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[Lekkit]

We did have a 3-shot reloader with a 1-shot poisoner, the sky's the limit.

You are aware that the mods did not distribute these powers to scum, yes?

A 3-shot reloader in town's hands is also extremely powerful, I don't think scum's powers are the same as town's with that flip. Think about how good a 3-shot reloader is with any killing role, there's no way they didn't balance around it.

raptor was reloader with a flask though

i think mail-mi was sort of a goon and raptor had his role

That is an interesting way of seeing it. I thought the flask made the reloading and the berries the poisoning.

[LaLight]

We did have a 3-shot reloader with a 1-shot poisoner, the sky's the limit.

You are aware that the mods did not distribute these powers to scum, yes?

A 3-shot reloader in town's hands is also extremely powerful, I don't think scum's powers are the same as town's with that flip. Think about how good a 3-shot reloader is with any killing role, there's no way they didn't balance around it.

raptor was reloader with a flask though

i think mail-mi was sort of a goon and raptor had his role

That is an interesting way of seeing it. I thought the flask made the reloading and the berries the poisoning.

hmm
I sort of believed Raptor when he said Flask cures poison. I guess you're right, I never thought of that

[A Drowned Kernel]

We did have a 3-shot reloader with a 1-shot poisoner, the sky's the limit.

You are aware that the mods did not distribute these powers to scum, yes?

A 3-shot reloader in town's hands is also extremely powerful, I don't think scum's powers are the same as town's with that flip. Think about how good a 3-shot reloader is with any killing role, there's no way they didn't balance around it.

I've mentioned this before and I don't know how important it is, but my role seems completely unmodified for me being town

[MiX]

We did have a 3-shot reloader with a 1-shot poisoner, the sky's the limit.

You are aware that the mods did not distribute these powers to scum, yes?

A 3-shot reloader in town's hands is also extremely powerful, I don't think scum's powers are the same as town's with that flip. Think about how good a 3-shot reloader is with any killing role, there's no way they didn't balance around it.

I've mentioned this before and I don't know how important it is, but my role seems completely unmodified for me being town

Lekkit has just pointed that out in the neighborhood, but thanks.

I feel like that makes LaLight's theory correct, and Raptor probably got the reloader item while being a reloader already. That would be weird, but possible I suppose.

[Lekkit]

I think the reloader came from the flask.

[MiX]

I think the reloader came from the flask.

3 shots sounds like a lot. Imagine that with 1-shot vig! Could be different targets however.

[cayvie]

We did have a 3-shot reloader with a 1-shot poisoner, the sky's the limit.

You are aware that the mods did not distribute these powers to scum, yes?

A 3-shot reloader in town's hands is also extremely powerful, I don't think scum's powers are the same as town's with that flip. Think about how good a 3-shot reloader is with any killing role, there's no way they didn't balance around it.

a mafia reloader is so much nastier than a town reloader, because you know whom to target starting day 1. If i was a reloader RN i'd be targeting e and crossing my fingers, but so much more can go wrong there. we really dodged a berry with that one.

[cayvie]

Didds isn't someone I want to lynch today, probably not ever, partially based on district stuff

okaaaaaay

unvote

[ashersky]

Wait, are we assuming players had role powers other than whatever item they got?  That wasn’t my understanding at all.  We were all Vanilla and gained a power from our item. 

Is there something I missed?  Or only scum did that so we have slips in play?

[ashersky]

@faust

Thank for the pasta answer. Seems okay.

Also good point on my numbers — I still think 4 in possible, maybe 5.  So any permutations in that range.

[MiX]

Wait, are we assuming players had role powers other than whatever item they got?  That wasn’t my understanding at all.  We were all Vanilla and gained a power from our item. 

Is there something I missed?  Or only scum did that so we have slips in play?

We are playing around the idea that scum could have innate roles before item draft. But now I think that's pretty unlikely.

[LaLight]

Wait, are we assuming players had role powers other than whatever item they got?  That wasn’t my understanding at all.  We were all Vanilla and gained a power from our item. 

Is there something I missed?  Or only scum did that so we have slips in play?

well, I didn't think about that, but when raptor flipped, I just made a mental note that he was a reloader already with the item that can cure poison, because I believed his claim

then, right about Lekkit's post, I turned on my critical thinking and i think you're right

[LaLight]

Wait, are we assuming players had role powers other than whatever item they got?  That wasn’t my understanding at all.  We were all Vanilla and gained a power from our item. 

Is there something I missed?  Or only scum did that so we have slips in play?

We are playing around the idea that scum could have innate roles before item draft. But now I think that's pretty unlikely.

yeah, same

[shraeye]

Didds isn't someone I want to lynch today, probably not ever, partially based on district stuff

Then I also will not lynch Didds today, or probably ever.

[shraeye]

Didds, tell me how much to trust ADK.

[ashersky]

Mods, can you update the game thread title to say Day 2?  It's confusing.

[ashersky]

I have no feelings on Didds, one way or the other.  Cayvie's points made sense, I guess, as a case to be made, but they seem to point out pretty bad scum play, which I generally don't like to assume.

[Jimmmmm]

Weekend check in. I started re-reading pasta but haven't finished yet; will come back with the result.

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, tell me how much to trust ADK.

I trust them and I’m not going to vote for them. They disclosed their role to me before I reciprocated. And like they said in 1252, their role has not been modified to account for faction, which I think is helpful information in light of the flips.

I’m trying to keep an open mind and reassess at regular intervals, because I get snowed by people I like (and vice versa) but there are a number of conversations where ADK = Town

[WestCoastDidds]

I have no feelings on Didds, one way or the other.  Cayvie's points made sense, I guess, as a case to be made, but they seem to point out pretty bad scum play, which I generally don't like to assume.

Thanks, Ashersky! I genuinely appreciate the assumption that I am somewhat better than pretty bad. : )

[shraeye]

I have no feelings on Didds, one way or the other.  Cayvie's points made sense, I guess, as a case to be made, but they seem to point out pretty bad scum play, which I generally don't like to assume.

Thanks, Ashersky! I genuinely appreciate the assumption that I am somewhat better than pretty bad. : )

you are, in fact, a sneaky sneaker of a scum.

[cayvie]

got around to rereading scolapasta, and basically everything i said about Didds applies to pasta too. Right down to the "mail-mi or MiX? I vote MiX"

I should be around for some part of tonight. Leaning to Mix over Mail-mi (between those two).

most damning may be this post

Right now:

Preferred lynches: raptor, wcd, scolapasta, e, lalight, mail-mi
Neutral-ish: lekkit, jimmm, glooble, Ash, adk
Would rather not lynch: mix, faust, shraeye, EFHW
Will not lynch: cayvie

PPE, of course, the fact that 2 people I distrust are voting for lalight makes me less suspicious of him

So... my list is almost opposite of yours!

Preferred lynches: faust, shraeye,, ash, lalight, mail-mi, mix
Neutral-ish: lekkit, glooble, e, adk, raptor
Would rather not lynch:, wcd, EFHW, cayvie, jimmm
Will not lynch: scolapasta

I don't specifically remember what made me put lalight, mail-mi, mix in the first group, so they might be more neutral.

Also interesting to note that my Would rather not lynch is all people I've played codenames with. Hmm....

where he includes mail-mi in the preferred lynches. and yet i believe he votes for and/or makes an argument against every other preferred lynch at some time in day 1, but never a specific one about mail-mi.

290: vote & reasons for shraeye
316: reasons for ash & mentions faust & LL
349: reasons for shraeye & faust
601: vote & reasons for Ashersky
986: vote MiX

yeahhhhhh, he includes mail-mi in his "preferred lynches" but never mentions him again except to say he's voting for someone else instead. thaaat's not a good sign. vote: scolapasta

[scolapasta]

got around to rereading scolapasta, and basically everything i said about Didds applies to pasta too. Right down to the "mail-mi or MiX? I vote MiX"

I should be around for some part of tonight. Leaning to Mix over Mail-mi (between those two).

most damning may be this post

Right now:

Preferred lynches: raptor, wcd, scolapasta, e, lalight, mail-mi
Neutral-ish: lekkit, jimmm, glooble, Ash, adk
Would rather not lynch: mix, faust, shraeye, EFHW
Will not lynch: cayvie

PPE, of course, the fact that 2 people I distrust are voting for lalight makes me less suspicious of him

So... my list is almost opposite of yours!

Preferred lynches: faust, shraeye,, ash, lalight, mail-mi, mix
Neutral-ish: lekkit, glooble, e, adk, raptor
Would rather not lynch:, wcd, EFHW, cayvie, jimmm
Will not lynch: scolapasta

I don't specifically remember what made me put lalight, mail-mi, mix in the first group, so they might be more neutral.

Also interesting to note that my Would rather not lynch is all people I've played codenames with. Hmm....

where he includes mail-mi in the preferred lynches. and yet i believe he votes for and/or makes an argument against every other preferred lynch at some time in day 1, but never a specific one about mail-mi.

290: vote & reasons for shraeye
316: reasons for ash & mentions faust & LL
349: reasons for shraeye & faust
601: vote & reasons for Ashersky
986: vote MiX

yeahhhhhh, he includes mail-mi in his "preferred lynches" but never mentions him again except to say he's voting for someone else instead. thaaat's not a good sign. vote: scolapasta

SO, every time I defend myself it has so far backfired on me... but I my style of play has always been to try to understand things logically and opine when I see something invalid - which is why I suspected Ash during the ash / faust debate of D1.

I don't see where I "[vote] for and/or [make] an argument against every other preferred lynch".

I did specifically say in my preferred lynches post that I didn't remember why I put lalight, mail-mi, mix in the first group, which is why I didn't mention them much later. Except when it became cllear that my preferred lynch, ash, was going nowhere. So, preferring a lynch over no lynch, I looked at the two that were likely, and made my choice.

I was (possibly) wrong in my mail-mi vs mix assessment. It's still very possible mix is also scum.

[Swowl]

Mods, can you update the game thread title to say Day 2?  It's confusing.

Sure thing.

[EFHW]

The case on Didds is reasonable enough, but I'd still prefer to lynch scolapasta.

Can you provide an overview of the case against scolapasta?  I assume it is reads-based.

Part this, part PoE. I think there would have been mafia who wasn't on the Raptor or mail-mi wagons. Among these people, Jimmmm has pushed mail-mi early on, and you were gunning for both mail-mi and Raptor and were virtually voting for Raptor anyways, in that you would have hammered. I felt that scolapasta didn't react convincingly D1 when shraeye pushed him, he avoided voting for mail-mi and Raptor without ever going out of his way to defend them, which is the spot I expect newb!scum to be in with regrads to their partners.

(Be aware that my post numbers may differ from yours by one)

This sounded interesting, and I did myself as well consider scolapasta as a raptor partner during N1 because I had a similar impression. So I looked into the vca. scolapasta OMGUS voted Shraeye, and then voted ashersky at #602 (4th on wagon with EFHW, Glooble and Lalight) and MiX at #987 (4th on wagon with faust, raptor and EFHW). The time he was on a wagon with mail-mi or raptor was when raptor voted Shraeye with him at #414. (Raptor then voted MiX at #869 and faust at #1059.) mail-mi and raptor never voted for him.

I was about to go look up what he said at eod, but I see cayvie just did.

I'm good with vote: scolapasta, but I'll keep looking for trends in the votes as well.