Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Welcome to M122: What Game Are We Even Playing? Mafia

This is a first run of our semi-open setup for 14 players, Bread and Circuses. All information about the setup is included in the 2nd and 3rd posts.

Flavor will be Uncleeurope and I making up nonsense about everyone trying to decide on what game to play at a board game night. It may get violent.

When you sign up, please suggest a game or a couple games to be used for your flavor. These will have no bearing on alignment or role. If you don't like any games other than Dominion and Mafia, we can assign a game to you. We will totally use this as a board game recommendation system.

Playerlist:

• arishipshape
• DatSwan
• chairs
• jotheonah
• MiX
• A Drowned Kernel
• gkrieg13
• mcmcsalot
• Glooble
• Galzria
• Faust
• Joseph2302
• SpaceAnemone
• EFHW

* indicates a prod

Mods: Umbrageofsnow, Uncleeurope

Tagged:

Navigation:
Day 1 Start | Day 1 End

Rules:

The normal Rules of Mafia apply, with the following additions and changes
General

• This is the mod color. This is also the mod color.  You may not use these colors, or very small text, or any sort of stenography or encryption we deem likely to hurt the game.
• All players will have personal QTs that they may post in at any time.
• Questions will be answered, errors fixed, and rule-breaking punished at mod discretion.  We'll try our best to be fair and impartial and make sure everyone has fun, but some questions may not be answered and some things may not be resolved the way you want.  Complain about it via PM or QT, not in thread.
• Mod communications of any kind may not be directly quoted in thread, although they may be paraphrased.
• Private topic posts may only be quoted if you don't imply they came from your private topic, drafts are fine, "Hey, here are my notes from 2 days ago"is not. Same for offline note taking, etc.

Voting

• You may Vote: No Lynch.  If half, rounded up, of the living players vote this way, a No Lynch is achieved and the day ends.
• Voting must be in bold to count.  If I recognize it as a vote for someone, it counts as a vote.  Ambiguity kills.  If I don't know who you are voting for, it doesn't count.  Errors should be pointed out in thread, but if you were just being too weird for me to figure out what you meant, just revote.
• Unvotes are not required to change your vote.

Deadlines & Prods

• Game days will last 8 real life days.  Nights will last 2 days.  At the start of the phase I may announce that there will be a bit of extra time to line things up with my schedule.
• All players still alive are required to check in during the night in (at least one of) their QT(s).
• Night Actions may be submitted up until 2 hours before the next day starts.
• If all players consent to it via QT or PM, night may be shortened and resolved as soon as I can.
• Plurality Rules!
  When time for the day is up and no majority has been reached, the player with the most votes is lynched.  If there is a tie, the player who most recently had more votes is lynched. If there is still a tie, the player who reached their current number of votes first is lynched. If there is still a tie, the player who most recently won a board game is lynched. If your vote is 1 second after the set deadline, that vote does not count, whether I've locked the thread or not.
• Prods will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread, unless you have declared V/LA.  A player has 24 hours to respond to the prod, after that I'll start trying to find a replacement.  If you post in thread before I do, that's fine.  After 3 prods, players are subject to replacement or modkill, at the mods' discretion.  I might send out pokes before you're eligible for a prod, these have no consequences attached and are just to get you posting again and let you know you're close to being prodded.  But I'm not promising to always do so.
• I'm happy to send prods by email or some other means if people like, but prods will be sent by PM on site by default. Let me know by PM if you have some other preference.
• Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread once the game has started.  A request to replace out must be done via a post in the role QT or PM. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique.  (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Setup: Bread and Circuses
by Umbrageofsnow and Uncleeurope

1 Goon + 5 VTs

|

C

|

D

A

| | | |

Supersaint Jester        Macho 2-shot Cop Semi-Elite Bodyguard VT

| | | |

Mafia 1-shot BP Traitor Mafia Odd-Night Promoter VT Semi-Elite Bodyguard

B

| | | |

Mafia Godfather Mafia Goon Town Odd-Night Promoter Semi-Elite Bodyguard

| | | |

Lyncher Doctor        Vengeful Townie        Psychologist        Tracker

Additional Rules:

• Plurality Lynch
• Traitor knows Mafia, Mafia doesn’t know traitor, dies if night-killed
• Traitor is guilty to cop, innocent to Psychologist (until the night it inherits the NK)
• Traitor inherits the night kill if other mafia are all dead
• Psychologist is slightly non-standard: it's result occurs before the night's kill
• Promoter can self-target
• Promoter turns a player into a compulsive gladiator the next day.
• The player who has become a gladiator will be announced at the start of each day.
• Vengeful can only target on-wagon
• Bodyguards protect from kills, not death, so if 2 Bodyguards protect each other and one is killed, the other dies
• Bodyguard can protect from Vengeful/Supersaint kills, which happen the following night.
• If 2 Bodyguards target the same player and that player would die, both die, but they kill the attacker.
• This doesn't work on the Cop.
  
• The Vengeful Townie is capable of performing a kill to the Psychologist
• Jester cannot self-hammer
• Lyncher can self-doctor
• Lyncher's target will be one of the VTs

The setup is one of 4, either a column or a row of the above table, and then 1 Mafia Goon and 5 VTs are added

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Possible Role PMs

After you are lynched you will kill the last player on your wagon at the end of the Night.

You win if you are lynched before the end of the game. Your lynch does not end the game. You may vote for yourself, but if your vote would be the final vote required for your lynch it will not count.

Each night you may target one player (possibly yourself) to protect them from one kill attempt.

Your target is {Player}, you know they are a VT.
You win if your target is lynched while you are still alive.

When your target dies you also die.

Your only weapons are your voice and your vote. Also your factional night kill. Each night, one member of your team with access to your team QT may target a player to attempt to kill them.
You may talk to your partner(s) at night here.

You win when at least half of the players left alive are members of the Mafia.

If you are investigated by the cop, they will be told you are town-aligned.

Each night, one member of your team with access to your team QT may target a player to attempt to kill them.
You may talk to your partners at night here.

You win when at least half of the players left alive are members of the Mafia.

Your teammates are {Player} and {Player}, but they do not know you.

If both of your teammates die, you inherit access to their team QT and their ability to target a player to attempt to kill each night.

You will survive the first time you would be killed at night.

You win when at least half of the players left alive are members of the Mafia.

Each odd-numbered night, you must nominate one player (possibly yourself) to enter a fight the next day. If you don't make a selection, one will be made for you at random. On the following day, your target must submit Challenge: {Playername} in bold in the game thread before 72 hours have passed. Otherwise a Challenger will be chosen at random. All votes will be reset, and for the rest of the Day only votes for one of the combatants will be accepted.

Each night, one member of your team with access to your team QT may target a player to attempt to kill them. You may attempt the kill and Promote a fight on the same night.
You may talk to your partner at night here.

You win when at least half of the players left alive are members of the Mafia.

Each odd-numbered night, you must nominate one player (possibly yourself) to enter a fight the next day. If you don't make a selection, one will be made for you at random. On the following day, your target must submit Challenge: {Playername} in bold in the game thread before 72 hours have passed. Otherwise a Challenger will be chosen at random. All votes will be reset, and for the rest of the Day only votes for one of the combatants will be accepted.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Each night you may target a player other than yourself to protect. If that player would be killed, they survive and you die instead.

If you and another Bodyguard both protect the same player, if you die for your target, together the two of you will also kill the attacker. This counts as one kill attempt.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

After you are lynched you may target a player on your wagon, you kill that player at the end of the Night.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Twice per game, you may use one of your shots at night to target a player to investigate. You will receive a result of “{Player} is town-aligned” or “{Player} is not town-aligned.”

If you would otherwise die at night and are protected by a Bodyguard, you will die anyway and the Bodyguard will survive.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Each night you may target a player to investigate. You will receive a result of “Can Kill” if they are capable of killing a player at night but have not yet done so. If they cannot kill, or if they have already killed someone, you will receive a result of “Cannot Kill.” This investigation resolves before the night’s kill.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Each night you may target a player to track. You will get the names of any player they targeted or “{Player} did not visit anyone.”

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.
You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive.

[arishipshape]

I'm still in. Lets do this.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I'm still in. Lets do this.

Cool! We're doing board games for flavor (and then not making it related to anything, scum are going to get flavor but their picks are safe fake claims and will be used in the flavor in-game.)

So pick a game or two that you like, or say you don't care and we'll assign you a board game to like.

[arishipshape]

Sorry, didn't actually read the top before posting. I absolutely love the board games Pandemic (with all it's expansions) and Mothership. Pandemic is the rare cooperative board game where all the players are attempting to save the world from 4 diseases that have suddenly took the world by storm. Mothership is a tabletop combat game a la Risk but IN SPAAAACE!

[faust]

Is it considered rude if I in to get a game recommendation and then out again?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

That's fine.

Onitama.

Also, you only have a ~3.5% chance of rolling Jester, if you want to take your chances.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I know this game isn't going to appeal to everyone, sorry about that. At least it's semi-open. Trying to make Jesters work is part of the concept though (and kind of a long time obsession of mine and also Uncleeurope's I think.)

[UmbrageOfSnow]

@faust: Usually I get really annoyed with chess-like games that are trying to "fix" chess without getting, in my opinion, the actual appeal of chess. (This is a big disagreement UE and I have, but we both like Onitama.) It's a simple chess-like game where each piece moves using one of two cards in your hand that specify a movement pattern. You then have to pass the card you used to the other player. There are 4 pawns and 1 king (disciples and master in the theme of the game), you win by either capturing the opponent's master, or getting yours to the center square of the other side's back row.

Simple and elegant perfect information strategy game.

[jotheonah]

/in

Games: Euchre. Sheriff of Nottingham. Sentinels of the Multiverse.

[MiX]

/in, I suppose

For boardgame I pick Battlecon, best fighting board game ever!

[A Drowned Kernel]

/in

For my boardgame I'll pick Root

[UmbrageOfSnow]

/in

For my boardgame I'll pick Root

I take it you're liking that? I've been debating getting it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

/in

For my boardgame I'll pick Root

I take it you're liking that? I've been debating getting it.

I love the concept and the art, after a handful of games I'm still trying to convince myself that it's actually balanced. I think it might not be but it's also fun enough that maybe it doesn't matter.

[WestCoastDidds]

When do you think this will start?

I am probably /in and my game is Star Realms or 7 Wonders (or Lords of the Waterdeep, or 5 minute Dungeon Crawl, or Rummikub, or Dixit...)

[MiX]

Star Realms

Add that to mine too, great game

[WestCoastDidds]

Whose game shelf is that? It's amazing!!  Almost as nice as Galz's liquor cabinet!

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Whose game shelf is that? It's amazing!!  Almost as nice as Galz's liquor cabinet!

It's UE's. He has a problem.

Also my mother, aunt, and pseudo mother-in-law all like rummikub, but all have different rules for how wilds work. And I think the rules in their boxes disagree too. Worse than farms in Carcassonne.

Start date depends on when it fills, we are ready to go as soon as that happens but could hold off or have a longer day 1 to accommodate people.

[Uncleeurope]

/in

For my boardgame I'll pick Root

I take it you're liking that? I've been debating getting it.

If you get it I will find a way to play it with you. Been wanting to try it myself.

Whose game shelf is that? It's amazing!!  Almost as nice as Galz's liquor cabinet!

I most definitely have a problem, that’s not even all of them, we had to get new shelving to hold them. I am currently in the process of reorganizing everything, so the placement of the games is in flux at the moment. (And no, they aren’t all being stored in a ginormous Fluxx box)

[WestCoastDidds]

It’s amazing! That is a good problem to have...good taste and room for furniture. Eddie has moved up in my estimation. I’m still not sure I should trust someone who doesn’t like coffee, though.

Rummikub is totally old people super fun, but I like it! Same with gin rummy. I might be 85 in my head. I also like a whole host of games we play with the kids like Exploding Kittens, Ticket to Ride, Quirkle, and Splendor. Pretty much I like almost everything except MTG.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

[Swowl]

Still /in

[Uncleeurope]

Still /in

Now just throw in some of your favorite games and you’ll be good. (Or you can also opt to be assigned a recommendation by us)

[chairs]

Ok I’m in.

I’ll suggest hi ho cherry o for flavor because my daughter is obsessed (and cheats like mad).

[Uncleeurope]

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We will get back to you on this, I have a stance but need to make sure Snow agrees before I publicize it.

[MiX]

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We will get back to you on this, I have a stance but need to make sure Snow agrees before I publicize it.

I vote yes, for what it's worth. That's always how I would make these win conditions.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Can the lyncher win posthumously?

We talked, we agree, Lyncher who didn't self-doctor and got killed loses. Plus it's pretty lame if people accidentally stumble into giving you a win in LYLO when you died N1 or something.

Editing the role PM now.

[WestCoastDidds]

okay, /in but i hope we can start after the other game is a bit further along

[Galzria]

Hmmm...

[Galzria]

Does the Supersaint Jester trigger immediately, or “after” his lynch:

1T-1M-1J, Mafia hammers Jester.

A) Jester dies, scum control half, game ends before SS activates.
B) Jester dies, SS activates killing scum, town wins with Jester.
C) Jester is “lynched”, SS activates killing Mafia, game ends before lynch is finalized, town wins but not Jester.

Scenario above: Jester cannot lynch the town or scum without losing. He must himself be the lynch. So he refuses to vote either player. In scenario A Jester has already lost, so it doesn’t matter. In scenario B, neither scum nor town can hammer without losing. As scum wins by doing nothing, town has effectively lost. In scenario C, essentially the same as B. Both town and scum lose by hammering, but scum wins by doing nothing.

Assuming Scenario B, if all but one scum are dead, can the Jester claim to become the lynch (town doesn’t care if he wins/loses, and he’s not a town PR) but town forces the hammer on someone - effectively treating them like the lynch while Jester meets his wincon?

[Galzria]

Also, if I /in, can I be the SuperSaint Jester? I get lynched all the time.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Does the Supersaint Jester trigger immediately, or “after” his lynch:

1T-1M-1J, Mafia hammers Jester.

A) Jester dies, scum control half, game ends before SS activates.
B) Jester dies, SS activates killing scum, town wins with Jester.
C) Jester is “lynched”, SS activates killing Mafia, game ends before lynch is finalized, town wins but not Jester.

Scenario above: Jester cannot lynch the town or scum without losing. He must himself be the lynch. So he refuses to vote either player. In scenario A Jester has already lost, so it doesn’t matter. In scenario B, neither scum nor town can hammer without losing. As scum wins by doing nothing, town has effectively lost. In scenario C, essentially the same as B. Both town and scum lose by hammering, but scum wins by doing nothing.

Assuming Scenario B, if all but one scum are dead, can the Jester claim to become the lynch (town doesn’t care if he wins/loses, and he’s not a town PR) but town forces the hammer on someone - effectively treating them like the lynch while Jester meets his wincon?

UE pushed us into a non-standard wording of Supersaint, it doesn't activate in Twilight it activates the following night. So Mafia and Jester would win, Town loses.

But TvSvJ LYLO is weird, Jester needs town to vote Jester, which is motivation to try to find and vote town. If Jester accidentally votes scum and town hammers, that's a town win. If Jester correctly votes Town and Town crossvotes, scum wins and kingmakes Jester or not, which is lame but I think that's the way it has to go. At least this is a pretty unlikely scenario. Also the plurality lynch rules make these weird LYLOs even weirder, need to ponder whether or not that's a problem. Fortunately it only matters in TvSv3 LYLO.

To get to TvSvJ, Jester has played somewhat poorly, Town has played poorly, scum has played well. I think I'm okay with the outcome the way it is.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Also, if I /in, can I be the SuperSaint Jester? I get lynched all the time.

Sadly you have the same odds as faust.

We should do a bastard game where each person is assigned roles that suit them or something. (And avoid the temptation to make faust Jester, Galz Survivor, Ash Priest, etc. Which is tough, because that's funnier.)

[chairs]

I call Vig

[mcmcsalot]

/in haven’t read anything

[arishipshape]

We should do a bastard game where each person is assigned roles that suit them or something. (And avoid the temptation to make faust Jester, Galz Survivor, Ash Priest, etc. Which is tough, because that's funnier.)

I would totally play that.

[Swowl]

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

[mcmcsalot]

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

I think they are supposed to be board games. I’ll take Avalon or Carcassonne.

[Glooble]

/in, seeing as I'm dead in Ds9 now.

[Glooble]

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

[MiX]

Coup

Add that for me too. So BattleCON/Star Realms/Coup.

[WestCoastDidds]

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

I love Camel Up!

MiX, I see you stealing our great games ideas...

[Galzria]

Ah, hell. /in

Eurorails, King Maker, Cosmic Encounters

[UmbrageOfSnow]

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

I think they are supposed to be board games. I’ll take Avalon or Carcassonne.

I'm going to abuse my mod powers and call Avalon "The Resistance: Avalon" There is nothing you can do to stop me.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?

[Uncleeurope]

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?

Again, I want to respond but need to discuss it with Snow before making rulings public.

Ties are explained in the plurality rules listed, though.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Questions about plurality lynch:

Can players still vote no lynch?
How are ties resolved?
What happens if no one votes for a whole day?
Does the Jester still win if lynched by plurality?
How does the supersaint ability work if the Jester is lynched by plurality?

Again, I want to respond but need to discuss it with Snow before making rulings public.

Ties are explained in the plurality rules listed, though.

Ah, I see. I think that covers my first three questions.

[shraeye]

we are supposed to pick a game? like any game?... oh man... is Runescape taken?

Oh yes, that game was a significant portion of my middle school years

[UmbrageOfSnow]

We kind of already discussed the last couple questions over Skype and Uncleeurope just doesn't remember I think.

No lynch is reached when half the players vote No Lynch, which you can do. Ties in the OP as you noticed.

Jester does win if lynched by plurality, that was actually part of the reason we wanted plurality in the first place. Supersaint hits the last player actually on the wagon when the lynch happens (deadline if no one has a majority, or the player that hammers, that pushes it over into being a majority lynch.)

I don't think we ever actually talked about no one voting for a whole day, but I'd say that's a No Lynch, but it's actually kind of hilarious to use the current Rules as Written with the last player to have won a board game, so lets do that. (It's pretty much theorycrafting anyway, if it were for some reason important scum could always just vote and unvote and break the tie.)

[Uncleeurope]

Oh, I remembered, I just didn’t want to write any of that out.

[Uncleeurope]

Oh, I remembered, I just didn’t want to write any of that out.

(I completely forgot)

[shraeye]

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

I love Camel Up!

MiX, I see you stealing our great games ideas...

Camel up is amazing, we played it first back when we were super sleep deprived (and at a German immersion camp).  The context hightened the experience, but it still held up 6 months later when we were on a kiddless vacation

[arishipshape]

I want to add another game! Clash of steel! In the card game Clash of Steel, the 2 players are knights trying to kill each other. They bring various weapons that are good at certain ranges and counter each other (I.E. Axe is really good at Step range but loses to sword). The players also bid stamina, trying to barely outbid the foe to win whilst not wasting valuable energy. It's very fun and one of the finest chess variants/fighting games i've ever played.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We kind of already discussed the last couple questions over Skype and Uncleeurope just doesn't remember I think.

No lynch is reached when half the players vote No Lynch, which you can do. Ties in the OP as you noticed.

Jester does win if lynched by plurality, that was actually part of the reason we wanted plurality in the first place. Supersaint hits the last player actually on the wagon when the lynch happens (deadline if no one has a majority, or the player that hammers, that pushes it over into being a majority lynch.)

I don't think we ever actually talked about no one voting for a whole day, but I'd say that's a No Lynch, but it's actually kind of hilarious to use the current Rules as Written with the last player to have won a board game, so lets do that. (It's pretty much theorycrafting anyway, if it were for some reason important scum could always just vote and unvote and break the tie.)

Well, those rules do give town the ability to get rid of the Jester without triggering the supersaint ability: everyone agrees not to vote for the day, Jester plays a game of Dominion online against the bot an hour before deadline, Jester get lynched and wins with no death. It's arguable whether that plan is pro-town but I'd lean toward saying that it is in at least some situations (it's certain there's a Jester and it's not Lylo).

Also does the Jester's inability to self-hammer also apply if they have the last vote on themselves in a plurality lynch? The wording seems to suggest that's the case but I wanted to make sure.

Sorry if this is a lot of nitpicky questions, I just want to make sure there isn't a way to game the Jester situation before the game starts, not after.

[WestCoastDidds]

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

I love Camel Up!

MiX, I see you stealing our great games ideas...

Camel up is amazing, we played it first back when we were super sleep deprived (and at a German immersion camp).  The context hightened the experience, but it still held up 6 months later when we were on a kiddless vacation

It would work well as a drinking game, I think...

[jotheonah]

We kind of already discussed the last couple questions over Skype and Uncleeurope just doesn't remember I think.

No lynch is reached when half the players vote No Lynch, which you can do. Ties in the OP as you noticed.

Jester does win if lynched by plurality, that was actually part of the reason we wanted plurality in the first place. Supersaint hits the last player actually on the wagon when the lynch happens (deadline if no one has a majority, or the player that hammers, that pushes it over into being a majority lynch.)

I don't think we ever actually talked about no one voting for a whole day, but I'd say that's a No Lynch, but it's actually kind of hilarious to use the current Rules as Written with the last player to have won a board game, so lets do that. (It's pretty much theorycrafting anyway, if it were for some reason important scum could always just vote and unvote and break the tie.)

Well, those rules do give town the ability to get rid of the Jester without triggering the supersaint ability: everyone agrees not to vote for the day, Jester plays a game of Dominion online against the bot an hour before deadline, Jester get lynched and wins with no death. It's arguable whether that plan is pro-town but I'd lean toward saying that it is in at least some situations (it's certain there's a Jester and it's not Lylo).

Also does the Jester's inability to self-hammer also apply if they have the last vote on themselves in a plurality lynch? The wording seems to suggest that's the case but I wanted to make sure.

Sorry if this is a lot of nitpicky questions, I just want to make sure there isn't a way to game the Jester situation before the game starts, not after.

It's a very risky plan for town, since scum can just vote for whoever they want a few seconds before deadline and get a free mislynch in. Though they might give themselves away if they do.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We kind of already discussed the last couple questions over Skype and Uncleeurope just doesn't remember I think.

No lynch is reached when half the players vote No Lynch, which you can do. Ties in the OP as you noticed.

Jester does win if lynched by plurality, that was actually part of the reason we wanted plurality in the first place. Supersaint hits the last player actually on the wagon when the lynch happens (deadline if no one has a majority, or the player that hammers, that pushes it over into being a majority lynch.)

I don't think we ever actually talked about no one voting for a whole day, but I'd say that's a No Lynch, but it's actually kind of hilarious to use the current Rules as Written with the last player to have won a board game, so lets do that. (It's pretty much theorycrafting anyway, if it were for some reason important scum could always just vote and unvote and break the tie.)

Well, those rules do give town the ability to get rid of the Jester without triggering the supersaint ability: everyone agrees not to vote for the day, Jester plays a game of Dominion online against the bot an hour before deadline, Jester get lynched and wins with no death. It's arguable whether that plan is pro-town but I'd lean toward saying that it is in at least some situations (it's certain there's a Jester and it's not Lylo).

Also does the Jester's inability to self-hammer also apply if they have the last vote on themselves in a plurality lynch? The wording seems to suggest that's the case but I wanted to make sure.

Sorry if this is a lot of nitpicky questions, I just want to make sure there isn't a way to game the Jester situation before the game starts, not after.

It's a very risky plan for town, since scum can just vote for whoever they want a few seconds before deadline and get a free mislynch in. Though they might give themselves away if they do.

I mean, if that plan is in effect and someone intentionally screws it up, they're pretty much obvscum.

[Uncleeurope]

I am, like, 99% sure we are going to call 0 votes a no lynch.

[Glooble]

I would love Camel Up for my flavor. Or maybe Coup.

I love Camel Up!

MiX, I see you stealing our great games ideas...

Camel up is amazing, we played it first back when we were super sleep deprived (and at a German immersion camp).  The context hightened the experience, but it still held up 6 months later when we were on a kiddless vacation

It would work well as a drinking game, I think...

Oh man, I have to try that.

[shraeye]

Camel Up, Bottoms Up.  I'm in.

But not into this mafia game yet...it's like all setup.  As somebody who barely tracks votecount that will not work out well for me.

[Uncleeurope]

Camel Up, Bottoms Up.  I'm in.

But not into this mafia game yet...it's like all setup.  As somebody who barely tracks votecount that will not work out well for me.

We will all have a good giggle over you trying, though. <3

Now choose your game(s) of choice.

[WestCoastDidds]

Debate wants to give it a whirl so I’ll /out because we don’t think we can play together.

[shraeye]

Camel Up, Bottoms Up.  I'm in.

But not into this mafia game yet...it's like all setup.  As somebody who barely tracks votecount that will not work out well for me.

We will all have a good giggle over you trying, though. <3

Now choose your game(s) of choice.

The best game is Acquire

[silverspawn]

/in

Tiny Epic Galaxies! (You have to pick a baord game, right?)

[Uncleeurope]

Yup, you’re in.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

/in

Gloomhaven, Zombicide: Black Plague, Betrayal at House on the Hill, and Arkham Horror

[WestCoastDidds]

Camel Up, Bottoms Up.  I'm in.

But not into this mafia game yet...it's like all setup.  As somebody who barely tracks votecount that will not work out well for me.

We will all have a good giggle over you trying, though. <3

Now choose your game(s) of choice.

The best game is Acquire

The old school Aquire that is a bookshelf game? We have a dusty old copy and lurve it.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

We also need DebatePro to formally confirm that he's interested, unless I missed it somewhere.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

And yeah, Acquire is underrated.

[shraeye]

Camel Up, Bottoms Up.  I'm in.

But not into this mafia game yet...it's like all setup.  As somebody who barely tracks votecount that will not work out well for me.

We will all have a good giggle over you trying, though. <3

Now choose your game(s) of choice.

The best game is Acquire

The old school Aquire that is a bookshelf game? We have a dusty old copy and lurve it.

I've got a new edition of acquire, which has much better stocks/money, but a much sadder board

[WestCoastDidds]

We also need DebatePro to formally confirm that he's interested, unless I missed it somewhere.

He’s waffling.i think he likes the drinking version better.  If we need one more, I’ll play. But if someone else wants to /in, no problem

[Uncleeurope]

We also need DebatePro to formally confirm that he's interested, unless I missed it somewhere.

He’s waffling.i think he likes the drinking version better.  If we need one more, I’ll play. But if someone else wants to /in, no problem

Any version can be a drinking version.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

/out

Sorry, I'm not going to have as much time as I thought I would.

[Joseph2302]

/in

Though I'm V/LA from 5-8th April

[faust]

Fine, there are no other games, /in

Pandemic Legacy, Terraforming Mars, Consentacle

[raerae]

Fine, there are no other games, /in

Pandemic Legacy, Terraforming Mars, Consentacle

Season 1 or 2?

[faust]

Fine, there are no other games, /in

Pandemic Legacy, Terraforming Mars, Consentacle

Season 1 or 2?

I'm going to go with Season 2.

[Galzria]

Fine, there are no other games, /in

Pandemic Legacy, Terraforming Mars, Consentacle

I do enjoy a good campaign such as Legacy.

[jotheonah]

Is that the hammer?

[Uncleeurope]

Is that the hammer?

I think we need one more.

Someone /outed I think.

I will check again out of optimism.

[raerae]

Is that the hammer?

I think we need one more.

Someone /outed I think.

I will check again out of optimism.

So what's the verdict, UncleEddie?  Two spots left?

[MiX]

By my extensive calculations (1 left, 2 joined, we needed 2 more), it's 1 left! Cmon raerae you're already here!

Also Debatepro should probably say something here...if he's playing, which he should.

[Uncleeurope]

What MiX said, one very open spot, and one only kinda closed spot.

Debatepro has his foot in the door, he just hasn’t entered yet.

[jotheonah]

Well, we're close to starting. I'm going to go ahead and claim Jester.

[gkrieg13]

Not as busy anymore, so I guess I'll /in

[WestCoastDidds]

Debate is a no. I'll play if we need that spot filled, but if there is someone else for that slot, go forth and conquer, friends!

[Uncleeurope]

Officially at one slot left with those two posts.

[silverspawn]

I'll be with zero access from 25.04 to 05.05. I think at this point that means I have to /out, since otherwise that could mean needing a replacement on day 3 or somthing.

[gkrieg13]

Games are Gloomhaven, Scythe (with the campaign expansion of course), and St. Petersburg

[WestCoastDidds]

okay, /out for real this time.  Too much lynchpool hijinks and end of the semester madness for the time being for split my time.

xoxo

[shraeye]

okay, /out for real this time.  Too much lynchpool hijinks and end of the semester madness for the time being for split my time.

xoxo

Your semester is already ending!!??

[WestCoastDidds]

okay, /out for real this time.  Too much lynchpool hijinks and end of the semester madness for the time being for split my time.

xoxo

Your semester is already ending!!??

In two and a half weeks!!  The struggle is so, so real...

[Uncleeurope]

I think that means two slots left. I think...

I wish I could edit the first post to make this clear, but I am doing my best here.

[gkrieg13]

I think that means two slots left. I think...

I wish I could edit the first post to make this clear, but I am doing my best here.

If you quote the first post and make the changes then post it, I can edit the first post and replace it with your new post.

[jotheonah]

We probably can't start until Snow returns from wherever he's gone anyway, right?

[SpaceAnemone]

Gkrieg still exists!!

I'll /in for that :-)

[MiX]

We are officially not in any mafia game: this is obviously not acceptable. Someone hammer this!

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg still exists!!

I'll /in for that :-)

Yep!  Just finishing up my last two classes, then I’ll hopefully have a little bit more time!

[EFHW]

I don't like plurality lynch, but this game looks fun. What's that game where you build a space ship and fly it through all kinds of dangers? I can never get anyone to play it with me. /in

[faust]

Soo can we start?

[EFHW]

Galaxy truckers!

[SpaceAnemone]

I forgot to say games! Haddock gave me Azul for my birthday, so that's my first pick, because it's both mechanically interesting and very pretty :-) Also, Space Base is good if I need a backup choice.

[shraeye]

Galaxy trucker?

[shraeye]

Galaxy truckers!

Hey, no fair answering your own question

[EFHW]

Galaxy truckers!

Hey, no fair answering your own question

How about this one - it's a super complex long game where you follow the course of evolution with hexagons (I think). It takes like 5 hours to play one game.

[EFHW]

Galaxy truckers!

Hey, no fair answering your own question

How about this one - it's a super complex long game where you follow the course of evolution with hexagons (I think). It takes like 5 hours to play one game.

I remembered, but I'll let you answer first! This can be my back up game.

[EFHW]

Time's up. Dominant Species.

[Uncleeurope]

I’m making an attempt to reach out to Snow, I will probably wait a touch and hope he makes it back. Never modded before, and I’ve been told the first time is special so I’d rather do it with Snow. But if he doesn’t show it’s only fair that I ty to run it (LL offered to assist if Snow continues to be MIA).

We might have to figure out a new theme though, but I dunno.

Sorry for the delay, folks.

[Uncleeurope]

Also a big thanks to gkrieg for updating the main post with the player list and the thread title.

[gkrieg13]

Also a big thanks to gkrieg for updating the main post with the player list and the thread title.

No problem.

[Galzria]

I don't like plurality lynch, but this game looks fun. What's that game where you build a space ship and fly it through all kinds of dangers? I can never get anyone to play it with me. /in

Space Alert?

[Uncleeurope]

I don't like plurality lynch, but this game looks fun. What's that game where you build a space ship and fly it through all kinds of dangers? I can never get anyone to play it with me. /in

Space Alert?

While the incorrect answer, that is a great game. And also super hard to get people into.

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't like plurality lynch, but this game looks fun. What's that game where you build a space ship and fly it through all kinds of dangers? I can never get anyone to play it with me. /in

Space Alert?

While the incorrect answer, that is a great game. And also super hard to get people into.

I ran a Space-Alert-Themed mafia game on here that took over a year to fill :-P

[Uncleeurope]

Surprisingly fitting.

[jotheonah]

I hope Snow’s ok. He never responded to DS9 prods or replacement notifications.

[WestCoastDidds]

I hope Snow’s ok. He never responded to DS9 prods or replacement notifications.

Retweet

[gkrieg13]

I hope Snow’s ok. He never responded to DS9 prods or replacement notifications.

He tends to do this. Last time he was in the middle of modding a game when he left.

[EFHW]

I could co-mod if UoS doesn't surface.

[Uncleeurope]

I am very close to contacting him, thank you all again for your patience.

And LL already offered to help me out with modding, EFHW, and since you are already signed up I will probably enlist him if it comes to that.

[faust]

Nothing yet?

It would be good not to let this game sit for too long. If you don't feel like modding all of it, I would probably go and open another game in the meantime.

[LaLight]

or I could still mod this game

[Joseph2302]

Nothing yet?

It would be good not to let this game sit for too long. If you don't feel like modding all of it, I would probably go and open another game in the meantime.

I agree with faust, longer this game doesn't start, the more likely it is people will just out

[Uncleeurope]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to delay this long except I got a surefire way to contact him 2 days ago, the problem is he hasn’t responded even to that. If I don’t hear anything by the end of the day I will be asking LL to fill his shoes with whatever flavor he desires.

If Snow responds saying he can do it I will probably be selfish and wait a bit longer if it means allowing him to comod with me.

I really am sorry, guys. I want this game to start soon as well. Hopefully it will be up and running in no time.

[Uncleeurope]

Snow has confirmed he is going to talk to me tomorrow.

Thanks again for your patience as I sort this out.

[arishipshape]

Hi! It's been a while since I signed up. I'm just shooting a message so that everyone knows I'm still in.

[Uncleeurope]

Okay, LaLight is in charge now, when he next pops in, I will get him to work on setting up the game.

Thanks once again for your patience, and giving me the time I needed to contact Snow, makes me starting without him easier knowing he okay'ed it.

Also thanks to LaLight for helping out.

[silverspawn]

What's with UoS?

[Uncleeurope]

What's with UoS?

He is fine, a combination of factors locked him out of being able to communicate with me which coincided with him suddenly becoming too busy to do have time to get online. He plans on helping comod when his life settles down in the future.

[EFHW]

Do you two know each other irl?

[Uncleeurope]

Do you two know each other irl?

Never met him, but we have been online friends for years.

[EFHW]

Do you two know each other irl?

Never met him, but we have been online friends for years.

Neat.

[LaLight]

I will get to this tomorrow.

[chairs]

I almost forgot this existed