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[MiX]

here's a thing i've been wondering:

how likely do people think it is that there's a scum/scum district out there?

I can math it, but assuming 4 scum I'd say around...25%. Totally baseless, of course. Want me to call Space and make that calculation?

[cayvie]

here's a thing i've been wondering:

how likely do people think it is that there's a scum/scum district out there?

depends on how much scum there is, I suppose. I don't think we should base scum reads off of district.

sure. i am asking because if there's 2 scum in a district, that would mean that 2 scum have daychat. (making the assumption that the mafia QT isn't open during the day)

and daychat is powerful for scum to have! so my inclination is to think, no, galz/swan made sure to separate scumbuddies when assigning districts.

[cayvie]

people seem to be assuming that alignments and districts were randomly assigned; is there a basis for that assumption?

[faust]

here's a thing i've been wondering:

how likely do people think it is that there's a scum/scum district out there?

depends on how much scum there is, I suppose. I don't think we should base scum reads off of district.

sure. i am asking because if there's 2 scum in a district, that would mean that 2 scum have daychat. (making the assumption that the mafia QT isn't open during the day)

and daychat is powerful for scum to have! so my inclination is to think, no, galz/swan made sure to separate scumbuddies when assigning districts.

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

[MiX]

people seem to be assuming that alignments and districts were randomly assigned; is there a basis for that assumption?

Phase 1 - Ranking Phase
1. Districts - All players will be randomly assigned one partner. Each pairing will have an shared, private, QT. These 8 shared QT's will be assigned as a District. The District information, and which players are in which District, will be made public at Day 1 Start.

I presume this is why?

PPE 1

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm against round claiming unless someone can provide a concrete reason why it helps us

[MiX]

I'm against round claiming unless someone can provide a concrete reason why it helps us

It helps me determine something about the setup.

I can't really be more specific, but I'll try if you really need it.

[cayvie]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm against round claiming unless someone can provide a concrete reason why it helps us

It helps me determine something about the setup.

I can't really be more specific, but I'll try if you really need it.

Will that determination help you form a read on any particular player(s)?

[A Drowned Kernel]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

I assume the intention of the setup post is that districts are irrespective of alignment and scum/scum districts are possible. Otherwise we could IC someone every time a scum player dies

[MiX]

I'm against round claiming unless someone can provide a concrete reason why it helps us

It helps me determine something about the setup.

I can't really be more specific, but I'll try if you really need it.

Will that determination help you form a read on any particular player(s)?

Doubt it, but the claim process might. This would mostly be for setup information than catching scum lying.

[cayvie]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

I assume the intention of the setup post is that districts are irrespective of alignment and scum/scum districts are possible. Otherwise we could IC someone every time a scum player dies

that's kind of what i'm hoping, yes. not quite ICing, but evidence.

i mean what with Less Pressure being popular now for some reason, maybe daychat scum aren't as scary-sounding as i'm used to them being. but man i have some memories of daychat-coordinated quickhammers and stuff and that's a powerful tool in the scum arsenal for us to be aware of.

[scolapasta]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

I assume the intention of the setup post is that districts are irrespective of alignment and scum/scum districts are possible. Otherwise we could IC someone every time a scum player dies

that's kind of what i'm hoping, yes. not quite ICing, but evidence.

i mean what with Less Pressure being popular now for some reason, maybe daychat scum aren't as scary-sounding as i'm used to them being. but man i have some memories of daychat-coordinated quickhammers and stuff and that's a powerful tool in the scum arsenal for us to be aware of.

OK, 4th time seeing it, so newbie question #2: IC?

[Glooble]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

I assume the intention of the setup post is that districts are irrespective of alignment and scum/scum districts are possible. Otherwise we could IC someone every time a scum player dies

that's kind of what i'm hoping, yes. not quite ICing, but evidence.

i mean what with Less Pressure being popular now for some reason, maybe daychat scum aren't as scary-sounding as i'm used to them being. but man i have some memories of daychat-coordinated quickhammers and stuff and that's a powerful tool in the scum arsenal for us to be aware of.

OK, 4th time seeing it, so newbie question #2: IC?

Innocent Child. A player mod-confirmed to be town.

[faust]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

While this is true, I would think that phrasing is in the above way it that is the case is borderline bastard modding and I don't think it's useful to go there.

[cayvie]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

I assume the intention of the setup post is that districts are irrespective of alignment and scum/scum districts are possible. Otherwise we could IC someone every time a scum player dies

that's kind of what i'm hoping, yes. not quite ICing, but evidence.

i mean what with Less Pressure being popular now for some reason, maybe daychat scum aren't as scary-sounding as i'm used to them being. but man i have some memories of daychat-coordinated quickhammers and stuff and that's a powerful tool in the scum arsenal for us to be aware of.

OK, 4th time seeing it, so newbie question #2: IC?

Innocent Child. A player mod-confirmed to be town.

Also used colloquially to refer to a player that everyone agrees is town based on whatever.

(Sometimes the actual innocent child role is activated by the player, or doesn't show up until a certain day as well)

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm against round claiming unless someone can provide a concrete reason why it helps us

It helps me determine something about the setup.

I can't really be more specific, but I'll try if you really need it.

Will that determination help you form a read on any particular player(s)?

Doubt it, but the claim process might. This would mostly be for setup information than catching scum lying.

I'm going to call that "not concrete enough of a reason"

[cayvie]

The setup post says "All players will be randomly assigned one partner." If they made sure scumbuddies don't share a district, then it's no longer random.

they could randomly assign partners before deciding player alignments, though

While this is true, I would think that phrasing is in the above way it that is the case is borderline bastard modding and I don't think it's useful to go there.

Yeah all right, I buy that.

Suffice it to say, I've got no evidence beyond my own considerable paranoia for my concerns, so I'm going to disregard then for now.

[ashersky]

In response to ADK: I also believe round claiming will provide me/royal us info for narrowing down possible scum claimants.  It’s one of those “if I explain further it no longer works” things, though.

We have some knowledge already: cayvie was a 2r.  If it wasn’t clear to you by now, so am I.

I think if we get full participation, we get useful info that far outweighs whatever bonus you might think scum gets from knowing who went in which round.  If we don’t claim draft number, they can’t even piece together the order in which we went, and if one of the scum is a 2r, they know what the other 2rs know anyway.

To be clear: claim 1r or 2r only.  No item names, no draft order number.

[ashersky]

Also to clarify, my idea on info is revealable immediately after all round claims are completed, so you can hold me to that if so desired.

[EFHW]

I missed the start of the games! Sorry, will catch up post haste.

[WestCoastDidds]

I was R1

[mail-mi]

R1 here.

[EFHW]

I don't feel great about the claims that getting information will lead a player to useful conclusions. It never works out that way. What's the rush? We'll have a much clearer sense of what info we need as the game progresses.

[EFHW]

cayvie is relentlessly towny! She had a number of good ideas in our qt.