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[Swowl]

I have to say, though, I'm awarding zero townpoints for this hammer.. what's the point of making any sort of a big deal out of who hammers if there's no way scum's going risk any kind of delaying tactic anyway. I still very much think it's in town's best interests for the day to run on, and in scum's best interests to make it short before they have to risk interacting more.

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I mean I can go either way so I am not arguing with the idea, but the concept is kinda weird.
If the day is to go on it would be with the purpose to hunt for skum longer. But like... Assuming that Eevee is skum, doesn't that kind of give Mafia control of the day. They can maneuver appropriately already knowing there is no chance that they will be lynched today if we have already decided to lynch Eevee regardless. Does that make sense?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I don't see a reason to prolong the day.

[Hydrad]

I'm fine with the day ending soon also.

[SpaceAnemone]

If the day is to go on it would be with the purpose to hunt for skum longer. But like... Assuming that Eevee is skum, doesn't that kind of give Mafia control of the day. They can maneuver appropriately already knowing there is no chance that they will be lynched today if we have already decided to lynch Eevee regardless. Does that make sense?

I really don't see how that's all that relevant. I mean, scum are often caught by looking back over how they interacted throughout the whole game, not just the day on which they're lynched. Just because we're lynching Eevee today doesn't mean the others are off the hook. I think that in situations where a bad thing is happens to one team, its own members are more likely to be stressed than the opposition, so it's a pretty good time to try to catch scum out or look at how they're behaving. Though having pointed that out I'm now probably encouraging all the scums to fake some chill.

I can see that nobody else is all that keen on the suggestion, though, and it's almost midnight for me now, so I'm not standing in any voters' way at this point.

[Swowl]

k well I am just gonna vote Eevee then. If someone wants me to hammer Ill unvote and vote back on.

Vote: Eevee

[iguanaiguana]

Galzria wants to hammer

[Swowl]

Galzria wants to hammer

Ok i missed that

[Galzria]

Galzria wants to hammer

Not doing.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Galzria wants to hammer

Not doing.

If I unvote, will you vote and I'll hammer?

[Swowl]

If the day is to go on it would be with the purpose to hunt for skum longer. But like... Assuming that Eevee is skum, doesn't that kind of give Mafia control of the day. They can maneuver appropriately already knowing there is no chance that they will be lynched today if we have already decided to lynch Eevee regardless. Does that make sense?

I really don't see how that's all that relevant. I mean, scum are often caught by looking back over how they interacted throughout the whole game, not just the day on which they're lynched. Just because we're lynching Eevee today doesn't mean the others are off the hook. I think that in situations where a bad thing is happens to one team, its own members are more likely to be stressed than the opposition, so it's a pretty good time to try to catch scum out or look at how they're behaving. Though having pointed that out I'm now probably encouraging all the scums to fake some chill.

I can see that nobody else is all that keen on the suggestion, though, and it's almost midnight for me now, so I'm not standing in any voters' way at this point.

I don't get it. I think we must mis understand each other?

I am saying that currently in the world where "There are 4 skum  remaining, all of whom know each other" the ideal of hunting for skum for the remainder of today is kind of moot. I get what you are saying about to look back on and everything... but skum either knows that;
a) Eevee will flip Skum
or
b) Eevee will flip Town

We do not have that information. So when we ask questions, even with the intent of looking back on them... IDK I just feel like that gives skum the upper hand in this spot like a lot.

I mean the exception would be I guess we could hunt by like discussing previous days and drawing out stuff about that, but I was stating this originally based on the "we are not talking about reads today" theme.

[Swowl]

Galzria wants to hammer

Not doing.

If I unvote, will you vote and I'll hammer?

You are both on the wagon

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't get it. I think we must mis understand each other?

I am saying that currently in the world where "There are 4 skum  remaining, all of whom know each other" the ideal of hunting for skum for the remainder of today is kind of moot. I get what you are saying about to look back on and everything... but skum either knows that;
a) Eevee will flip Skum
or
b) Eevee will flip Town

I'm assuming 100% that Eevee will flip scum. The mod doesn't lie.

We do not have that information. So when we ask questions, even with the intent of looking back on them... IDK I just feel like that gives skum the upper hand in this spot like a lot.

I mean the exception would be I guess we could hunt by like discussing previous days and drawing out stuff about that, but I was stating this originally based on the "we are not talking about reads today" theme.

What would we be talking about if we're in D4 now, and Eevee has been lynched, but nothing else has happened in the night? You're acting like there's no possible way of having a conversation at the moment, and that's just patently false.

I mean, I also disagree with the "we are not talking about reads" dictat, which came from Iguana and was backed up by Robz, but by no means agreed by all of town. Scum already knows who all the townies are, and they don't need reads to pick us off one by one. OTOH, for townies who don't have information-gathering roles, reads are the only way to work out who to trust and who to lynch. Why is town so happy to minimise its own chance of gaining information?

[iguanaiguana]

@Space - The proportion of scum players is high. Giving a lot of reads allows scum to create favorable endgame scenarios for themselves. Scum only needs two townies to be wrong to get a mislynch through. So if two people announce their strongest scumread is a town player, then scum knows not to kill them and can start prepping stories for that mislynch overnight.

[iguanaiguana]

If we don't share reads, then there is a decent chance that scum will shoot someone among townies A, B, and C where townies A and B both would have wanted C's lynch, thereby preventing their gauranteed win.

[iguanaiguana]

I think we should vote on whether Galzria should hammer, or whether I should hammer, or whether you think it doesn't matter and anyone could hammer.

I will hammer if a majority agrees that I should, with the contingency that if some verifiable bad thing happens to me because of the hammer that yall should look at Galz for scum. I don't understand why he wouldn't agree to those same terms if he is indeed town. It was his idea to designate a hammerer in the first place.

What say you, Galzria? Shall we put it to a vote?

[SpaceAnemone]

@Iguana, you just spent two posts saying why it's a bad idea to give reads on anyone, then immediately followed that up with a suggestion of everyone voting (presumably based on their reads?) for one of two possibly-controversial players. Am I the only one who finds it kinda funny? :-P

[EFHW]

Space volunteered, so I think they can do it.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm cool with that actually.

[Robz888]

I doubt it matters who hammers. Iguana should not be the hammerer, I guess, in case it does.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.2

Eevee (5): gkrieg13, Robz888, IDontPlayThisGame, Galzria, DatSwan

Not Voting (6): EFHW, Eevee, Awaclus, SpaceAnemone, Hydrad, iguanaiguana

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 3 ends June 20, 2018, 04:00:00 am.

[Hydrad]

If hes not hammered in like the 8 hours or so it will take me to be done my stuff i'll just hammer him.

I doubt anything will happen.

[Swowl]

I don't get it. I think we must mis understand each other?

I am saying that currently in the world where "There are 4 skum  remaining, all of whom know each other" the ideal of hunting for skum for the remainder of today is kind of moot. I get what you are saying about to look back on and everything... but skum either knows that;
a) Eevee will flip Skum
or
b) Eevee will flip Town

I'm assuming 100% that Eevee will flip scum. The mod doesn't lie.

We do not have that information. So when we ask questions, even with the intent of looking back on them... IDK I just feel like that gives skum the upper hand in this spot like a lot.

I mean the exception would be I guess we could hunt by like discussing previous days and drawing out stuff about that, but I was stating this originally based on the "we are not talking about reads today" theme.

What would we be talking about if we're in D4 now, and Eevee has been lynched, but nothing else has happened in the night? You're acting like there's no possible way of having a conversation at the moment, and that's just patently false.

I mean, I also disagree with the "we are not talking about reads" dictat, which came from Iguana and was backed up by Robz, but by no means agreed by all of town. Scum already knows who all the townies are, and they don't need reads to pick us off one by one. OTOH, for townies who don't have information-gathering roles, reads are the only way to work out who to trust and who to lynch. Why is town so happy to minimise its own chance of gaining information?

Not ignoring it space, but II answered it in the post right after this.

[Swowl]

Also Iguana, could you clarify on why you are ok with Space doing the hammer? You were so adamant about Galz (assuming because you think he is skum). Do you think Space is skummy? Or am I missing something?

[iguanaiguana]

Better than nothing if Galzria really won't do it

[Galzria]

Better than nothing if Galzria really won't do it

I won't do it because you say so, no. I have no intent to follow your lead on anything. If it's agreed that I should by others though, that's different.