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[gkrieg13]

Galz is scummier than iguana.

[SpaceAnemone]

Ach.. can I have another hour before a hammer? I have things I'd like to share, but I'm currently busy at work.

[iguanaiguana]

Unvote

But I don't see why you can't share tomorrow.

[SpaceAnemone]

I have to say, though, I'm awarding zero townpoints for this hammer.. what's the point of making any sort of a big deal out of who hammers if there's no way scum's going risk any kind of delaying tactic anyway. I still very much think it's in town's best interests for the day to run on, and in scum's best interests to make it short before they have to risk interacting more.

PPE 1

[SpaceAnemone]

Unvote

But I don't see why you can't share tomorrow.

Because it might be relevant for people with night actions.

[iguanaiguana]

I would hammer on the condition that if Eevee has a vengeful and I die for hammering him that you policy lynch Galzria the following day for suggesting that I should hammer.

I still would massively prefer Galzria to hammer.

I also am really really tempted to find all the times that Galzria has called me scum and been wrong, because there have been a ton of them, but I don't have a ton of time for that right now and I guess it's kinda pointless right now.

[iguanaiguana]

I have to say, though, I'm awarding zero townpoints for this hammer.. what's the point of making any sort of a big deal out of who hammers if there's no way scum's going risk any kind of delaying tactic anyway. I still very much think it's in town's best interests for the day to run on, and in scum's best interests to make it short before they have to risk interacting more.

PPE 1

It's not about town points, the idea is that Eevee could possibly have a role that vengekills his hammerer. At least that is what I have been thinking about.

[Robz888]

Overreacting iguana is town iguana. Galz is fairly townie too, though.

[Robz888]

Damn it, not giving reads is hard!

[EFHW]

L-1.

I think Galzria should unvote and hammer Eevee after someone else votes. Because he brought up the paranoia.

That's fine too.

Now that he's resisting it, I also think it's a good idea for Galz to hammer.

[SpaceAnemone]

Re-re-reading things in our neighbourhood, Hydrad was quite townie early on, talking in the QT about how he was trying to get things moving in the main thread etc. It was just his agreement with me on things like how mcmc had apparently slipped, and yet at the same time him still refusing to incorporate that sort of evidence into his reads, that had me really confused. Then late on in D2, he suddenly went from being worried about how I'd read him and his indecisiveness to saying that he was going to use mcmc's alignment to get a read on me, meaning that if I was pushing mcmc and he was town, he thinks I'm scummy.. which is questionable simply because scum are the ones who'd know to lynch towns, but I don't know anything about anyone's alignment.

As an aside, most scums probably don't want to end up conspicuously hammering town like I did at the end of D1, though Galz was trying to pull off something like that as scum in a game where he and IDP were my scumbuddies... it went horribly, and then when Galz fell of the face of the earth and Hydrad replaced him, he got lynched in pretty short order. So that's really not something I'd try as a scum! People who know me at all well will understand where I'm coming from there.

Hydrad has now basically cut off communication in that QT because he's sure I'm scum. I'm definitely town, but I think spending effort convincing him of that isn't as important as convincing enough people in the rest of town overall, so I think it's an abandoned neighbourhood. Just bear in mind that until one or other of us is lynched, NKing us is something scum could use to gain daychat for two of them.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

95% certain we've never been scum together, Space. I think I know the game you're talking about and I was the D1 mislynch. Unless there's another IDP around here...

[SpaceAnemone]

95% certain we've never been scum together, Space. I think I know the game you're talking about and I was the D1 mislynch. Unless there's another IDP around here...

Sorry.. Just checked back, and I meant TWM! I get the TLA people confused :-P

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm failing to word the rest of what I want to say/warn/suggest in such a way as I'm not giving away more than I want to, so I'm just going to give up at this point.

If we're playing hot potato with who lynches because of the risk of blow-back, rather than people just grabbing cred (I did find that confusing!), then I'd be happy to go for it if I'm one of the ones being scumread by certain people.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also, I'm about to disappear for about 2.5 hours, and I don't want to force stuff to be held up any longer, even though I am apparently in the minority for hoping that more interactions means more information before the next time people have to do night-time stuff.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm failing to word the rest of what I want to say/warn/suggest in such a way as I'm not giving away more than I want to, so I'm just going to give up at this point.

If we're playing hot potato with who lynches because of the risk of blow-back, rather than people just grabbing cred (I did find that confusing!), then I'd be happy to go for it if I'm one of the ones being scumread by certain people.

No, Galzria

[iguanaiguana]

I think there are a lot of interactions around Eevee to look at and it would be prudent for townies to do that before submitting any night actions.

[Galzria]

I'm failing to word the rest of what I want to say/warn/suggest in such a way as I'm not giving away more than I want to, so I'm just going to give up at this point.

If we're playing hot potato with who lynches because of the risk of blow-back, rather than people just grabbing cred (I did find that confusing!), then I'd be happy to go for it if I'm one of the ones being scumread by certain people.

You won't be hammering. You have a town tell, and you're town.

I was right about Eevee yesterday. I am fairly confident about Datswan and Hydrad still as well (as noted yesterday). Iguana is easily the scummiest person not named Eevee, Datswan or Hydrad though, and if there is in fact a scum on the Eevee wagon, it's him.

I would very much prefer one of those 3 to hammer Eevee.

[Galzria]

I think there are a lot of interactions around Eevee to look at and it would be prudent for townies to do that before submitting any night actions.

We agree.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm failing to word the rest of what I want to say/warn/suggest in such a way as I'm not giving away more than I want to, so I'm just going to give up at this point.

If we're playing hot potato with who lynches because of the risk of blow-back, rather than people just grabbing cred (I did find that confusing!), then I'd be happy to go for it if I'm one of the ones being scumread by certain people.

You won't be hammering. You have a town tell, and you're town.

I was right about Eevee yesterday. I am fairly confident about Datswan and Hydrad still as well (as noted yesterday). Iguana is easily the scummiest person not named Eevee, Datswan or Hydrad though, and if there is in fact a scum on the Eevee wagon, it's him.

I would very much prefer one of those 3 to hammer Eevee.

Rofl

[Galzria]

I'm failing to word the rest of what I want to say/warn/suggest in such a way as I'm not giving away more than I want to, so I'm just going to give up at this point.

If we're playing hot potato with who lynches because of the risk of blow-back, rather than people just grabbing cred (I did find that confusing!), then I'd be happy to go for it if I'm one of the ones being scumread by certain people.

You won't be hammering. You have a town tell, and you're town.

I was right about Eevee yesterday. I am fairly confident about Datswan and Hydrad still as well (as noted yesterday). Iguana is easily the scummiest person not named Eevee, Datswan or Hydrad though, and if there is in fact a scum on the Eevee wagon, it's him.

I would very much prefer one of those 3 to hammer Eevee.

Rofl

Says scum.

[Swowl]

Weee this has gotten fun.
Reading now.

[gkrieg13]

I feel like Galzria is just trying to get people to share their reads.  My scum read on him has gone up massively in the last couple pages.

[iguanaiguana]

Alright, just for fun, I'm going to show that Galzria has a track record of reading me wrong.

We first played together in M100, both mafia together. That game is basically irrelevant. M103, RMM46, and RMM48 are also basically irrelevant because Galzria didn't play them or pay much attention (although he didn't express a scumread on me in the speccy of RMM46, a game where I was scum.)

In RMM47, I rolled survivor vigilante and played it super pro town, killing two scum in one night, helping town win and getting MVP. Galzria scumread me that entire game! He wanted my lynch above all else while we were both alive and after he died he continued to call me a serial killer in the speccy, insisting that town needed to lynch me to win. https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/DanWheYCBKpyr <-- (see 37, 47, 59, 73).

In M113, Galzria had a super strong scumread on me after he died in the speccy and even persisted calling me scum in the speccy after the moderator had spoiled my town alignment (also in the speccy.) https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/JTZZj6yL3fEku <--(see 12, 23, 28, 38, 39, 49, 50) 38/39 is where schadd spoils my alignment and Galzria has a really hard time believing it.

I was so towny in M113! And I am super towny here. Galzria has a really bad habit of scumreading me, so I have this to say to him:

TOWN!GALZ --> If you exist, your metric for scumreading me is terrible! You always think I am scum when I'm not. Take a look at old games where you were wrong about me and learn what my town tells are! Clearly they are the opposite of whatever you think they should be! If you do this, it will be better for us all, I promise.

SCUM!GALZ --> Again, if you exist, it's a lost cause man. You're not gonna get me lynched, and trying is only going to get you lynched. So uh go ahead and keep trying, because you're scum and I want you to lose.

[Swowl]

Wait so are we keeping Eevee off of L-1 on purpose?

Also - I have no issue in being the hammerer. I have some info, but nothing that seems crazy important, and the likelihood that I gather some/any more is fairly low.
If someone has a way to force Skum to hammer, that is obviously better. But if we are risking it on unknown circumstances, as fun as the game is right now, I am probably a pretty good choice.

Want to make it supppppeerrrrr clear that is not me fishing to try and get someone to out someone or whatever. I am in agreement with the withholding info until tomorrow idea.