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[schadd]

Vote count 2.1

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana
Cuzz (1): DatSwan
The_Wine_Merchant (1): faust

not voting (5): Robz888, mcmcsalot, Teproc, Cuzz, SpaceAnemone

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 starts now and ends monday, february 26th at 22:00 forum time. thread unlopped.

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[Cuzz]

Faust why are you voting for TWM?

[SpaceAnemone]

Here again now. I'm still in the office and it's almost midnight.. this hasn't been my day!

Exciting to under rather less suspicion than D1. I can confirm I'm 100% town :-) I still feel I'm a slightly odd target compared to Faust/Robz/mcmc, but I don't think I mind PPS's stated reasoning.

I need to play with wagons in light of the two most recent flips. I'm ridiculously tired just now, though, so that can wait till tomorrow...

[iguanaiguana]

I think Space would be a smart target for many PRs. Received some suspicion D1, not.likely to die at night. Hard to read.

[Robz888]

Here again now. I'm still in the office and it's almost midnight.. this hasn't been my day!

Exciting to under rather less suspicion than D1. I can confirm I'm 100% town :-) I still feel I'm a slightly odd target compared to Faust/Robz/mcmc, but I don't think I mind PPS's stated reasoning.

That is a scummy thing to say, why say it? Why be like "hey remember me? I was suspicious!"

[iguanaiguana]

Here again now. I'm still in the office and it's almost midnight.. this hasn't been my day!

Exciting to under rather less suspicion than D1. I can confirm I'm 100% town :-) I still feel I'm a slightly odd target compared to Faust/Robz/mcmc, but I don't think I mind PPS's stated reasoning.

That is a scummy thing to say, why say it? Why be like "hey remember me? I was suspicious!"

That's like classic town space.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Here again now. I'm still in the office and it's almost midnight.. this hasn't been my day!

Exciting to under rather less suspicion than D1. I can confirm I'm 100% town :-) I still feel I'm a slightly odd target compared to Faust/Robz/mcmc, but I don't think I mind PPS's stated reasoning.

That is a scummy thing to say, why say it? Why be like "hey remember me? I was suspicious!"

That's like classic town space.

Totally agree. What think you of Robz for finding it scummy?

[iguanaiguana]

Robs can be town for a day. Tomorrow is another day.

[Cuzz]

Robs can be town for a day. Tomorrow is another day.

what on earth?

[Swowl]

People who subsequently voted for Galzria after all the outpouring of outrage over my initial vote on him (in order of appearance):


Teproc (offwagon) - for accepting iguana math without argument (a good vote, imho)

TWM (late wagon) - sheeps Teproc (but disclaims with hesitancy) leveraging Teproc's anti-mcmc sentiments as his reasons (scummy vote)

faust (instigated the clemens wagon) - sheeps Teproc/TWM... does faust sheep, ever? uses Galz' words about people not reading him against him (scummiest vote so far)

SirClemens (never left Galz vote) - argues with his defense as well, which is sad because this was the entire point of my voting him, to trap scum not town (scum read this vote prior to his flip)

Somwhere in here Teproc acts amazed Galz has a wagon on him and, if i followed correctly, TWM revoted just for fun (null for both behaviors)

Also, right about here faust decides to switch to Sirclemens for wanting to join a popular wagon. If Galz hadn't flipped town already I'd see this as bus reversal tactic. But maybe faust is just looking to drum up some lynch wagons, I dunno. Seems odd for the sheep to cast stones at the sheep.

Teproc decides to follow faust and vote SirClemens, he quickly recants and goes back to Galz. Lynch drumming at it's finest. I don't think lynch drumming in and of itself is anyhting but null. It has to be done and there's always a pack of 3 or 4 doing it especially as the day draws to a close. That there is some cohesion at play I think looks more towny than scum as scum wants to stratify the wagons and then force a quick vote at the end instead of letting the momentum build more slowly and naturally.

Somewhere along here TWM unvotes and revotes Galz. this seems really odd to me and cuzz openly says so as well. Meanwhile the lynch drum turns to LaLight. iguana feeds this fire.

as LL wagon interest grows faust and DatSwan reiterate the importance of a Clemens lynch. Datswan goes on to try to place hard limits on the lynch pool His final pool:
Clems
LL
Space
Robz
Faust
Why he agrees with faust on lynching clemens but has faust in his pool is mystifying. Is this weak distancing?

Then the self vote. Self-voting is bad. I've tried it every possible way. It's never good. I am not 100% certain we should always punish it but I am 100% certain it should never be done. why? Because the resulting lynch is fully qualified. There's no way to sort out the bad guys on that wagon when everyone has a perfectly acceptable reason to be there. faust knows this, though and was very, very quick to jump to voting him and calling for everyone else ot do so as well instead of trying to talk him off the cliff. Newbs self vote and need some cliff talking.

For now, until further analysis comes along, Vote: faust FOS: DatSwan

I was never getting a wagon started on faust. I also quite clearly stated yesterday that I opening believe that good skum players often push busses on D1 for late game cred. Just because I said I thought faust was skummish doesn't mean everything he says is wrong. There are several reasons to not factor in your skum reads on other when deciding how you feel about a third party player. For instance, I could be wrong about faust, which would negate all the logic assumed from "what if". There is also the bus scenario.

TBH, I find it suspicious that you find this suspicious.

[Robz888]

Robs can be town for a day. Tomorrow is another day.

He gets it.

[iguanaiguana]

Robs can be town for a day. Tomorrow is another day.

what on earth?

Cuzz friendly translation:
There's interesting cases on other people so I don't think I will want to lynch Robz today, so I'm not interested in considering if he's scum just yet because that'd be hard to do.

[faust]

I like Vote: Faust too. Twm defended himself pretty well I think.

Good luck with your bad case on a town player

[faust]

Faust why are you voting for TWM?

I do not like his end-of-day behaviour one bit. It reads like "I don't want to be on-wagon for this mislynch, but I also don't want to start something else".

We have him voting for Galzria here:

vote: Galz

He's on town as we know now too.

Jeezey Pete's. Where are the people?

Vote: clems to ensure we have someone to lynch

This is where he switches. Note that prior to the switch, Clemens had only 1 vote more than Galzria. This isn't even ensuring a lynch, but "I'm voting to ensure a lynch" looks better than "I scumread a strong player who flipped town".

@TWM, how long are you around for?

On and off till deadline. I too don't like the SC wagon and would love to go somewhere else, but fear we don't have the people.

cautionary unvote for now

Now he backs up. The natural thing to do would be to go back to his former scumread who still has a wagon on him, but he doesn't.

Here do I need to vote

I would vote for someone that you have an actual scum read on. I can hammer SC if needed, but I and Space would prefer the vote to go to someone else.

Note how he doesn't say "vote Galzria" or anything like that. He doesn't want to look like he pushed town into a mislynch as he knows there'll be a mislynch anyway.

Add in this terribly pointless thing that he felt the need to follow up on today and then it didn't go anywhere:

It isn't an option today, but I will be voting for Cuzz tomorrow.

[faust]

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana

I should note that everyone on this wagon except PPS was also on the Clemens lynch, yet somehow they fault me for that.

[LaLight]

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana

I should note that everyone on this wagon except PPS was also on the Clemens lynch, yet somehow they fault me for that.

Oh come on. I went there close to deadline to get a lynch through, you know very well I didn't want to lynch the guy.

[faust]

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana

I should note that everyone on this wagon except PPS was also on the Clemens lynch, yet somehow they fault me for that.

Oh come on. I went there close to deadline to get a lynch through, you know very well I didn't want to lynch the guy.

Yeah that's scummier than my vote. If all three of you were "voting to get a lynch through" as you claim, then you could have easily lynched someone else. But you didn't because it was convenient not to.

Except iguana is still town. But you could have gotten him somewhere else if you wanted to. You didn't.

[faust]

You want to shake off responsibility for your vote and I'm not going to let that happen.

[LaLight]

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana

I should note that everyone on this wagon except PPS was also on the Clemens lynch, yet somehow they fault me for that.

Oh come on. I went there close to deadline to get a lynch through, you know very well I didn't want to lynch the guy.

Yeah that's scummier than my vote. If all three of you were "voting to get a lynch through" as you claim, then you could have easily lynched someone else. But you didn't because it was convenient not to.

Except iguana is still town. But you could have gotten him somewhere else if you wanted to. You didn't.

Well, the other competing wagon was my own? What did you want me to do exactly?

[Swowl]

I wish I had something thoughtful to say, but I don‘t, which is fitting with my performance. So I will just crack a lame joke. I guess I was lynched for not including myself in my reads list ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I missed this when it happened. This is hilarious. *Clap Clap*

[faust]

faust (4): LaLight, pingpongsam, The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana

I should note that everyone on this wagon except PPS was also on the Clemens lynch, yet somehow they fault me for that.

Oh come on. I went there close to deadline to get a lynch through, you know very well I didn't want to lynch the guy.

Yeah that's scummier than my vote. If all three of you were "voting to get a lynch through" as you claim, then you could have easily lynched someone else. But you didn't because it was convenient not to.

Except iguana is still town. But you could have gotten him somewhere else if you wanted to. You didn't.

Well, the other competing wagon was my own? What did you want me to do exactly?

More.

[faust]

That is to say, if you didn't like the wagons, you should have fought earlier and harder for alternatives. You didn't because the wagon suited you.

[LaLight]

That is to say, if you didn't like the wagons, you should have fought earlier and harder for alternatives. You didn't because the wagon suited you.

No, I didn't, because I didn't have compelling arguments for other wagons other than gut reads that I have told I had.

[LaLight]

And it didn't suit me! But it suited me more than no lynch. Let's not forget that you were the one pushing this wagon.

[Swowl]

I was town to the people who know I don't do that kind of thing as scum. Which is like everyone but you and Cuzz.

I don't know that.

me either