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[skip wooznum]

Also I received an interesting message last night and I'm curious if anyone wants to claim to have sent it

yo

[skip wooznum]

vote: efhw on the strength of cayvie's claim. Assuming she somehow knows that not all her actions targeted mix, which is definitely plausible.

[skip wooznum]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

[Uncleeurope]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.2:

EFHW (5): Galzria, mail-mi, cayvie, uncle, skip
Galzria (3): faust, EFHW, 2.7
2.7 (1): DatSwan

Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, WCD, shraeye

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.  Day 2 ends on April 19 at 21:30 forum time.

[cayvie]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

[skip wooznum]

Except there is not a chance in this world that you were ever going to be the replacement lynch there.

Oh I very strongly disagree with that sentiment, although I appreciate it nonetheless. Faust is in a different time zone than I am, and Faust often gets what he wants. I’m not at all convinced I wouldn’t have been the lynch choice there - and honestly, it wasn’t worth the risk.

Further to that point:

If I at all shared your opinion there, then there would’ve been no reason for me to put myself into the scrutiny that hammering there does.

Now, there’s an infinite amount of WIFOM there from me making that argument - but if you honestly believe what you yourself have stated then you must equally acknowledge the validity of my statement above.

You could be scumbuddies with efhw.

[Swowl]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.

To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.

Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.

[Swowl]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

I believe Eddie was making a joke at the vote, unvote, re vote.

[Swowl]

vote: Efoo (EFHW)

Galz, why did you vote EFHW here?

Mmm, let's call it a vibe. I mean, I suppose vibes can be wrong. I need to re-map what's been claimed so far.

It does not match what I recall from your day1 stances, and came in unexplained.  What's giving you that vibe?  VCA? reread? If you have a case, it does not seem like you're trying very hard to push it.

Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2

[WestCoastDidds]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

Ha!

[shraeye]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.

To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.

Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.

You for real, boo?

[mail-mi]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.

To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.

Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.

^^this is a good point. Not sure if the Mod will let us know if space changes alignments. I guess we can ask.

If a mod-confirmed town-aligned person changes alignments, will we be informed?

[Swowl]

unvote actually, as another possibility is occurring to me.

I'm trying to figure out how best to present it, or if to present it at all.

But it's unlikely anyway so

vote: efhw after all

I guess MIX didn’t die after all.

that would be an unlikely but not technically impossible result, given the fact that we've already had a player join the game day 2!

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

No offense to Space, but I think we should err on the side of caution in regards to "IC". This game is NOT bastard, so I assume at the time that Space entered the game they were what was claimed by the MOD. However, we have had 1 (or 2, I can't remember how many) different people say that their roles hint at alignment switching being a thing.
Just saying - the concept of an IC is you can trust them 100% they are confirmed to be exactly what they are. So, unless we are gonna be getting daily updates from Ash in the thread re-confirming their identity each day (probably not happening)... then they are not really IC.

To further on that... if by chance Space is aware of alignment switching effects on their end, that would complicate things to the max.

Def am NOTTTTT making any sort of a case on Space. Just pointing out the IC thing is what I wanted to get across.

You for real, boo?

do you disagree that this is not a valid point?

[faust]

speaking of, i'm curious if our IC has any thoughts?

And what would you be needing IC thoughts for?

[faust]

Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2

Sound like you're jealous...

[Swowl]

Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2

Sound like you're jealous...

I think you are mistaken jealousy for curiosity on this one.

[2.71828.....]

Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2

Sound like you're jealous...

I think you are mistaken jealousy for curiosity on this one.

What is curious about it?

Does it make EFHW more or less likely scum in your opinion?

[ashersky]

If a mod-confirmed town-aligned person changes alignments, will we be informed?

Theoretical questions regarding a closed setup result in an impossible situation.  Any answer can be construed to confirm or deny the existence of whatever hypothetical is being questioned.  As such, instead of an answer, I will leave you with a general rule:

If the game is not categorized as "BM," you can trust the mod.

[2.71828.....]

Some other notes: I typically give townpoints to bad hammers. But that was a really bad hammer. I didn’t like it, it made me unhappy.

Another note, if you talked to me last night, include the last word of the message in your next post.

It would make me happy to confirm who gave it to me.

If anyone even messaged me. Because maybe it didn’t happen,

It wasn’t a bad hammer. It was 5 hours to deadline, with talk of a shift towards me. I hammered at 2:00am my time, deadline was at 7:00am. I had to sleep. I’ve seen more wagons than I can recount switch in the final 5 hours. I wasn’t willing to take that chance. As there was an infinitely better chance of Pubby flipping scum than me, there was absolutely no second thought to that hammer.

This is what I am referring to as an overreaction.

The urgency to defend your hammer here is a bit much. It's like you have to make sure everyone knows that what you did is a townie thing.

"Nothing scummy to see here, carry on..."

[Swowl]

Whats more impressive is no one is trying crazy hard to push it and EFHW is at L2

Sound like you're jealous...

I think you are mistaken jealousy for curiosity on this one.

What is curious about it?

Does it make EFHW more or less likely scum in your opinion?

evidently my sarcasm is going under noted. apologies as needed I guess.
1) I was bantering with faust. There is nothing curious about it, I was talking about my state of mind.
2) regarding EFHW... I don't know. Less I think. If we are under the assumption that skum directed the misdirect of Cayvie's kill then they chose mix. Given Day 1 info, mix would be a good choice if the idea was to iso the wagons to let's say... the other potential wagons on the day. Outside of that, there isn't really a reason for skum to do it right? I mean mix derailed at a crucial time and they could of just left them alive and painted them up. But, in this scenario, they chose to move the shot to MiX. So who would they hope to set up? Probably EFHW and a back up of galz as he popped up on radar a shit ton of times from people. and look at that... its EFHW and Galz. I accept the reach of all of that, so the merit I am putting into it at this point is smallish.
This is my hold up. The first person that gives me shit about "mathing it out like skum" is getting tunneled for as long as I am in the game. It is simply the only way to think about this. But ok here - Assume you are skum and you have a bus driver/RD/whatever... cayvie claims vig shot... you are bus driver and get lucky on the target? k maybe. As I stated before, I think more likely RD knowing who to target and controlling where to put it. Either way... you have to move the action. So you are skum, so assume cayvie is town. So when cayvie only voted for the wagons of mix and pubby and uncle you have to assume she actually had some merit in believing they were skum. So when she shoots, those are good targets. So you choose... like a town *not one of those $%#$ing dudes"right? except that is not what happened. MiX got "shot and killed". So if cayvie has confirmed that they get the "shot" ping on their shots, and cayvie is assumed town in this scenario then... skum just what? decided to pick a target that may of very well been the target that cayvie chose anyways?

That was rambling - I have been wanting to get these points out:

1) It is in fact probably more likely that there is a bus driver in regards to an RD. But it has nothing to do with skum controlling the shot. If skum controlled the shot it is far more likely imo that it is a RD. Overall, still bus driver is ultimately more likely because it could just be a random town switch (ofc on top of the option of skum having BD as well). I do not like the way that people have presented the cases thus far without taking that merit into respect.

2) Cayvie said the shot landed, EFHW did not get a notification. So either Cayvie is lying, EFHW is lying, or it was switched.... or I guess they are both lying. Simple as that.
If it was switched = Skum either is RD and picks claimed vig and puts it on someone they know is not skum (MiX) or they are bus driver and pick two high wagon individuals to switch the results on (EFHW/MiX).
If Cayvie is lying = they just shot mix. Then claimed efhw to bring on the hate and etc etc. I am not a huge fan of this one, but it is on the table.
EFHW is lying = yadda yadda skum has the switch ability and EFHW would know so it was planned. OK, roughly the same fan of that as the cayvie case.
Both are lying = oddly I find this more likely than any singular of them being skum.



TLDR; I think EFHW is Town. I do not think that Skum would of switched the result off of EFHW (whether RD or BD) and then it all plays out the way that it has, if EFHW was in on that decision.

[skip wooznum]

Bus driving generally redirects all night actions, not just nks. I think cayvie's intent with this post

i think if there's a scum busdriver, they're likely to switch town and scum. and MiX was town.

is that standard practice (ignoring game specific variables) is for scum bus drivers to switch a townie with a scummie because it creates maximum chaos with cops, trackers, and the like, who will get incriminating results on townies and clearing results on scum. There is no compelling reason to think scum would act differently this game. You seem to be assuming that scum's entire goal for busdriving was to defend against a 1-shot 25% accurate vig that might not shoot at all due to a chance she would kill herself.

[skip wooznum]

"You" in the above post refers to swan.

[skip wooznum]

As for the possibility of a town bus driver being responsible for the switching, I'm totally discounting that because:
1a) town bus drivers are anti-town and therefore probably aren't in the setup,
1b) town bus drivers are anti-town and therefore probably wouldn't use their power,
and by far most importantly
2) a town bus driver responsible for the switch would claim before we actually lynch someone, so there's nothing to worry about.

I trust cayvie, I believe her claim, so I'm voting efhw.

[WestCoastDidds]

I appreciate Swan thinking out loud. Seeing his thought process helps, and I see that he’s trying to think
through the EFHW choice.  I think it’s too much work for him to be buddies with EFHW and  if he’s scum, it’s  a weird move. So, I’ve got Swan in my town bucket, although I still have no idea why he is voting for e.

But I equally appreciate Skip. In this case, the last sentence is clarifying for me...

I trust Cayvie and I believe her claim.

So, I am leaning toward voting for EFHW but don’t want to put her a L-1 so I’ll hold off.