonight.

[MiX]

I was playing to a non-town wincon yesterday, I'll admit. But not an anti-town one. And that's an important distinction. At the point when I realized pursuit of the owl would veer into anti-town I gave it up.

Joth who are you giving the codebook to and how can we organize it without telling scum?

Also, do we care that scum knows, best they can do is kill them or learn nothing.

This is probably a misplay but I prefer claiming things to not.

Also sudgy and ADK are both scum.

There is no reason to say. I gave the notebook to someone last night. I will be giving the codebook to that same person tonight.

My suggestion is don't.

Sorry.

[jotheonah]

Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.

I feel silly for not thinking of that.

[MiX]

Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.

I feel silly for not thinking of that.

You should.

So, what now?

[jotheonah]

Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.

I feel silly for not thinking of that.

You should.

So, what now?

I guess there's no reason not to coordinate. It's a pretty poor use of a NK for scum. Who do you townread hard?

[MiX]

Oh, I think I see what's going on. Ah-ha. Hmmm.

I feel silly for not thinking of that.

You should.

So, what now?

I guess there's no reason not to coordinate. It's a pretty poor use of a NK for scum. Who do you townread hard?

faust. Also he needs to learn the truth.

[faust]

And knew what the owl did, and knew what you had, and decided to steal the owl knowing that they would need the 2 other pieces? Other than anything else?

Well, I highly doubt it.

Hm, otherwise they stole from me blindly, knowing that I had an item I don't need, and you don't need. It's possible I suppose, but it is quite the coincidence.

[LaLight]

I am lost, confused and feel like MiX has bad reads, but dominted the discussion and I can either sheep him or fruitlessly try to convince people to do something else.

[Joseph2302]

And knew what the owl did, and knew what you had, and decided to steal the owl knowing that they would need the 2 other pieces? Other than anything else?

Well, I highly doubt it.

Hm, otherwise they stole from me blindly, knowing that I had an item I don't need, and you don't need. It's possible I suppose, but it is quite the coincidence.

Damn, so scum has the third owl piece

[MiX]

I am lost, confused and feel like MiX has bad reads, but dominted the discussion and I can either sheep him or fruitlessly try to convince people to do something else.

If only I defended 3 of the 4 known town, right?

Do you think faust is scum, even after knowing he was robbed?

[LaLight]

I am lost, confused and feel like MiX has bad reads, but dominted the discussion and I can either sheep him or fruitlessly try to convince people to do something else.

If only I defended 3 of the 4 known town, right?

Do you think faust is scum, even after knowing he was robbed?

yes, I think he lies about being robbed to maybe paint you red, can it be possible?

[MiX]

We also need to hear SOMETHING from sudgy or ADK, because scum are the ones that say absolutely nothing about themselves.

I presume both of them are scum, but I have nothing to attack them with other than this.

We can go over another "why is everyone town", this time in order:

Eevee: Had the rope, if scum has the rope why would they claim that? And if they're scum, so is faust, and they would both have to lie about being robbed. This is very unlikely.

faust: Was robbed. We know there's 2 thieves because of Eevee and Didds both claiming that D2, and now we have a third-party claiming one of them. This means there's a scum thief. Now, they either did nothing, which I doubt, or they stole from faust, which makes him not mafia. I also don't think there can be any other third-party with Joseph telling the truth, as they could easily try to get the owl anyway. Thus faust has to be town.

Joseph: Claimed non-town, so he's not mafia. Besides, I want my item, and I think he's telling the truth about forgetting he could give it to me. Worst case scenario scum has to fakeclaim to have it been robbed, best case scenario scum has to steal it while town gets to do other things. Win-win in my book. Let's not lynch him.

MiX: Didds has my item, scum stole from faust, why would they steal an owl piece? They have no usage for it. This tells me scum didn't know what it was, which means I'm town. You can entertain the idea that town having what I need is very amusing, but on the other hand when I claim you'll see why this would be bad design if I had my power as scum.

Joth: Gave me the notebook if you didn't notice, told the truth about the owl, tried to get the owl for himself which is strictly anti-scum if he's scum.

So, who's left?

mail-mi/skip: One of these is town, sure, but not the other one. Mail-mi claimed to have a baseball cap, but I presume no one needs it, as I haven't heard anything about it since. So...what gives? Fakeclaim? Skip gave the codebook, but that's an item I think scum could easily have, as all it does is give information about a third-party. One of them is being a jailkeeper, so we should somehow find out which is scum.

LaLight: Second pawnbroker, had a piece of the owl alongside scola and faust, I don't think they can all be town. The self vote and intentional 1v1 on faust tells me they aren't playing for a town win.

scola: Claimed to have an owl piece, but nothing else. Can easily be scum laying low, although at least they said something.

sudgy/ADK: Claimed nothing, I presume one of these is the scum graverobber, waiting to get something from the grave to know what to claim, especially since we have no idea what Swan had.

Preferred action of the day: have sudgy/ADK claim something, then look into mail-mi and skip to see who's scum. Maybe have a scola fullclaim as I really don't like his day play from what I can remember.

We also need more talk about people and not just those that talk the most. Today's been about Joseph, but he's not the lynch. So let's focus elsewhere.

[LaLight]

I didn't have any pieces of owl, where did you get this info?

[MiX]

I didn't have any pieces of owl, where did you get this info?

Oh must've confused you with someone else. You had the knife, forgot.

Then who had the third piece?

Joseph, can you claim which pieces you have?

Also:

Who had what Didds needed?

And I'm sure I asked the same but for Swan.

[MiX]

I like ADK's plan. I'll start. We're listing items we need right?

Blueberries
Rope
Camera
Glasses
Hat

Can you explain your though process on making these fake items?

[MiX]

Rereading D1, scum's sudgy/skip/LL I think.

Also wrong!LL is scum!LL, look at Hunger Games to know why.

[MiX]

@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?

Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.

How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?

Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.

[scolapasta]

@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?

Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.

How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?

Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.

Not faust, but for my piece, it was described as a part of a bird, nor which bird specifically. I'm guessing whoever had the head knew it was an owl.

[MiX]

@faust, are you also talking about an owl piece too?

Dunno if it's an owl, I just know it's for some kind of bird. It got stolen from me last night. MiX was the only person who knew I had it.

How did you not know it was for an owl? What DID you know?

Whoever doesn't want me to make 1 post per quote+question, just say so.

Not faust, but for my piece, it was described as a part of a bird, nor which bird specifically. I'm guessing whoever had the head knew it was an owl.

Awkward. What part of the bird was it?

[MiX]

My scumread on LL is giving way to sudgy/skip scumteam. sudgy defends skip all day and pushes mislynches.

Vote: skip and I'd like a claim from sudgy in their next post.

[skip wooznum]

So the story with the owl is:

Joseph started the game with piece A, still has it.
Scola started the game with piece B, gave it to joth N1, stolen by Joseph N2.
Faust started the game with piece C, offered to trade with mix N1 (mix declined), stolen by unknown N2.

Is this an accurate and complete account?

[MiX]

So the story with the owl is:

Joseph started the game with piece A, still has it.
Scola started the game with piece B, gave it to joth N1, stolen by Joseph N2.
Faust started the game with piece C, offered to trade with mix N1 (mix declined), stolen by unknown N2.

Is this an accurate and complete account?

Joseph started with a piece? I guess that makes sense balance-wise.

Who's scum?