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[schadd]

Vote count 1.4

faust (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): 2.71828..., gkrieg13, The_Wine_Merchant
2.71828... (1): Roadrunner7671
Robz888 (2): faust, iguanaiguana
gkrieg13 (2): ashersky, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Teproc

not voting (2): Robz888, Eevee

with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.

additional notes:

• neat completed game in this setup from MS: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=71753

[iguanaiguana]

Hmm. Well I don't like that at all, looked like a legitimate (if wrong) argument to me.

PPE: I knew you were responding to faust, but you were discrediting the Jake wagon in general, so I felt I had to respond, because I really think we should lynch Jake.

I apologize for using bad reasons to discredit a wagon that I actually think we should not pursue. That was not the best approach.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious 

That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.

First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.

Do you think it's not true in general, or just not in your case ?

Stuff

I understand your desire to defend yourself but I was just trolling.

In seriousness, I have seen a couple townie things from Jake after his first vote. He is reminding me a lot of his play in Gravity Falls mafia where he was town and I suspected him of being scum all game.

So yeah, if he's conforming to anything, it's the meta of his last couple of games where he was town. 95% sure I'm giving him a D1 pass.

Hmm. Well I don't like that at all, looked like a legitimate (if wrong) argument to me.

PPE: I knew you were responding to faust, but you were discrediting the Jake wagon in general, so I felt I had to respond, because I really think we should lynch Jake.

Again I ask why, and I think its almost opposite. I feel that as scum people with scummy metas try to be more towny.

[Teproc]

Not if they know they can get away with it (that's what happened with mail-mi in GoT and why it was on my mind, but certainly there are other examples, including any Awaclus scum win).

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I can vote jake. I have observed him changing how town game. But here he has reverted a bit, which makes me think scum. Of course this is all pseudo science so who really knows.

[iguanaiguana]

Awaclus wins games by outplaying people....

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Although I don't think. Have ever seen him as scum, so this is super pseudo science.

[Teproc]

Awaclus wins games by outplaying people....

Now this one I can tell.

[iguanaiguana]

Nope, I'm one of the biggest fans of his playstyle. I just don't have enough reserve to follow through and use it myself. Anyway, that is neither here nor there in this game.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever

[The_Wine_Merchant]

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

[Teproc]

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

Yes to both, sorry for starting it.

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

Why

[The_Wine_Merchant]

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

Why

Why do you want to know? Have you looked at my previous posts?

[JaketheBaseballGod22]

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

Why

Why do you want to know? Have you looked at my previous posts?

Because I do. And yes but it doesn't make sense to me. Reverted to what? Changing town game?

[Roadrunner7671]

"Why do you want to know?"

"Because I do"

Vote: Jake

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Alright. Here it goes:

You have been extremely interested in yourself this game. Examples:

Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful,  but I guess I was wrong.

Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.

Teproc seems like a town.

Feel like backing these up with reasons?

Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful,  but I guess I was wrong.

Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.

Teproc seems like a town.

Feel like backing these up with reasons?

Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.

I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.

Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.

Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.

Cool were back to this stuff now.

This conversation is useless

Vote: jake

Why

People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious 

That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.

First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.

I also didn't like this post:

Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?

So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust

Which you then try to spin later about not being about you, but about Joseph.

Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?

I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.

I also feel like you have an edge on your posts. These are in italics, as well as some up above (I didn't include them all, but you should get the drift) so you can see them better when I am not really sure why. They way you are talking, it seems like how someone would respond from being picked on for days and days, but what you are getting is really, really light suspicion at this point.

Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?

You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.

I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.

Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever

I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.

Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.

Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?

He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.

Isn't this how you play the game? You vote for who you think is scummy right?

People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious 

yay me

So what I mean is that I have seen more recent town games from you. And it seems like you had changed up how you played. You lost a bit of that edge to be super self-aware and respond only to others about yourself and be kinda passive aggressive when doing so. And you got mislynched, or at least heavily suspected, quite a bit because of it. But now it is back. So I am wondering if it is because you are scum and reverting back to your old meta because of it.

Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.

[Joseph2302]

Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.

[Eevee]

I rather like this case TWM is making.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I rather like this case TWM is making.

I don't even really think it is a case. I am trying to explain to Jake what my gut is telling me. I don't have evidence or anything, just examples of what I think might be happening.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.

This is the scum narrative: Jake was assigned scum. He has made progress in changing his town meta, but now that he is scum he has reverted slightly back, possibly due to feeling like he has to act like "himself" or being unsure how to act.

if you disagree, then that is fine.

[ashersky]

People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious 

That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.

I chose this to reply to, but see that TWM has continued on the theme.

I, too, have noticed that Jake only posts when it is "about him" in some way.  The clearest example was how he appeared and commented after the vote on him.  Now, the convo is mostly about him, and he's participating.  He is not commenting on anything/anyone else, even to the point of not giving response reads (or OMGUS) to the voters.

That reservedness is scummy, especially given what I recall if Jake's playing style. 

Happy to join the wagon here.

vote: jake

[ashersky]

Unannounced L3, btw.

[iguanaiguana]

Unannounced L3, btw.

Cute. I think these Jake votes are scummy, maybe not Teproc's, but the others.

[iguanaiguana]

To be specific, Ash, TWM, and Eevee look scummy for pushing Jake. Teproc looks towny for it. Roadrunner null.

Ash and TWM look partner, even.