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[shraeye]

DebatePro: even townier;
#964 when he reacts to "dunce hat was weird" reads so much like frustrated town.  Somebody (can't remember) didn't even believe THIS post was genuine.  It totally was, dudes.

DatSwan: scummier, a lot;
#957 his reads on EFHW was soooo hedgy.  His response was "you asked me about a player I found null".  Yeah, but you didn't give me a null explanation; you gave me super-hedge.
#959: keeps pushing mason claim dialogue.  Despite saying "I don't want to put pressure on this" he is actively encouraging people to keep discussing it.....which (SURPRISE!) puts pressure on it.  He also engages faust in a discussion about this; a better alternative for somebody who doesn't want to put pressure on it is just to drop it.
#1041: start of a long case on EFHW.  I don't think both of them are scum.  If I had to pick right at the moment of this post, I would pick DatSwan to lynch.
#1110: Specifies the different beteween EFHW and faust is the hammer.  I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE READING THE SAME DAY1 AS ME.  Seriously, that was a sloppy shitshow at the end, both people were 100% willing to hammer, basically with the unvoting ari did, I don't see how you can say that the specific vote order in those last LITERALLY 10 MINUTES has any bearing at all.
#1124 still hasn't answered the question on his Day1 shift of how he reads raerae.
#1205

This "all is lost, might as well vote Ari" is soooo scummy it gives me a double read.  DatSwan = scum, Ari = town.


silver: townier.
#1079 echoes a thought I've had for a while;  really the reason that I keep townreading raerae so hard.  She is doing NORMAL AND HELPFUL THINGS AND IT SEEMS THAT EVERYONE KEEPS SHITTING ON HER.  (Pre-defense.  yeah yeah yeah, no votes on her today, but still getting shit is seems)
#1087 - 1092, a discussion about raerae's wagon.  This reads as super genuine.  Definite town-points.

mail-mi:
#1113

i am honestly barely keeping up right now, I'm currently drowning in homework and overscheduling. I don't like debate too much, ari seems a little fake, silver i've got nothing on, and joseph is joseph. Those are just off the top of my head. I don't know when I'll be able to get into this game, but I hope it'll be soon.

I've been there; I feel what he's feeling.  This is not lurking, this is unavailability.  I'm throwing down my IC-pass.  Lynch mail-mi all you want tomorrow.  IT WILLLLL NOOOTTT HAPPEN TODAY.  NO.

Uncle: much scummier
#954 he's wary of DebatePro
#1037 he's wary of DatSwan and Ari
#1038 he's wary of joseph
I fake-voted for him in #1069 just to see what peoepl would do, at that point I had a townread on him.  My recollection was that nobody said a thing (other than faust -- "nah" -- and Uncle - "ahem") despite plenty of time to do so.  Given how much "wariness" he's thrown around, you think at least one town would have a kneejerk OMGUS attitude to him.  We're either way chill, or Uncle is way townier than I understand, or he scum-partners didn't worry too much about the shade he was throwing.
#1260 another thing feels off, another person he's wary of.  The total is what now? 5? 6?  That's the majority of unknown players, from his perspective.
#1268 agrees that EFHW is scummy.  I think he gives townread to Silverspawn here (but is willing to reevaluate)

Ari: no change

Ari did not feel fake on Day1 to me, as silver says in #990.  His second thoughts at the end actually MIRRORED exactly what I was thinking.  But I was too emotionally invested to quit that lynch.  The fact that he struggled, but was willing to does NOT read to me as a scum-thought.  I think ari is an easy-lynch candidate, a few peopel were mentioning him feeling "off" on Day1.  I did not like this case one bit.

Josephs: still null
#1093 Ari reads joseph as cool for "providing information".  Man, I feel like I'm reading a different thread.  Information??

faust: same, slightly less sure on towniness.

raerae: same

EFHW: townier
Specifically, I look at her #1167 defense, which feels fine; and trying to decide between EFHW and DatSwan
Abut about #1307.  Why not DatSwan>

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 2.5


DatSwan (3): EFHW, arishipshape, Joseph2302
arishipshape (3): silverspawn, Uncleeurope, DatSwan
mail-mi (2): Debatepro, faust
Debatepro (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (2): raerae, shraeye

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
Day 2 ends February 11, 2019, 05:00:00 pm

[raerae]

raerae, why do you think mail-mi is a bad lynch choice?

Don't mean to be a Petty Betty but...

Joseph mail-mi just feels townie. I didn't give any reasons because I can't.

[shraeye]

So here it is, folks: the final tally.

These people are getting IC-passes.  You literally are not allowed to lynch them:
mail-mi
raerae
faust


I think these people are town, please don't lynch them:
Ari
DebatePro


This is null:
Joseph

Scummish:
Silver -[is suspicious, but my suspicions are going down.  My notes show a link between silver and Uncle, and also Silver/DatSwan.  So if either of those turn up scum, feel free to increase the scumread here.]

Here is my lynch pool...I have a STRONG preference for hte first two
DatSwan
UncleEurope
EFHW

[shraeye]

If I was to call a scumteam right now I'd say

DatSwan/UncleEurop/silverSpawn

I could see the third being Joseph instead.


EFHW would be on the team if I were wrong about DatSwan. (in that case I pick EFHW/Uncle/Joseph)

[faust]

raerae, why do you think mail-mi is a bad lynch choice?

Don't mean to be a Petty Betty but...

Joseph mail-mi just feels townie. I didn't give any reasons because I can't.

I mean that's fine, i just didn#t remember you voicing that opinion. it#s a much better reason to not lynch mail-mi than what shraeye posted anyway.

[shraeye]

If UncleEurope is scum, here is the BEST way to find his partners (note, I haven't done this yet)

See all of the players he's said were scummy at anytime.  Delete anybody he's voted for.  The rest is looking super super bad.

[faust]

Anyone who wants to be part of the rebellion, feel free to join me on the mail-mi wagon. we are the 99%, occupy the town, and smash the shraeyecracy!

[raerae]

I'm game for DatSwan lynch.  I will not under any circumstances vote for mail-mi and will absolutely assign scumpoints to anybody who does.

[raerae]

shraeye, you got anything else to kill considering you're likely to be the NK?

[shraeye]

I did the Uncle-test:
raerae, faust, Joseph, silver, DebatePro are leftover. 

I'm deleting raerae/faust (because that's how I feel and I can)

So Joseph/silver/DebatePro get more suspicious.

[faust]

I did the Uncle-test:

Amazing technology these days. I knew about paternity tests, but this just takes it one step further!

[shraeye]

I'll call Jerry Springer.

[shraeye]

Interesting to note that all 3 people on Ari are scumreads of mine.  For the record, I usually scan straight past votes when reading, so just noticed it now.

[raerae]

Vote: Uncleeurope

[shraeye]

Alright so here is a current reads list following my read:

Scum:
faust
Debatepro
ariship

Slight scum:
Datswan
EFHW

Null:
Joseph
Eddie

Slight town:
raerae
silverspawn

Conf!town:
shraeye
mail-mi

I dislike this reads list.

- lists both current wagons as scum but mail-mi votes somewhere else. That's like, trying to keep your options open while at the same time hoping that a wagon goes through without you joining it. Also, literally everyone who ever got a vote today is listed as scummy I think. Talk about opportunistic.
- there are no townreads. Seriously. 5 people are scum or slight scum, but the only townreads are 2 in a "slight town" category. The majority of people here are town, you should have more townreads.

Here's something I want to respond to.  There ARE townreads, plus with his level of engagement, isn't the more towny thing to lean towards suspicion??  At least that's my instinct; read through, find suspicious stuff.

[faust]

Here's something I want to respond to.  There ARE townreads, plus with his level of engagement, isn't the more towny thing to lean towards suspicion??  At least that's my instinct; read through, find suspicious stuff.

This reasoning seems to be completely at odds with your reasons to scumread Eddie.

[shraeye]

Here's something I want to respond to.  There ARE townreads, plus with his level of engagement, isn't the more towny thing to lean towards suspicion??  At least that's my instinct; read through, find suspicious stuff.

This reasoning seems to be completely at odds with your reasons to scumread Eddie.

It's mail-mi pulling together a reads-list.  Uncle's case was me noticing sporadic posts all with the same theme
"I'm worried about X"

followed 100 posts later with "I'm worried about Y".  No apparent followup, just scattershots of suspicion.

[silverspawn]

I don't quite get the reluctance to vote for mail-mi. I certainly get that university can be a lot of work, but no-one is arguing that we should lynch mail-mi for lack of activity. The case didn't even mention that.

[shraeye]

Having 5 scumreads is not scummy.  Casually mentioning 5-6 incidents of suspicion through the course of the day is.  mail-mi's reads list did not seem intended to "convince us" or "steer conversation".  Uncle's posts did feel like "see what sticks"

[faust]

I'm game for DatSwan lynch.

Vote: Uncleeurope

Why not DatSwan?

[faust]

Having 5 scumreads is not scummy.  Casually mentioning 5-6 incidents of suspicion through the course of the day is.  mail-mi's reads list did not seem intended to "convince us" or "steer conversation".  Uncle's posts did feel like "see what sticks"

I fail to see how pointing out things that you noticed while reading is anything but natural town behaviour.

[shraeye]

I don't quite get the reluctance to vote for mail-mi. I certainly get that university can be a lot of work, but no-one is arguing that we should lynch mail-mi for lack of activity. The case didn't even mention that.

It's just not happening today.  Go crazy tomorrow when I'm dead. Whatever you want.  But I officially redirect this discussion

*redirection intensifies*

[shraeye]

It's a version of the classic "that's interesting" scumtell, faust.

[silverspawn]

faust can you explain in two or fewer sentences what's scummy about DatSwan?