no c'mon stop saying stuff like this. Ok yeah TWM skummy-ish but II is nowhere near a solid town read. How do you ignore new player meta on SC and then not accept that II could be pulling an experience skum play?
Because iguana sucks at being scum.
Well I have no input on that because I have never played with Skum!II.
But I wanna say this: The list of potential PRs is looooonnngggg. If I were skum I would read this set up and say "hey you know what would work well? Take the fact that our MOD clearly stated they want to make it balanced, combine that with our PR knowledge, and then let's make some ridiculous claim first thing D1".
Here is the list of the PRs Town can have. I have crossed out the ones that I assume a Town player would not find incredible amounts of value in. Not saying they are bad roles, just saying that to make the statement "OMG my role is so super cool I feel the need to do this" doesn't match up:
Bodyguard
Commuter
Sane Cop
Doctor
Follower
JOAT
JK
Neapolitan
RB
RC
RS
Tracker
UB
Voyeur
Miller
Watcher These three roles seem very strong. However, I cannot find an upside to drawing attention to yourself if you have one of them:
Gunsmith
MD
Vig
These two roles are verifiable. So if it comes down to it, we can use that:
Mason
NZ
And then there is this one (separated because of the comment specifically about it being D3 for claims):
IC
II said something along the lines of "at mass claim.. which should probably be on D3". If it is D3IC then we will know eventually, so there is that. But the same point for the D3IC goes for the middle section... why would you say anything at all? - Just don't draw attention for 3 days, or do and hope to get reactions... either way you are more useful to town then claiming a role.
Narrowing it to the non-verifiable sections: Gunsmith, Motion Detector, Vig, and IC - Still, why would you say anything? The easy play is to not draw attention to yourself or to be active and let skum keep you alive as a lynch target. There is no way that a Town Player in a Town mindset would say "hey, you know what would help my team? drawing a ton of attention to myself with a major PR!" - Now maybe he is VT and just is actually doing a super cool thing for town, but yeah.
If it Mason or NZ we should have someone that can speak up to back II up. If they are lying that just works for us down the road.
Also to be considered:
Lyncher - could claim cop at some point and have us go for that target
Jester - to my understanding similar to a mime. kick up a fuss and get lyched to win.
Governer - seems like a strong skum role
Godfather - trying to pull a cop result that they can use to their benefit
Any which way, I do not see the upside in a strong town PR claim the way II did it. It could be a strong Town Play, but I do NOT believe they have a strong Town PR if that is the case. Does that mean we should lynch II? yes? no? IDK really. But without a doubt - II is not IC.
I think Iguana should claim, I think the soft balled comments about them being "verified IC" are skummy, and (#GoOxford) I think the quite routine on D1 followed by the talkative II on D2 just screams "I had time to talk to by partners at night".
For now I am gonna go bold and say
vote:II