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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #625 on: January 23, 2019, 03:38:45 pm »

vote: 2.71828.....

1-shot cop is also something I would expect useful for the guys who can't recruit scum.

oh, and we don't have any reason to believe it's 1-shot. Survivor-cult-cop is so beautifully elegant

We should talk about the fact that LaLight voted for the claimed cop and her justification is that e's claimed power makes her likely to be part of the recruiter faction (which is explicitly not scum). LaLight, why are you voting for someone you don't think is scum?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #626 on: January 23, 2019, 03:44:03 pm »

Anyways, I'll post a reads list while things are fresh in my mind

1. SpaceAnemone: Pretty towny D1, hasn't done much D2. Nullish town overall
2. jotheonah: I'm fairly sure she's town at this point
3. LaLight: Null
4. DatSwan: Started an argument with Awa (which I thought felt like it could be staged), asks a lot of questions which don't seem particularily incisive. Nullish scum, probably where I'd be voting if I wasn't voting for mail-mi right now
5. mail-mi: Nullish scum
6. Awaclus: Townish null
7. 2.71828.....: Pretty towny. I don't like that people just agreed with her cop claim uncritically but overall I think signs point to her being town
8. WestCoastDidds: Nullish town
9. Robz888: Hasn't done much other than vote for my wagon (which is bad). Nullish scum
10. hypercube: that's me irl
11. ashersky: Town
12. Haddock: I like what I've seen so far, so I'll give her a town read for now
13. Glooble: A good number of towny posts and a decent number of scummy posts. Was on my wagon, mcmc's wagon, and ash's wagon, which is kind of scummy. Probably a townish null read but not a terrible lynch choice since lots of people have expressed opinions on her.

I'm digging this list, although i'd put LL in the scumish list, too. I had originally found Swan towny, but increasingly not so much. Same with mail-mi. None of this are super well defined....mostly just a sense of things.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #627 on: January 23, 2019, 03:50:16 pm »

I would be happy to start an LL wagon. I also think we should be looking at Robz.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #628 on: January 23, 2019, 04:03:23 pm »

Robz said she was swamped at work so maybe we give him a minute.... But at some point, dude.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #629 on: January 23, 2019, 04:22:16 pm »

What makes you so certain joth is town?

Maybe it's because she keeps buddying me!

Well, mostly it's because she's been under a lot of pressure and I think she's handled it pretty well overall. She's not playing afraid of people scumreading her, which I like. I also think the cases she's built have been reasonable, and seemed to reflect town thinking.

I'm not so certain of this that I think joth is above scrutiny; certainly if mail-mi flipped town that would cause me to reevaluate my read on joth.
She was definitely playing afraid earlier. All through d1 and into early d2.  Less so now maybe.

She was defensive I thought but not afraid. If you're afraid you probably don't keep doing things like blatant SK hunting.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #630 on: January 23, 2019, 06:46:31 pm »

I would be happy to start an LL wagon. I also think we should be looking at Robz.

I think LL's thing about criticizing Joth for SK-hunting (which was mostly directed at Ash), then scumreading e because e's role was just the sort of thing that the apparent recruiter faction would have is almost too lazy to be scummy. It also misses that e and Ash are kind of linked by e's claimed PR result on Ash, which I don't think he'd feel the need to claim as scum. That is, unless e and Ash are on the same scum/recruiter faction.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #631 on: January 23, 2019, 06:47:46 pm »

I think it's most productive to reserve judgement on e and Ash till later, given that they're now linked kind of, so if one flips anything other than town, we should reevaluate the other. There are lots of players we have less information or constraints than that on.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #632 on: January 23, 2019, 06:48:40 pm »

Robz said she was swamped at work so maybe we give him a minute.... But at some point, dude.

I do think it's worth us keeping him in game-consciousness, because nothing about being busy makes him any less likely to be scum.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #633 on: January 23, 2019, 07:06:28 pm »

I do tend to agree that the mail-mi vs joth thing looks bad for one of them, I just come down on the side of joth coming out looking worse.

I've been re-reading you. This was from post #612, and it feels like quite a retrograde step in your reasoning... what was going on with that?

Back at post #512 you'd said joth was talking you around, after your compliment on his mail-mi case at #507. You had voted for joth at #453, but then unvoted (and switched to Robz) at #568, which was all before this post saying that joth is the more suspicious one of a pair where things look really bad for one of them. Do things look even worse than that for Robz, being a nullish lurker?

Also, you used a smiley at #570, so you pretty much scum ;-)
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #634 on: January 23, 2019, 07:19:29 pm »

While I remember, Haddock will be at my place tomorrow evening for Games Night, so I won't even be booting my laptop while he's around, just to keep f.ds and RL properly separate. That means my content tomorrow will probably be minimal. Sorry!
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #635 on: January 23, 2019, 08:15:26 pm »

While I remember, Haddock will be at my place tomorrow evening for Games Night, so I won't even be booting my laptop while he's around, just to keep f.ds and RL properly separate. That means my content tomorrow will probably be minimal. Sorry!

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #636 on: January 23, 2019, 08:16:04 pm »

Robz said she was swamped at work so maybe we give him a minute.... But at some point, dude.

I do think it's worth us keeping him in game-consciousness, because nothing about being busy makes him any less likely to be scum.

I agree with this, but I also feel like scum!robz would put a little more effort into the game. So he's a decidedly null lurker to me rn
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #637 on: January 23, 2019, 08:29:16 pm »

While I remember, Haddock will be at my place tomorrow evening for Games Night, so I won't even be booting my laptop while he's around, just to keep f.ds and RL properly separate. That means my content tomorrow will probably be minimal. Sorry!

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #638 on: January 24, 2019, 03:51:39 am »


yeah, because being a dayvig is not the same as being IC. All things considered it's much more suspicious that joth asked for justifying his reasons to vote for ash

I also didn't think ash was IC (obviously I was on her wagon.) But I was mostly pointing out that you jumped in to answer joth's question minutes after he posted it. It seems, as I mentioned earlier, opportunistic. I'll buy the excuse that you were in a much more tense other game as a reason for not jumping in more. But it seems like you did jump in very quickly when you had a chance to persuade someone to be on ash's wagon.

That being said, Jonah's hedging in that exchange also comes off kinda scummy. Like he's trying to give himself deniability in the event ash turns up town.

So you're saying every other wagon was on my scum partner, so ash was my only way to derail everything? No. I just thought ash is scum. And mostly think so now. Maybe third-party, but i don't think ash is town.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #639 on: January 24, 2019, 03:52:54 am »

I would be happy to start an LL wagon. I also think we should be looking at Robz.

I think LL's thing about criticizing Joth for SK-hunting (which was mostly directed at Ash), then scumreading e because e's role was just the sort of thing that the apparent recruiter faction would have is almost too lazy to be scummy. It also misses that e and Ash are kind of linked by e's claimed PR result on Ash, which I don't think he'd feel the need to claim as scum. That is, unless e and Ash are on the same scum/recruiter faction.

yeah well, e could theoretically claim that if he really had the cop shot and copped ash, because if/when ash flips town, we will believe e, not so much if e will say "i copped him N1' afterwards. That is basically why I vote for e and not ash.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #640 on: January 24, 2019, 03:55:06 am »

also i would definitely vote Robz here. I mean, IRL stuff, i get it, but somehow i have an impression that in the last like 10? games Robz heavily lurked when he was scum. I think it started after M100.

yeah, let's try this: vote: Robz

Anyway if he comes here and sees the kind of wagon on him, his reaction will be more sincere
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #641 on: January 24, 2019, 03:56:42 am »

vote: 2.71828.....

1-shot cop is also something I would expect useful for the guys who can't recruit scum.

oh, and we don't have any reason to believe it's 1-shot. Survivor-cult-cop is so beautifully elegant

We should talk about the fact that LaLight voted for the claimed cop and her justification is that e's claimed power makes her likely to be part of the recruiter faction (which is explicitly not scum). LaLight, why are you voting for someone you don't think is scum?

let's talk about this.

The third party who is explicitly not scum? This doesn't work. they have their own win condition. And YOU (unless you're with them) do not know it.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #642 on: January 24, 2019, 04:00:16 am »

I see what hyper have said. But it still rubs me the wrong way. Third-parties do not work with town. maybe faust overrode this somehow, but then why wouldn't one of those third-party guys told us so? Why wouldn't hyper then convert and claim basically the same thing, but staying alive? if they are not the enemy, that is. hyper would be alive, scum would need to kill one more person. But no, hyper declined and we lose a person, who in any case would help town, being either town or so-called helping third party
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #643 on: January 24, 2019, 04:01:37 am »

sorry, I'm all over the place. tl;dr Hypercube could stay alive, changing alignment and still be quasitown, if and only if we believe that this third-party is non harmful for town.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #644 on: January 24, 2019, 04:03:13 am »

oh also i remembered a thing I was thinking yesterday: WCD said that I am not acive therefore scummy, but how does this make sense if she remembers Adventure Time Mafia, where I was one of the most active members?

my level of activity has nothing to do with my alignment
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #645 on: January 24, 2019, 04:05:32 am »

I am yet to see scum!notsurvivor!WCD, but this looks like she's trying to make the case on me, without actually voting me and seeing if someone picks up on that.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #646 on: January 24, 2019, 04:08:05 am »

anyway, I want to stay on Robz and i encourage you to build a wagon on him when he gets back
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« Reply #647 on: January 24, 2019, 04:14:02 am »

Sure. Vote: Robz
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #648 on: January 24, 2019, 04:52:03 am »

I do tend to agree that the mail-mi vs joth thing looks bad for one of them, I just come down on the side of joth coming out looking worse.

I've been re-reading you. This was from post #612, and it feels like quite a retrograde step in your reasoning... what was going on with that?

Back at post #512 you'd said joth was talking you around, after your compliment on his mail-mi case at #507. You had voted for joth at #453, but then unvoted (and switched to Robz) at #568, which was all before this post saying that joth is the more suspicious one of a pair where things look really bad for one of them. Do things look even worse than that for Robz, being a nullish lurker?

Also, you used a smiley at #570, so you pretty much scum ;-)

I'm undecided, basically. I think their fight makes one of them look bad and joth comes out looking worse. But joth has down town things lately so I'm reserving judgement. But yeah if you made me pick one of them to vote for it would absolutely be joth.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #649 on: January 24, 2019, 04:53:16 am »

"done town things"*.
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