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[Swowl]

One could argue if your plans are generally Pro-Town regardless of alignment, then it is skummy to make town wait to hear said plan.

No it isn't if letting scum hear the plan isn't part of the plan.

I mean i guess that makes sense... but that means never stating the plan. So why even say there is a plan?

[SpaceAnemone]

Deadline is Sunday evening for me, so I don’t foresee any problems being around.

It's possible that you, Awaclus and e are the only ones who can be there easily! I may be awake, but it's early for me because I'm a night owl and Sundays are for ensuring I get enough sleep to face the week ahead :-P

Everyone else: that means that the "least number of additional votes to lynch" mechanic comes into play, and those three between them probably get to decide who dies if the rest of us don't form a firm enough consensus.

[SpaceAnemone]

I mean i guess that makes sense... but that means never stating the plan. So why even say there is a plan?

If he didn't state that he had a plan, he wouldn't get to be the centre of attention without doing any actual scum-hunting :-P

I was going to say that I have no good reason to scumread him for it, since that's just what he does most games. However, in this game we're explicitly talking about how it's an anti-town thing to let the game stall just because he's announced an intent to post a plan for future discussion, and he's aware that people are doing exactly that kind of stalling (whether he thinks they should or not...), and yet he's still not revealing his alleged plan. So I guess that is a bit anti-town; I just don't feel like that sort of anti-town play is all that alignment-indicative coming from Ashersky :-(

[SpaceAnemone]

Space Count

Robz888 (1): Galzria
hypercube (4): 2.71828....., Glooble, Robz888, mail-mi
DatSwan (1): Awaclus
mcmcsalot (3): WestCoastDidds, SpaceAnemone, hypercube
ashersky (2): DatSwan, jotheonah
jotheonah (1): LaLight
Not Voting (2): mcmcsalot, ashersky


Galz has been awol for more than 48 hours, and his preceding post was a day and a half before that.. so he's not exactly been engaged. The Robz vote did not seem to be cast based on game-play.

Glooble and mail-mi have expressed some interest in moving to mcmc, or at least acknowledging my reasoning there. I should stress that any actual scum-reads people have are things they should definitely vote on, and my case on mcmc is only that all other things being equal, it's better to lynch dead weight than a more active towny. (Lynching scum is better, but is not something I typically expect we can do on D1 anyway).

Ash and e have both indicated that mcmc's low participation level is indicative of him being town. I take the point, but TBH, there's far too much acceptance of people going long periods without meaningful contributions now, so I think hard lurking is a strategy people could get away with as scum far better now than when I first joined the forum. Therefore I'm not at all willing to give significant townpoints for his disappearance.

Awaclus looks quite lonely on the Swan wagon there. Not long ago he was schooling Swan about how making wagons one vote larger is always pro-town.. does that mean he thinks it's untowny to sit on lonely solitary wagons instead of making existing ones bigger?

[mcmcsalot]

im in mid catch-up btw apologies for the absence

[mail-mi]

1. SpaceAnemone - is doing regular SpaceAnemone things, from what I remember. Slight town read.
2. jotheonah - Still seems a little too flippant. Scum read
3. LaLight - Um... don't remember anything in particular right now, null read
4. DatSwan - same as above, though I suppose if everyone decided to sheep Awaclus I could join
5. mail-mi - is me
6. Awaclus - is Awaclus. As always, slight scum read
7. 2.71828..... - seems to be good. Wouldn't prefer to lynch today
8. WestCoastDidds - seems townie to me, wouldn't prefer to lynch
9. Robz888 - is in robz's d1 laze. Eh, null read
10. hypercube - preferred lynch
11. mcmcsalot - lurking, but I agree with e's and ash's posts though. Less sure about lynching him
12. ashersky - null read
13. Galzria - Lurking, but is a vet. Would also lynch him, probably over mcmc
14. Glooble - want to give him a d1 pass, but if everyone wants to lynch him I will

[WestCoastDidds]

im in mid catch-up btw apologies for the absence

Hooray! You've been missed!

[mcmcsalot]

Okay so the hyper cube wagon was a good day one wagon and went away based on people bringing up other worse wagons and not attacking the validity of the cube wagon. vote: hypercube

[mcmcsalot]

also e, mail-me, ash and wcd are all super towny.

[mcmcsalot]

can confirm ash plans are bad for scum.

[jotheonah]

Okay so the hyper cube wagon was a good day one wagon and went away based on people bringing up other worse wagons and not attacking the validity of the cube wagon. vote: hypercube

What was the case on her again?

My issue with that wagon is all my scumreada are on it.

[jotheonah]

Also what are you taking about “went away”? It’s currently the leading wagon...

[WestCoastDidds]

I'm also interested in hearing the case on hyper. It seems like it started because he was reminding us of the plurality lynch, and I don't find that scummy.

I am feeling the argument that dead weight is a better lynch than an active player, and hyper has been active. If mcmc is gonna start playing with us, I'll move to Glaz. Is she starts playing to, then hyper looks more attractive to me. LL is less active than I'd expect, too. I forgot she was playing until I read Mail-mi's list.

My biggest town reads are Space, mail-mi, and Swan.

[mcmcsalot]

Also what are you taking about “went away”? It’s currently the leading wagon...

oh it is good, it felt like people stopped discussing it. Interesting that the votes stayed.

It actually started from him making a scummy vote for joth

Vote: Jotheonah

This felt like pouncing on mail-mi for something that might very well be wrong but was not especially likely to come from scum. (Town needs no help tricking itself into mass claiming.)

When does scum ever actually do this? Scum doesn't need to pounce at this juncture. Scum just needs to wait for a good-looking town wagon and slide onboard.

Well, scum wants to look like they're.scumhunting.

vote: joth

vote: hypercube

This is exactly the position scum wants to be on the wagon. Voting for someone who already has votes, and turning a couple votes into an actual wagon

I know that didn't make much sense, I'm having a hard time putting my thoughts into words. I hope you (meaning the general populus)understands what I'm trying to say

[mcmcsalot]

Also I can second robz who said mail-mi votes very mid consciousness

[Awaclus]

Awaclus looks quite lonely on the Swan wagon there. Not long ago he was schooling Swan about how making wagons one vote larger is always pro-town.. does that mean he thinks it's untowny to sit on lonely solitary wagons instead of making existing ones bigger?

It would be pro-town of people to join this wagon to make it bigger.

[mcmcsalot]

Awaclus looks quite lonely on the Swan wagon there. Not long ago he was schooling Swan about how making wagons one vote larger is always pro-town.. does that mean he thinks it's untowny to sit on lonely solitary wagons instead of making existing ones bigger?

It would be pro-town of people to join this wagon to make it bigger.

whats the swan case? he feels less swany this game but not sure what that means alignment wise

[Awaclus]

whats the swan case? he feels less swany this game but not sure what that means alignment wise

What isn't the swan case?

[jotheonah]

LL is less active than I'd expect, too. I forgot she was playing until I read Mail-mi's list.

LL is in LyLo in another game, so I’m inclined to cut her a little slack on that account.

[Awaclus]

LL is less active than I'd expect, too. I forgot she was playing until I read Mail-mi's list.

LL is in LyLo in another game, so I’m inclined to cut her a little slack on that account.

Please don't talk about other ongoing games.

[LaLight]

I am also really confused on D1 pretty much always. I will try to be here at deadline, but no promises, it's a weekend after all

[LaLight]

nevermind, it's 4 am

[hypercube]

oh it is good, it felt like people stopped discussing it. Interesting that the votes stayed.

It actually started from him making a scummy vote for joth

That vote was fine. I stand by the point that joth's vote for mail-mi could be explained as scum trying to look like they're scumhunting, since mail-mi floating a flavour claim isn't really something that points to scum. It was also good to get the first non-RVS wagon going.

People haven't been discussing the case against me because it's not a good case, and scum have no motivation to engage with the people who have been pointing that out since the wagon keeps rolling regardless. The case is mostly based on me having read the setup; as you perhaps remember from M119 I'm someone who likes to engage with the setup in general.

[Glooble]

My vote for cube is actually based on what looked to me at the time like a very suspicious vote for me. It seemed like she was trying to deflect the case on her that was obviously building, what with e promising a great case on cube.

That case turned out to be underwhelming though.

E is feeling very pro-town to me partially because she’s been defending me and my wagon looks to me like it would be the easiest one for scum to push, since I’ve admittedly said some scummy things. But I admit that logic is only useful if you know I’m town, and at this point only I know that.

I’m wondering how much of the cube wagon right now is herd mentality/ fear of a plurality lynch.I think the main driver of the hypercube wagon is e, so I’d love to see more defense of it from her.  I still have a scumread on cube, but some of it is admittedly OMGUS-related. But combined with the fact that we do get some really useful intel in the event that she does flip town, and I think she has a slightly better chance than others of flipping scum, I’m going to keep my vote where it is.

That being said, I’d love to see everyone on the cube wagon offer a similar explanation of their thought process, if only to give us more to analyze day two.

[SpaceAnemone]

my wagon looks to me like it would be the easiest one for scum to push, since I’ve admittedly said some scummy things.

Again, I find myself disagreeing with you. You're the one person multiple people have said is getting a D1 pass due to being back after a long absence. If you're town, I think scum aren't going to waste their time trying to push a mislynch because of townies stating they just don't want to vote for you. I think the most likely people to have voted for you are townies who think you're actually scummy.