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[Glooble]

Ok, I think it's time.

Mystery Cop is joth.

...

Do you want us to move?

I'm fairly certain scum made the QT. Did anyone claim to make it?

doesnt glooble know who did it?

I do.

[MiX]

Aww.

So should we unvote joth or...? Do all cops need to be town?

[Greathallscout]

Anyone have any ideas how lalight and joth could both be telling the truth? Only thing I can think of is: a power that I am not aware of exists.

[Glooble]

Aww.

So should we unvote joth or...? Do all cops need to be town?

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, I just don't see why scum!joth gives me the alerter. Towncred, I guess. But if he didn't know he'd be getting the QT I don't see how that lines up.

[Greathallscout]

Aww.

So should we unvote joth or...? Do all cops need to be town?

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, I just don't see why scum!joth gives me the alerter. Towncred, I guess. But if he didn't know he'd be getting the QT I don't see how that lines up.

Why does the QT add anything? he could just claim it?

[Greathallscout]

Just going through some lying scenarios. These are just a few I was contemplating.

For these I am assuming joth DID give glooble the alerter since it pans out pretty well assuming glooble didn't tell joth about it before joth admited to it (I guess scum!joth could have known from his teamates but I am assuming not.)

If this is true then joth is very likely a lightweaver. Town!joth for sure is. Scum!joth lightweaver would lie about alignment inverter. I dont see him lying about elsecaller's known abilities. As I am writing this I realize I don't know elsecaller's order power that he could lie about...

Scenario 1- Scum!joth gives glooble the alerter, changes hypercube's alignment and lies about copping faust.
             
                (GHS's true!result would be faust and hyper are NOT the same alignment.)

Why would scum!joth target hyper and lie about it if there are so many watchers in the game and potentially more types of watchertype roles? Seems so risky. Also he could've told glooble that he copped hyper for the same money and protected himself.


Scenario 2- Scum!Lalight (probably not lying about skybreaker because he told us the order power) lied about watching hypercube or that joth targeted hyper.

Lalight confirmed GHS's and Rhand's targeting after those 2 claimed. Scum!skybreaker didn't drain stormlight because of tracker worries. There isn't much to do at this point if you aren't draining. So I guess the play is to get towncred for doing towny things? Why would they get into a fight so early? We might lynch him and a scum!vig is really strong. Maybe he feels confident at this point that joth looks scummier(which seems like a valid assumption). But then what? We lynch joth then we lynch lalight? I guess he could use his vig tonight then and call it a successful scum move to lynch joth and get a kill at night...

Gonna sleep on these and more options. curious as to others thoughts.

[faust]

Aww.

So should we unvote joth or...? Do all cops need to be town?

Obviously not, as scum needs alignment inverters.

[Rhand]

Can confirm that Dibbs targeted MiX.

Can someone list the inventions and what they actually do? My hungover brain doesn’t store information well.

[Rhand]

Let's gather everything up.

Copping
chairs targets MiX -> non-town.
GHS targets faust + hypercube -> same alignment
Mystery Cop targets faust -> town
Didds targets MiX -> non-town

Inventions
Didds gives painrial to MiX
Someone gives Alerter to Glooble

Inventions or Neighborizing?
Someone gives QT to Glooble/Mystery Cop

Watching and Alerter
faust targets someone, result does not help here.
Rhand targets MiX successfully (saw chairs + others)
hypercube targets Eddie and is blocked
LaLight targets hypercube successfully (saw Rhand, GHS + X)
Glooble's Alerter says Didds, Mystery Cop + 2X

Roleblocking
Rhand targets hypercube

Wasn’t scolapasta copped by someone?

[Jimmmmm]

@Jim I didn't miss your going to bed post and I don't think I misrepresented it. I acknowledged that you ending the day with your vote on EFHW was points against you being her partner. But I felt that the rest of your posts fit my narrative well enough that it was still worth a vote. Then I explained that perhaps the reason for parking your vote is that you meant to come back and switch it but didn't, either because you were asleep (as you said deadline timing was bad for you) or because at the time you checked in you calculated that maintaining the bus was the better cost-benefit analysis.

SOrry if I didn't explain that well, I was trying to post coherent thoughts at the end of a long day and a 51-page re-read.

Is your theory that I planned to change it before I went to bed (still several hours before deadline) or to get up at say 4:30am for it? I don't have anywhere near the commitment level to this game to do the latter.

[Swowl]

I said there would be input from me. There will be. I just finished an extremely long re read and it is like 130am here, so post will have to wait for the morning. sorry.

[faust]

Let's gather everything up.

Copping
chairs targets MiX -> non-town.
GHS targets faust + hypercube -> same alignment
Mystery Cop targets faust -> town
Didds targets MiX -> non-town

Inventions
Didds gives painrial to MiX
Someone gives Alerter to Glooble

Inventions or Neighborizing?
Someone gives QT to Glooble/Mystery Cop

Watching and Alerter
faust targets someone, result does not help here.
Rhand targets MiX successfully (saw chairs + others)
hypercube targets Eddie and is blocked
LaLight targets hypercube successfully (saw Rhand, GHS + X)
Glooble's Alerter says Didds, Mystery Cop + 2X

Roleblocking
Rhand targets hypercube

Wasn’t scolapasta copped by someone?

LaLight followed scolapasta. At the time I wrote this, it wasn't yet clear what exactly LaLight had done.

[LaLight]

Why would scum!joth target hyper and lie about it if there are so many watchers in the game and potentially more types of watchertype roles?

Target to alignment invert, so we lynch town and strip the other town of their abilities.

Lying about it, because he didn't know hyper was watched and already claimed to Glooble at that point. Would be weird to say after my claim "oh yeah, I targeted hyper too"

[LaLight]

if joth would be redirected, all of his actions would be redirected. I just don't believe him, Mystery Cop or not.

Actually, being Mystery Cop is an amazing opportunity for towncred.

[LaLight]

in other news I had a dream, that Voltaire was an IC in the game and he had two vengeful shots, we lynched him to kill MiX and Eddie, MiX was a normal survivor and Eddie was modified survivor, but I don't know how modified

[LaLight]

It might do something with the fact that I currently reread Toy Story (Voltaire was an IC there)

[hypercube]

So, potential scenarios:

1. joth and LL are both telling the truth, joth was redirected onto me.

I don't think we have any information that contradicts this, although we lack a motive. In this case I suppose joth's cop result would really be from me, instead of faust. joth should probably claim everything else he did last night to see if we can confirm it somehow.

2. joth is lying and targeted me.

In this case he has to be scum, since I don't see why town would lie. Things he could have targeted me with include roleblocker (makes sense), alignment inverter (makes less sense but it's possible scum tries to frame me), or some negative utility invention (does one of those exist?). I don't understand why scum!joth would lie about targeting me though, seems easy to claim that he targeted me with some towny action instead.

Also, as far as I knew faust was planning on watching me last night, so it doesn't make any sense for scum!joth to have targeted scum!me last night without having some claim ready for why he'd target me.

3. LL is lying and joth didn't target me.

This would straightforwardly be an attempt to get mislynches through. I don't think we have any confirmation that LL actually watched me, since Rhand and GHS already claimed to have targeted me when LL said he watched me.

[faust]

joth wasn't redirected, or otherwise LaLight would have seen the redirector target hypercube.

[Jimmmmm]

LaLight re-read #2. Last time I concluded he was mildly scummy for not having good reasons for his scumread on Glooble.

i scumread Glooble, because his posts feel like posts for the sake of posts, not really doing anything

hos first posts were like too serious for rvs, but without meaningful content. that's what i usually do when I am scum, I feel the urge to just not post, when it's 18 people in a game, but oh well, I need to post at least something. so, what's the biggest deal? oh, Eddie's weirdness

This is probably fine and enough to promote LL to null; Glooble not being an IC seems too long ago to really be relevant now anyway.

I don't see this as a scumslip per se.

if Glooble isn't happening, I'd vote: Eddie then.

i guess faust is town. the last two times i correctly read him as scum, so there's something. I think I maybe would be willing to vote for oh man

pretty much everyone, except couple of people. I feel strongly only about Eddie, chairs or MiX.

Nothing to say about these, but stances are always worth noting.

vote: EFHW

Galzria lynch is a bad lynch, that's what I think. Same with chairs. EFHW is fine though

@lallight What did EFHW do that you think is scummy? I see nothing.

she's just not townie enough unlike the alternatives

Non-Mafia points for contributing to the EFHW lynch.


And Today's posts are mostly about claims and Night Actions. I think participation in the EFHW lynch is enough for a mild-moderate Town read, and I don't see any reason to downgrade that.

My conclusion on scola is that I find him scummy, but the LL claim is a big enough asterisk that I would be hesitant to lynch him without more of a resolution to that.

It seems that the obvious next place to look is joth.

[Jimmmmm]

joth wasn't redirected, or otherwise LaLight would have seen the redirector target hypercube.

Unless they were a Ninja?

[MiX]

joth wasn't redirected, or otherwise LaLight would have seen the redirector target hypercube.

Unless they were a Ninja?

Which order has redirection?

[jotheonah]

The Lightweaver Order special power might be relavent here. It’s not just a hider, it’s a modified hider. We can disguise ourselves as another player and attempts to target us target the player we disguise ourselves instead.

So if hyper is a Lightweaver who lied about his order, that could explain the redirect. That seems really unlikely because of he and Faust’s QT though.

The other reason I mention that power is that I find it suspicious that when Didds was asked about our order’s special power she just said “Hider”. Why does town need to keep the rest of that role to themselves? I definitely understand why scum would.

Unfortunately I couldn’t point it out at the time without claiming.

[hypercube]

joth wasn't redirected, or otherwise LaLight would have seen the redirector target hypercube.

Unless they were a Ninja?

Which order has redirection?

EFHW claimed that Willshapers did.

[jotheonah]

You should definitely believe that I am a light caller regardless of my alignment. So I am a cop who has a QT with the IC for the rest of the day. I also have sufficient storm light to cop again, even without a high storm. And I’m perfectly willing to let Glooble direct my night actions. So there is a lot of extra downside to lynching me tonight, above and beyond the fact that I’m town.

Vote: LaLight

[hypercube]

The Lightweaver Order special power might be relavent here. It’s not just a hider, it’s a modified hider. We can disguise ourselves as another player and attempts to target us target the player we disguise ourselves instead.

You should know if it's relevant or not. Did you target Didds?