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[LaLight]

i will not be here for deadline

[Dylan32]

I don’t want to be on the lynchlist!

Vote: WCD

A random vote in reaction to WCD's comment.

Do things, people

Nothing to comment on

Which one of Swan/LL would you vote for?

Not particularly keen on voting for either

Not keen on voting for LL.

Vote: WCD

Yup, that's probably where my vote is staying for the rest of teh day.

We were supposed to follow the Cop, right?

Vote: Didds

You could think for yourself instead?

kind of a strange reaction to faust joining the same wagon as him.

Vote: WCD

Yup, that's probably where my vote is staying for the rest of teh day.

We were supposed to follow the Cop, right?

Vote: Didds

How about following scum reads, is that a good thing? Oh well.

Vote: Didds

This is an interesting wagon. Not sure I agree WCD is that scummy

Vote is still on WCD at this point.

To someone who's played with him, does MiX usually jump his vote around like this?

Of the two wagons, I like Vote: WCD more than LL at this point.

elaborate on why?

OMGUS voting Lalight... has nothing to do with reactions.

Vote: LaLight

vote: Lalight

If that is the choice vote: LaLight

What is there to like about that wagon?

I read lalight and got zero town vibes, or rather no vibes. I'll be honest this game is weird and scumhuntimg is hard. So I am town hunting. Lalight doesn't seem townie.

Yep I agree that LL is scummier than WCD

To someone who's played with him, does MiX usually jump his vote around like this?

Of the two wagons, I like Vote: WCD more than LL at this point.

elaborate on why?

OMGUS voting Lalight... has nothing to do with reactions.

Vote: LaLight

vote: Lalight

If that is the choice vote: LaLight

What is there to like about that wagon?

I read lalight and got zero town vibes, or rather no vibes. I'll be honest this game is weird and scumhuntimg is hard. So I am town hunting. Lalight doesn't seem townie.

Yep I agree that LL is scummier than WCD

... then why you on didds?

Because I was on didds from earlier on. And don't like putting people on L2

Ok fair enough, but what happened that changed your mind about LL. With no reasoning given, you went from not being keen to vote for LL and voting for WCD to not thinking WCD was scummy, LL is scummier than WCD, and still voting for LL.

It's easy for me to read this throught the narrative of scum parters Joseph and WCD with Joseph getting some subtle early distancing in, but then trying to move people towards an alternate lynch without actually moving his vote off of his partner for the cred of being on a scum wagon/not on a town wagon at the end of the day. I know this would mean I was wrong to unvote WCD, but if we move towards a Joseph lynch, that could be really informative.

vote: Joseph

[MiX]

Hold on. You think Joseph is scum with Didds? No way. If you do, just lynch Didds! It's much easier and your vote will do so much more.

I might join the Joseph wagon, however.

[Joseph2302]

I see zero reason to prefer WCD over LaLight. Those voting there. Why?

I'll go find out....

And yes, I know I haven't actually gotten the chance to reread, make any meaningful comments.

Just trying to keep up during day while I work.

Oh, and I guess I can make that vote official:

Vote: WCD

Nothing

vote: WCD then

that was out of nowhere

To someone who's played with him, does MiX usually jump his vote around like this?

Of the two wagons, I like Vote: WCD more than LL at this point.

Vote: WCD

Yup, that's probably where my vote is staying for the rest of teh day.

We were supposed to follow the Cop, right?

Vote: Didds

Vote: WCD

Yup, that's probably where my vote is staying for the rest of teh day.

Vote: WCD

Yup, that's probably where my vote is staying for the rest of teh day.

We were supposed to follow the Cop, right?

Vote: Didds

How about following scum reads, is that a good thing? Oh well.

Vote: Didds

Yep. Nothing. Y'all just bull-heading into what really looks like a mislynch but with nothing to gain from it looking back.

FoS!

Agreed
Vote: LL
PPE: 1

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: Joseph

I’m not sure LL isn’t scum, but I have some sympathy with the not being able to catch a break to even seeing D2

Joseph staying on me when he thinks his vote is better elsewhere makes no sense to me

PPE a couple

[Dylan32]

Hold on. You think Joseph is scum with Didds? No way. If you do, just lynch Didds! It's much easier and your vote will do so much more.

I might join the Joseph wagon, however.

Even if I'm wrong about them being partners, I at least have something I can and have pointed to with Didds that I read as towny. I don't have any of that with Joseph, so even ignoring the partner angle, I would still prefer Joseph to WCD right now.

[Joseph2302]

Hold on. You think Joseph is scum with Didds? No way. If you do, just lynch Didds! It's much easier and your vote will do so much more.

I might join the Joseph wagon, however.

Even if I'm wrong about them being partners, I at least have something I can and have pointed to with Didds that I read as towny. I don't have any of that with Joseph, so even ignoring the partner angle, I would still prefer Joseph to WCD right now.

Why Joseph all of a sudden?

And why does it have to be me or WCD? LL seems like a better option to me

[Joseph2302]

Hold on. You think Joseph is scum with Didds? No way. If you do, just lynch Didds! It's much easier and your vote will do so much more.

I might join the Joseph wagon, however.

Joseph isn't scum with Didds, because Joseph isn't scum

[yuma]

Games with 12 players can be hard to lynch scum day1. Have to get 7 to vote! If scum doesn't join in that is 7 out of 9 town players agreeing.

Which wagons have gotten some movement and then halted about 1/2 way?

[faust]

Probably time to start narrowing the Lynch pool. LL and WCD lead the count with 3 votes, Faust with 2, Swan, Cayvie and Joseph all with 1 vote. Someone could double check me.

Unless I'm in total disagreement I think that we should focus on LL, WCD and Faust. I'm up for making a last ditch effort on someone but with 12? hours, it needs to happen now. Let me know your guys thoughts!

If you're up, then go for cayvie!

[faust]

However, unfortunately, I actually do need to go to sleep in like 10 minutes, and it seems I need to switch because you're all boring.

[faust]

Games with 12 players can be hard to lynch scum day1. Have to get 7 to vote! If scum doesn't join in that is 7 out of 9 town players agreeing.

Which wagons have gotten some movement and then halted about 1/2 way?

Is it cayvie? Please say cayvie!

[LaLight]

vote: faust

[MiX]

vote: faust

This is not how faust reacts to being a wagon.

[MiX]

vote: faust

This is not how faust reacts to being a wagon.

Scum!faust I mean. Or faust in general to be honest, but town!faust does whatever he feels like.

[Swowl]

Swan Count - for Reference.

LaLight (3): yuma, MiX, Joseph2302
faust (3): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
Joseph(3): DatSwan, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (2): shraeye, scolapasta
cayvie (1): faust

Not Voting (0):

[Swowl]

Hold on. You think Joseph is scum with Didds? No way. If you do, just lynch Didds! It's much easier and your vote will do so much more.

I might join the Joseph wagon, however.

Joseph isn't scum with Didds, because Joseph isn't scum

Joseph DEFFFF is NOT skum with didds imo.
But dude... here is the thing.

- You make the post about LL and WCD.
- I say I do not like it because it gives you an open window to switch back and forth between the two leading wagon.

...then it gets into the wagons....

Right before things start off, we are here:
LaLight (4): DatSwan, yuma, MiX, WestCoastDidds
DatSwan (1): LaLight
faust (2): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96
WestCoastDidds (4): Joseph2302, shraeye, faust, LaLight
Not Voting (2): scolapasta, Dylan32


Shortly there after, when I vote for you we are here:
LaLight (3):  yuma, MiX, WestCoastDidds
faust (2): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96
WestCoastDidds (2): Joseph2302, shraeye
Swan (1): LL
Cayvie (1): faust
Joseph (1): Swan
Not Voting (2): scolapasta, Dylan32

First the people with the least influence vote (not talking to their character, just that they were not on one of the wagons already so the swing based on their choices are less significant):

- scolapasta votes for WCD, brings her to tied high wagon of 3.
- Dylan votes for Joseph. Brings Joseph to wagon of 2.

That brings us here:
LaLight (3): yuma, MiX, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (3): Joseph2302, shraeye, scolapasta
faust (2): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96
Joseph (2): Swan, Dylan
Swan (1): LL
Cayvie (1): faust

- This next part is exactly what I was concerned about, and why you ping me as skummy. You, Joseph, find both LL and WCD skummy. The options of wagons for you to move to are essentially...
a) stay on the WCD wagon. faust moved. LL you have to assume will go there to get a lynch off. That would be 5/7 since scolapasta went there.
b) move to faust wagon. would put faust at 3, wcd at 2, and LL at 3. Although, you can't really do that. you own the shovel, you said the reason you were on WCD instead of LL is because you do not "want to put them at L2"... which would no longer be the case. So you are forced into either "a" or "c"....
c) move to the LL wagon. which is what you do. in doing so, you follow you second top skum read, which you were just voting for, and join them on LL to make it this:

LaLight (4): yuma, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Joseph2302
faust (2): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96
WestCoastDidds (2): shraeye, scolapasta
Joseph (2): Swan, Dylan
Swan (1): LL
Cayvie (1): faust

- This part is why WCD is town. WCD moves to Joseph, I am assuming bc of Joseph's move as I mentioned, but obv I don't know for sure. Either way, I like the move.

- LL moves to faust. I would of been soooo pumped if they just voted you, joseph there instead, but still its fine. I find it more likely that you are skum that picked two town players to switch between, then the alt. The alt being somehow LL is skum with you, but that is far ish fetched.

Which finally brings us here, to current:

LaLight (3): yuma, MiX, Joseph2302
faust (3): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
Joseph(3): DatSwan, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
WestCoastDidds (2): shraeye, scolapasta
cayvie (1): faust


So you asked "Why does it have to be Joseph or LL?", and then say "it isn't Skum!Joseph and Skum!WCD, because Joseph isn't skum".

1) It could/has to be you because you dug a hole for yourself whether you are town or skum, and given the vote moves over the course of the last 3 pages... it just kind of has to be you or LL.

2) It could be LL because LL did not vote for you and the faust lynch would just be so fucking random. so it is an FOS at [Cayvie, Raptor, LL] from my pov... in which order it goes LL-HUGE GAP-Cayvie-Raptor.

3) I 100% agree that it cannot be WCD ANDDDD Joseph. But it sure could be one of you. More importantly we have to pick someone. And again, as I stated above, I do not think WCD is skum, so you are the easy choice.


TLDR;
We have to, or whatever... should/probably are going to/whatever... pick between LaLight, faust, Joseph, Didds.
- No one should pick Didds. Reference this post for reasoning.
- faust would generate far less information then LL or Joseph.. and also, I just don't dig the wagon.
- LL could possibly be acceptable. however....
- Joseph is without a doubt the skummiest. You made a statement. It put you in a spot. You made the move you had to make... which made almost no sense outside of you blanket statement as reasoning... and now we are here.

so yeah. that is why people should vote Joseph. we got like 2 hours I think.

[MiX]

However, unfortunately, I actually do need to go to sleep in like 10 minutes, and it seems I need to switch because you're all boring.

Did you just...fall asleep? That's so anti-town.

Big Swan Post: Vote: Joseph, Swan is town and I will sheep him until either of us die.

[Joseph2302]

Games with 12 players can be hard to lynch scum day1. Have to get 7 to vote! If scum doesn't join in that is 7 out of 9 town players agreeing.

Which wagons have gotten some movement and then halted about 1/2 way?

Not my one. Didds and LL both halted at about 4

[Dylan32]

Games with 12 players can be hard to lynch scum day1. Have to get 7 to vote! If scum doesn't join in that is 7 out of 9 town players agreeing.

Which wagons have gotten some movement and then halted about 1/2 way?

Not my one. Didds and LL both halted at about 4

It's just as likely scum had tried launching or supporting those wagons, but they died out when there wasn't enough town support for them and scum was trying to push a "it's one of the two, it's too late for other options" narrative.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

How long until deadline?

[yuma]

vote: joseph

[scolapasta]

Lynch better than no lynch, so I'll put Joseph at L-1.

vote: Joseph

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote Count 1.5

LaLight (1): Joseph2302
faust (3): cayvie, Xxraptorslayer96, LaLight
WestCoastDidds (1): shraeye
cayvie (1): faust
Joseph2302 (6): DatSwan, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds, MiX, yuma, scolapasta

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day One ends at 8 pm forum time April 16th.

[WestCoastDidds]

I gotta pick up my kids. Probably not back by deadline. Cool with my vote.

xoxo