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[silverspawn]

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

You're saying that you will vote for ari next no matter what faust flips, if ari votes for faust. 

How does ari voting for EFHW change your opinion of ari?

Because I have a stronger scumread on her than him. If she flips town then I'd lunch him but I don't think that will happen. And I can't see a world where they're all (EFHW, mail-mi, and Ari) town. I know it's TECHNICALLY possible, as so many people are keen to point out, but I don't think it's likely.

I think that's not only technically possible but the most likely option looking only at setup stuff...

but don't listen to me if it makes you vote ari today.

[raerae]

Still,  I'd drop a lot of hammers today; but I'm not dropping EFHWs

I'd like it noted that I think it's absolute trash that your IC opinion is more important than mine. You aren't even entertaining the possibility that I might be right and you think it's ridiculous that I won't just blindly vote with you. Schism created.

[raerae]

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

You're saying that you will vote for ari next no matter what faust flips, if ari votes for faust. 

How does ari voting for EFHW change your opinion of ari?

Because I have a stronger scumread on her than him. If she flips town then I'd lunch him but I don't think that will happen. And I can't see a world where they're all (EFHW, mail-mi, and Ari) town. I know it's TECHNICALLY possible, as so many people are keen to point out, but I don't think it's likely.

I think that's not only technically possible but the most likely option looking only at setup stuff...

but don't listen to me if it makes you vote ari today.

So we have Mason, Mason, Cop, Cop Enabler, AND Motion Detector? Two investigative roles and two ICs with night chat? That seems insane to me but I guess that's the frustration and the fun of a closed set-up, right?

[shraeye]

I think we should vote together.

I said not EFHW, you said not faust.

One of us is listening to the other.

[shraeye]

The cop Enabler weakens the cop; motion detector can be a detrimental role, especially because it appears there is one NK (possibly ninja) and one mail-mi tracking.  So EFHW was likely to get misinformation/out the stronger investigative role.

[shraeye]

So it's not crazy overpowered if all claimers are town.

[faust]

I'll vote for him tomorrow if he votes faust and literally everybody else has him marked as scum. You really going to tell me that lunch won't go through in two seconds flat??

You're saying that you will vote for ari next no matter what faust flips, if ari votes for faust. 

How does ari voting for EFHW change your opinion of ari?

Because I have a stronger scumread on her than him. If she flips town then I'd lunch him but I don't think that will happen. And I can't see a world where they're all (EFHW, mail-mi, and Ari) town. I know it's TECHNICALLY possible, as so many people are keen to point out, but I don't think it's likely.

I think that's not only technically possible but the most likely option looking only at setup stuff...

but don't listen to me if it makes you vote ari today.

So we have Mason, Mason, Cop, Cop Enabler, AND Motion Detector? Two investigative roles and two ICs with night chat? That seems insane to me but I guess that's the frustration and the fun of a closed set-up, right?

That is a valid point to raise, but really it just says EFHW is unlikely to be telling the truth regardless of what ari is.

[faust]

The cop Enabler weakens the cop; motion detector can be a detrimental role, especially because it appears there is one NK (possibly ninja) and one mail-mi tracking.  So EFHW was likely to get misinformation/out the stronger investigative role.

Also every PR added weakens the Neapolitan, so the Enabler really weakens it twofold.

[raerae]

I think we should vote together.

I said not EFHW, you said not faust.

One of us is listening to the other.

So why did you unvote faust? Was it my amazing person of persuasion?

[shraeye]

yeah; that's literally why I'm off faust.

Why are you still on EFHW?

[faust]

{Joseph, silver, Uncle, ari} 

Well from this list I am definitely staying on silver. I would also vote both ari and Eddie to prevent a Joseph lynch.

Not sure why Debate is off this, but I guess that can wait until tomorrow.

[shraeye]

Debate could be added, he's just my towniest non-PR read.  I'm unsure if I'd hammer him.

[raerae]

yeah; that's literally why I'm off faust.

Why are you still on EFHW?

Because I think she's scum, I don't like your alternative (Joseph), and you haven't given me an argument I agree with for why she's town.

[shraeye]

I think faust is scum;  I'm not convinced by your argument that he's town.  But I've dropped it.

Why are you not seeing how confusing/frustrating it is that you are calling me out for not ranking your opinion next to mine??

[shraeye]

My alternatives are literally anyone but you me and EFHW.  I don't know how many times Ive said how willing I am to hammer away.

[EFHW]

I'm not saying I know something you don't.  I'm saying that it's self-defeating to pretend we couldn't possibly try to figure out if it is bussing or mislynch.

What I'm saying is that it is currently indistinguishable.

[shraeye]

that's fair, EFHW. Point taken.

[raerae]

I think faust is scum;  I'm not convinced by your argument that he's town.  But I've dropped it.

Why are you not seeing how confusing/frustrating it is that you are calling me out for not ranking your opinion next to mine??

I'm saying "I won't vote faust" and you're saying "Nobody can vote EFHW." See the difference?

Regardless, this is getting us nowhere and you don't need me to lunch, if you don't like where I am don't vote there.

[shraeye]

I think we do need to coordinate to lynch.

We need to get 5 people behind something; we have very very few hours left.  At least two people have said they won't be here near deadline.

I teach up until 10 minutes before deadline.

I'm not sure we can get 5 on anyone without you and I agreeing.  That's why I've dropped faust.

[shraeye]

If 2 town can't vote, and 3 scum say "nah, they're so towny we can't possibly hammer", then we will not get to 5.

So basically at this point, it feels like we are stuck voting for someone an absentee is already on, or praying that scum will bus for us.

[shraeye]

The split might not be that drastic, but it doesn't look good from an optimistic angle either.

[shraeye]

How's silver?  Can we both go there?

He's faded in and out of my scummy list; I see scummy actions, but emotional pleas that get to me.  Not as strongly town-feeling as DebatePro's, but that's what keeps sending silver back towards neutral.

The end-of-day where he oopsie-hammered ari still stands in my mind.

[raerae]

How's silver?  Can we both go there?

He's faded in and out of my scummy list; I see scummy actions, but emotional pleas that get to me.  Not as strongly town-feeling as DebatePro's, but that's what keeps sending silver back towards neutral.

The end-of-day where he oopsie-hammered ari still stands in my mind.

I don't like it.  My biggest scumread got a negative result on him and is voting for him. 

[silverspawn]

How's silver?  Can we both go there?

He's faded in and out of my scummy list; I see scummy actions, but emotional pleas that get to me.  Not as strongly town-feeling as DebatePro's, but that's what keeps sending silver back towards neutral.

The end-of-day where he oopsie-hammered ari still stands in my mind.

What emotional pleas? I think I've played a rather clean game without trying to emotionally manipulate someone.

You giving me scumpoints for the inattention makes absolutely no sense and has never made sense. You have never given a single reason why that would be more likely to come from scum.

[Uncleeurope]

Hey, people, we are saying no to Joseph? Why?

If not Joseph, then who?


I can talk for a bit, so let’s try to line our votes up on someone bad. Out of the people in question I am most interested in Ari, then Joseph, after that either Silver or Debatepro. And then me, I’m last.