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[WestCoastDidds]

Oops. Right. Nevermind then.

@Dylan I do not have the information that he said he has.

So did you not cooperate?

No, I did not tell him order. I did tell him my house, though.

[Glooble]

People keep saying “Eddie’s third party, not scum”.

Do we have any evidence of that beyond Eddie’s word?

Now that we know people can have additional powers beyond their order I’m inclined to think Eddie is just scum fishing for as many town claims as possible.

Vote: Eddie

[hypercube]

Oops. Right. Nevermind then.

@Dylan I do not have the information that he said he has.

So did you not cooperate?

No, I did not tell him order. I did tell him my house, though.

Why did you summon him again after the first conversation?

[MiX]

People keep saying “Eddie’s third party, not scum”.

Do we have any evidence of that beyond Eddie’s word?

Now that we know people can have additional powers beyond their order I’m inclined to think Eddie is just scum fishing for as many town claims as possible.

Vote: Eddie

There is absolutely zero way Uncle would try to claim a third-party as a way to survive in f.ds. You have my word. That is completely impossible.

I have other reasons to trust Uncle as well, but as evidence of the above statement, the only word I need to say is RMM55. The rest's just trusting that I've gotten to know Uncle over time.

[jotheonah]

The main problem with this is you give scum all the data to find the most effective nightkill. It's better to talk about who you think is scummy, but it's still very good to think about who's towny.

How is your vig claim idea not the exact middle ground of what you are saying is bad here?

Also, I just don't get the utility of your claim-vig idea here. I get the part where skum is boxed out because they claim not vig... but then why not just make it a "claim not vig" plan? why out the vig?

There's really no difference between these two other than efficiency.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oops. Right. Nevermind then.

@Dylan I do not have the information that he said he has.

So did you not cooperate?

No, I did not tell him order. I did tell him my house, though.

Why did you summon him again after the first conversation?

Our conversation got cut short the first time because I assumed it was an ongoing qt (it’s not) and it got locked before I had responded to him. So, I asked some questions in the thread about if people thought he was being silly or scummy with the knave-talk, then decided that I’d go ahead and chat with him.

PPE: 2

[faust]

But maybe I understand what information I have differently? I for sure didn’t understand why folks were saying that if they were town, they should have told Eddie everything he wanted to know.  Now, I wasn’t informed about his potential shift, but still, it seems antithetical to how we normally play to just share everything with someone because they ask.

The point is that Dylan was only asked for information he already shared in here.

[hypercube]

vote: Didds

[Rhand]

But maybe I understand what information I have differently? I for sure didn’t understand why folks were saying that if they were town, they should have told Eddie everything he wanted to know.  Now, I wasn’t informed about his potential shift, but still, it seems antithetical to how we normally play to just share everything with someone because they ask.

The point is that Dylan was only asked for information he already shared in here.

Apart from his alignment if he’s mafia.

[jotheonah]

vote: MiX

too many almost kinda pseudo scumslips. In a setup this complicated, scum has a lot of info, presumably, just based on sharing power info with each other. Town also has a lot of info just based on that huge setup post. So I can really see a scum player getting MiXed up (pun intended) and saying things that they thought were common knowledge but aren't.

If you reread MiX you see him making weird assumptions about how much stuff costs, alluding to a stealing service that we don't know exists, the thing about scum having extra powers Dylan pointed out in #312, etc.

And MiX has a town OR scum meta (not to mention a human nature) that doesn't exactly allow him to lie low.

[MiX]

Thieving service is obviously the protection program. It's a Service, and it stops Thieving. So it's a Thieving Service. Not my fault that sounds reversed, I mean what else could I be talking about?

(Almost) Everything costs at least 15...so I just assumed the Reporter thing did.

What's #312, phone posting.

What's that last line about?

[Rhand]

vote: MiX

too many almost kinda pseudo scumslips. In a setup this complicated, scum has a lot of info, presumably, just based on sharing power info with each other. Town also has a lot of info just based on that huge setup post. So I can really see a scum player getting MiXed up (pun intended) and saying things that they thought were common knowledge but aren't.

If you reread MiX you see him making weird assumptions about how much stuff costs, alluding to a stealing service that we don't know exists, the thing about scum having extra powers Dylan pointed out in #312, etc.

And MiX has a town OR scum meta (not to mention a human nature) that doesn't exactly allow him to lie low.

I was worried when he claimed that 15 cost for the reporting too, but then Dylan stepped in and said that 15 was wrong, so it’s not tmi.

[faust]

But maybe I understand what information I have differently? I for sure didn’t understand why folks were saying that if they were town, they should have told Eddie everything he wanted to know.  Now, I wasn’t informed about his potential shift, but still, it seems antithetical to how we normally play to just share everything with someone because they ask.

The point is that Dylan was only asked for information he already shared in here.

Apart from his alignment if he’s mafia.

I mean, according to Didds Eddie did not ask about alignment.

[MiX]

Oh is #312 about how there's surges with powers that are anti-town and thus scum are the only ones that use them? Yeah no one could've seen that except scum. I love alignment inverting as town, cops should ba insane, waymore fun.

How the hell is this not NAI.

PPE: Productive question I'm sure.

[Glooble]

The 15 assumption is the scummy part. I didn't point it out because I assumed Dylan had said it cost 15 and I'd just missed it. But there's powers in the setup point that only cost 5, so it is a weird assumption to make.

I'm okay with vote: MiX

[WestCoastDidds]

But maybe I understand what information I have differently? I for sure didn’t understand why folks were saying that if they were town, they should have told Eddie everything he wanted to know.  Now, I wasn’t informed about his potential shift, but still, it seems antithetical to how we normally play to just share everything with someone because they ask.

The point is that Dylan was only asked for information he already shared in here.

He clearly had something different going on in his conversation than he did with me, or maybe with MiX. He didn't say anything about his alignment changing to mine if I told him or anything even close to that. So, I can just tell you what he told me.  But based on his repeated attempts to get Dylan to check his qt, he was fairly impatient to talk to Dylan so perhaps knowing his order was more than he got from me or MiX. 

Also, this was all happening in knave-speak so its not exactly straightforward.

[faust]

The 15 assumption is the scummy part. I didn't point it out because I assumed Dylan had said it cost 15 and I'd just missed it. But there's powers in the setup point that only cost 5, so it is a weird assumption to make.

I'm okay with vote: MiX

You said why it's a weird assumption to make, but why is it a scummy one?

[Glooble]

The 15 assumption is the scummy part. I didn't point it out because I assumed Dylan had said it cost 15 and I'd just missed it. But there's powers in the setup point that only cost 5, so it is a weird assumption to make.

I'm okay with vote: MiX

You said why it's a weird assumption to make, but why is it a scummy one?

Because if there's a scum dustbringer, and MiX is scum, MiX would be likely to know exactly what that ability costs.

But then I guess he would have gotten it right, not wrong.

Okay, back to

vote: Eddie

[cayvie]

request prod on Greathallscout, it's been 3 days

[jotheonah]

vote: MiX

too many almost kinda pseudo scumslips. In a setup this complicated, scum has a lot of info, presumably, just based on sharing power info with each other. Town also has a lot of info just based on that huge setup post. So I can really see a scum player getting MiXed up (pun intended) and saying things that they thought were common knowledge but aren't.

If you reread MiX you see him making weird assumptions about how much stuff costs, alluding to a stealing service that we don't know exists, the thing about scum having extra powers Dylan pointed out in #312, etc.

And MiX has a town OR scum meta (not to mention a human nature) that doesn't exactly allow him to lie low.

I was worried when he claimed that 15 cost for the reporting too, but then Dylan stepped in and said that 15 was wrong, so it’s not tmi.

Doesn't matter if he's right or not. It's about how much info he has access to that caused him to draw the wrong conclusion. Like he just said "(Almost) Everything costs at least 15" ... where does that come from? His PM? Or his PM + his partners'? I don't really feel like my PM has enough costs in it for me to draw a conclusion like that...

[jotheonah]

Oh wait, there are sphere costs in the setup post. I did forget that. So Surge powers are public, including costs, Order powers are secret, including costs, and starting Stormlight allocations are secret.

[jotheonah]

Even so, I think I'm onto something here. Sometimes if it walks and talks and smells like a duck, it's a duck. MiX is posting like a person who's working with a different info set than the rest of us.

[mail-mi]

request prod on Greathallscout, it's been 3 days

Prod sent.

[faust]

MiX is a terrible lynch. Eddie I get and I'm usually all for lynching the third parties, but this D1 hasn't been very successful in terms of generating wagons and interactions and I'd like at least one wagon to get close to lynch that isn't NAI.

[MiX]

Even so, I think I'm onto something here. Sometimes if it walks and talks and smells like a duck, it's a duck. MiX is posting like a person who's working with a different info set than the rest of us.

What did I do that is scummy?