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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1750 on: June 16, 2020, 01:47:47 am »

I have additional evidence to suggest that faust is town.

Care to reveal or is it better to hold on to for now?

All I can say is there is a player with an investigative power who investigated faust and found him to be town, and said player found a way to transmit that information to me so as to share the result without outing themself. The player could be lying, but I trust them. Faust could have been alignment inverted, but its not terribly likely.
Why anyone would pick me as an investigation target is beyond me.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1751 on: June 16, 2020, 01:54:38 am »

”I’m here.”
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1752 on: June 16, 2020, 02:05:24 am »

I have additional evidence to suggest that faust is town.

Care to reveal or is it better to hold on to for now?

All I can say is there is a player with an investigative power who investigated faust and found him to be town, and said player found a way to transmit that information to me so as to share the result without outing themself. The player could be lying, but I trust them. Faust could have been alignment inverted, but its not terribly likely.
Why anyone would pick me as an investigation target is beyond me.

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1753 on: June 16, 2020, 02:07:23 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1754 on: June 16, 2020, 02:16:49 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.

so as I imagine you are not arguing that your alignment was inverted and you are actually skum....
You think whoever is telling eddie is lying for cred?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1755 on: June 16, 2020, 02:19:47 am »

Trust doesn't exist in my profession.

Vote: MiX

I believe this helps town.
This doesn’t add up. If you are a survivor, your only wincon is to not die.
How can you be ok with your lynch / getting vigged?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1756 on: June 16, 2020, 02:26:25 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.

so as I imagine you are not arguing that your alignment was inverted and you are actually skum....
You think whoever is telling eddie is lying for cred?

This has nothing to do with Eddie. GHS claimed to have modified-cop’ed Hyper/faust, getting the result that they are of the same alignment.

Faust’s comment is merely pointing out that choosing him as an investigation target in a game with alignment inversion as a possible mechanic doesn’t seem the best, as he may very well be a good target for such inversion.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1757 on: June 16, 2020, 02:30:17 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.

so as I imagine you are not arguing that your alignment was inverted and you are actually skum....
You think whoever is telling eddie is lying for cred?

This has nothing to do with Eddie. GHS claimed to have modified-cop’ed Hyper/faust, getting the result that they are of the same alignment.

Faust’s comment is merely pointing out that choosing him as an investigation target in a game with alignment inversion as a possible mechanic doesn’t seem the best, as he may very well be a good target for such inversion.

ok fair. I thought eddie said someone else claimed to of copped faust and got town though? is that not right?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1758 on: June 16, 2020, 02:31:20 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.

so as I imagine you are not arguing that your alignment was inverted and you are actually skum....
You think whoever is telling eddie is lying for cred?

This has nothing to do with Eddie. GHS claimed to have modified-cop’ed Hyper/faust, getting the result that they are of the same alignment.

Faust’s comment is merely pointing out that choosing him as an investigation target in a game with alignment inversion as a possible mechanic doesn’t seem the best, as he may very well be a good target for such inversion.

ok fair. I thought eddie said someone else claimed to of copped faust and got town though? is that not right?

Glooble said that he has reason to believe faust is Town.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1759 on: June 16, 2020, 02:36:16 am »

Let's be honest, there probably aren't many people who are confident in their ability to read you, so you are kind of a default investigation target because of your rep, especially with how EoD went in this case. But of course, I wasn't the one who did it, so I don't know what they were thinking. You wouldn't have been my first choice to cop there due to my memory of town!you being a frequent N1 kill, but maybe people have been softening on that a bit the last couple years.
Exactly - I'm the default target. And there are alignment inverters. I understand people who still think I could be scum, but even if they do, investigating me is still terrible because the result is much less conclusive than if you investigate a low-profile player.

so as I imagine you are not arguing that your alignment was inverted and you are actually skum....
You think whoever is telling eddie is lying for cred?

This has nothing to do with Eddie. GHS claimed to have modified-cop’ed Hyper/faust, getting the result that they are of the same alignment.

Faust’s comment is merely pointing out that choosing him as an investigation target in a game with alignment inversion as a possible mechanic doesn’t seem the best, as he may very well be a good target for such inversion.

ok fair. I thought eddie said someone else claimed to of copped faust and got town though? is that not right?

Glooble said that he has reason to believe faust is Town.

well then nvm. this is hard to keep track of.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1760 on: June 16, 2020, 04:26:52 am »

There is also the fact that our QT conversations have me a little suspicious, hyper seemed very fine with sharing information about who he's targeting when town I think would have been more suspicious there. And the results he has are extremely convenient.

If you think I could be lying about the results I may as well claim them, I watched Eddie last night and got no result.

Given that I didn't have any particular reason to think you were scum (especially after EFHW flipped), I don't think that telling you who I was going to target was particularly risky. The chances of you being scum and that the knowledge of who I'd target would change the NK target are pretty slim, I think we gain more by coordinating
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1761 on: June 16, 2020, 04:40:17 am »

Sorry my internet stinks right now because i just moved.

I'd really like these people who think that im scummy to say why.

AND- Faust and Hypercube have the same allignment. so if glooble's informant didnt lie- then I guess they are are both town without inverters and bus drivers.

Unsure why a person with the modified cop ability wouldn't have targeted me. You know, to turn it into a regular cop ability?

vote: GHS "I know these two people's alignments are the same" seems like an easy thing for scum to claim, especially if they're trying to avoid claiming normal cop.

He also avoided voting for EFHW until Rhand moved his vote and it was clear she was going to be lynched.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1762 on: June 16, 2020, 04:44:00 am »

GHS - what is your order, and what is your order's special power?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1763 on: June 16, 2020, 06:58:55 am »

vote: faust. Self-preservation, obviously.
she left the hyper wagon when it had 4 votes, to be the second vote on another wagon. True self-preservation would be to try and keep the main counter-wagon alive.

At this point the hyper wagon wasn't viable.

Trust doesn't exist in my profession.

Vote: MiX

I believe this helps town.
This doesn’t add up. If you are a survivor, your only wincon is to not die.
How can you be ok with your lynch / getting vigged?

Because town is discussing how best to vig me during the day. What can I do to stop that? Nothing. So why play at all?

There is also the fact that our QT conversations have me a little suspicious, hyper seemed very fine with sharing information about who he's targeting when town I think would have been more suspicious there. And the results he has are extremely convenient.

If you think I could be lying about the results I may as well claim them, I watched Eddie last night and got no result.

Given that I didn't have any particular reason to think you were scum (especially after EFHW flipped), I don't think that telling you who I was going to target was particularly risky. The chances of you being scum and that the knowledge of who I'd target would change the NK target are pretty slim, I think we gain more by coordinating

You could've picked someone that had an above zero chance of getting NK'd, you know.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1764 on: June 16, 2020, 07:02:12 am »

Looks like the list of re-reads I need to do has been significantly reduced; it seems like I don't need to do one for Glooble, faust, MiX or Eddie. First one tomorrow!
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1765 on: June 16, 2020, 08:47:22 am »

Ok, so:

[Mysterious cop] investigated faust, got town
GHS mod. copped faust and hypercube, got same alignment

Possibilities:

-Both are town, no alignment inverters
-Both are scum, both got alignment inverted
-One is town and one is scum, one got alignment inverted
-GHS/Mysterious cop is scum, in which case we know nothing
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1766 on: June 16, 2020, 09:10:17 am »

[Mysterious cop] investigated faust, got town
Not that I don't like to be ICed, but we don't know that the result on me here was a Cop result. Maybe I just did some amazingly townie-looking targeting tonight. (I did.)
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1767 on: June 16, 2020, 09:12:17 am »

Possibilities:

-Both are town, no alignment inverters
-Both are scum, both got alignment inverted
-One is town and one is scum, one got alignment inverted
-GHS/Mysterious cop is scum, in which case we know nothing
I like how you list two options where one of 2 players is scum, but the latter qualifies as "we know nothing" and the former doesn't.
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« Reply #1768 on: June 16, 2020, 09:21:50 am »

Possibilities:

-Both are town, no alignment inverters
-Both are scum, both got alignment inverted
-One is town and one is scum, one got alignment inverted
-GHS/Mysterious cop is scum, in which case we know nothing
I like how you list two options where one of 2 players is scum, but the latter qualifies as "we know nothing" and the former doesn't.

Bullet point four was just sort of a reminder/footnote that just because someone has claimed a result doesn't mean we can trust them. I suppose I could expand to include more options:

-GHS is lying but MC isn't, in which case faust is town but hyper could be either alignment
-MC is lying but GHS isn't, in which case faust is scum and so is hyper (barring inversions)
-Both are lying, in which case we really don't know anything (except that GHS and MC are probably not town-aligned)
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1769 on: June 16, 2020, 09:35:54 am »

Who is MC?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1771 on: June 16, 2020, 09:56:17 am »

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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1773 on: June 16, 2020, 10:35:33 am »

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At this point, yeah.

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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #1774 on: June 16, 2020, 11:10:14 am »

Eddie.

Give me one reason to not tell me everything.
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