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[EFHW]

I don't see why scum would redirect a town onto Galz two nights in a row.

At least it sounds unlikely.

Him botching a fakeclaim is weird too though.

Godfather would show as town. But why would scum target Galz so much? We also can't see any effects of all this targeting .

[EFHW]

No town redirect means scum killed gkrieg on purpose?

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe they knew he was a cop.

[EFHW]

I was just going to say maybe they have a rolecop.

[EFHW]

Robz's claim could be a fakeclaim.  None of the details are verifiable.

[iguanaiguana]

Robz's claim could be a fakeclaim.  None of the details are verifiable.

McMc verified that he was vanillaized before he died, and Robz reacted the way his PR would react here:

Go to bed, bro! Don't get divorced.

So, I fully believe mcmc was this role, lost it, and is now VT. Too weird to make up.

He could be town or scum, however. This info doesn't help us there.

This post basically reads as "It was my PR that made him vanilla; therefore it isn't a town tell that he got vanillaized, but it did happen."

Of course it is possible he's a scum vanillaiser who was planning to claim town vanillaiser from the beginning. He definitely has a scummy role. But Robz is in his town meta too.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I'm going to look more closely at the claims tonight.

You always sound confident that we are not lynching you.

I meant tonight as in a couple hours from now, not at the end of this game day.

I took your meaning lol.

Just wanted to make sure iguana did.

Thanks for clarifying!

Does it change your statement?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm going to look more closely at the claims tonight.

You always sound confident that we are not lynching you.

I meant tonight as in a couple hours from now, not at the end of this game day.

I took your meaning lol.

Just wanted to make sure iguana did.

Thanks for clarifying!

Does it change your statement?

Yeah. I misunderstood that you were planning to reveal your thoughts on the claims next game day, which sounded weird. I get it now. You also said something earlier about how you'll reveal your role 'tomorrow' if you don't get killed tonight. That made me think, huh, he's not expecting to get lynched today and when I saw both statements that was why I misunderstood the second one.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I'm going to look more closely at the claims tonight.

You always sound confident that we are not lynching you.

I meant tonight as in a couple hours from now, not at the end of this game day.

I took your meaning lol.

Just wanted to make sure iguana did.

Thanks for clarifying!

Does it change your statement?

Yeah. I misunderstood that you were planning to reveal your thoughts on the claims next game day, which sounded weird. I get it now. You also said something earlier about how you'll reveal your role 'tomorrow' if you don't get killed tonight. That made me think, huh, he's not expecting to get lynched today and when I saw both statements that was why I misunderstood the second one.

Ah, yes. I was inconsistent with my language there. Sorry for any confusion. As for sounding confident that I'm not getting lynched, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't think I'm getting lynched so that's probably why it sounds like that.

I looked at the claims like I said I would and I didn't find much. Robz's claim is interesting to say the least. It could be scum hiding behind supposedly targeting an Ascetic N2 to explain why he ended up targeting someone regardless of his read on them or unlucky town hitting an Ascetic scum (although it got us a free lynch).

[iguanaiguana]

If Robz were fakeclaiming scum, he probably had better options.

1) Don't claim to have vanillaized McMc. If worried about a tracker, claim that you did something else to McMc.

2) Claim that you vanillaized McMc, but then claim something else. Don't claim to have tried to vanillaized Eevee.

There was no expectation from any of us that he would have been 2-shot compulsive. It takes a lot of creativity to make something like that up. If you are going to be creative, why not make up something that doesn't sound scummy?

[iguanaiguana]

IDP saying that the only weird looking claim is Robz' claim and ignoring Galzria's claim is scummyAF.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

IDP saying that the only weird looking claim is Robz' claim and ignoring Galzria's claim is scummyAF.

Please show me where I said that.

[iguanaiguana]

IDP saying that the only weird looking claim is Robz' claim and ignoring Galzria's claim is scummyAF.

Please show me where I said that.

I looked at the claims like I said I would and I didn't find much. Robz's claim is interesting to say the least. It could be scum hiding behind supposedly targeting an Ascetic N2 to explain why he ended up targeting someone regardless of his read on them or unlucky town hitting an Ascetic scum (although it got us a free lynch).

[IDontPlayThisGame]

IDP saying that the only weird looking claim is Robz' claim and ignoring Galzria's claim is scummyAF.

Please show me where I said that.

I looked at the claims like I said I would and I didn't find much. Robz's claim is interesting to say the least. It could be scum hiding behind supposedly targeting an Ascetic N2 to explain why he ended up targeting someone regardless of his read on them or unlucky town hitting an Ascetic scum (although it got us a free lynch).

I'm not seeing the bit where I said the only weird claim is Robz's.

[iguanaiguana]

You said you didn't find much, then you only talked about Robz.

Were you planning to add more later?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

You said you didn't find much, then you only talked about Robz.

Were you planning to add more later?

People already brought up the Galz thing. I don't have anything to add to it at this point, but no one said anything about Robz. If I have something to contribute, I'll bring it up.

[iguanaiguana]

Ok, to me it looked like potential scum partner deflection. Especially because EFHW had just brought up Robz too. So you ended up backing that up but ignoring the Galz stuff, which IMO is weirder and scunmier.

[EFHW]

If Robz were fakeclaiming scum, he probably had better options.

1) Don't claim to have vanillaized McMc. If worried about a tracker, claim that you did something else to McMc.

2) Claim that you vanillaized McMc, but then claim something else. Don't claim to have tried to vanillaized Eevee.

There was no expectation from any of us that he would have been 2-shot compulsive. It takes a lot of creativity to make something like that up. If you are going to be creative, why not make up something that doesn't sound scummy?

I can see what you are saying, but the choice of Eevee feels convenient. I wouldn't vote Robz on the basis of just this, but it's worth noting.

[EFHW]

I found this on mafiawiki:

"Sometimes, an Ascetic killing role, such as an Ascetic Goon, Vigilante, or Serial Killer, forgoes its protection on a night when it is performing a kill."

What if scum!Robz was hoping to remove Eevee's guilty child role? We'd need an explanation for why it didn't work, though, assuming faust would tell Eevee that he would lose his protection if he did the kill. The nk didn't go through N2. Maybe he kept his protection as a result?

[Awaclus]

I found this on mafiawiki:

"Sometimes, an Ascetic killing role, such as an Ascetic Goon, Vigilante, or Serial Killer, forgoes its protection on a night when it is performing a kill."

What if scum!Robz was hoping to remove Eevee's guilty child role? We'd need an explanation for why it didn't work, though, assuming faust would tell Eevee that he would lose his protection if he did the kill. The nk didn't go through N2. Maybe he kept his protection as a result?

There's no need for the Vanillaizer in that scenario because scum can change roles by killing anyway. It is a bit weird why Eevee never got rid of his Guilty role, though, and the best explanations I can come up with off the top of my head are:

1) someone else in the scum team had a worse negative utility ability that they needed to get rid of
2) Eevee was immune to the role changing mechanic

[EFHW]

Galzria's claim is more problematic, in any case. He says he was targeted 3 times, including twice by town, and there is no evidence of any of those targetings. Jimmmmm could possibly have given him the bulletproof, but I would expect him to hang on to that until reads were stronger. gkrieg seems to have investigated Awaclus. mcmc said he targeted Eevee N1. If a godfather targeted him, that means two scum used night actions on him N1, with no apparent effects.

[Robz888]

Vote: Galz

I am having a hard time seeing how it's possible for him to be telling the truth. Basically the only way would be a scum!redirector. Which is definitely possible, this is RMM, and faust has put redirectors in games before. But Galz being scum seems a bit neater.

I had forgot about the whole scum absorbs the PR of the person they kill thing. So Eevee did the kill in order to shed his nerf, but the kill failed and he remained nerf'd... he targeted the BP'd player, maybe. My Vanilla-izing likewise failed because he's ascetic.

Kinda cool that ascetic was a drawback here for scum.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Galz

I am having a hard time seeing how it's possible for him to be telling the truth. Basically the only way would be a scum!redirector. Which is definitely possible, this is RMM, and faust has put redirectors in games before. But Galz being scum seems a bit neater.

I had forgot about the whole scum absorbs the PR of the person they kill thing. So Eevee did the kill in order to shed his nerf, but the kill failed and he remained nerf'd... he targeted the BP'd player, maybe. My Vanilla-izing likewise failed because he's ascetic.

Kinda cool that ascetic was a drawback here for scum.

Also EFHW and I protected eachother that night, so scum shooting one of us is a likely answer. Note that DatSwan claimed Jim took no action N1 too.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: Galz seems right to me.

[iguanaiguana]

Er Vote: Galz