Notably, Watcher implies scum Rolestopper, meaning scum could have rolestopped Teproc and conveniently killed him.
The way I see it, either we have mod 1 and not mod 3 (which is the only case in which it is not safe for scum to kill Teproc) and that's why Teproc lives, or scum had a strong hunch gkrieg would be a PR and/or dangerous to them and prioritized getting him out of the way.
There is a chance that scum were worried that the Rolestopper could be roleblocked, but it's a stretch.
This post is chock full of PR speculations. Notable is the last sentence though. If Faust is telling the truth, then scum know that there's a town Roleblocker in the game. If Faust is scum, then we know that Mod 2 is OFF (he would've been counter claimed).
I see the last sentence here as far more likely to come from town than from scum. Why is scum suggesting scum might be worried about a long-shot chance of a role they know isn't in the game blocking them and getting them caught? It doesn't really follow.
What makes sense is Faust, knowing he's town and the Roleblocker, recognizing scum might make an action based on the fear of being Roleblocked - as unlikely as that is (hence, "a stretch").
I get where you're coming from with that last sentence thing, but if there's anybody who's going to come up with the stretch idea besides a town roleblocker, it would be a scum roleblocker. Then again, if he's scum, he might've argued more about a stretchy doctor idea since that's the other Mod 1 role. Eh, I'm not totally convinced, but it is a good point.
Going through arguments as I see them.
More reasoning: I'm not scum. I now know TWM is not scum. So if faust is town, do you really mean to tell me that 5 townies were voting for another one, and scum didn't want to finish the job, especially since faust's vote was fixed and couldn't change to anybody else? I just don't believe it.
That's not a particularly unusual thing to happen. Scum really loves an all-town wagon on town, and if it looks like it's going to happen anyway would avoid joining.
More reasoning: I don't like basing votes on character reads. I tried it with Robz and failed miserably. I'll try again - it's very reasonable for scum to jump out with a quick town read on me, and expecting me to be the day 1 lynch, not join in order to show up everybody who voted for me. If it wasn't for TWM's godlike intervention, I probably would be dead by now.
I think you greatly overestimate how likely you were to be lynched, but that is a common theme for you across this game.
I had a null-leaning towards skummy feeling on him to start with, and after a PR claim when scum is throwing perfect to start D3 seems like a straightforward scum play.
It should be obvious that I, as town, have a very good reason to claim too. I know that scum probably knows who the PRs are by now. I have information that may well die with me. So saying that scum has a good reason for a claim does not make me scum because town has reasons just as good.
That DatSwan's read on me is only based on the claim is worrying.
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This post confuses me. I think all it does is assume I'm scum and try to determine from this which modifications we have. Which seems pretty pointless, somehow I think an argument against me was supposed to be made here, but then the mind wandered. The argument i see is some theory that scum was sure enough that there Skumpy is the Doctor that they shot TWM even though they thought him likely to be protected... I don't even know what to say. I guess okay maybe (it still needs a lot of caveats, such as no mod 3), but it still makes more sense for town to do what i did.
I said 'claim your role, I have evidence against you'. Which he instantly did. That's all the facts. The question is now, as you said before, "Why would he claim then and there?" Note he didn't claim in his first post like Galzria did on day 2.
I did, in fact. Or softclaim. My first post does not make sense if not followed up by a claim.
And you know what, I'm through. What is shocking to me is that noone was able to provide any reasoning beyond they didn't like my claim. Noone even bothered to look at my play before that. There is no case, no effort, and a lot of people just responded to Skumpy's number thing without ever backing that up with anything substantial. I mean, seriously. The way my wagon is treated should raise all kinds of mislynch alarms for you guys.
PPE: 3
To respond to these posts:
1. Great, then why don't you vote RR for mentioning the wagon and not hopping on?
2. I haven't expected to be lynched since the start of day 2 when I thought Robz' dying words would carry more weight. Glad to see they didn't. I was very much expecting to be killed last night, but I wasn't, and even before Teproc said anything today, I began the day thinking I'd survive to the end (the 1-7 question was to gauge how people felt about me, or something like that, not to prepare a self-defense). I repeat: I'm a bad liar; if Skummy Skumpy is here to play, you will know.
3. Tied with the doctor, you are the last PR that I'm worried about taking information to the grave with you. Even a cop telling us information tomorrow would give us 1 good read out of 2 if they weren't roleblocked yet or scum. But if you're scum, saying there's a Flavor Cop to get people to reveal roles is a great way to make up for the Flavorless Cop, as I hope you can see.
4. That post wasn't designed to be an argument, I'd done enough of that already. It was designed to be a 'Suppose faust is scum. Does me getting roleblocked make sense?' Since I was TWM's BFF this game and he had said himself he was planning on targeting you first tomorrow, like me; yes, yes it does make sense. Of course it needs caveats, every single theory put forward this game needs caveats. At best, I'm one of mod 3, 4, or 5 and have to make assumptions about two roles. At best.
5. Yes, In your acknowledged PPE, I realized my mistake, you are correct.
Last: But at least DatSwan did make an argument against you, unlike a lot of other people. And of the 6 unknowns to you besides me, 4 have voted for you, and if you are scum, I wouldn't doubt a bus attempt. And even if you're not scum, there's probably some scum who have acknowledged you as potential scum and didn't vote to protect their dignity. Do you honestly believe that all 3 scum lie in {Skumpy, Galzria, DatSwan, XXRaptor, Andrew}?
My mislynch alarms have gone up, I admit, but I still believe you to be scum and would be fine with lynching you if need be.
Vote: RR for now though, even though I still remain wary of Chairs and suspicious of his vote.