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Miscellaneous => Forum Games => Mafia Game Threads => Topic started by: schadd on June 22, 2017, 05:05:30 pm
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welcome to M103: fleetwood mac mafia
this game will use jungle oligarchy (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jungle_Oligarchy), a relatively new open multiball setup from mafiascum for 13 players.
mod: schadd
fans: liopoil, Galzria, Awaclus
band members:
1. iguanaiguana
2. Roadrunner7671
3. 2.71828...
4. The_Wine_Merchant
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888
7. Eevee
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust
13. ashersky
The Rules:
The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.
The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.
The Rest:
1. Bold, aquamarine text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
Deadlines:
1. Days will last two to seven IRL days. D1 will last 10 of those things
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
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-\-/-\-/setup (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jungle_Oligarchy)\-/-\-/-
-8 VTs
-3 mafia goons
-2 werewolves
Mechanics:
-Day start
-Mafia have day talk; werewolves do not
-Werewolves have a factional nightkill; mafia do not
-During the day, the mafia submits a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day
-At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list
-If a list that does not contain three living players is submitted, werewolves may kill anyone they want
-If all mafia are dead, werewolves may kill anyone they want
Endgame:
-The mafia or werewolves win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
-If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.
VT
you are on team love (town).
every day you, lynch someone, it's the saaame ollld vote it used to be, and that's enough for me.
you win when all threats to love have been eliminated (but if they use you again it'll be the end of you)
mafia
you are an antagonist (mafia).
you may talk with your partners at any time in [qt]. lord, it's so good to talk to them/even sweeter than wine. during each day, the three of you may submit a list of three names that are eligible to be nightkilled by the werewolve(s) the following night, which you may change at any time before day ends.
you win when antagonists have a majority or when nothing can stop that from happening.
werewolves
you are on team infidelity (werewolves)
you may talk with your partner at night in [qt] and make the choice (when there is no choice) of who to kill from the list provided by the mafia.
you win when you obtain a full majority, or when you make up at least half of those alive and one pro-town role is alive.
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flavor:
i don't wanna know the reasons why scum lynch keeps, right on walking on down the line
i don't wanna stand 'tween you and red, honey, i just
want you to feel fine (https://youtu.be/2j_SMTtNx94?t=16s)
the theme of this game is the english-american classic rock band fleetwood mac!
-the 8 townies will be called team love, or love-aligned. they won't have individual flavors, rather, when they flip they will have fleetwood mac songs that are evocative of them or their play in this game.
-the 2 werewolves will be team infidelity, or infidelity-aligned. they will both have pre-determined flavor names that appear at flip (i assume there could within reason be times where any of the three alignments will want to claim a different alignment - i don't want to give any advantages thus. seasoned FWM fans will probably have an idea of the two members of infidelity, though.)
-the 3 mafia will be antagonists—a ragtag group of 3 miscellaneous villains, either from the fleetwood mac extended universe or issues the band members themselves faced.
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/tag at least
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How is this balanced?
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Oh never mind I got it. Looks fun!
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Looks interesting.
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/in
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/in
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Roadrunner and I will be scum together. Later someone can cite this post for their case if they want.
modited for visibility
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/in
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/tag, I like this setup. If all the werewolves die, the game becomes nightless?
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yea
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i mean i would probably still, like, have a night but there wouldn't be any night actions
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I thin in. Pease check with me before starting depending on start date.
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/in
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So /in
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Excitedly /in.
Robz linking old games has rekindled my love for mafia.
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You could even be a werewolf again in this one.
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/in
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I'm the SK, everyone.
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vote: Joseph for SK hunting
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Man, I would love to. I definitely want to play more games. But I'm seriously overwhelmed right now with the new job and I'm struggling to keep up with two games.
So.... /tag.
Maybe I'll be good to go for 104.
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/in
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/in
Yay!!
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GPOD POINT
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You know what, why not just /in. I love multiball.
note the town breadcrumb ^
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GPOD POINT
Yassss
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GPOD POINT
Yassss
Does everyone read all the older games nowadays ?
Very excited to be playing again, especially with you Robz, it's been a while... 53 games, that's a lot.
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/in
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I'm dead in a game!
/in L-1
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Hit me baby one more time!
you're off by like 2 decades champ
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/hammer
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Let's get this party started!
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I thin in. Pease check with me before starting depending on start date.
You still good?
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we can start whenever, if twm is still in. several are still vla though i think/just got back from vla like 10 seconds ago so i will probably put it off for a bit. hmmm let me just choose an extemporaneous yet fitting time here... how does Thursday, June 29 at 5pm forum time sound to you fine folks?
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Whenever is fine!
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8)
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I thin in. Pease check with me before starting depending on start date.
You still good?
Yeah. Have a VLA coming up but it isn't as large or crazy as I thought it might.
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how about i'll plan to have d1 start at the aforementioned time and send out PMs the 24hr before
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we can start whenever, if twm is still in. several are still vla though i think/just got back from vla like 10 seconds ago so i will probably put it off for a bit. hmmm let me just choose an extemporaneous yet fitting time here... how does Thursday, June 29 at 5pm forum time sound to you fine folks?
I'm moving house this weekend, so later is better for me.
But if it works for everyone else, then that's fine
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/tag
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we can start whenever, if twm is still in. several are still vla though i think/just got back from vla like 10 seconds ago so i will probably put it off for a bit. hmmm let me just choose an extemporaneous yet fitting time here... how does Thursday, June 29 at 5pm forum time sound to you fine folks?
I'm moving house this weekend, so later is better for me.
But if it works for everyone else, then that's fine
alternate solution: extend day deadlines from 7 to 10 days (which i should do anyway) so you miss proportionally less d1
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I like 7-day deadlines much better personally. I would certainly not oppose extend it for D1 for specific reasons, but I do think it's better to keept it at 7 for later days.
Fine to start whenever, meaning I'm also fine with waiting if that's more practical.
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I like 7-day deadlines much better personally. I would certainly not oppose extend it for D1 for specific reasons, but I do think it's better to keept it at 7 for later days.
Fine to start whenever, meaning I'm also fine with waiting if that's more practical.
Agree
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oh wowie wednesday june 28th at 5pm forum time was a moment ago wasn't it
sending thing'ms out in a sec
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consider this thread
locked
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re: deadline thing (https://youtu.be/f9DKVtqWTKU?t=14s)
i figure it ought to be longer since mafia also have something they need to do. but i also figure that it'll be more intuitive after the first day, so it's 10 days for d1 and 7 for subsequent
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ok pms going out now. every townie's qt title has a thing that they or the thing depicted in their username likes and the mafia and werewolves are some sort of thing
if you ever try to claim your qt title or something like that i will modkill you two (2) times
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day 1 starts at 8pm forum time on thursday, june 29 2017 c.e.
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pagetop ^
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oh also everyone confirm
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https://youtu.be/tO_IJklClD4?t=1m23s (https://youtu.be/tO_IJklClD4?t=1m23s)
the sky is the limit now
we can hit it on the nail
and when we do, i'll think about you
how can we fail?
Day 1 Starts!
Vote count 1.0
not voting (13): iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, Joseph2302, Robz888, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, faust, ashersky
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. thread unlocqued
additional notes:
- days last for a minimum of 2 irl days; if somebody hammers in the first n hours, twilight lasts at least 48-n hours
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Hi everyone!
I plan on being a new and improved TWM this game. Something to look forward to, yes?
Disclaimer: I don't know a single Fleetwood Mac song, at least not knowingly.
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Ok. Just learned Dixie Chick's Landslide was originally by Fleetwood Mac.
Also, just admitted that I listen to Dixie Chicks (http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2003/04/24/cc5f9fe7-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image550979x.jpg). :-[
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Hi everyone!
I don't particularly want RVS right now, so can someone explain to me how this is balanced? I guess when the mafia submits their list, they have to include a mafia on it or else they make POE very easy. The chances of them including a WW is also pretty high, so I guess we can analyze that too. There's more though right?
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Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
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Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
False. There is a reason it used to be pretty standard that if Robz was still alive D3/D4 we lynch him because scum kill threats, and robz is a definite threat to scum as town.
LAL
Vote: iguana
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Ok. Just learned Dixie Chick's Landslide was originally by Fleetwood Mac.
Also, just admitted that I listen to Dixie Chicks (http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2003/04/24/cc5f9fe7-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image550979x.jpg). :-[
It's not just the Dixie chicks. Plenty of people have done covers of landslide.
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Ok. Just learned Dixie Chick's Landslide was originally by Fleetwood Mac.
Also, just admitted that I listen to Dixie Chicks (http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2003/04/24/cc5f9fe7-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image550979x.jpg). :-[
It's not just the Dixie chicks. Plenty of people have done covers of landslide.
Well the one I am familiar with is them. But it is a good song regardless. Not surprising that it has a lot of covers.
vote: iguana
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Just waiting to see who else is going to vote for me so that I can figure out which ones are scum 8)
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Vote: iguana
'Wagons'
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I have a plan.
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I should be more bold about that.
I have a plan.
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Tell us your plan!
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vote: iguana!!!!!!
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Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
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Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
I'm the VT
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Also, if you don't like the plan, please just humor me. I believe I've caught scum with a similar plan before.
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vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
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vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
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I'm an SK as well
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I plan on being a new and improved TWM this game. Something to look forward to, yes?
I thought the old you was pretty decent.
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Town points for RR and J Reggie.
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In all seriousness, I'm a VT
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And LA this weekend for house move
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I like the irony of the iguana wagon.
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All the VT claimers are scummy by the way. Look in your QT and see why.
Vote: Joseph
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All the VT claimers are scummy by the way. Look in your QT and see why.
Vote: Joseph
Normally this would be pretty townie, but I think Faust would ask for the VT PM if he were scum anyway.
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Oh and there are sample PMs
♪~ ᕕ(ᐛ)ᕗ
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Very happy to be back and happy that I've actually played with the vast majority of the people here.
Also, vote: faust
(for those who aren't familiar with me/have forgotten/whatever, I don't do RVS).
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Very happy to be back and happy that I've actually played with the vast majority of the people here.
Also, vote: faust
(for those who aren't familiar with me/have forgotten/whatever, I don't do RVS).
Why faust, then?
Happy to have you back!
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Oh, and VT here too.
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Very happy to be back and happy that I've actually played with the vast majority of the people here.
Also, vote: faust
(for those who aren't familiar with me/have forgotten/whatever, I don't do RVS).
Why faust, then?
Happy to have you back!
Because his post about the VT claimers is in the scum zone of "not sure if this is serious or not". Could be just expanding on the whole JR (is that abreviation fine by the way ?) claiming thing (clearly a joke), could actually be saying people claiming VT are scummy for some reason. Scum loves nothing more than prolonging early game ambiguity.
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Very happy to be back and happy that I've actually played with the vast majority of the people here.
Also, vote: faust
(for those who aren't familiar with me/have forgotten/whatever, I don't do RVS).
Why faust, then?
Happy to have you back!
Because his post about the VT claimers is in the scum zone of "not sure if this is serious or not". Could be just expanding on the whole JR (is that abreviation fine by the way ?) claiming thing (clearly a joke), could actually be saying people claiming VT are scummy for some reason. Scum loves nothing more than prolonging early game ambiguity.
I case you have forgotten, I don't do RVS.
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Right. Well in that case you're scummy for voting based on absolutely nothing.
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Right. Well in that case you're scummy for voting based on absolutely nothing.
That's not what I'm doing.
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I claim TV.
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I plan on being a new and improved TWM this game. Something to look forward to, yes?
I thought the old you was pretty decent.
That is the nicest thing any one has ever said to me on this forum. :-*
not this (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17134.msg686892#msg686892)?
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I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
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Not a RVs- I'm just voting against someone who wants to drag the game back into RVs
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Why is everyone claiming VT?
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I've been afraid of voting
Cuz I've built my wagon on you
But POE makes us bolder
Even Ozles get older
I'm getting older too...
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Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
I can't really argue with this, actually.
https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif (https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif)
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Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
I can't really argue with this, actually.
https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif (https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif)
The high number of scums rather means we should be more ready to lynch lurkers if anything.
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Unvote before something weird happens
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vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
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Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
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vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
Will you please stop thinking that L-2 needs to be announced...
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Who was it unannounced L2 on, anyway?
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Who was it unannounced L2 on, anyway?
Maybe on the person he voted for? That's just a wild guess.
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Right. Well in that case you're scummy for voting based on absolutely nothing.
That's not what I'm doing.
Since you're staying quiet about whatever makes you think claiming VT is scummy, I rather think it was.
@JR: You might think it's serious, but really it's just silly.
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Not a RVs- I'm just voting against someone who wants to drag the game back into RVs
These are my posts so far.
Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
The purpose of this post was to push us past RVS a little faster by introducing the idea that maybe the meta-reasons that we would choose to lynch someone would change based on the high number of scum. Basically, cut the crap and move us straight to theory talk.
Just waiting to see who else is going to vote for me so that I can figure out which ones are scum 8)
I was actively following the thread and interested in the people who had decided to vote for me, curious which ones were scum, and wanted people to know that. I didn't, however, want to share my conclusions, as Awaclus has taught me that it's not always a good thing to play all your cards at once.
I claim TV.
Some people didn't understand why Faust was suspecting the people doing VT claims early. The reason is because we are not Vanilla Town, but Team loVe. I thought it would be clever and perhaps jog a town person's memory if I claimed TV instead of VT.
You accuse me of wanting to drag the game back into RVS, and I accuse you of not understanding the purpose of my posts.
Your case is worthless and you should unvote me.
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
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town read on iguana.
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
*knocks*
@iguana: No one misunderstood faust, it's just such an insanely dumb argument to make that I don't believe for a second town!faust would make it. A VT is a VT, regardless of flavor names.
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town read on iguana.
unvote
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
*knocks*
@iguana: No one misunderstood faust, it's just such an insanely dumb argument to make that I don't believe for a second town!faust would make it. A VT is a VT, regardless of flavor names.
Yup, my issue was not with you suspecting Faust but with Joseph saying I am dragging us into RVS.
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
*knocks*
@iguana: No one misunderstood faust, it's just such an insanely dumb argument to make that I don't believe for a second town!faust would make it. A VT is a VT, regardless of flavor names.
Well it doesn't say "VT" anywhere in the role PM. Town is more likely to point that out than scum. The people who claimed could have pointed it out, but didn't and are more likely scum. Apart from that it's just scummy empty posting when you could do something useful.
I'm sorry if this does not meet your high intellectual standards.
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Also I'm sorry for having postponed my Breaking Bad mafia idea. You guys clearly needed it.
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can we maybe not talk about PM wording
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
*knocks*
@iguana: No one misunderstood faust, it's just such an insanely dumb argument to make that I don't believe for a second town!faust would make it. A VT is a VT, regardless of flavor names.
Well it doesn't say "VT" anywhere in the role PM. Town is more likely to point that out than scum. The people who claimed could have pointed it out, but didn't and are more likely scum. Apart from that it's just scummy empty posting when you could do something useful.
I'm sorry if this does not meet your high intellectual standards.
You don't seriously believe any of that do you ? People didn't point it out because there's nothing to point out. I'm sure I can dig up games in which you've claimed VT despite having a PM that said something else because of flavor. Scum is more likely than town to read the setup, and more likely to generally pay attention to small details (not you, to be clear, you'd notice that as either alignment, I mean people in general).
It's not my standards it doesn't meet, because that really doesn't matter, it's yours. You're just throwing cheap suspicion around for people participating in a silly plan as part of RVS, which... I mean I don't like RVS, but I think we can agree it's not alignment-indicative. What is alignment indicative is you wanting to artificially appear townie by getting us out of RVS.
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Vote Iguana becuase why not
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Vote: Jake
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Jake, why the vote on iguana?
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I think we can agree it's not alignment-indicative.
No, we cannot.
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Robz, just to clarify, are you the danger?
Say my name!
*knocks*
@iguana: No one misunderstood faust, it's just such an insanely dumb argument to make that I don't believe for a second town!faust would make it. A VT is a VT, regardless of flavor names.
Well it doesn't say "VT" anywhere in the role PM. Town is more likely to point that out than scum. The people who claimed could have pointed it out, but didn't and are more likely scum. Apart from that it's just scummy empty posting when you could do something useful.
I'm sorry if this does not meet your high intellectual standards.
You don't seriously believe any of that do you ? People didn't point it out because there's nothing to point out. I'm sure I can dig up games in which you've claimed VT despite having a PM that said something else because of flavor. Scum is more likely than town to read the setup, and more likely to generally pay attention to small details (not you, to be clear, you'd notice that as either alignment, I mean people in general).
It's not my standards it doesn't meet, because that really doesn't matter, it's yours. You're just throwing cheap suspicion around for people participating in a silly plan as part of RVS, which... I mean I don't like RVS, but I think we can agree it's not alignment-indicative. What is alignment indicative is you wanting to artificially appear townie by getting us out of RVS.
Any suspicion is cheap at the level of the game we are currently at. I don't know what else you expect. The point is that the setup here is super simple and is some townie bothered to participate in the exercise from Reggie, he's more likely to do a joking "I'm not actually a VT" kind of post, or ignore it altogether because it's getting us nowhere, than to claim VT.
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Jake, why the vote on iguana?
becuase why not
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Calling the teproc and Faust feud as town v town
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Calling the teproc and Faust feud as town v town
What makes you say that?
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Just my feelz
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Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
Why are you thinking along these lines?
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What's with the strange questions, Eevee?
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Vote Iguana becuase why not
unvote
vote: Jake
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It just feels weird to have L-2 this early in the day, especially with no good reasons.
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It just feels weird to have L-2 this early in the day, especially with no good reasons.
Why?
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What's with the strange questions, Eevee?
Just trying to figure who's naughty and who is nice.
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It just feels weird to have L-2 this early in the day, especially with no good reasons.
Why?
Wagons happen. And wagons are information. Information is good because we have almost none currently.
And that wagon ramped quite quickly, which probably means ii is towny.
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I think we can agree it's not alignment-indicative.
No, we cannot.
You think participating in RVS is alignment-indicative ? That's new, I think. How ?
I don't disagree that early cases are made out of very little, but I think this is less than what's even required, and town!you would not bother, but scum!you would feel obligated to do something.
Re: JR, while I agree that wagons are great and all, a RVS wagon getting to L-2 is not informative, it's just kinda random. JR flipping out over it is mildly scummy, but not unreasonable.
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I don't think there was a single post of REVS this game.
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I don't think there was a single post of REVS this game.
That's, like, demonstrably wrong.
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Is "demonstrably" a word ? You get what I mean anyway.
it's one of my top 50 words i think
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I don't think there was a single post of REVS this game.
That's, like, demonstrably wrong.
What do you consider to be a random vote?
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I don't think there was a single post of REVS this game.
That's, like, demonstrably wrong.
What do you consider to be a random vote?
A vote not based on anything substantial, and not meant to indicated a willingness to lynch someone. Even being generous and counting your Robz vote as non-RVS (which I'm not, generous that is).
It's also quite irrelevant now, because we're not in RVS anymore. According to you we never were !
I like Eevee's questions. I don't like Robz's "town v town" dismissal.
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Lost a sentence in there: even being generous etc., surely you can't consider ash's vote on JR for rolefishing as serious ?
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I meant which vote in this game do you consider a randomly placed one?
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You're taking RVS literally, much like faust is taking "claiming VT" literally. In both cases, it has very little to do with what those terms actually mean.
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I'm just asking you questions, sir 8)
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Vote count 1.1
iguanaiguana (3): Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22
J Reggie (1): ashersky
Joseph2302 (2): faust, J Reggie
faust (1): Teproc
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): iguanaiguana, The_Wine_Merchant
not voting (4): 2.71828..., Robz888, Eevee, gkrieg13
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
additional notes:
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I don't think there was a single post of REVS this game.
That's, like, demonstrably wrong.
What do you consider to be a random vote?
My vote on you, I would consider random.
Ok. Just learned Dixie Chick's Landslide was originally by Fleetwood Mac.
Also, just admitted that I listen to Dixie Chicks (http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2003/04/24/cc5f9fe7-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image550979x.jpg). :-[
It's not just the Dixie chicks. Plenty of people have done covers of landslide.
Well the one I am familiar with is them. But it is a good song regardless. Not surprising that it has a lot of covers.
vote: iguana
It was a RVS sheep vote of 2.7's vote that looked RVS, as his reasoning was lynch all liars.
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
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Why do I look like scum?
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Why do I look like scum?
Early town v town feels in a high percentage scum game comes maybe more often from a perspective of some higher amount of info about others' alignments.
Let's not also forget about my stubborn confirmation bias clinging on because I randomguessed you were some kinda scum and I want to be right 8)
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Your random guess was wrong! ;D
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I'm drunk AMA
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I'm drunk AMA
Who is the best character on Lost?
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Jacob
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Jacob
The tribe has spoken, you have been voted off the island.
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
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Unvote
Sorry for voting for you Iguana, I hope you know I didn't mean it
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
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Jacob
The tribe has spoken, you have been voted off the island.
Are you softclaiming survivor???
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I'm drunk AMA
Who is the best character on Lost?
John Locke! Ben and Desmond close seconds.
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
Me---->liver that has been chopped.
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vote: jake
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vote: jake
You've played with him right ? My understanding is that he's kind of similar to RR (and they know each other IRL right ?), what's different here from his usual play ?
iguana looks townie, I think he's more reserved as scum... based on a 1-year old+ game but still.
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vote: jake
You've played with him right ? My understanding is that he's kind of similar to RR (and they know each other IRL right ?), what's different here from his usual play ?
iguana looks townie, I think he's more reserved as scum... based on a 1-year old+ game but still.
Jake's like the new default mislynch target, kind of like how RR used to be.
Although he's played well as scum as well.
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I don't like the way people are treating Robz' town v town comment. It's a thing that you can easily jump onto, that scum!Robz knows to avoid, where the scum narrative doesn't even make a lot of sense in multiball. Teproc is scummy for it. iguana maybe not.
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
Okay. I'm not seeing a scum!jake narrative yet.
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vote: Jake
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vote: Jake
Really? We're doing this? The always happens but never very good Jake mislynch.
Vote: gkrieg
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
Can't wait.
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
Can't wait.
Woo drunk mafia!
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Ok, so.
Roadrunner, The Wine Merchant, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie and Ash all have some fairly high potential to be made into mislynch candidates based on uh history.
Then you've got Faust, Teproc, Ash, and Robz who have this reputation as great players. So when you vote for them D1, someone is going to say 'hey scum, stop trying to kill our bestest maybetowns!'
I feel like Gkrieg and Eevee can get like an honorable mention in this category. Of course it's also fun how Ash is in both categories at once.
So after you remove the players who we better not lynch because we just always lynch them, and also remove the players who we better not lynch because hey we might need those guys, the PoE brings you to just me and e this game. The two who can hold their own sorta but aren't exactly raking in the MVPs.
At this point, I could vote e. I really could. But the Jake vote honestly still seems better. So really the point is, let's just play the game and not fall into lynching based on bad meta.
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Now that I've judged you all, I'm done for the day. 8)
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Love that Igu post.
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Stategically holding off posting my Iguana read.
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I mean clearly I'm a wolf with e. That is the only possible explanation for the post I just made.
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Drunk way too early in the day. So don't any of you try and ask me a damn thing cause I am going to be sleeping. So shush! Just. Shush.
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Shhhhhhhhhhh
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Love that Igu post.
It is pretty great, and an excellent demonstration of why both reasonings ("they're an easy mislynch/they're good as town") are rather flawed.
It also does not resemble the scum!iguana I played with in any shape or form. Time has passed, but still.
faust, why is Joseph town ?
PPE: 2
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Love that Igu post.
It is pretty great, and an excellent demonstration of why both reasonings ("they're an easy mislynch/they're good as town") are rather flawed.
It also does not resemble the scum!iguana I played with in any shape or form. Time has passed, but still.
faust, why is Joseph town ?
PPE: 2
His opposition to the Jake lynch reads townie. Plus I get the same kind of feeling from his posts as in Smallville.
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Where do we go from here?
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Ok, so.
Roadrunner, The Wine Merchant, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie and Ash all have some fairly high potential to be made into mislynch candidates based on uh history.
Then you've got Faust, Teproc, Ash, and Robz who have this reputation as great players. So when you vote for them D1, someone is going to say 'hey scum, stop trying to kill our bestest maybetowns!'
I feel like Gkrieg and Eevee can get like an honorable mention in this category. Of course it's also fun how Ash is in both categories at once.
So after you remove the players who we better not lynch because we just always lynch them, and also remove the players who we better not lynch because hey we might need those guys, the PoE brings you to just me and e this game. The two who can hold their own sorta but aren't exactly raking in the MVPs.
At this point, I could vote e. I really could. But the Jake vote honestly still seems better. So really the point is, let's just play the game and not fall into lynching based on bad meta.
e has been playing super strong as town lately, so I expect to see the same from him this game, and if not, I would gladly lynch him.
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I actually don't like the iguana post. It's too meta.
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Are you saying that makes me scum or just expressing personal distaste?
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Are you saying that makes me scum or just expressing personal distaste?
It certainly could. It definitely doesn't make you town like everyone is saying.
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I agree.
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I actually don't like the iguana post. It's too meta.
You don't like it because you didn't make the cut!
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I actually don't like the iguana post. It's too meta.
Disagree. It's so meta it's a bit risky, which is townie.
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Vote count 1.2
iguanaiguana (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
J Reggie (1): ashersky
Joseph2302 (1): J Reggie
faust (1): Teproc
JaketheBaseballGod22 (4): iguanaiguana, The_Wine_Merchant, Eevee, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
Roadrunner7671 (1): faust
not voting (3): Roadrunner7671, 2.71828..., Robz888
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
additional notes:
- blublulublubuBULBULUbulubulublublu
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
Well I already did Robz. 2.7 has no content so far and as for Faust it's just feels. He feels a bit slimy here.
But really I posted some super weak scum reads to keep the conversation alive because of how it is perpetually dyng.
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
Good vote. Good vote.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust
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Vote: Faust
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Vote: Faust
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Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
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Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
Vote: j reggie
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No you were supposed to help us quick lynch faust!
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No you were supposed to help us quick lynch faust!
Epic fail!
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Oh, L-2 by the way.
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And beside if I put Faust to L-1 you would just panic unvote anyways.
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And beside if I put Faust to L-1 you would just panic unvote anyways.
Ha so true
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
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Ok, so.
Roadrunner, The Wine Merchant, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie and Ash all have some fairly high potential to be made into mislynch candidates based on uh history.
Then you've got Faust, Teproc, Ash, and Robz who have this reputation as great players. So when you vote for them D1, someone is going to say 'hey scum, stop trying to kill our bestest maybetowns!'
I feel like Gkrieg and Eevee can get like an honorable mention in this category. Of course it's also fun how Ash is in both categories at once.
So after you remove the players who we better not lynch because we just always lynch them, and also remove the players who we better not lynch because hey we might need those guys, the PoE brings you to just me and e this game. The two who can hold their own sorta but aren't exactly raking in the MVPs.
At this point, I could vote e. I really could. But the Jake vote honestly still seems better. So really the point is, let's just play the game and not fall into lynching based on bad meta.
e has been playing super strong as town lately, so I expect to see the same from him this game, and if not, I would gladly lynch him.
Man, now I can't let you down. Catching up on the thread. It's probably going to be a slow weekend for me
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Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide
Vote: RR
I won't let him escape this time
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"This time" in reference to the flawless scum win rr just had.
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Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide
Vote: RR
I won't let him escape this time
Especially when they try and goad me into putting said person to L-1 so they can hammer and hide behind me getting all the blame.
vote: RR
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Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide
Vote: RR
I won't let him escape this time
Yh, seems like RR is pretty insistent on a quick lynch based on not very much.
That seems kind of scummy.
Vote: RR
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vote: rr for killing the faust wagon.
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
Can't wait.
Meh, ended up staying late and going straight to bed when I got home.
Anyways, I didn't have anything gigantic really, just thought that Iguana's big post seemed townie (as has his later play!), and Jake seeing a wagon and joining after that, only to unvote when the wagon didn't take off seemed a little opportunistic. I don't see a town narrative for voting and quickly unvoting, seemed like his motivation for joining was "because there were votes already", not "Iguana seems like he could be scum".
No idea what to think of these quickwagons. They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.
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They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.
I have doubts.
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Don't like the Jake wagon at all. He seems like the kind of townie who just likes wagonning people.
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
Because you think faust is scum, or because you think scum!RR wants to appear townie by calming stuff down ?
If it's the latter, I disagree. If it's the former, join me !
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They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.
I have doubts.
Agree with this. If town acts like they can vote for anyone and it won't result in a lynch, then scum will just vote for their partner without stressing it too much.
Also, three factions obviously means that scum is scum hunting. Especially wolves who have absolutely no reason to want mafia alive.
I could hammer, but there is more to discuss. Shouldn't we talk about optimal play for the naming mechanic? I feel like there is some theory talk to be had and maybe we can box scum in.
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Oh hey I couldn't hammer. Somehow I started thinking it only took 5 to lynch.
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you are on team infidelity (werewolves)
you may talk with your partner at night in [qt] and make the choice (when there is no choice) of who to kill from the list provided by the mafia.
you win when you obtain a full majority, or when at least half of you are alive and one pro-town role is alive.
I think the game is already over.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED
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I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.
Also, I expect to be part of the list.
unrelated but my name is earl mafia should happen at some point
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
I guess I can see how that warrants a wagon, but it just doesn't seem like scum!RR's style to me, after Smallville. If faust is scum, sure, but otherwise I don't think scum!RR puts himself in that situation... in fact the more I think about it, the less this makes sense for anything other than RR being faust's scumpartner ? Which, vote for faust then.
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
First of all, why would anyone announce L-2 there ? More importantly, this is an easy vote, really easy. Scum does want to scumhunt here, but it's not as much a priority as it is for town here, so half-hearted attempts like this one seems like where we'd find them. Probably scummier than anything faust has done actually, so vote: JR
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I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.
Also, I expect to be part of the list.
Wolves are less likely to read the setup in the first place why ?
Presumably the wincon they got into their PM was the correct one, right ? This would have been fixed already otherwise.
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Don't like the Jake wagon at all. He seems like the kind of townie who just likes wagonning people.
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
Because you think faust is scum, or because you think scum!RR wants to appear townie by calming stuff down ?
If it's the latter, I disagree. If it's the former, join me !
I'm suspicious of people willing to vote willy nilly here - for them the best case scenario is they hit the other faction and gain town cred. In multiball it's extra important for scum to have anyone but their faction lynched.
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"I want the hammer" reads to me as "I want the potential town cred for hammering scum".
It's a big difference to the usual games where scum knows they are participating in a mislynch when they vote.
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"I want the hammer" reads to me as "I want the potential town cred for hammering scum".
It's a big difference to the usual games where scum knows they are participating in a mislynch when they vote.
Since when does the hammerer get special credit ? It depends on the wagon obviously, but the hammer is generally the inevitable vote, the one that gets the least cred if there's any to be given.
I agree multiball is different, but "it's extra important for scum to have anyone but their faction lynched." isn't more true than in non-multiball: it's just that they usually don't care who gets lynched (as long as it's not them), as opposed to this where they probably want to lynch the other scum more than town... though I guess that depends on the scum.
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The difference to me is that they genuinely want to scumhunt, but they still don't care as much as town does (unless one of them is in danger). Hence JR being scum.
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I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.
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Well, let's ask. RR, why did you vote for faust there?
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I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.
Well it's 8/3/2 town/scum/werewolf. Even a random lynch has 5/13 chance of being non-town. This is higher than most other games.
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As long as people are actually thinking about it rather just jumping on wagons aimlessly, then it's okay.
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I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.
Also, I expect to be part of the list.
Wolves are less likely to read the setup in the first place why ?
Presumably the wincon they got into their PM was the correct one, right ? This would have been fixed already otherwise.
Oh come on, don't ruin it.
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I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.
Well it's 8/3/2 town/scum/werewolf. Even a random lynch has 5/13 chance of being non-town. This is higher than most other games.
What does that have to do with anything ? Being more likely to lynch scum shouldn't really change the way we go about it (aside from other multi-ball considerations I mean).
@faust: Sorry.
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Good job for getting scum me guys
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Good job for getting scum me guys
I know, I am super proud of myself. Haha
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vote: RR
L-1 btw
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I think that's just 5 votes?
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
Whatever. I like fakehammers as much as the next guy, but this is a volatile enough game that derphammers are a real risk. I wouldn't have said anything if iguana hadn't doubted L-1, which could have gotten scum cover to "derp"hammer.
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
Whatever. I like fakehammers as much as the next guy, but this is a volatile enough game that derphammers are a real risk. I wouldn't have said anything if iguana hadn't doubted L-1, which could have gotten scum cover to "derp"hammer.
So why are you intent on stopping scum from outing themselves?
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Yes, that's definitely what I'm doing.
What I'm not doing, in getting into a dumb argument with you, because you never listen.
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
In this sentence, 'him' could be me, right?
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Yes, that's definitely what I'm doing.
What I'm not doing, in getting into a dumb argument with you, because you never listen.
Well I'm not the guy in the argument who's calling the things the other does
dumb
insanely dumb
So I'm not sure how I'm to blame for the quality of the argument.
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
In this sentence, 'him' could be me, right?
Sure. Take the hammer stat.
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Wait you're not actually serious about self-hammering are you? Because there should be no reason to.
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
In this sentence, 'him' could be me, right?
Sure. Take the hammer stat.
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vote: faust
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Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat
In this sentence, 'him' could be me, right?
I'm assuming and hoping you're joking.
Unless your mafia/werewolf, then feel free
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vote: faust
Yh Vote: faust seems decent right now
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I'm not sure how I'm to blame for the quality of the argument.
Mafia play advice: if you are not content with the way that the game is going, always assume that it is your fault.
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I'm not sure how I'm to blame for the quality of the argument.
Mafia play advice: if you are not content with the way that the game is going, always assume that it is your fault.
Astonishing. I didn't know one could train pet iguanas to repeat things!
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I wondered whether voting me D1 became a thing again just as a trend or if I have been legitimately scummy in those last two scum games. Now I know.
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vote: faust
You should know that that's not actually the best way to avoid having an argument with me.
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don't mind me, just doing routine thread maintenance
yup! everything seems to be in order.
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I'll take the hammer stat.
vote: RR
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Welp
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not pagetop
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Vote count 1.3
https://youtu.be/mrZRURcb1cM?t=1m7s (https://youtu.be/mrZRURcb1cM?t=1m7s)
oh, thunder only happens when it's rainin
players only love you when they're playin
say, women, they will come and they will go
when the rain washes you clean you'll know
you'll know
fwiw i am choosing mid-day flavorsongs that are in some way mafia-ey, in advance of the time i post them
faust (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Teproc, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (5): faust, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13
not voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Robz888
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
additional notes:
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Ash was already on wagon :o
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And the mod is playing ???
and now all the pieces fall into place (for context: post 250 originally just said "however")
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Schadd could get the hammer stat.
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You could answer Teproc's question about why you voted Faust and get the game back on track.
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This game is crazy.
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You could answer Teproc's question about why you voted Faust and get the game back on track.
Me?
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RR, you can do better than this.
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This game is crazy.
I feel like I am behind. What is going on?
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J Reggie (1): ashersky
faust (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Teproc, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (5): faust, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13
not voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Robz888
ash is voting twice
thanx
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RR, you can do better than this.
For that matter, the same applies to Robz.
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RR, you can do better than this.
I thought he was talking to me because it didn't make sense for him to be talking to anyone else, but I also couldn't find your question.
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RR, you can do better than this.
I thought he was talking to me because it didn't make sense for him to be talking to anyone else, but I also couldn't find your question.
Probably because it's not my question. I think it was Eevee's ? Regardless of who asked it or what it was, you're not engaging with this game right now. Please do.
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
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Well, let's ask. RR, why did you vote for faust there?
I'm having trouble distinguishing Teproc and Robz for some reason.
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I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
Can't wait.
Meh, ended up staying late and going straight to bed when I got home.
Anyways, I didn't have anything gigantic really, just thought that Iguana's big post seemed townie (as has his later play!), and Jake seeing a wagon and joining after that, only to unvote when the wagon didn't take off seemed a little opportunistic. I don't see a town narrative for voting and quickly unvoting, seemed like his motivation for joining was "because there were votes already", not "Iguana seems like he could be scum".
No idea what to think of these quickwagons. They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.
Or i could have just unseriously voted iguana and then shortly after seriously voted for who looks like scum to me.
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Has this thread been surreptitiously locked for two hours or is there some international event going on that I'm not aware of ?
I guess it's sunday night and I'm bored, but still, there's stuff going on folks ! Eevee, do you really have nothing past "this game is crazy" ?
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I'm with Eevee, a little lost regarding what's going on. And this is my only game to focus on now, so I really have no excuse.
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
Just so you know, J Reggie is the definitive Day 1 mislynch.
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fwiw i am choosing mid-day flavorsongs that are in some way mafia-ey, in advance of the time i post them[/b]
faust (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Teproc, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (5): faust, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13
not voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Robz888
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
It's sort of crazy to me that like, everyone pretty much was voting for a wagon here for a little bit. Except RR and me, but RR was throwing a vote around too for a bit, wasn't he?
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
Just so you know, J Reggie is the definitive Day 1 mislynch.
I made a post about that!
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It was uh discussed.
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fwiw i am choosing mid-day flavorsongs that are in some way mafia-ey, in advance of the time i post them[/b]
faust (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Teproc, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (5): faust, 2.71828..., The_Wine_Merchant, ashersky, gkrieg13
not voting (2): Roadrunner7671, Robz888
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
It's sort of crazy to me that like, everyone pretty much was voting for a wagon here for a little bit. Except RR and me, but RR was throwing a vote around too for a bit, wasn't he?
Where does that lead you beyond "crazy" ? Because I know where it leads me.
And i've played with JR (I do hope that's an ok abbreviation btw,please say if it isn't) once, though I was scum and had to /out on D2... I do remember him being scummy as town I guess.
PPE: You did ? Oh you mean the big meta one.
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I am comfortable with my RR vote, but iguana is giving off small little gut scum vibes to me.
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Vote: e
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I am comfortable with my RR vote, but iguana is giving off small little gut scum vibes to me.
Me too, suddenly.
RR is also highly mislynchable so I'm going to avoid that one.
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Yeah, JR is fine. I do get mislynched a bunch, but TBH that should reflect on me and not you.
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Yeah, JR is fine. I do get mislynched a bunch, but TBH that should reflect on me and not you.
See below. It should reflect on all parties involved.
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Vote: e
Why e ?
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I'll do a big reread to try and figure out what is going on. But to be honest I haven't seen anything to say this game is crazy. So I guess I am surprised by that descriptor.
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I have decided who I think the fifth scum is but I don't want to say.
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Ah shoot, I also think I am wrong about one of them so I'm still at 4 scum reads.
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Who are the first four again ?
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
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First thing to look at is probably wagons:
Wagons at their peak:
iguana: (5) 2.7, TWM, RR, gkrieg, Joseph
Jake: (4) iguana, TWM, Eevee, gkrieg
faust: (5) Teproc, Jake, iguana, RR, JReggie
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
First thing I am noticing is that me and gkrieg like wagons apparently. Robz has completely avoided all the wagons. Is he the only one? I think so. No idea if that means anything, but it makes me want to vote for him, nonetheless
Other than that, I feel like this game hasn't been that weird. There have been wagons. But I don't know if they have been unusual or anything.
vote: Eevee
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You and gkrieg were voting together exactly. Why did you both avoid Faust?
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And the mod is playing ???
and now all the pieces fall into place (for context: post 250 originally just said "however")
Did schadd conscious not post a vote count here when ash tried a fakehammer? I don't like that particularly. schadd is clearly scum.
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RR, you can do better than this.
Teproc/RR are clearly Werewolves because they do not have daychat.
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
Just so you know, J Reggie is the definitive Day 1 mislynch.
I made a post about that!
I'm with iguana.
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I am comfortable with my RR vote, but iguana is giving off small little gut scum vibes to me.
Me too, suddenly.
RR is also highly mislynchable so I'm going to avoid that one.
Vote: Robz
(yes I am aware that this is somewhat ironic)
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Wagons at their peak:
iguana: (5) 2.7, TWM, RR, gkrieg, Joseph
Jake: (4) iguana, TWM, Eevee, gkrieg
faust: (5) Teproc, Jake, iguana, RR, JReggie
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
Wagon ratings, in terms of how likely I think it is scum joins them:
iguana > RR > faust > Jake
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
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Vote: Robz
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
Just so you know, J Reggie is the definitive Day 1 mislynch.
I made a post about that!
I'm with iguana.
Now you are with iguana!
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On that note, I shouldn't be voting faust. Back to vote: JR.
Just so you know, J Reggie is the definitive Day 1 mislynch.
I made a post about that!
I'm with iguana.
Now you are with iguana!
Cool. I should get a bumper sticker.
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Unvote I'm not sure rewarding practically doing nothing is giving the right incentives, but when I asked for clarification from Jake for his vote, what he said was just what I thought town would say (while scum I think would have tried to justify it more).
I'll take the hammer stat.
vote: RR
Interesting no one has commented on this. Ash, you knew it was not a real hammer, right?
I think I like it it as a play, but ash being aware enough of the vote count but not more present as a player seems a little scummy.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
I'm scummy because I'm building wagons rather than jumping on them? That kind of makes sense. Although you're wrong about me being scum.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
I'm scummy because I'm building wagons rather than jumping on them? That kind of makes sense. Although you're wrong about me being scum.
Err, no. You were jumping on wagons and not building them...
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I think I like it it as a play, but ash being aware enough of the vote count but not more present as a player seems a little scummy.
it's not much of a tell, given that I have talked about fakehammering just a few posts before ash's vote.
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I think I like it it as a play, but ash being aware enough of the vote count but not more present as a player seems a little scummy.
it's not much of a tell, given that I have talked about fakehammering just a few posts before ash's vote.
that's fair.
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You and gkrieg were voting together exactly. Why did you both avoid Faust?
Can't remember. You will have to ask gkrieg abouthim. Feel like it might have happened when I wasn't around but I don't think I would have voted for it anyways. Also worth noting that gkrieg always followed my vote, not the other way around.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I think I agree.
Vote: gkrieg
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This game is crazy.
I feel like I am behind. What is going on?
Yeah. I showed up right after the Faust wagon. But didn't really go back to look at it until after it had semi collpased
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
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vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
I'm scummy because I'm building wagons rather than jumping on them? That kind of makes sense. Although you're wrong about me being scum.
Err, no. You were jumping on wagons and not building them...
Ah, misread the first time. This makes a lot more sense.
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vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
Makes sense. Vote: gkrieg
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vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
It was the weekend and I had stuff to do. I don't think being active on many wagons is scummy.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
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I'm sticking to my guns and keeping my vote on e because I don't like his vibe.
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
Because opinions are like asphodels?
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
I think part of it is just because of the setup. Scum have a higher incentive to bus. They don't want to be connected to any scum flips, because they are more likely in this setup. I'm jumping on wagons more because I have liked the cases thus far and haven't been paying much attention.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
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And gkrieg, how can you say this:
I don't think being active on many wagons is scummy.
and at the same time argue that we have more wagons because scum is more likely to bus?
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
I agree. Especially in this game.
Mafia has to worry about potential night kills from WW (although leaving their names off from the list could solve that, but it is pretty suspicious in that case).
And WW only has two members. A bus, especially this early, would be extremely detrimental to them.
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And gkrieg, how can you say this:
I don't think being active on many wagons is scummy.
and at the same time argue that we have more wagons because scum is more likely to bus?
It just isn't indicative of his alignment.
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
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Here are the times gkrieg jumped on wagons. Time to find out if they were actually scummy instances or not:
Very early, first wagon. Post 66, was fourth vote.
vote: iguana!!!!!!
Looks RVSie. No issue with it
Fourth on Jake wagon
vote: Jake
Nothing really to see here. Early wagon, building for reactions?
Sixth vote (L-1) on RR wagon
vote: RR
L-1 btw
I actually don't mind this one at all. RR was just asked a perfectly valid question by Robz:
Well, let's ask. RR, why did you vote for faust there?
And answered:
Good job for getting scum me guys
So while I suppose the idea of jumping on wagons is scummy here, I am not really seeing it.
But I have convinced myself to go to RR. vote: RR
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
I stated both the iguana and RR wagons. #towncred
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
Your case on Not Voting isn't convincing anyone though.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
I stated both the iguana and RR wagons. #towncred
Started*
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I'm sticking to my guns and keeping my vote on e because I don't like his vibe.
I have a cool vibe though. Actually I have barely posted
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I'm sticking to my guns and keeping my vote on e because I don't like his vibe.
I have a cool vibe though. Actually I have barely posted
You've started wagons on two of my top town reads and you seem really proud of it.
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I'm sticking to my guns and keeping my vote on e because I don't like his vibe.
I have a cool vibe though. Actually I have barely posted
You've started wagons on two of my top town reads and you seem really proud of it.
So you are reading yourself as town then? That's tricky
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
I stated both the iguana and RR wagons. #towncred
No way. I was on RR before it was cool.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
What made you think that this is information that you should post here? How do you think it will help us?
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I'm sticking to my guns and keeping my vote on e because I don't like his vibe.
I have a cool vibe though. Actually I have barely posted
You've started wagons on two of my top town reads and you seem really proud of it.
So you are reading yourself as town then? That's tricky
But also accurate
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
What made you think that this is information that you should post here? How do you think it will help us?
Solidarity with Eevee's post.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.
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Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.
I am starting wagons. Not randomly jumping on them, so your question doesn't apply.
My point is that it is a stupid question. You just proved it my your answer.
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Stupid being an overstatement. Unnecessary might be a better choice of words.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
You know that "I didn't like faust posts" is not actually an explanation for why I am scummy?
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Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
Why?
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
I agree. Especially in this game.
Mafia has to worry about potential night kills from WW (although leaving their names off from the list could solve that, but it is pretty suspicious in that case).
And WW only has two members. A bus, especially this early, would be extremely detrimental to them.
Ok, this is a valid point. I guess I was just thinking that WW want to be on scum lynches, and scum wants to be on WW lynches.
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
I agree. Especially in this game.
Mafia has to worry about potential night kills from WW (although leaving their names off from the list could solve that, but it is pretty suspicious in that case).
And WW only has two members. A bus, especially this early, would be extremely detrimental to them.
Ok, this is a valid point. I guess I was just thinking that WW want to be on scum lynches, and scum wants to be on WW lynches.
Yeah. That isn't bussing though. Like you said above, that is scum hunting.
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And gkrieg, how can you say this:
I don't think being active on many wagons is scummy.
and at the same time argue that we have more wagons because scum is more likely to bus?
Now that I think about it, you are right. I guess it doesn't change that much for multiball. It's just that scum has a chance to be on a correct lynch when they think they are on a mislynch
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Scum have a higher incentive to bus.
That's a highly questionable assumption. I'd think the opposite is true.
I agree. Especially in this game.
Mafia has to worry about potential night kills from WW (although leaving their names off from the list could solve that, but it is pretty suspicious in that case).
And WW only has two members. A bus, especially this early, would be extremely detrimental to them.
Ok, this is a valid point. I guess I was just thinking that WW want to be on scum lynches, and scum wants to be on WW lynches.
Yeah. That isn't bussing though. Like you said above, that is scum hunting.
Yes, I'm agreeing with you, and admitting that my thinking earlier was flawed.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
You know that "I didn't like faust posts" is not actually an explanation for why I am scummy?
Faust hating that someone finds him scummy for reasons they don't explain or don't have does remind me of scum faust, but I need to see if town faust does this.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
You know that "I didn't like faust posts" is not actually an explanation for why I am scummy?
Faust hating that someone finds him scummy for reasons they don't explain or don't have does remind me of scum faust, but I need to see if town faust does this.
Actually I consciously didn't do this in my last scum game. Also I wasn't hating, just pointing out that Jake didn't actually answer the question. It's fine if he doesn't want to talk about it, but he shouldn't pretend that he does then.
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I think jumping on wagons is scummier than building them.
I also think this.
I stated both the iguana and RR wagons. #towncred
Starting one bad rvs wagon on a town and another bad wagon on a townie player earns you no town cred, sorry.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
You know that "I didn't like faust posts" is not actually an explanation for why I am scummy?
Faust hating that someone finds him scummy for reasons they don't explain or don't have does remind me of scum faust, but I need to see if town faust does this.
Actually I consciously didn't do this in my last scum game. Also I wasn't hating, just pointing out that Jake didn't actually answer the question. It's fine if he doesn't want to talk about it, but he shouldn't pretend that he does then.
I don't see town faust saying this.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
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Actually I consciously didn't do this in my last scum game. Also I wasn't hating, just pointing out that Jake didn't actually answer the question. It's fine if he doesn't want to talk about it, but he shouldn't pretend that he does then.
I don't see town faust saying this.
Let me tell you two things that would be useful to me.
1. snip long quotes. We don't need to see the whole thread of the conversation, just the relevant parts.
2. tell me why you don't see faust saying this, and other times when you point it out. I don't always do this, but the times that I do are better and it is something that you rarely do. I think it would help others.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.
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Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.
Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.
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Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.
Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.
To what point?
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
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Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.
Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.
To what point?
Convincing everyone that every town is in fact town is directly the opposite of your wincon as scum. Thought the purpose was self evident.
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c0c6941019fd8171bd84a83bb23cade548178e68e5f11edc278465b7fbb9cd74.jpg)
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.
No! Don't question it!
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Anyway, Jake is making no sense (the post saying faust is scummy for his reasons to find Joseph townie being forced, quoting a post in which faust says "I think Joseph is town" with no reason given is a pretty flabbergasting one), but I guess that's alignment-neutral ? What's not alignment-neutral is only participating when prodded.
On that subject, Robz ? We get it, you're conforming to your town meta of inactivity because your Survivor game, while townie, motivated you because you were not actually town. Now that you've established that, can you do something relevant to the game ?
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Participating only when prodded may be the defining feature of Jake's meta.
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Anyway, Jake is making no sense (the post saying faust is scummy for his reasons to find Joseph townie being forced, quoting a post in which faust says "I think Joseph is town" with no reason given is a pretty flabbergasting one), but I guess that's alignment-neutral ? What's not alignment-neutral is only participating when prodded.
On that subject, Robz ? We get it, you're conforming to your town meta of inactivity because your Survivor game, while townie, motivated you because you were not actually town. Now that you've established that, can you do something relevant to the game ?
Yeah, sorry, a bit busy these past few days, I'll get back into this soon I promise.
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Let's do some Voltaire-style premature PoEing.
iguanaiguana: Towniest player, easily. Off the table.
RR: Sure. Didn't really respond to prods as much as I think town!RR does. Could lynch.
e: Nonchalant, which is town!e, but not overwhelmingly so... enough for day 1 though, I think. Tentatively off the table.
TWM: Vaguely scummy, but I'm not sure why. Could lynch.
Joseph: No idea, as he just always seems scummy to me. Would lynch over no lynch.
Robz: See above, conforming to his town!meta when it's not that profitable because he recently had a strong town-ish performance, off the table.
Eevee: Eh. I always think he's scum, but really I have no idea. Would lynch over no lynch.
gkrieg13: No clue. Don't remember his meta well either. Don't find the votes against him particularly convincing. Would lynch over no lynch.
J Reggie: Scummy. Would lynch.
Jake: Scum. Lynch !
faust: town!faust annoys me a lot more than scum!faust, so... off the table.
ashersky. Kinda scummy actually, because he has done nothing I remember aside from a half-hearted fakehammer. Would lynch.
Well, that was unhelpful. Turns out Voltaire-style PoE only works if you have a bunch of town reads.
PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.
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PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.
I am primarily thinking of the last couple games I played with him. The finished one was RMM41 Gravity Falls.
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I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.
Not saying he's an IC, just made a townie post that I think shows he's thinking from a town mindset.
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Couldn't you tell us what the post was, so we could analyze it for ourselves?
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I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
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Well, that was unhelpful. Turns out Voltaire-style PoE only works if you have a bunch of town reads.
Actually, Voltaire himself usually took people out for reasons that have nothing to do with alignment, like activity level. I think that's part of what made his lists useful.
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I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.
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PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.
I am primarily thinking of the last couple games I played with him. The finished one was RMM41 Gravity Falls.
Yeah, his meta changed significantly since M90.
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Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
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Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
If it's pseudo-faked, does the mean it's real again?
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Post count!
iguana: 45
Roadrunner: 18
e: 13
TWM: 36
Jospeph: 21
Robz: 21
Eevee: 17
gkrieg: 19
Teproc: 39
J Reggie: 15
Jake: 11
faust: 49
ashersky: 10
Quite balanced actually. 4 active people and the rest is all around the same number. That is not too helpful.
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Post count!
iguana: 45
Roadrunner: 18
e: 13
TWM: 36
Jospeph: 21
Robz: 21
Eevee: 17
gkrieg: 19
Teproc: 39
J Reggie: 15
Jake: 11
faust: 49
ashersky: 10
Quite balanced actually. 4 active people and the rest is all around the same number. That is not too helpful.
Woo I'm in the top 50% of posters.
And this really seems like an attempt to make posts without actually doing anything actually useful
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Post count!
iguana: 45
Roadrunner: 18
e: 13
TWM: 36
Jospeph: 21
Robz: 21
Eevee: 17
gkrieg: 19
Teproc: 39
J Reggie: 15
Jake: 11
faust: 49
ashersky: 10
Quite balanced actually. 4 active people and the rest is all around the same number. That is not too helpful.
Woo I'm in the top 50% of posters.
And this really seems like an attempt to make posts without actually doing anything actually useful
Yeah because I need that. Unfortunately I cannot know how useful a post count is before I post, and once I'm done it seems like a waste to not publish it.
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I think Joseph was referring to his own post.
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Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
This kind of thing happens BTW. Here is Awaclus doing it in less mafia:
Holy shit we're going to have no idea whether we're winning or losing until the game is suddenly over!
He was mafia pretending to be town just realizing that the basic premise of the game is true. It worked; he convinced Gkrieg and won.
So yeah I would say that recent history proves it's um at least slightly scummy when someone says "I just realized" something that a person of any alignment should be able to figure out pretty easily.
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What's also a bit scummy about that post is that I had already brought this point up about 36 hours before here in a fairly short post:
Also, three factions obviously means that scum is scum hunting. Especially wolves who have absolutely no reason to want mafia alive.
So either Gkrieg is scum or he's paying, like, no attention to this game.
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I think Joseph was referring to his own post.
Nope I was referring to the meaningless post count
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What's also a bit scummy about that post is that I had already brought this point up about 36 hours before here in a fairly short post:
Also, three factions obviously means that scum is scum hunting. Especially wolves who have absolutely no reason to want mafia alive.
So either Gkrieg is scum or he's paying, like, no attention to this game.
Not paying much attention. Most of the game has been on days that are weekends, so I haven't really had a chance to do a proper read through.
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What's also a bit scummy about that post is that I had already brought this point up about 36 hours before here in a fairly short post:
Also, three factions obviously means that scum is scum hunting. Especially wolves who have absolutely no reason to want mafia alive.
So either Gkrieg is scum or he's paying, like, no attention to this game.
Not paying much attention. Most of the game has been on days that are weekends, so I haven't really had a chance to do a proper read through.
yeah, I probably won't really be able to get into this until Thursday or so. 4th of July weekend, tomorrow will be crazy at work because 3 day work week.
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I have learned that gkrieg likes to post short, meaningless, very obvious statements in an attempt to try and get more into the game Day 1. I think he does this regardless of alignment.
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I have learned that gkrieg likes to post short, meaningless, very obvious statements in an attempt to try and get more into the game Day 1. I think he does this regardless of alignment.
This is very true. It is especially hard to get into a game where you are VT.
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TThatseemed like a likely enough explanation that I didn't want to change my vote.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
Those are all reasons to me.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
Those are all reasons to me.
No I mean there are no reasons in the post from me that you quoted.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
Those are all reasons to me.
No I mean there are no reasons in the post from me that you quoted.
There were other posts where you stated your reasons and I didn't like them.
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I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.
Isn't this how you play the game? You vote for who you think is scummy right?
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
yay me
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
Those are all reasons to me.
No I mean there are no reasons in the post from me that you quoted.
There were other posts where you stated your reasons and I didn't like them.
Quotes or it didn't happen.
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Love that Igu post.
It is pretty great, and an excellent demonstration of why both reasonings ("they're an easy mislynch/they're good as town") are rather flawed.
It also does not resemble the scum!iguana I played with in any shape or form. Time has passed, but still.
faust, why is Joseph town ?
PPE: 2
His opposition to the Jake lynch reads townie. Plus I get the same kind of feeling from his posts as in Smallville.
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.
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Stuff
I understand your desire to defend yourself but I was just trolling.
In seriousness, I have seen a couple townie things from Jake after his first vote. He is reminding me a lot of his play in Gravity Falls mafia where he was town and I suspected him of being scum all game.
So yeah, if he's conforming to anything, it's the meta of his last couple of games where he was town. 95% sure I'm giving him a D1 pass.
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Also in response to the [Stuff] Teproc said, looks like my trollpost was based on something Faust said, not Teproc at all. This is why I should always quote.
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.
Do you think it's not true in general, or just not in your case ?
Stuff
I understand your desire to defend yourself but I was just trolling.
In seriousness, I have seen a couple townie things from Jake after his first vote. He is reminding me a lot of his play in Gravity Falls mafia where he was town and I suspected him of being scum all game.
So yeah, if he's conforming to anything, it's the meta of his last couple of games where he was town. 95% sure I'm giving him a D1 pass.
Hmm. Well I don't like that at all, looked like a legitimate (if wrong) argument to me.
PPE: I knew you were responding to faust, but you were discrediting the Jake wagon in general, so I felt I had to respond, because I really think we should lynch Jake.
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hi
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Vote count 1.4
faust (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): 2.71828..., gkrieg13, The_Wine_Merchant
2.71828... (1): Roadrunner7671
Robz888 (2): faust, iguanaiguana
gkrieg13 (2): ashersky, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): Teproc
not voting (2): Robz888, Eevee
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
additional notes:
- neat completed game in this setup from MS: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=71753
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Hmm. Well I don't like that at all, looked like a legitimate (if wrong) argument to me.
PPE: I knew you were responding to faust, but you were discrediting the Jake wagon in general, so I felt I had to respond, because I really think we should lynch Jake.
I apologize for using bad reasons to discredit a wagon that I actually think we should not pursue. That was not the best approach.
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.
Do you think it's not true in general, or just not in your case ?
Stuff
I understand your desire to defend yourself but I was just trolling.
In seriousness, I have seen a couple townie things from Jake after his first vote. He is reminding me a lot of his play in Gravity Falls mafia where he was town and I suspected him of being scum all game.
So yeah, if he's conforming to anything, it's the meta of his last couple of games where he was town. 95% sure I'm giving him a D1 pass.
Hmm. Well I don't like that at all, looked like a legitimate (if wrong) argument to me.
PPE: I knew you were responding to faust, but you were discrediting the Jake wagon in general, so I felt I had to respond, because I really think we should lynch Jake.
Again I ask why, and I think its almost opposite. I feel that as scum people with scummy metas try to be more towny.
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Not if they know they can get away with it (that's what happened with mail-mi in GoT and why it was on my mind, but certainly there are other examples, including any Awaclus scum win).
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I can vote jake. I have observed him changing how town game. But here he has reverted a bit, which makes me think scum. Of course this is all pseudo science so who really knows.
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Awaclus wins games by outplaying people....
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Although I don't think. Have ever seen him as scum, so this is super pseudo science.
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Awaclus wins games by outplaying people....
Now this one I can tell.
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Nope, I'm one of the biggest fans of his playstyle. I just don't have enough reserve to follow through and use it myself. Anyway, that is neither here nor there in this game.
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Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever
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This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
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This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Yes to both, sorry for starting it.
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This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Why
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This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Why
Why do you want to know? Have you looked at my previous posts?
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This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Why
Why do you want to know? Have you looked at my previous posts?
Because I do. And yes but it doesn't make sense to me. Reverted to what? Changing town game?
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"Why do you want to know?"
"Because I do"
Vote: Jake
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Alright. Here it goes:
You have been extremely interested in yourself this game. Examples:
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Why
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.
I also didn't like this post:
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust
Which you then try to spin later about not being about you, but about Joseph.
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
I also feel like you have an edge on your posts. These are in italics, as well as some up above (I didn't include them all, but you should get the drift) so you can see them better when I am not really sure why. They way you are talking, it seems like how someone would respond from being picked on for days and days, but what you are getting is really, really light suspicion at this point.
Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.
Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever
I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.
Isn't this how you play the game? You vote for who you think is scummy right?
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
yay me
So what I mean is that I have seen more recent town games from you. And it seems like you had changed up how you played. You lost a bit of that edge to be super self-aware and respond only to others about yourself and be kinda passive aggressive when doing so. And you got mislynched, or at least heavily suspected, quite a bit because of it. But now it is back. So I am wondering if it is because you are scum and reverting back to your old meta because of it.
Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.
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Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.
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I rather like this case TWM is making.
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I rather like this case TWM is making.
I don't even really think it is a case. I am trying to explain to Jake what my gut is telling me. I don't have evidence or anything, just examples of what I think might be happening.
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Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.
This is the scum narrative: Jake was assigned scum. He has made progress in changing his town meta, but now that he is scum he has reverted slightly back, possibly due to feeling like he has to act like "himself" or being unsure how to act.
if you disagree, then that is fine.
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People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
I chose this to reply to, but see that TWM has continued on the theme.
I, too, have noticed that Jake only posts when it is "about him" in some way. The clearest example was how he appeared and commented after the vote on him. Now, the convo is mostly about him, and he's participating. He is not commenting on anything/anyone else, even to the point of not giving response reads (or OMGUS) to the voters.
That reservedness is scummy, especially given what I recall if Jake's playing style.
Happy to join the wagon here.
vote: jake
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Unannounced L3, btw.
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Unannounced L3, btw.
Cute. I think these Jake votes are scummy, maybe not Teproc's, but the others.
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To be specific, Ash, TWM, and Eevee look scummy for pushing Jake. Teproc looks towny for it. Roadrunner null.
Ash and TWM look partner, even.
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And I look like Jake's partner if I'm wrong about him, surely. So that's fun!
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
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Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.
This is the scum narrative: Jake was assigned scum. He has made progress in changing his town meta, but now that he is scum he has reverted slightly back, possibly due to feeling like he has to act like "himself" or being unsure how to act.
if you disagree, then that is fine.
I disagree, bur that's fine
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
!? Explain?
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Scum doesn't have to push a fabricated case D1. They're looking for the other scum faction.
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I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
I don't think so
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Ah, it's just me not thinking clearly. I guess scum might believe in their case despite some opposition just as well.
I do like that iguana's head went there though, giving out town points too willy nilly seems like a town tell.
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I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
You can try. I thought I saw something there but turns out, I didn't.
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I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
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I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
Lolol
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Is that a thing for you, gkrieg? I went and looked at the last page of the Records thread and only saw you Night killed once on night 1 or night 2, in M75.
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Is that a thing for you, gkrieg? I went and looked at the last page of the Records thread and only saw you Night killed once on night 1 or night 2, in M75.
Well it has happened more lately. It happens even more when LaLight is scum!
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I get the sense that it's something we expect to happen more often than it does. There's a subset of strong town players that we think scum will always kill within the first two nights, but more often than not they aren't. Then they get some heat for surviving, regardless of play.
Currently, it's probably faust and gkrieg13. It used to be Teproc as well, then he left.
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I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
So you're saying you're mafia?
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Hey Robz!
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I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
So you're saying you're mafia?
? What?
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Hey Robz!
Robz is in this game?
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Hey Robz!
Robz is in this game?
Yes
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I get the sense that it's something we expect to happen more often than it does. There's a subset of strong town players that we think scum will always kill within the first two nights, but more often than not they aren't. Then they get some heat for surviving, regardless of play.
Currently, it's probably faust and gkrieg13. It used to be Teproc as well, then he left.
Doesn't the naming thing in the setup completely screw all these considerations anyway?
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I get the sense that it's something we expect to happen more often than it does. There's a subset of strong town players that we think scum will always kill within the first two nights, but more often than not they aren't. Then they get some heat for surviving, regardless of play.
Currently, it's probably faust and gkrieg13. It used to be Teproc as well, then he left.
Doesn't the naming thing in the setup completely screw all these considerations anyway?
Only insofar as their (your) alignments dictate.
There's plenty of theory discussion to be had on optimal naming here. Does mafia include a partner in the list, strongest town, etc.?
When the list is published, we can see if you/gkrieg/Teproc are on it, then discuss further the following day.
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Yes it certainly tells something. There's just a lot more WIFOM mixed in than is usual for nightkills.
An interesting observation is that if mafia names the two Werewolves, they basically force the nightkill. A naming of WW, WW, mafia would be the worst possible thing for mafia.
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Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.
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Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.
Or submit no list, right?
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Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum. That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
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Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.
Or submit no list, right?
Not sure if that's allowed.
the place i took role PMs from said "must" iirc, but the setup from wiki page gives a scenario if no list is submitted (ww can choose anyone) so i'm changing the PMs
uh.
once i get to a computer
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Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum. That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
iguana was the first to mention it a while back I think.
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Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum. That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
My working theory is that the person making the assertions about who talks about the list and who doesn't is scum.
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@Jake
You don't have anything to say to the large post that I spent considerable time putting together at your request?
Or to answer my question?
Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.
Ok. I'll keep voting for you then.
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Although voting Robz sounds more fun.
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Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
This makes me believe J Reggie is town for now.
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Town points for RR and J Reggie.
Do you still feel this way about these two?
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Oh, and VT here too.
This seems pretty scummy from Eevee. He has the post right above this one too, and it seems like a weird thing to include this way. I can't quite explain it though.
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Alright. Here it goes:
You have been extremely interested in yourself this game. Examples:
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Your post was the worst ever. And yet no one wants to vote you. That's the reason for you.
I meant the other people but man those reasons are sooooo goood I can't wait to see the other ones.
Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
This conversation is useless
Vote: jake
Why
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
That is not what I'm accusing Jake of. Firstly because I'm accusing him of being scum, but more importantly because I'm accusing him of only participating when the conversation is about him. YOu seem to think that's just his meta, but there's disagreement on that and scummy metas are scummy for a reason. Reminds me of mail-mi in GoT, a pointlessly old reference, sorry about that, but the point is that players with scummy metas rely on them more heavily when they're scum, and try to change things up when they're town (unless they're Awaclus), and this seems to be the former, to me.
First why do you think I'm scum, Second I don't see that at all.
I also didn't like this post:
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust
Which you then try to spin later about not being about you, but about Joseph.
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
I also feel like you have an edge on your posts. These are in italics, as well as some up above (I didn't include them all, but you should get the drift) so you can see them better when I am not really sure why. They way you are talking, it seems like how someone would respond from being picked on for days and days, but what you are getting is really, really light suspicion at this point.
Why is everyone feeling the need to just jump on wagons?
You have jumped on two. Ask yourself the question.
I randomly voted iguana right at the start and I started the faust wagon who btw I actually think is scum which is why you vote for people. How about you answer it.
Awaclus is the worst scum teammate ever
I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.
Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.
Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?
He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.
Isn't this how you play the game? You vote for who you think is scummy right?
People are accusing you of having learned how to play the game and saying that is suspicious ;)
yay me
So what I mean is that I have seen more recent town games from you. And it seems like you had changed up how you played. You lost a bit of that edge to be super self-aware and respond only to others about yourself and be kinda passive aggressive when doing so. And you got mislynched, or at least heavily suspected, quite a bit because of it. But now it is back. So I am wondering if it is because you are scum and reverting back to your old meta because of it.
Ok. My turn to ask a question. Why should I not vote for you? And you can't answer: "cuz I is townz." Show me why you are town by pointing to specific posts of yours that demonstrate that.
The first bolded: That is vaild but as scum I don't focus on myself as much so it's more of a town tell.
Second and third bolded: Where can you even get this conclusion from? I said that I didn't like his reasons for finding Joseph towny not that I thought joseph was scummy.
Fourth Bolded: I'm always on edge when posting more so as town though because as town I don't want to post something that is scummy because hint it's not helpful to town.
And finally you shouldn't vote for me because hint "I iz townz "( ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) or maybe because there's others who are scummier than I am. Here are some examples faust, robz, Iguana, gkrieg. Then there is people you should't vote for like TWM, RR, Teproc, JR.
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Vote Iguana becuase why not
This is definitely the scummiest first post from anyone.
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People who aren't voting for Jake should be voting for Jake.
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Just my feelz
This is so strange to me. Why are you being so unhelpful this game Robz? It is like a night and day difference from your pro-town performance last game.
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Why do I look like scum?
Especially with things like this. He doesn't comment on most things during the game, just when he is summoned.
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Why do I look like scum?
Especially with things like this. He doesn't comment on most things during the game, just when he is summoned.
Well we can combine our powers and summon him!
Although I agree, lurky!Robz is unsettling.
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Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
This also seems scummy from faust.
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Love that Igu post.
Slightly scummy from ash.
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e also seems to come alive later in the day. I don't really want to lynch him.
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So right now, Robz, Eevee, and Jake are scummy. RR also belongs there for his "You guys got me" post. faust is also barely on that list.
I don't want to lynch J Reggie or e, and I'll give Teproc and iguana a pass. They seem to be active and moving the game along, but I'm not too sure on them.
Joseph is also usually a very quick person for me to read, and I'm slightly concerned that I don't get the instant town vibes that I usually get from him.
Man, the faust v Teproc thing goes on after it seems like it should be resolved. It feels like faust is trying to poke Teproc really hard intentionally, and it doesn't feel super genuine to me.
Here is an example:
I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
I'll stop at post 250.
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Sorry all, I've fallen behind, and won't be able to catch up until tomorrow.
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By tomorrow, I mean IRL tomorrow.
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Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.
Or submit no list, right?
Not sure if that's allowed.
the place i took role PMs from said "must" iirc, but the setup from wiki page gives a scenario if no list is submitted (ww can choose anyone) so i'm changing the PMs
uh.
once i get to a computer
@schadd Hey, could you put these kinds of answers in your own posts? It is easy to then search the whole thread for your posts, instead of having to scan it for green text. I also usually only read things one time, and so when you edit posts, there is a fairly high likelihood that I won't ever see the edit.
i can quote all of them in each VC for ~supreme organization~
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Allowing mafia not to submit a list seems broken and also seems like not what I signed up for...
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Allowing mafia not to submit a list seems broken and also seems like not what I signed up for...
The setup post didn't say must, the PMs say may. I see it was edited, though.
Three living players is easy enough to break, though. It's the name-a-card problem in Dominion, right? Just say Ace of Spades.
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schadd, can you explain what, if anything changed in the setup?
everything continues consistence with the wiki page linked in the OP and setup post. i edited the mafia PM to make it clear that it is possible to not submit the hitlist
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I feel like I should think faust is Mafia, given his reaction to me thinking Mafia could just not submit a list. Seemed like a specific knowledge type of response.
I meant it in a "don't submit your action" sort of thing.
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My original understanding of the setup was that mafia must submit a list when alive and a scenario where no list is submitted would only take place if no mafia remain in the game.
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Didn't have much time today, looks like we're doing theory talk that has no value besides helping scum know what we expect from the night kill ? Great.
We should be lynching someone, preferably Jake. Could do ash too.
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Alright I just read the last 10 pages. Didn't get much out of them, frankly. I'm not inclined toward a Jake lynch whatsoever at this point.
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My understanding of the setup, from the beginning, was that mafia did not have to submit a list.
Iguaniguana thinking the opposite makes me suspect he is either WW or town, but not mafia.
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I feel like I should think faust is Mafia, given his reaction to me thinking Mafia could just not submit a list. Seemed like a specific knowledge type of response.
I meant it in a "don't submit your action" sort of thing.
Isn't it just the opposite? Faust seems like NOT mafia because he was seemingly unaware that mafia could decline to submit a list. As with iguanaiguana, I'd be more likely to see him as WW here.
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Jake is a bad lynch. I am voting Robz who promised to be more active later, so that's bad. There's a small wagon on Gkrieg. Looks like the most likely wagon to be on scum to me.
Vote: Gkrieg
PpE looks like Robz is here now.
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Faust/Teproc is the wolf possibility that is the funniest ^^
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Jake is a bad lynch. I am voting Robz who promised to be more active later, so that's bad. There's a small wagon on Gkrieg. Looks like the most likely wagon to be on scum to me.
Vote: Gkrieg
PpE looks like Robz is here now.
This isn't crazy to me. Vote: Gkrieg
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You don't want to lynch Jake, that's fine... but who should we lynch instead ?
PPE 3: the above is adressed to Robz.
PPE+: Meh
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
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Oh come on Robz, vomit vomit vomit vomit on that last post.
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Oh come on Robz, vomit vomit vomit vomit on that last post.
Why did my post make you ill?
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I had a post earlier about why we should really not vote like that with almost the exact same categories of players.
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It just narrows the lynch pool too much I think.
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It just narrows the lynch pool too much I think.
Narrowing the lynch pool is good!
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The townreads are fine but everything else is based on stuff extraneous to the game :(
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
Out of the three you have left, I think eevee is a good option.
Why the town read on TWM? Also taking all easy mislynches out of your lynch pool seems rather silly, considering they are often mislynched because they aren't as pro-town as other people.
I mean are you honestly going to argue that it is better to lynch me, e, or eevee D1 because of arbitrarily not fitting into your four categories over someone who is actually scummy?
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The townreads are fine but everything else is based on stuff extraneous to the game :(
Ya, what he said ^^
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Also that kind of POE is nothing like what we saw in M102. Like lightyears away. It shows no desire to actually scum hunt.
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
Vote: robz
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
I have been fairly absent due to weekends and holidays.
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Jake is a bad lynch. I am voting Robz who promised to be more active later, so that's bad. There's a small wagon on Gkrieg. Looks like the most likely wagon to be on scum to me.
Vote: Gkrieg
PpE looks like Robz is here now.
Why am I the most likely wagon to be scum?
Also, what do you feel about eevee?
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Faust/Teproc is the wolf possibility that is the funniest ^^
Another also, what do you think about faust/Teproc? I posted about them feeling not genuine when I read them.
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Vote count 1.5
faust (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
Roadrunner7671 (2): 2.71828..., gkrieg13
Robz888 (2): faust, The_Wine_Merchant
gkrieg13 (4): Joseph2302, J Reggie, iguanaiguana, Robz888
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): Teproc, Roadrunner7671, ashersky
not voting (1): Eevee
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time.
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Another notable thing about that. If we are lucky, some kind of a last-minute lynch could theoretically lead to a dead player on the mafia's list, and that means that the Werewolves can kill whoever they want. At the same time, the mafia can theoretically invalidate their own list if they want.
Or submit no list, right?
Not sure if that's allowed.
the place i took role PMs from said "must" iirc, but the setup from wiki page gives a scenario if no list is submitted (ww can choose anyone) so i'm changing the PMs
@schadd Hey, could you put these kinds of answers in your own posts? It is easy to then search the whole thread for your posts, instead of having to scan it for green text. I also usually only read things one time, and so when you edit posts, there is a fairly high likelihood that I won't ever see the edit.
i can quote all of them in each VC for ~supreme organization~
schadd, can you explain what, if anything changed in the setup?
everything continues consistence with the wiki page linked in the OP and setup post. i edited the mafia PM to make it clear that it is possible to not submit the hitlist
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
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Well now this quote is out of place ^^
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
There was something else that caught my eye. But this certainly wan't it.
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
There was something else that caught my eye. But this certainly wan't it.
Want to share with the class?
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
There was something else that caught my eye. But this certainly wan't it.
Want to share with the class?
Later. On phone. Hard to find.
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Also that kind of POE is nothing like what we saw in M102. Like lightyears away. It shows no desire to actually scum hunt.
I'm trying to get back into the game, sorry I didn't immediately blow you away with the greatest case ever.
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Yes, that's definitely what I'm doing.
What I'm not doing, in getting into a dumb argument with you, because you never listen.
This was the one.
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Oh, and VT here too.
This seems pretty scummy from Eevee. He has the post right above this one too, and it seems like a weird thing to include this way. I can't quite explain it though.
I mean, JR specifically asked people to humor him even if it feels dumb. I felt dumb writing that, but I live to serve.
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
This is just lazy reasoning. Come on robz.
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
I was pro town!
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I feel like I should think faust is Mafia, given his reaction to me thinking Mafia could just not submit a list. Seemed like a specific knowledge type of response.
I meant it in a "don't submit your action" sort of thing.
mafia hunting is a ww tell?
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My understanding of the setup, from the beginning, was that mafia did not have to submit a list.
Iguaniguana thinking the opposite makes me suspect he is either WW or town, but not mafia.
+1
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
He wasn't scum, he was just highly motivated not-town
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When you get Monday and Tuesday off, you have to cram all that work into Wednesday, right? At least at my work you do. I will try to stay up to date as best as possible, will definitely be around before the lynch
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
He wasn't scum, he was just highly motivated not-town
He doesn't have the same motivation here, as any alignment. I think it's hard to compare to that game unless there's a 1-player faction in the game.
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
He wasn't scum, he was just highly motivated not-town
He doesn't have the same motivation here, as any alignment. I think it's hard to compare to that game unless there's a 1-player faction in the game.
I'm just saying, we know what it looks like when Robz is scum hunting as hard as he can. I want to see that kind of Robz here.
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I feel like I should think faust is Mafia, given his reaction to me thinking Mafia could just not submit a list. Seemed like a specific knowledge type of response.
I meant it in a "don't submit your action" sort of thing.
Well you shouldn't. We just made different assumptions.
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
That's nonsense. Especially since gkrieg and e easily fit into the "players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate" category and are just randomly taken out.
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And I think Eevee might genuinely be an easier mislynch at this point in f.ds meta than any of the people you named.
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Also that kind of POE is nothing like what we saw in M102. Like lightyears away. It shows no desire to actually scum hunt.
Yep. I need to remind you of Robz' signature though.
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To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
He wasn't scum, he was just highly motivated not-town
He doesn't have the same motivation here, as any alignment. I think it's hard to compare to that game unless there's a 1-player faction in the game.
I'm just saying, we know what it looks like when Robz is scum hunting as hard as he can. I want to see that kind of Robz here.
That's fair, but should not be alignment-indicative. So while it helps us win, it doesn't necessarily mean he's Town.
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I've said this already but: this is town!Robz. HE's aware of his meta so he can fake it, but given that lurky!Robz = town!Robz doesn't seem to be as widely well-known as it used to, AND he just had a very strong "town" performance, I don't see scum!Robz going to the trouble of restraining himself as scum just for meta reasons that wouldn't be guaranteed to even work, though it's easier to do with daychat I suppose.
That all being said, that was a terrible post Robz. People who are easy mislynches aren't actually less likely to be scum you kow. It's also making us talk about irrelevant things, like who belongs in which category. FoS on faust for doing just that.
I think e is town, in large part because I had the exact same thought re: the list discussion.
Deadline is on sunday, which is far away but also bad because week-ends. We should lynch tomorrow, ideally.
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People who are easy mislynches aren't actually less likely to be scum you kow. It's also making us talk about irrelevant things, like who belongs in which category. FoS on faust for doing just that.
I did not mean to start discussion about this, instead shed light on how easy it is to manipulate this kind of PoE to include just the people you want.
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I noticed some time ago that I'm still voting for Robz and probably shouldn't be.
Vote: RR
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I feel I've seen this kind of day 1s from robz quite a bit, i don't think it's so much alignment-indicative than simply lazyRobz and not being so engaged in the game yet because it's only day 1 (i can sympathize).
I seriously doubt he is restricting himself on purpose, the much maligned post read to me as a guilty conscience wanting to contribute something now that he is here. He is a busy man, I doubt he has spent much time on this game yet, and i'd also wager that as the game progresses and gets more exciting, so will robz's time spent here and contributions get better.
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I noticed some time ago that I'm still voting for Robz and probably shouldn't be.
Vote: RR
I don't know who to vote for. Want to sell me on RR?
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People who are easy mislynches aren't actually less likely to be scum you kow. It's also making us talk about irrelevant things, like who belongs in which category. FoS on faust for doing just that.
I did not mean to start discussion about this, instead shed light on how easy it is to manipulate this kind of PoE to include just the people you want.
Right. I guess I assumed everyone would dismiss Robz's bad PoE out of hand anyway.
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I noticed some time ago that I'm still voting for Robz and probably shouldn't be.
Vote: RR
I don't know who to vote for. Want to sell me on RR?
The other wagons are crappy.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
Is Jake not a lurker ? I get referring RR or other lurkers to him, but you said the wagon was "crappy", how so if you believe in LALL ?
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preferring*
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Vote: RR
I like how you don't embellish the case, it's not great but enough to make me vote.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
Is Jake not a lurker ? I get referring RR or other lurkers to him, but you said the wagon was "crappy", how so if you believe in LALL ?
I don't think he's particularly lurky.
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I can Vote: RR I guess.
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I'm getting a sense of deja vu...
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vote: RR
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
If we're going this way, then I think RR and Robz are the lurkiest.
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I slightly prefer Vote: Robz right now.
RR is just such an easy mislynch target.
And Robz really hasn't done anything helpful
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Just a heads up RR's at L-2
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I slightly prefer Vote: Robz right now.
RR is just such an easy mislynch target.
And Robz really hasn't done anything helpful
That's fine. I want to see what happens when we lynch.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
I am willing to vote RR. He's much more lurky as scum then town.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
I am willing to vote RR. He's much more lurky as scum then town.
But I'd prefer to lynch robz
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Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
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Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
Yeah it'd be a real shame if we lynched someone... wait.
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Looking back trying some different tactics on rereading. I had a thought that due to the setup scum might put a greater emphasis on "scum-hunting" to look townie. Like constantly refocus on scum hunting or look for people who scum hunt, but generally think about and talk about "scum hunting." I did a search for "hunting" and it really wasn't mentioned that much. Iguana brought it up first, gkrieg has mentioned it the most, but not a whole lot to tell there.
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
I like this observation, but I don't think gkrieg does this.
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Looking back trying some different tactics on rereading. I had a thought that due to the setup scum might put a greater emphasis on "scum-hunting" to look townie. Like constantly refocus on scum hunting or look for people who scum hunt, but generally think about and talk about "scum hunting." I did a search for "hunting" and it really wasn't mentioned that much. Iguana brought it up first, gkrieg has mentioned it the most, but not a whole lot to tell there.
Flawed logic anyway: scum wants to scumhunt more in this setup, but wanting to appear townie by emphasizing scumhunting is nothing specific to multiball.
I should note that scum still doesn't want to find scum as much as town does still, I think.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
I don't like this from faust, along with posts around it.
He categorizes a behavior as scummy (lurking) and then removes players that fit that category (Jake and Robz) selectively. My question is why?
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Looking back trying some different tactics on rereading. I had a thought that due to the setup scum might put a greater emphasis on "scum-hunting" to look townie. Like constantly refocus on scum hunting or look for people who scum hunt, but generally think about and talk about "scum hunting." I did a search for "hunting" and it really wasn't mentioned that much. Iguana brought it up first, gkrieg has mentioned it the most, but not a whole lot to tell there.
Flawed logic anyway: scum wants to scumhunt more in this setup, but wanting to appear townie by emphasizing scumhunting is nothing specific to multiball.
I should note that scum still doesn't want to find scum as much as town does still, I think.
It was a thought I had and figured I would post what I found rather than just deleting it. I am not saying there is any definitive evidence that X or Y is scum
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
Is Jake not a lurker ? I get referring RR or other lurkers to him, but you said the wagon was "crappy", how so if you believe in LALL ?
I don't think he's particularly lurky.
He is completely a lurker. If he weren't getting suspicion and called out he would have like 6 posts. Take away him popping up when his name gets mentioned and he is a lurker. Only showing up when being suspected does not an active player make.
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vote: faust
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Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
wut? Looks like he is doing the complete opposite of this.
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I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
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I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
Why not RR?
But good choices.
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I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
Why not RR?
But good choices.
Because someone selectively removed others from a group, but kept him in. That automatically makes me want to not lynch him. I am suspect of the motivations there.
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That, and a whole bunch of people just blindly followed that train of thought without calling it out.
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I might add Eevee to that list though.
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I might add Eevee to that list though.
WHY ARE YOU JUST TAKING MY READS!!!!
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So right now, Robz, Eevee, and Jake are scummy. RR also belongs there for his "You guys got me" post. faust is also barely on that list.
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I might add Eevee to that list though.
WHY ARE YOU JUST TAKING MY READS!!!!
Implant in your brain?
But really though, I think we are both seeing some suspicious stuff. Had you previously stated suspicion on Eevee? I don't remember it.
PPE: Yay! You had.
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I have been on Jake and Robz for a while now. Eevee has been suspicious to me for a while, but I don't really know why (oh hey, I remember. I voted for him a while back even on post 284). I mentioned him just now as I realized he was a RR joiner.
faust I am suspicious of because of what I just voted him for.
So maybe you are stealing my reads?
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I have been on Jake and Robz for a while now. Eevee has been suspicious to me for a while, but I don't really know why (oh hey, I remember. I voted for him a while back even on post 284). I mentioned him just now as I realized he was a RR joiner.
faust I am suspicious of because of what I just voted him for.
So maybe you are stealing my reads?
But, but, but... I had only read to 250 when I formed those reads!
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I have been on Jake and Robz for a while now. Eevee has been suspicious to me for a while, but I don't really know why (oh hey, I remember. I voted for him a while back even on post 284). I mentioned him just now as I realized he was a RR joiner.
faust I am suspicious of because of what I just voted him for.
So maybe you are stealing my reads?
But, but, but... I had only read to 250 when I formed those reads!
Well then I think we have found all the scum except for one. Good job us!
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
This is not good.
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
This is not good.
I am not good at defending myself. This has been proven time after time in past games and even very recent/ongoing games. The main reasons for RR being scum seem to be that I'm lurky, which isn't a scum tell, and that I made a joke about how I was scum or something. If I didn't do that as both alignments, I'd be pretty terrible at being scum (which I'm not).
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RR: you're completely right. Defending yourself doesn't help.
What does help is actively participating in the game. It's not too late for that.
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
This is not good.
I am not good at defending myself. This has been proven time after time in past games and even very recent/ongoing games. The main reasons for RR being scum seem to be that I'm lurky, which isn't a scum tell, and that I made a joke about how I was scum or something. If I didn't do that as both alignments, I'd be pretty terrible at being scum (which I'm not).
You should at least try.
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
I don't like this from faust, along with posts around it.
He categorizes a behavior as scummy (lurking) and then removes players that fit that category (Jake and Robz) selectively. My question is why?
I don't think lurking is scummy.
I did not go for Robz or Jake because I read them as townie.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
Is Jake not a lurker ? I get referring RR or other lurkers to him, but you said the wagon was "crappy", how so if you believe in LALL ?
I don't think he's particularly lurky.
He is completely a lurker. If he weren't getting suspicion and called out he would have like 6 posts. Take away him popping up when his name gets mentioned and he is a lurker. Only showing up when being suspected does not an active player make.
I didn't say he way like super active, but onyl 4 people are, so you'll have a lot of lurkers by that standard.
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Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
Yeah it'd be a real shame if we lynched someone... wait.
It'd be a shame if we derphammer.
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I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
Well nice. Not sure how a multilateral decision on that issue would look like anyway.
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I'm ready for someone to hammer.
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He's L-1?
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He's L-1?
Not yet but I can do it.
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I'm in the game, you know.
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I'm in the game, you know.
Whats that supposed to mean?
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Do it
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Do it
Whats the rush?
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I'm in the game, you know.
Whats that supposed to mean?
That means you know there is always the possibility of a hammer lying around.
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Can we hit the refresh button or slow down here?
Robz doesn't even have a shit clue of what is going on in the game and he is egging on ash to hammer. WTF?
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Hero to zero in one game flat.
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
How so?
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I can Vote: RR I guess.
Robz's last meaningful post.
Prior to that it was this where he admits he is still trying to get back into the game:
Also that kind of POE is nothing like what we saw in M102. Like lightyears away. It shows no desire to actually scum hunt.
I'm trying to get back into the game, sorry I didn't immediately blow you away with the greatest case ever.
What changed Robz? You suddenly seem really confident for not being in the game at all.
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And I already said Lynch all Lurkers is a policy that should be enforced with that much scum, and RR is the lowest content players. Plus he had the "you got me" post that I think is scummy for RR.
I don't like this from faust, along with posts around it.
He categorizes a behavior as scummy (lurking) and then removes players that fit that category (Jake and Robz) selectively. My question is why?
I don't think lurking is scummy.
I did not go for Robz or Jake because I read them as townie.
Ok. So it isn't scummy, but it is lynchable. Same thing as far as I am concerned. Nice spin though.
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Thanks!
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TWM reminds me of myself when I was young. One day he will be just as bossy and annoying as I am!
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Thanks!
How do you feel about Eevee?
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Vote: Robz If I wasn't already
He's egging on a lynch for no reason. That's not a towny thing to do
PPE: 2
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TWM reminds me of myself when I was young. One day he will be just as bossy and annoying as I am!
(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/1e/1e14d255c1deb8a76fecc186df9666ac22b2f3fd3721610c21832dd4b640bcf0.jpg)
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Main thing stopping me right now is that I just don't feel good about this lynch. It feels scum driven.
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
How so?
D2,N2,D3 looks a lot like what this game is and How it looks to play out over the next two days.
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This is fun. Feels like no one trusts anyone.
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The upside is that it could always be a scum driven lynch on scum...
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
How so?
D2,N2,D3 looks a lot like what this game is and How it looks to play out over the next two days.
I feel like you are trying to say, in a round about way, that this reminds you of the last time RR was scum and you were town, but you were both being suspected. And feel like it is the same here? Is that what you are saying?
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This is fun. Feels like no one trusts anyone.
I think I might trust gkrieg.
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
How so?
D2,N2,D3 looks a lot like what this game is and How it looks to play out over the next two days.
I feel like you are trying to say, in a round about way, that this reminds you of the last time RR was scum and you were town, but you were both being suspected. And feel like it is the same here? Is that what you are saying?
Yes and no. Yes because I am town and RR looks like scum. But no aswell. In that game RR was mega lurky like this one. Everyone was going for lurkers the first three days. You only went after me all of D2 etc.... read those two days if you haven't.
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Vote: Robz If I wasn't already
He's egging on a lynch for no reason. That's not a towny thing to do
PPE: 2
You were already, but I'll join you.
vote: Robz
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Vote: Robz If I wasn't already
He's egging on a lynch for no reason. That's not a towny thing to do
PPE: 2
You were already, but I'll join you.
vote: Robz
Really? Why do you think Robz is scum?
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This game is reminding me very much of M91.
How so?
D2,N2,D3 looks a lot like what this game is and How it looks to play out over the next two days.
I feel like you are trying to say, in a round about way, that this reminds you of the last time RR was scum and you were town, but you were both being suspected. And feel like it is the same here? Is that what you are saying?
Yes and no. Yes because I am town and RR looks like scum. But no aswell. In that game RR was mega lurky like this one. Everyone was going for lurkers the first three days. You only went after me all of D2 etc.... read those two days if you haven't.
I read it recently. I was scum that game. And the main thing I took from it was that you and RR were having a mega argument that I hid my scum read of you two behind. That isn't happening here.
And robz was lynched Day 1 that day. Mostly because he was advocating to lynch a claimed PR (Joseph had been crazy and claimed I think). So I am not seeing a correlation there.
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Vote: Robz If I wasn't already
He's egging on a lynch for no reason. That's not a towny thing to do
PPE: 2
You were already, but I'll join you.
vote: Robz
Really? Why do you think Robz is scum?
This post:
I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
Vote: robz
and this:
Can we hit the refresh button or slow down here?
Robz doesn't even have a shit clue of what is going on in the game and he is egging on ash to hammer. WTF?
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Can we hit the refresh button or slow down here?
Robz doesn't even have a shit clue of what is going on in the game and he is egging on ash to hammer. WTF?
Not true, I'm caught up and paying attention. I want to see what mafia does with the list thing, so I'm eager for a hammer.
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Can we hit the refresh button or slow down here?
Robz doesn't even have a shit clue of what is going on in the game and he is egging on ash to hammer. WTF?
Not true, I'm caught up and paying attention. I want to see what mafia does with the list thing, so I'm eager for a hammer.
Already got your three names picked out huh?
If you are paying attention then maybe show it?
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Quick five people vote Robz! Quick, quick, quick!
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
I mean, do you still agree with the above? Cause right now it is your only contribution.
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I don't know why you're all over me, man. As you yourself pointed out, my reason for not wanting to lynch RR has very little to do with this game, so I was willing to vote for him. I don't think he's the greatest lynch but I sort of just want to get on with it? I want to see the list in action.
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I don't know why you're all over me, man. As you yourself pointed out, my reason for not wanting to lynch RR has very little to do with this game, so I was willing to vote for him. I don't think he's the greatest lynch but I sort of just want to get on with it? I want to see the list in action.
I am all over you because you were agressively advocating end the day early. I want to win the game. The mechanics will reveal themselves with time, we don't have to sacrifice good play to see them. They will come regardless. You are really flummoxed with why I am being this way with you? Really? You are smarter than that.
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I kind of trust iguana, maybe.
Eh, Robz sure looks scummy.
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I don't know why you're all over me, man. As you yourself pointed out, my reason for not wanting to lynch RR has very little to do with this game, so I was willing to vote for him. I don't think he's the greatest lynch but I sort of just want to get on with it? I want to see the list in action.
I am all over you because you were agressively advocating end the day early. I want to win the game. The mechanics will reveal themselves with time, we don't have to sacrifice good play to see them. They will come regardless. You are really flummoxed with why I am being this way with you? Really? You are smarter than that.
Well, but we can learn things when we end the day early, too. Sometimes when you let the day go on too long, that's when you've lost all hope of actually lynching scum.
I'm going back to Vote: gkrieg though. RR still seems too easy.
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I don't place my trust in many people, but when I do, they're reptile. So, not people. Wait, is iguana a people pretending to be a reptile ? Maybe I shouldn't trust him after all.
Has TWM never seen town!Robz ? If so, he's townie. If not, he's scummy.
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Also, ending the day today would be just fine. Actually let's reread RR, I might be amenable to ash!hammer*
*put someone at L-1 with ash lurking around suspiciously.
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Well, that was fast. Not convinced, seems like town!RR to me, sorry.
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I'll vote: robz pending an L-1 somewhere else.
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Has TWM never seen town!Robz ? If so, he's townie. If not, he's scummy.
I have. But this is different from any town Robz I have seen.
I have played with him in M91 - I was scum, he was town; M96 - I was scum, he was town; M98 - I was town, he was scum and M102 - I was town, he was survivor.
M96 he was absent, but actively contributing when he was around. M91 he was active, but off and an easy person to find suspicious. M102 is what I have in my mind of what he should look like as town, because he was very pro-town.
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Yeah, but M102 he was scum. Town!Robz is like this because he lacks motivation, survivor!Robz did not lack that. What you describe in M96 is what I see here. HE is contributing... not amazing contributions I'll grant you, but fine.
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You might be right, now that I actually went back and looked at M96 instead of relying on memory. But I do so grudgingly. unvote
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Huh. Interesting. Did not actually expect to convince you ! You're not like faust at all !
That was uncalled for, sorry. But it is true that I've basically never convinced faust of anything in my whole mafia career I'm pretty sure.
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I'm surprised RR is being such a difficult person to lynch.
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I think it's very very townie of TWM to back off me here.
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I think it's very very townie of TWM to back off me here.
This is also my first reaction, but I'm going to need to take a look at some of his games.
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I think it's very very townie of TWM to back off me here.
This is also my first reaction, but I'm going to need to take a look at some of his games.
I am actively trying to change my meta. Mostly to just be more pleasant to be around. But I think I have always been willing to listen to well presented info that makes sense and is factually based.
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I'm surprised RR is being such a difficult person to lynch.
Me too! It's a pleasent suprise though
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I feel like the lynches I want are probably not happening... Faust, e, maybe TWM or Ash. I don't like RR or Jake, don't want to vote there today anymore. Robz is okay I guess but I somehow don't believe it will go through.
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If TWM has a meta of being helpful as scum then he is easily the scummiest person here. I remember him saying he gets suspected as town and townreads as scum.
So depending on why that is, which I haven't looked into yet, he could be super duper scummy here.
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If TWM has a meta of being helpful as scum then he is easily the scummiest person here. I remember him saying he gets suspected as town and townreads as scum.
So depending on why that is, which I haven't looked into yet, he could be super duper scummy here.
That is true. Which is why I am trying to change my meta as town now.
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I never seen scum!you but I seen town!you one time and I'm suspicious and 'I'm changing my meta' isn't quite doing it for me and I will be looking into this. ???
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I never seen scum!you but I seen town!you one time and I'm suspicious and 'I'm changing my meta' isn't quite doing it for me and I will be looking into this. ???
Basically I got tired of being suspected so much as town for being super antagonistic and kinda being a punk, I guess. I have stated that I worried about my next scum game as I felt it wasn't sustainable.
I think it is valid for some suspicion, and I guess that is fine. I actually wanted to try last game, but was a PR so I felt it was a poor time to try and change. But as a VT now is an opportune time as any.
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Vote: eevee
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Request: Vote count, my good sir
we have a strict pagetops only policy here at schaddcorp so ya gotta post 18ish more times
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Really? Why do you think Robz is scum?
This post:
Let's try this again: Why do you think scum!Robz makes these posts, and town!Robz does not?
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Huh. Interesting. Did not actually expect to convince you ! You're not like faust at all !
That was uncalled for, sorry. But it is true that I've basically never convinced faust of anything in my whole mafia career I'm pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure you've convinced me that you're scum in some of these games ;)
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we have a strict pagetops only policy here at schaddcorp so ya gotta post 18ish more times
Don't tempt me.
stealing pagetops is a federal crime and will not be treated lightly
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In the meantime:
RR (4): e, gkrieg, faust, Eevee
gkrieg (3): JR, iguana, Robz
Robz (2): Joseph, ash
Jake (2): Teproc, RR
faust (1): Jake
Eevee (1): TWM
Not Voting (0)
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
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Really? Why do you think Robz is scum?
This post:
Let's try this again: Why do you think scum!Robz makes these posts, and town!Robz does not?
One is an easy way to get back into the game and easily categorize players into groups with blurred lines. It is a good post for scum to make because unless it gets called out-which it did-it makes it easy to appear to be scum hunting but is really just behind the curtains removal of scum buddies.
The other is rushing. If Robz is scum and RR is not his partner then he is pushing a lynch, encouraging it along. To me it appeared that Robz didn't even know what the game state was given his only significant post was the one above which he directly contradicts. If RR flips town, Robz says he just wants to see now night actions work so he is removing culpability and replacing it with curiosity and naturally human trait.
That said. I guess I am not voting for him anymore. Teproc appears to feel this is town Robz, which is disappointing if it is. He should always be survivor then. And there appears to be some data to back that up. But I still am not thrilled with it.
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One is an easy way to get back into the game and easily categorize players into groups with blurred lines. It is a good post for scum to make because unless it gets called out-which it did-it makes it easy to appear to be scum hunting but is really just behind the curtains removal of scum buddies.
The post is so obviously lazy that it is sure to be called out in some form or another. Why would scum!Robz want to set himself up for that? And don't tell me he wasn't aware it would be called out; the guy has been around for a while and knows what's what.
The other is rushing. If Robz is scum and RR is not his partner then he is pushing a lynch, encouraging it along. To me it appeared that Robz didn't even know what the game state was given his only significant post was the one above which he directly contradicts. If RR flips town, Robz says he just wants to see now night actions work so he is removing culpability and replacing it with curiosity and naturally human trait.
That I can see more. I still think scum is more likely to try and appear townie through proper scumhunting. Scum is somewhat discouraged from heavy scumhunting in other multiball games by the fact that they may be nightkilled, but that factor is mostly eliminated here.
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Can the people on the gkrieg wagon explain what they're doing there?
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Can the people on the gkrieg wagon explain what they're doing there?
Switching to twm
Vote: TWM
CONFIRMED
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I think I have not been providing much in terms of reads. Here, have some:
Towns: Eevee, iguana, TWM (maybe Jake)
Scums: RR, Teproc, J Reggie
PPE: 1
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Reggie, what was your plan for the early mass claim?
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vote: faust
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vote: faust
I think gkrieg is scummy.
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Why faust?
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I'm surprised RR is being such a difficult person to lynch.
So gkrieg, did this make you think that RR is town?
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Unvote
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egg
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egg
Chicken
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well now we know
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Do roadrunners hatch out of eggs? Because that might have been the answer.
I will work on rereading today.
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Vote count 1.6
https://youtu.be/vm6hGsIaggA?t=1m48s (https://youtu.be/vm6hGsIaggA?t=1m48s)
when you look at me with those brown eyes
what do you want to say?
and are you just another liar?
will you take me all the way, all the way?
faust (2): gkrieg13, ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (3): 2.71828..., faust, Eevee
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (2): J Reggie, Robz888
JaketheBaseballGod22 (2): Teproc, Roadrunner7671
Eevee (1): The_Wine_Merchant
The_Wine_Merchant (1): iguanaiguana
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. two days, buckos!
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie, The_Wine_Merchant
mod quotes:
Request: Vote count, my good sir
we have a strict pagetops only policy here at schaddcorp so ya gotta post 18ish more times
we have a strict pagetops only policy here at schaddcorp so ya gotta post 18ish more times
Don't tempt me.
stealing pagetops is a federal crime and will not be treated lightly
Can the people on the gkrieg wagon explain what they're doing there?
Switching to twm
Vote: TWM
CONFIRMED
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vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
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I actually forgot schadd was the mod here for a second. I just chalked his post up to normal!schadd. I do need a reread. He has his pagetop for the Vote count now at least
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The voting is literally going in circles.
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I'm surprised RR is being such a difficult person to lynch.
So gkrieg, did this make you think that RR is town?
Not at all. But, the fact that his wagon had 2 of my scum reads on it, convinced me to go somewhere else.
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vote: faust
I think gkrieg is scummy.
This is a very interesting post just that it is underneath my vote for faust. So why am I scummy, and why am I not scummy enough to vote where I just voted?
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vote: faust
I think gkrieg is scummy.
This is a very interesting post just that it is underneath my vote for faust. So why am I scummy, and why am I not scummy enough to vote where I just voted?
Uh, that didn't really come out right. If I'm scum, why vote faust right after me?
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The voting is literally going in circles.
What does that mean though?
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Unvote
Why did Jake just unvote after two people joined the wagon he was on?
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FYI:
For those that think this is RR as scum. Go look at M91. If Teproc can convince me about Robz using an old game, I can convince those of you voting him.
He was much less lurky there as scum, examples: here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg666296#msg666296), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg666556#msg666556), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg665756#msg665756). Day 1 he had 57 posts. And Day 1 only lasted 7 days. Here he has 28 and Day 1 has lasted 8 days already.
This is what he looks like when he is suspected, examples: here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669159#msg669159), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669463#msg669463), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669492#msg669492), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669702#msg669702), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg670297#msg670297). Much more OMGUSey, tunneley, defensive and flailing.
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Is there a reason no one has suspected J Reggie?
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vote: faust
I think gkrieg is scummy.
This is a very interesting post just that it is underneath my vote for faust. So why am I scummy, and why am I not scummy enough to vote where I just voted?
Yeah, I caught this too. This is a weird vote, ash.
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Back to Vote: RR since the gkrieg wagon seems done.
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Back to Vote: RR since the gkrieg wagon seems done.
The voting is literally going in circles.
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Back to Vote: RR since the gkrieg wagon seems done.
The voting is literally going in circles.
Really? Why are people so determined on RR?
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I'm surprised RR is being such a difficult person to lynch.
So gkrieg, did this make you think that RR is town?
Not at all. But, the fact that his wagon had 2 of my scum reads on it, convinced me to go somewhere else.
This reasoning is already pretty terrible in regular games - you're putting way too much trust into your reads - but it's particularly awful in multiball.
Not entirely sure what it means though.
Don't like the RR lynch at all.
faust thinking I'm scum is truly puzzling to me... not the fact that he does in and of itself of course, but I don't think it meshes at all with how things have played out... in fact JR also seems weird to me, as I've been trying to make that wagon happen to no avail, and don't remember getting support for faust.
vote: JR maybe now it'll work ?
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Looking at faust v me, he intimates that I'm scum re: the failed fakehammer "why don't we just lynch you", jokingly - I assume - says I'm WW with RR because I'm publicly coaching him... and basically never mentions me again, instead leaving his vote on Robz for a very long time while not seeming to particularly suspect him, then RR but not with great conviction, talking about lynching lurkers and th other wagons being terrible...
This makes no sense to me. The RR thing especially, if you actually thought I was scum why didn't you push me at all and instead seem indecisive about who was scum the whole time ?
Doesnt make sense as scum either though... but really, town!faust loves nothing more than dying on the hill of a difficult lynch, right ? Unless that's changed ? Hm.
faust, could you develop on why you think I'm scum ?
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Just reread JR this morning, I'm interested.
Vote: JR
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Looking at faust v me, he intimates that I'm scum re: the failed fakehammer "why don't we just lynch you", jokingly - I assume - says I'm WW with RR because I'm publicly coaching him... and basically never mentions me again, instead leaving his vote on Robz for a very long time while not seeming to particularly suspect him, then RR but not with great conviction, talking about lynching lurkers and th other wagons being terrible...
This makes no sense to me. The RR thing especially, if you actually thought I was scum why didn't you push me at all and instead seem indecisive about who was scum the whole time ?
Doesnt make sense as scum either though... but really, town!faust loves nothing more than dying on the hill of a difficult lynch, right ? Unless that's changed ? Hm.
faust, could you develop on why you think I'm scum ?
Not too much time right now. I did not like the way you played up your differences with me, seemed like poking me to get into a good fight that makes you look towny. Also other stuff that I don't quite remember, but made me feel uneasy. Overall I am not particularly inclined to lynch you because even if you are scum, I think you will do a good job of hunting the other team.
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vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
oh whoops
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Back to Vote: RR since the gkrieg wagon seems done.
Really?
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page top vote counts only is lame no u
my vote count
RR (3): e, faust, Robz
gkrieg (1): JR
Robz (1): Joseph
Jake (1): RR
faust (3): gkrieg, ashersky, TWM (after this post)
TWM (1): iguana
JR (2): Teproc, Eevee
Not Voting (1): Jake
I am pretty close to leaving for VLA with limited access so vote: faust
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Also it is notable that I do not have a read on 2.7 at all. That is unusual for me.
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Vote: Faust
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Vote: Faust
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
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Unvote
Why did Jake just unvote after two people joined the wagon he was on?
Because faust was scummy early but he looks much less scummy now.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Because they're scared I'll catch them.
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Also it is notable that I do not have a read on 2.7 at all. That is unusual for me.
There's nothing to base a read off of so not that unusual.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Because they're scared I'll catch them.
If that were true, it would mean all 5 scum are on your wagon. Game solved.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Why do people want to lynch RR? I do not.
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I mean maybe try some one beside RR which isn't happening?
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Fast is a good vote. He's either WE with Teproc or mafia trying to get rid of Teproc.
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Or town playing all grumpy style. But I dun think so.
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band members:
1. iguana-pretty towny right now I guess.
3. 2.71828...-He's being odd. For 2.7, odd equals scummy. Would happily lynch him.
4. The_Wine_Merchant-He's been actually a little scummy to me, but it's TWM so I'll let it slide for now. Oh wait he defended me which was cool if him.
5. Joseph2302-Oddly towny. Which is scummy from Joseph.
6. Robz888-Huh. Weird. Different. Would lynch I guess.
7. Eevee-Pretty null. Would lynch I guess.
8. gkrieg13-Pretty null here too.
9. Teproc-Probably town cause he coached me.
10. J Reggie-See Joseph.
11. JaketheBaseballGod22-He's scummy, but he thinks I'm town, which is off putting. It's not really an alignment tell, it's just a different side of Jake.
12. faust-See my vote.
13. ashersky is in the game.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Because they're scared I'll catch them.
If that were true, it would mean all 5 scum are on your wagon. Game solved.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED
Well I'm voting on my wagon.
There also another explanation that people who think my normal behaviour is scummy and feel validated by the last two games where I was scum need to get my mislynch out of their system so they can let go off that idea.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
It's amazing how 3 people on my wagon have posted since and none was able to answer this.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Why do people want to lynch RR? I do not.
Because he's a lurker, and he made a scummy joke about being scum, and he's anti-town and anti-town is a very good reason to lynch someone in multiball.
See? Giving reasons isn't that hard if you're genuine.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
It's amazing how 3 people on my wagon have posted since and none was able to answer this.
That I should ridiculous. Robz is a big. he and can go read my previous posts about this. I shouldn't have to restate something just because he still isn't caught up. He says he is, but I am not so sure.
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There is an extreme difference between not being genuine and being VLA. ✌🏿
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
It's amazing how 3 people on my wagon have posted since and none was able to answer this.
That I should ridiculous. Robz is a big. he and can go read my previous posts about this. I shouldn't have to restate something just because he still isn't caught up. He says he is, but I am not so sure.
Okay, so your response was actually part of your ongoing blood feud with Robz. Now everything makes sense.
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What's up with the JR lynch getting no traction whatsoever? I don't mean no people joining, I mean no people even commenting on it. Feels like he has the lowest number of mentions by others, despite being middling in the post count. Seems odd.
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Much like with matters of the heart, this seeming hard to get is only making me want it more.
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What's up with the JR lynch getting no traction whatsoever? I don't mean no people joining, I mean no people even commenting on it. Feels like he has the lowest number of mentions by others, despite being middling in the post count. Seems odd.
Well I for one still have hope that we can get RR lynched, and would prefer that over Reggie.
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Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
RR, what was this about?
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I think RR might be a tad too devil-may-care to be scum. There's been more substance in his posting after the wagon on him was built, but his initial reaction seemed trusting in town not to mislynch him, almost daring us to try and see for ourselves. This relaxed attitude feels like town.
I still prefer Reggie, and I suspect there'd be others I'd prefer over RR as well if I looked into them.
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I meant to respond to this:
FYI:
For those that think this is RR as scum. Go look at M91. If Teproc can convince me about Robz using an old game, I can convince those of you voting him.
He was much less lurky there as scum, examples: here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg666296#msg666296), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg666556#msg666556), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg665756#msg665756). Day 1 he had 57 posts. And Day 1 only lasted 7 days. Here he has 28 and Day 1 has lasted 8 days already.
I don't think activity level is indicative of alignment. If you look at RMM43, scum!RR has only 17 posts D1.
This is what he looks like when he is suspected, examples: here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669159#msg669159), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669463#msg669463), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669492#msg669492), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg669702#msg669702), here (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16687.msg670297#msg670297). Much more OMGUSey, tunneley, defensive and flailing.
Most of these are referring to a very unusual situation that has not happened here. On the other hand, he does the exact same kind of joking that he may be scum in RMM43:
well, RR hasn't proven himself as town yet. Its coming though.
Ashersky is town though.
Don't get your hopes up my dude
You can also compare this reads list by scum!RR to the most recent one he posted:
1. 2.71828.....-Off the lynch table, not necessarily towny.
2. Faust-I don't know. Pretty null. Started the Eevee wagon twice, switched then went back.
4. Teproc-On the towny side of null. LaLight was scummy but Teproc isn't.
8. SpaceAnemone-Scummy.
9. Haddock-I got nothing.
10. Joseph2302-Scummy.
11. luckat-Nothing.
12. ashersky-See 2.7.
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What's up with the JR lynch getting no traction whatsoever? I don't mean no people joining, I mean no people even commenting on it. Feels like he has the lowest number of mentions by others, despite being middling in the post count. Seems odd.
I know I've taken heat for my "lets avoid common mislynches" statement, but J Reggie is an entirely different category of common all-too-common Day 1 mislynches. Makes me reluctant.
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Well I like the Roadrunner lynch a lot better after that awful reads list. Faust showing a pretty striking parallel from scum!runner convinces me that Faust is scum who has found another scum.
Vote: RR
His lynch is better than Faust's objectively and now they look like equal odds of being scum.
That being said, I'll gladly put my vote on either of those wagons.
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Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
It's amazing how 3 people on my wagon have posted since and none was able to answer this.
As for this, I still would like to make a better case but I see no reason to do it now.
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I think this is how Faust is when he is voted for as scum. His post about RR is true, and I'm still surprised the earlier push of RR didn't go through, but I almost want to lynch Faust more today. That being said, he is doing more for us than RR ever will.
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Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
RR, what was this about?
The mod was playing!
srs bsns only from me sry
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rereading now. I will post as I see things that stick out to me
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The worst part about being suspected so mucj D1 is that the town will never trust you and at LyLo this stuff'll come back to haunt me.
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If all my townish reads vote for me (Teproc, TWM, Jake and iguana) I will vote for myself, because I believe at that point the majority of the town will want me lynched, and I won't go against the town.
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Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
I can't really argue with this, actually.
https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif (https://i.imgur.com/jvsIqgz.gif)
I don't think scum!robz makes this joke
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Iguana had a very townie reaction to the wagon on him (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg703684#msg703684)
also, I should unvote while I am doing this
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Is faust L-1? We need more vote counts.
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Yeah, starting to really like (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg703929#msg703929) iguana for town
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J Reggie had a wagon created on him? I can see why (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704047#msg704047)
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Ash had the fifth vote on the RR wagon t 205, and I really don't like his reasoning (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704071#msg704071). Growing suspicious of ashersky.
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The WIFOM is strong with faust (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704101#msg704101).
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"I want the hammer" reads to me as "I want the potential town cred for hammering scum".
It's a big difference to the usual games where scum knows they are participating in a mislynch when they vote.
Actually quoting rather than linking because I really like this
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Is faust L-1? We need more vote counts.
Should be L-3. He was L-2 and I switched to RR.
check mark emoji
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Faust has (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704371#msg704371) this series (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704372#msg704372)of 6 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704373#msg704373)posts that (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704374#msg704374)are coming (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704375#msg704375)across as (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704376#msg704376)half joking, half serious, and half townie. Which makes me 150% more confident than I was before that he is scum. But if I start everyone at 50/50 then he is is still only at 75% scum. Either way, growing more suspicious.
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E is doing good analysis here. Hm
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So Robz. (read through 322 so far). He has popped in and out so far, and nothing to make me feel warm and fuzzy about him being town. He was kind of sort of against JR votes based on meta (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704302#msg704302), sheeped an opinion of mine without really investing himself (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704312#msg704312) anywhere (like as in, he didn't do votes (quick scan - his first vote is at 483 - haven't gotten there yet)), then continued with some friendly eevee sheeping (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704476#msg704476). Keeping an eye out for him.
summary through 322: Robz, Ash, faust, and JR all are coming off a little suspicious to me. Jake and RR are just kind of there with some weird posts that seem like they could be scummy but could also just be posts that make them mislynches. Iguana, eevee, and teproc are townie. Who am I forgetting? TWM, Joseph, and gkrieg. No real opinions yet. TWM is trying hard this game to not come off scummy like he has in the past. I don't think that is actually scummy, I think that is just him working hard to be more useful town. gkrieg and Joseph I don't know.
And of course, I am town
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So Robz. (read through 322 so far). He has popped in and out so far, and nothing to make me feel warm and fuzzy about him being town. He was kind of sort of against JR votes based on meta (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704302#msg704302), sheeped an opinion of mine without really investing himself (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704312#msg704312) anywhere (like as in, he didn't do votes (quick scan - his first vote is at 483 - haven't gotten there yet)), then continued with some friendly eevee sheeping (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704476#msg704476). Keeping an eye out for him.
summary through 322: Robz, Ash, faust, and JR all are coming off a little suspicious to me. Jake and RR are just kind of there with some weird posts that seem like they could be scummy but could also just be posts that make them mislynches. Iguana, eevee, and teproc are townie. Who am I forgetting? TWM, Joseph, and gkrieg. No real opinions yet. TWM is trying hard this game to not come off scummy like he has in the past. I don't think that is actually scummy, I think that is just him working hard to be more useful town. gkrieg and Joseph I don't know.
And of course, I am town
This is a fair appraisal of my play.
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I like the TWM analysis of Jake (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704646#msg704646). The observations that Jake talks about Jake and how that is scummy is something that I find intriguing, and I am inclined to like that analysis. Slightly scummier on Jake, townier on TWM.
(reads have slowed down - we started watching a movie)
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Don't have time right now, but will be around before deadline.
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I read the posts up until this post. That's all.
I still like the faust lynch. Any squirming at all is scummy from faust. Town!faust never squirms. This game he's squirmed a little.
I think gkrieg has said the same thing in different words.
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ok, finally finished reading through.
Want to lynch:
JR
Would lynch:
Ashersky, Robz, faust
Don't want to lynch:
gkrieg, Joseph, Iguana, Jake, RR, TWM, Teproc, Eevee
Vote: J Reggie
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What's up with the JR lynch getting no traction whatsoever? I don't mean no people joining, I mean no people even commenting on it. Feels like he has the lowest number of mentions by others, despite being middling in the post count. Seems odd.
Whats your case on him?
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We have four things from J Reggie. First, the plan:
Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
Then the Joseph vote
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
Then the faust vote
Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
and the gkrieg case
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
He then votes for gkrieg in his next post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704669#msg704669). And that's really it. Nothing here feels like town!Reggie to me. It feels like J Reggie, when he is active, is doing everything he can to appear townie without actually being townie.
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well
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Vote count 1.7
faust (4): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, Robz888, iguanaiguana
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (3): Teproc, Eevee, 2.71828...
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. oneish day, buckos!
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie, The_Wine_Merchant . . . again
mod quotes:
vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
oh whoops
page top vote counts only is lame no u
Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Because they're scared I'll catch them.
If that were true, it would mean all 5 scum are on your wagon. Game solved.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED
Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
RR, what was this about?
The mod was playing!
srs bsns only from me sry
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is there actually anyone that does 25 to a page? it's the only option at mafiascum unfortunately but that makes pagetop votecounts more viable since there are more pagetops
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is there actually anyone that does 25 to a page? it's the only option at mafiascum unfortunately but that makes pagetop votecounts more viable since there are more pagetops
I do!
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I do 25 to a page as well. It's the default and I'm used to it.
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Also, a day to deadline, two VLAs, seems like bad news bears.
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I do not dig the wagon on the guy with 5 posts and a VLA. I thought e was towny until his conclusion landed him on JReggie.
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I'll try and reread after I wake up today
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Vote count 1.7
faust (4): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, Robz888, iguanaiguana
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (3): Teproc, Eevee, 2.71828...
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. oneish day, buckos!
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie, The_Wine_Merchant . . . again
mod quotes:
vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
vc at lunch
Lunch was hours ago. It's 4pm
oh whoops
oh whoops
page top vote counts only is lame no u
Why do people want to lynch faust? I do not.
Because they're scared I'll catch them.
If that were true, it would mean all 5 scum are on your wagon. Game solved.
EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED
Is this a bastard game disguised as a normal game?
RR, what was this about?
The mod was playing!
srs bsns only from me sry
So the wagons it seems are faust, RR & JR. I'll focus my rereads on them
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I do not dig the wagon on the guy with 5 posts and a VLA. I thought e was towny until his conclusion landed him on JReggie.
Bing! I like that people aren't looking at him though. At this point he feels like more of a random lynch.
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I do not dig the wagon on the guy with 5 posts and a VLA. I thought e was towny until his conclusion landed him on JReggie.
Bing! I like that people aren't looking at him though. At this point he feels like more of a random lynch.
I thought people were saying random lynches are fine though?
Also, not random. He is behaving scummily. V/LA does not give you an automatic pass.
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The plan: 100% a town cred grab
The Joseph vote: way too easy
The faust vote: when you call yourself scummy (calling his own vote sheeping...although yes, not all sheeping is bad), you might just be scummy
The gkrieg vote: He calls gkrieg out for what he has been doing all game.
It isn't random. It is based on his play
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I do not dig the wagon on the guy with 5 posts and a VLA. I thought e was towny until his conclusion landed him on JReggie.
Bing! I like that people aren't looking at him though. At this point he feels like more of a random lynch.
I thought people were saying random lynches are fine though?
Also, not random. He is behaving scummily. V/LA does not give you an automatic pass.
Random is better this game than usual, but isn't better than a non-random lynch, obviously. And I mean the reasons given for lynching him seem random. Yours are ok, I don't agree totally but that is ok. We aren't going to agree about everything.But others---eevee for example felt like throwing darts at random.
I would rather vote eevee.
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The plan: 100% a town cred grab
The Joseph vote: way too easy
The faust vote: when you call yourself scummy (calling his own vote sheeping...although yes, not all sheeping is bad), you might just be scummy
The gkrieg vote: He calls gkrieg out for what he has been doing all game.
It isn't random. It is based on his play
Lieterally all of those things are things town does. The first, is weird. I will admit. But seems too attention grabbing to me. J Reggie gets enough attention without those sort of antics.
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I just don't see much alignment indicative content from him. Reggie always does something scummy D1 and if anything he has done less than usual to deserve being lynched this game.
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I also feel like e's attempting to make every single one of his posts look scummy is either from scum or bad confirmation bias.
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In particular, REggie's post about Gkrieg didn't read scummy at all to me and e's analysis of it doesn't make any sense. That post from Reggie was towny IMO.
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I do not dig the wagon on the guy with 5 posts and a VLA. I thought e was towny until his conclusion landed him on JReggie.
Bing! I like that people aren't looking at him though. At this point he feels like more of a random lynch.
I thought people were saying random lynches are fine though?
Also, not random. He is behaving scummily. V/LA does not give you an automatic pass.
Random is better this game than usual, but isn't better than a non-random lynch, obviously. And I mean the reasons given for lynching him seem random. Yours are ok, I don't agree totally but that is ok. We aren't going to agree about everything.But others---eevee for example felt like throwing darts at random.
I would rather vote eevee.
What has eevee done that is so scummy?
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I would switch to faust to get a lynch through, but JR is by and far the better lynch. In a multitude of posts you will find something scummy. In a small amount of posts you will not be able to build a case. And scum can hide behind that. We call it lurking. Scum does it. I am not saying that J Reggie doesn't have a valid V/LA or anything, just saying that he has not been active, but when he has he has stayed very safe. And don't try to tell me that coming out with "a plan" is so scary that scum won't do it. Even if the plan isn't great.
Is my case on J Reggie a stretch? Sure it is. It is D1. I felt like my D1 case on faust in M102 was pretty awful (non-existent) too (mcmc will disagree with me, but this is from my perspective). I even stated in the speccy after I died that I basically said "lynch faust" often and loudly and I got lucky when he flipped. I feel like J Reggie has done some things that I think are scummy. Each one individually you can write off, but together as a whole I think he is rather suspicious.
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We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
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You are saying lynch J Reggie loudly and often, but I don't think you are so lucky this time. Maybe the success went to your head?
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Been a busy day. I thought J Reggie was townie for his plan thing. Seemed very J Reggie-y.
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is there actually anyone that does 25 to a page? it's the only option at mafiascum unfortunately but that makes pagetop votecounts more viable since there are more pagetops
I do
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We have four things from J Reggie. First, the plan:
Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
Then the Joseph vote
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
Then the faust vote
Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
and the gkrieg case
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
He then votes for gkrieg in his next post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704669#msg704669). And that's really it. Nothing here feels like town!Reggie to me. It feels like J Reggie, when he is active, is doing everything he can to appear townie without actually being townie.
So basically everything he's done is scummy.
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We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
Or option 4: you Vote: 2.71
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We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
Or option 4: you Vote: 2.71
We can but try.
Vote: e
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I would rather vote vote for faust than e, but still prefer reggie to both.
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Well I like the Roadrunner lynch a lot better after that awful reads list. Faust showing a pretty striking parallel from scum!runner convinces me that Faust is scum who has found another scum.
Well I guess that's something.
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Faust has (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704371#msg704371) this series (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704372#msg704372)of 6 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704373#msg704373)posts that (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704374#msg704374)are coming (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704375#msg704375)across as (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704376#msg704376)half joking, half serious, and half townie. Which makes me 150% more confident than I was before that he is scum. But if I start everyone at 50/50 then he is is still only at 75% scum. Either way, growing more suspicious.
I would usually start rambling about how it shouldn't start at 50/50, but in this setup it's actually not too far off.
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I still like the faust lynch. Any squirming at all is scummy from faust. Town!faust never squirms. This game he's squirmed a little.
I think gkrieg has said the same thing in different words.
Not sure what squirming means in this context, but i don't think that's an accurate description of my play. Can you provide an example of town!me close to lynch that demonstrates this?
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We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
Or option 4: you Vote: 2.71
We can but try.
Vote: e
Joseph and Jake are townie but probably misguided.
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I would rather vote vote for faust than e, but still prefer reggie to both.
RR doesn't exist as a viable lynch option for you?
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Faust has (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704371#msg704371) this series (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704372#msg704372)of 6 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704373#msg704373)posts that (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704374#msg704374)are coming (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704375#msg704375)across as (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704376#msg704376)half joking, half serious, and half townie. Which makes me 150% more confident than I was before that he is scum. But if I start everyone at 50/50 then he is is still only at 75% scum. Either way, growing more suspicious.
I looked at this. i don't know why my "half townie" posts are scummy. I guess I need to post full townie posts in order to convince you?
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Vote count 1.7
faust (4): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, Robz888, iguanaiguana
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (3): Teproc, Eevee, 2.71828...
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
Comparing the current votes against the earlier L-1 wagon on RR is interesting. Apparently I am the only one still voting. It's interesting that TWM was originally on there when he now makes such a strong stance that RR is town. The majority of this RR wagon has since moved to me.
What this means it that it will be hard for me to push through an RR lynch today. I mean the people that have previously voted RR are now voting for me so they won't exactly trust me when I tell them to move back.
Anyway, it should be obvious the the wagon on me is the worst. Even if I was scum, I'd still be helpful in finding scum. RR and J Reggie did not show much intent to scumhunt. This also fits with my read on Teproc - scummy but we shouldn't lynch - which is, might I add, a supremely townie position to take, so you should all townread me.
I think this is how Faust is when he is voted for as scum. His post about RR is true, and I'm still surprised the earlier push of RR didn't go through, but I almost want to lynch Faust more today. That being said, he is doing more for us than RR ever will.
gkrieg saying he "almost" wants to lynch me more is slightly irritating given that at the point he is actually voting for me.
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Vote count 1.7
faust (4): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, Robz888, iguanaiguana
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (3): Teproc, Eevee, 2.71828...
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
Comparing the current votes against the earlier L-1 wagon on RR is interesting. Apparently I am the only one still voting. It's interesting that TWM was originally on there when he now makes such a strong stance that RR is town. The majority of this RR wagon has since moved to me.
What this means it that it will be hard for me to push through an RR lynch today. I mean the people that have previously voted RR are now voting for me so they won't exactly trust me when I tell them to move back.
Anyway, it should be obvious the the wagon on me is the worst. Even if I was scum, I'd still be helpful in finding scum. RR and J Reggie did not show much intent to scumhunt. This also fits with my read on Teproc - scummy but we shouldn't lynch - which is, might I add, a supremely townie position to take, so you should all townread me.
I think this is how Faust is when he is voted for as scum. His post about RR is true, and I'm still surprised the earlier push of RR didn't go through, but I almost want to lynch Faust more today. That being said, he is doing more for us than RR ever will.
gkrieg saying he "almost" wants to lynch me more is slightly irritating given that at the point he is actually voting for me.
Actually, this is very interesting. Looks like more than enough people have voted for RR today that if they went back to him, he could get lynched.
Seeing as the e wagon was a non-starter, lets go Vote: RR
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Don't get distracted by scum!Faust saying we can't push through the Roadrunner lynch. We can do it.
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Don't get distracted by scum!Faust saying we can't push through the Roadrunner lynch. We can do it.
What is your case on rr? His posts have felt more like classic "mislynch rr" posts more than scum posts. When I want posting too much Arrington to the game yeah, I thought they were scummy. Reading the game altogether as a whole, not so much
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Faust has (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704371#msg704371) this series (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704372#msg704372)of 6 (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704373#msg704373)posts that (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704374#msg704374)are coming (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704375#msg704375)across as (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704376#msg704376)half joking, half serious, and half townie. Which makes me 150% more confident than I was before that he is scum. But if I start everyone at 50/50 then he is is still only at 75% scum. Either way, growing more suspicious.
I looked at this. i don't know why my "half townie" posts are scummy. I guess I need to post full townie posts in order to convince you?
That would help. But in all seriousness, "half-townie" was meant to say more that individually each of those posts can be looked at and given a townie enough rating, but I just got the internal gut scum after reading them. So no real "case" per se, but gut.
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I Didn't want to vote RR until this post:
[Reads list]
The rest of his stuff looks null to me. This looks scummy. He's posting a reads list but not giving any real reads so that later you aren't able to find his partner or partners on it. On D1 I wouldn't expect more than one scummy post from a lurky player.
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faust: what do you think of J Reggie vs RR. Are you on whichever makes it less likely that you get lynched or the one you think is more scum?
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I Didn't want to vote RR until this post:
[Reads list]
The rest of his stuff looks null to me. This looks scummy. He's posting a reads list but not giving any real reads so that later you aren't able to find his partner or partners on it. On D1 I wouldn't expect more than one scummy post from a lurky player.
What are your expectations for "real reads"? Those reads look real enough to me.
e!Tranlation:
band members:
1. iguana- town
3. 2.71828...- scum
4. The_Wine_Merchant-town
5. Joseph2302- slightly scum
6. Robz888- null. Would lynch
7. Eevee- null. Would lynch
8. gkrieg13- null
9. Teproc- town
10. J Reggie- slightly scum
11. JaketheBaseballGod22- scum
12. faust- scum
13. ashersky- null
5 on the scummier side, 4 null, 3 stronger town reads, and reading himself as town. Seems like a pretty decent D1 reads list. Starting the reads like he did is just rr!indicative not scum!indicative. Not everyone is as absurdly confident as I am in my reads (no matter how wrong they might be)
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11 hours to go. I should be around at deadline
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There are more problems with the list. His townreads are only the safest townreads: me, Teproc have been the most widely townread players.
His read on TWM as 'actually slightly scummy' comes straight after I made a case on him and failed to start a wagon - so it looks a little parroty.
His read on Robz is also just a summary of the base consensus opinion.
I guess I believe that as town RR forms his own opinions but as scum he may feel tempted to mimic the already stated opinions of others. So it's the status quo aspect of the reads list I don't like.
Plus Faust just pointed out how he made a list like this in his last scum game where he won...
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There are more problems with the list. His townreads are only the safest townreads: me, Teproc have been the most widely townread players.
His read on TWM as 'actually slightly scummy' comes straight after I made a case on him and failed to start a wagon - so it looks a little parroty.
His read on Robz is also just a summary of the base consensus opinion.
I guess I believe that as town RR forms his own opinions but as scum he may feel tempted to mimic the already stated opinions of others. So it's the status quo aspect of the reads list I don't like.
Plus Faust just pointed out how he made a list like this in his last scum game where he won...
Make one list and you are scum forever. Just because his reads line up with most everyone else doesn't mean they are scummy, it means we are all reading the same game.
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Yeah, I completely disagree with everything you just said. Nice 8)
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Anyway, if you hate the RR lynch so much why don't we just lynch Faust?
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Yeah, I completely disagree with everything you just said. Nice 8)
But then you should agree about lynching JR. Your case on rr is that he only makes the safest town/scum reads. What about JR? Of his extremely limited posts ghee had voted 3 times. Once because of an un-announced L-2. Once sheeping. And once based on his little statement about gkrieg.
Pretty safe votes. Almost one he is just willing to vote someone to get a lynch done without really caring who it is.
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Anyway, if you hate the RR lynch so much why don't we just lynch Faust?
We can, 10 minutes before the deadline.
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But then you should agree about lynching JR.
Sorry, I disagree about that too. It's hard for me to see how you think JR is a good lynch and RR is a bad lynch. I'm sure it looks similarly confusing from your perspective if you are in fact town.
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But then you should agree about lynching JR.
Sorry, I disagree about that too. It's hard for me to see how you think JR is a good lynch and RR is a bad lynch. I'm sure it looks similarly confusing from your perspective if you are in fact town.
Yep. Two stuck in the mud townies disagreeing. At least we aren't voting each other
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Would prefer robz over faust though. As far as lynching goes.
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But then you should agree about lynching JR.
Sorry, I disagree about that too. It's hard for me to see how you think JR is a good lynch and RR is a bad lynch. I'm sure it looks similarly confusing from your perspective if you are in fact town.
Yep. Two stuck in the mud townies disagreeing. At least we aren't voting each other
Yeah brings back fun memories of Fruit Ninja Mafia honestly
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I would rather vote vote for faust than e, but still prefer reggie to both.
RR doesn't exist as a viable lynch option for you?
RR is my least favorite of the bunch. I think his nonchalance is towny.
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I'm at:
Won't lynch: Iguana, 2.7, Teproc, Jake maybe
Meh: Eevee, Gkrieg, Joseph, J Reggie, Robz
Will lynch: Roadrunner, Faust, Ash, TWM
I'm sure there's a town or two in my will lynch list and gauranteed to be at least one scum in my meh list, so, you know, blarrgh.
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RR is my least favorite of the bunch. I think his nonchalance is towny.
Well I think your crappy defense is partnery!
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I Didn't want to vote RR until this post:
[Reads list]
The rest of his stuff looks null to me. This looks scummy. He's posting a reads list but not giving any real reads so that later you aren't able to find his partner or partners on it. On D1 I wouldn't expect more than one scummy post from a lurky player.
However I do agree that the reads post from RR was pretty scummy.
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I'm not going to lynch faust or E, under any circumstances today, full stop. And I really think the J Reggie lynch is wrong.
TWM is my biggest townread. Don't really want to lynch Teproc either.
Honestly, I feel pretty committed to RR. I do not read his nonchalance as townie. Let's make it happen, people.
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vote: robz
I no longer buy teproc's explanation for this
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faust: what do you think of J Reggie vs RR. Are you on whichever makes it less likely that you get lynched or the one you think is more scum?
I think RR is scummier and that's where I'm voting.
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I would rather vote vote for faust than e, but still prefer reggie to both.
RR doesn't exist as a viable lynch option for you?
RR is my least favorite of the bunch. I think his nonchalance is towny.
Even when he played exactly the same in his last scum game?
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vote: robz
I no longer buy teproc's explanation for this
Dude, this is a wasted vote, I am not happening today.
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Vote: Robz
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I fundamentally disagree with faust's "we shouldn't lynch scumhunters" premise. Firstly because I think the best scumhunters aren't THAT much better at it than others, but more importantly because it's essentially saying that you're taking a higher chance of mislynching in exchange for a more useful scum lynch.
The problem with that is that mislynches are worse in this setup than usual. They're less likely, but the fact that the scum factions can collaborate for a while (which isn't true in usual multiball, except by accident), with mafia only submitting townies and WWs obliging, means that this can go poorly real fast for us. So the minor benefit of not lynching people like faust, e or me, is negated by the added risk of a mislynch.
With that in mind... e feels off to me here. He's scumhunting, and I agree with him on JR (FoS on people implying there's no case there), but there's an earnestness to his posts here, and town!e is much more laid back... in other words he just feels slightly off to me, and I think that's where scum lies in this setup, much more than in obvious scummy things... which is also making me wary of my own JR case. I don't think I've really been accounting for the setup in my approach so far, or not enough at least.
vote: e
Still think Robz is town and I'm not sure what has changed in people's minds recently there, iguana is also town, TWM most likely so... don't want to lynch RR, could do Jake or JR... who else is in this game again ? Anyway, I'll be back a few hours before deadline.
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Vote: Robz
Don't do it!
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I'm inherently suspicious of people who say Robz looks towny here. I don't think there is enough information to say that.
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Vote: Robz
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Ruh roh.
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Ruh roh.
I don't know. This just seems way too jokey for town!robz.
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I'm not going to lynch faust or E, under any circumstances today, full stop. And I really think the J Reggie lynch is wrong.
TWM is my biggest townread. Don't really want to lynch Teproc either.
Honestly, I feel pretty committed to RR. I do not read his nonchalance as townie. Let's make it happen, people.
Why not lynch e?
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There are more problems with the list. His townreads are only the safest townreads: me, Teproc have been the most widely townread players.
His read on TWM as 'actually slightly scummy' comes straight after I made a case on him and failed to start a wagon - so it looks a little parroty.
His read on Robz is also just a summary of the base consensus opinion.
I guess I believe that as town RR forms his own opinions but as scum he may feel tempted to mimic the already stated opinions of others. So it's the status quo aspect of the reads list I don't like.
Plus Faust just pointed out how he made a list like this in his last scum game where he won...
Make one list and you are scum forever. Just because his reads line up with most everyone else doesn't mean they are scummy, it means we are all reading the same game.
This is soooo wrong.
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vote: E
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Jake, if that's so wrong why aren't you voting for me?
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Vote: Robz
You said you wouldn't lynch e under any circumstances today!
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Jake, if that's so wrong why aren't you voting for me?
Because e is a better lynch then you.
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Request Vote Count
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crump
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Vote count 1.8
faust (2): gkrieg13, ashersky
Roadrunner7671 (2): faust, Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (1): Eevee
2.71828... (3): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc, Robz888
Robz888 (4): The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana, 2.71828..., Roadrunner7671
not voting (0)
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. aaaa that's soon
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie, The_Wine_Merchant
mod quotes:
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Intent to hammer
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Intent to hammer
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Vote: Robz
You said you wouldn't lynch e under any circumstances today!
I changed my mind. It's not scummy to do so.
Honestly I hope I am lynched here, it will be a good reminder of what is and is not scummy play.
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Intent to hammer
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Sorry. Lost a sentence. Meant that I am out til a few before deadline. Intent to hammer then, assuming there is a wagon to hammer.
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You could always self vote.
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I am Interested to know where TWM got the erroneous idea anyone was at L-1 (perhaps from an out of date QT post?)
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I am Interested to know where TWM got the erroneous idea anyone was at L-1 (perhaps from an out of date QT post?)
No one is at l1. Duh there is a vote count right above. Don't be dumb
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When I come back online if anyone is at L1 I will hammer them. That was my intent to hammer post.
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I am Interested to know where TWM got the erroneous idea anyone was at L-1 (perhaps from an out of date QT post?)
No one is at l1. Duh there is a vote count right above. Don't be dumb
Which is why your post doesn't make sense unless you hastily acted under bad information you got from somewhere else.
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I am Interested to know where TWM got the erroneous idea anyone was at L-1 (perhaps from an out of date QT post?)
No one is at l1. Duh there is a vote count right above. Don't be dumb
Which is why your post doesn't make sense unless you hastily acted under bad information you got from somewhere else.
Oh, like daychat?
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This is soooo wrong.
Nice, that's what I thought too. Must mean we are both reading the same nonsense from e.
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So we had 2 decent wagons and now people are suddenly voting for Robz and e and I have no idea why. And I don't think I can figure it out, and I need to go to bed soonish. Anyone want to convince me to move somewhere?
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Not a fan of the e wagon, not super psyched about the Robz wagon, although he is my preference with those two.
Eevee would be better, faust even better. Would anyone be willing to vote Eevee?
vote: Eevee
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Not a fan of the e wagon, not super psyched about the Robz wagon, although he is my preference with those two.
Eevee would be better, faust even better. Would anyone be willing to vote Eevee?
vote: Eevee
Nah, Eevee is town.
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Seriously at this point just vote for me if you have to instead of running up one random wagon after the other.
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What do you do in a game where every person who gets wagoned throws up their figurative arms and says 'just lynch me already!'?
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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Seriously though, scum is lurking because some of these wagons are on partners and no lynch is by far the best thing for their wincon. Town needs to show up, talk, and get a lynch through right now.
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Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
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I'm available until the deadline starting soon.
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I am Interested to know where TWM got the erroneous idea anyone was at L-1 (perhaps from an out of date QT post?)
No one is at l1. Duh there is a vote count right above. Don't be dumb
Which is why your post doesn't make sense unless you hastily acted under bad information you got from somewhere else.
OR I am on a phone and lost half my post? I don't even have access to a at right now. I am on vla bud.
But I guess hang on to your conspiracy theory. Looks real good on you. Seriously. Complete 180 from last game from you.
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What do you do in a game where every person who gets wagoned throws up their figurative arms and says 'just lynch me already!'?
Lack of PRs
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So your PoE eliminates anyone we stand a chance of lynching? and your new top choice is the other lurker with too little content to get a proper read on?
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@e
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So your PoE eliminates anyone we stand a chance of lynching? and your new top choice is the other lurker with too little content to get a proper read on?
iguana's philosophy on this game: I WILL NOT LYNCH LURKERS!!!!!
iguana's posts this game: scum is lurking
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Seriously though, scum is lurking because some of these wagons are on partners and no lynch is by far the best thing for their wincon. Town needs to show up, talk, and get a lynch through right now.
referring to this post
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I totally think iguana is town here, but I don't understand where some of your hesitancy to lynch certain people comes from.
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4 and a half hours is plenty of time to pull a lynch together on anyone playing this game.
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I will be around to move my vote as necessary as we approach the deadline.
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Town needs to show up, talk, and get a lynch through right now.
But this needs to happen
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Town needs to show up, talk, and get a lynch through right now.
But this needs to happen
Then vote robz. Biggest wagon that isn't you.
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Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
Ugh. We need a lynch, and you do a PoE that leaves noone with >1 vote? Then you go on to vote for a person with even fewer votes on them than the person you apparently would like to lynch?
Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
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vote: e
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And with that I am leaving you for today.
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case on me? let me try.
completely absent all day until the end. Tries to get involved in the game, but no one really likes his opinions. Kind of scrambles around trying to get some of his scum reads lynched, no traction. The scrambling gives the sense that he is desperate and just wants to lynch anyone. Since he was absent most of the day, lynching him is kind of cool and a new idea that gets some traction.
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Not too concerned about getting lynched because town hasn't decided to show up to get a lynch done.
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This is soooo wrong.
Nice, that's what I thought too. Must mean we are both reading the same nonsense from e.
;D
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And yeah, sorry. D1 was really just terrible timing for me. 4th of July weekend and then work gets crazy the rest of the week and the only time I have left to do anything is 24 hours to the lynch.
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Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
Really were back to this stupid POE again?!?!?!?!?!??!
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vote: e
L-2 btw
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Really were back to this stupid POE again?!?!?!?!?!??!
PoE is not stupid. It is actually really good thing
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But yeah. I understand lynching me. I blame myself more than anything else because I wasn't around all day.
I won't, however, give the faust or Robz reaction of "meh, getting lynched sucks, but things will be fine."
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Sorry E, your vote for me frustrated me. I could move elsewhere but I don't know if there is time.
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Sorry E, your vote for me frustrated me. I could move elsewhere but I don't know if there is time.
There are 2.5 hours remaining. I don't think anyone is getting lynched today based on how many people have been around today.
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vote: RR
better than lynching me
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actually, vote: faust
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vote: faust
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Really were back to this stupid POE again?!?!?!?!?!??!
PoE is not stupid. It is actually really good thing
Yeah when it's useful but D1 POE is awful.
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vote: faust
vote: e
Man Eevee really sticking up for what you belive in.
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C ench
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Vote count 1.9
faust (3): ashersky, 2.71828..., Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
2.71828... (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc, Robz888, faust
Robz888 (3): The_Wine_Merchant, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671
Eevee (1): gkrieg13
not voting (0)
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie (?), The_Wine_Merchant
mod quotes:
What do you do in a game where every person who gets wagoned throws up their figurative arms and says 'just lynch me already!'?
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
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vote: faust
vote: e
Man Eevee really sticking up for what you belive in.
What point are you trying to make here?
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Not super keen, but Vote: faust seems the most doable lynch right now. It's 11pm here, so I'm going to bed. Won't be around for deadline
PPE: 2?
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vote: faust
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I'm back and catching up. If I'm desperately needed for a good lynch, let me know.
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vote: faust
....
Still L-2
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vote: faust
....
Still L-2
wait, you had switched to eevee. I missed that
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Request: Vote Count
scroll up a bit
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I totally think iguana is town here, but I don't understand where some of your hesitancy to lynch certain people comes from.
The two people you want: Jake and J Reggie have done at least one towny post that makes me not want that lynch.
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Town needs to show up, talk, and get a lynch through right now.
But this needs to happen
Then vote robz. Biggest wagon that isn't you.
Saying anyone is the biggest wagon is artificial when votes have moved around this much. The two people who the most people have been willing to vote for are Faust and Roadrunner and I think those are by far also our best two lynch candidates for today.
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request new vote count
The old one is out of date
set me up for a pagetop and i'll see what i can do
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Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
Vote: Faust
A vote we can all believe in. Let's do this.
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And that was L-1. Maybe I should have finished reading the thread before voting.
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Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
Vote: Faust
A vote we can all believe in. Let's do this.
No it's not. I don't believe in this lynch at all. Protest
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Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
Vote: Faust
A vote we can all believe in. Let's do this.
No it's not. I don't believe in this lynch at all. Protest
O rly -- Y?
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vote: faust
vote: e
Man Eevee really sticking up for what you belive in.
What point are you trying to make here?
Every time someone votes a different person Eevee just flips their vote to that person.
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Intent to hammer
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Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
Vote: Faust
A vote we can all believe in. Let's do this.
No it's not. I don't believe in this lynch at all. Protest
O rly -- Y?
Becuase e is super scummy and faust isn't.
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Intent to hammer
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Unvote
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Jake, say your piece.
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Not super keen, but Vote: faust seems the most doable lynch right now. It's 11pm here, so I'm going to bed. Won't be around for deadline
PPE: 2?
No he's not. Where did you even get that from????
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Jake, right now the only narrative I can think of for your flailing on Faust's behalf is "Faust's partner."
Why spend so much energy against his lynch but you don't even state why you have a townread?
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Sure, that's convincing. Vote: e
Vote: Faust
A vote we can all believe in. Let's do this.
No it's not. I don't believe in this lynch at all. Protest
O rly -- Y?
Becuase e is super scummy and faust isn't.
Just saw this - I guess I have a decently big townread on e after his coming into the game. Can't see the scum narrative for what he's done. Some of it looks bad sure but town looks bad sometimes. e looked worse before he got active IMO.
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norbiec
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Vote count 1.self-titled
faust (5): ashersky, 2.71828..., Eevee, Joseph2302, gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
2.71828... (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc, Robz888, faust
Robz888 (2): The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
not voting (1) iguanaiguana
with 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. day 1 ends sunday, july 9th at 8pm forum time. bleeuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
mod notes:
- VLAs: J Reggie (?), The_Wine_Merchant
mod quotes:
Request: Vote Count
scroll up a bit
request new vote count
The old one is out of date
set me up for a pagetop and i'll see what i can do
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Jake, say your piece.
e is a much better lynch faust. e was on L-2 before e voted faust and then Eevee, gkrieg all voted faust for no reason. Were not pressed up against the deadline for at least another 45 minutes.
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Just saying I protest this "apparent" lynch
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Well, uh, I plan to vote Faust again within an hour. The only person I would rather lynch is Roadrunner. Again, I think there is good odds they're different scum factions. I've read enough Faust scum games to know that Faust repeatedly saying "there's not reason to lynch me, you're all a bunch of fools" but not actually interacting with cases against him = scum Faust trying to scare people off with his confidence.
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I'm here. faust or e it looks like ? La
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got cutoff...
Largery prefer e but could do faust if needed, I guess.
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got cutoff...
Largery prefer e but could do faust if needed, I guess.
If you want e, convince me.
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got cutoff...
Largery prefer e but could do faust if needed, I guess.
Don't, stick to your guns.
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I prefer faust. Iguana being my biggest townread is a factor.
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I prefer faust. Iguana being my biggest townread is a factor.
oh yeah because I reek confidence.
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got cutoff...
Largery prefer e but could do faust if needed, I guess.
If you want e, convince me.
It essentially boils down to town!e being more nonchanlant than this. You can feel the effort in his posts here in a way that you can't when he's town. He's been absent so it's a little harder to tell, but scum!e is more "obviously" pro-town than scum!e... it feels like most people voting for e are not thinking the same way at all, but I do think he's the likelest player to flip scum.
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Vote: Faust
L-1
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got cutoff...
Largery prefer e but could do faust if needed, I guess.
If you want e, convince me.
It essentially boils down to town!e being more nonchanlant than this. You can feel the effort in his posts here in a way that you can't when he's town. He's been absent so it's a little harder to tell, but scum!e is more "obviously" pro-town than scum!e... it feels like most people voting for e are not thinking the same way at all, but I do think he's the likelest player to flip scum.
I just reread e. I still see 4 posts in there that look legit towny-mindset to me. If he's scum, he faked those posts pretty well. He flips on players in a really towny way.
To me, IF Roadrunner is scum, e is more likely but not necessarily scum. Because the only person he's really vested any interest in is Roadrunner. His approach to everything else has been solvy and objective. That's something I want to put off for later days, not gamble on right now.
I'm going to reread Faust again, try to consider him as town, and then consider the hammer.
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Jake's posts here have been interesting. Not sure if his tunneling is townie or scummy
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Astonishing. I didn't know one could train pet iguanas to repeat things!
Things like
Vote: Faust
Pretty sure i'm the seventh person who said it.
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I was voting for Faust most of the day and couldn't get people to follow me there.
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Astonishing. I didn't know one could train pet iguanas to repeat things!
Things like
Vote: Faust
Pretty sure i'm the seventh person who said it.
:'( :'( :'(
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I was voting for Faust most of the day and couldn't get people to follow me there.
yeah. Not a fan of Jake's play at the end of the day.
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Done with drive. Here
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Done with drive. Here
We lynched Fast.
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Faust
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Eevee is a goodlynch tomorrow.
Vote: Faust just to make sure.
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Second time in a row I didn't get to be part of a Faust lynch. Also people go reread Robz's conspiracy theory about me and think if it is conceivable for him to be some ridiculous as town, especially when we know how good he can be as town
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thread locked
D1 final vote count
faust (7): ashersky, 2.71828..., Eevee, Joseph2302, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, iguanaiguana
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
2.71828... (4): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc, Robz888, faust
Robz888 (2): The_Wine_Merchant
not voting (0)
with 13 alive, it took 7 to lynch.
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https://youtu.be/mv_o_MgSlxk?t=1m6s (https://youtu.be/mv_o_MgSlxk?t=1m6s)
here comes the night time
lookin' for a little more
waitin' on the right time
somebody outside the door
don't blame me
please be strong, i know i'm not wrong
faust has been lynched! he was love-aligned.
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N1 starts!
https://youtu.be/m6zA6-Rce9w?t=28s (https://youtu.be/m6zA6-Rce9w?t=28s)
come on, baby, could you ever be
just a little close to me
oo, oo, oo, oo
could we ever forget tonight?
a list is found on a snow-covered hill, reading:
"Roadrunner7671
The_Wine_Merchant
iguanaiguana"
werewolves have until 8pm forum time on tuesday, july 11 to choose between these three candidates.
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oh wowee not-even-intentional pagetop
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https://youtu.be/imBGeaIv8iM?t=47s (https://youtu.be/imBGeaIv8iM?t=47s)
lord, it's good to talk to you
even sweeter than wine
don't take the love light away
cause i'm far away from home
The_Wine_Merchant has been killed in the night.
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https://youtu.be/wTi19MPOvDw?t=1m33s (https://youtu.be/wTi19MPOvDw?t=1m33s)
and the songbirds are singing,
like they know the score
and i love you, i love you, i love you
like never before
Day 2 Starts!
Vote count 2.0
not voting (11): iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, 2.71828..., Joseph2302, Robz888, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, ashersky
with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends tuesday, july 18th at 9pm forum time. thread unlokked
mod notes:
- gkrieg13 is VLA. TWM's VLA ended lul lol lol lo l lel loL haha
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Interesting kill there. I would've thought they would've killed iguana.
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6 town, five scum. Gross.
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So mafia could've nominated a werewolf, or themselves, so that list doesn't mean much.
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But you would expect them to nominate some more townie players, and not ones that are mislynchable, wouldn't you?
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Werewolves think that TWM was more of a threat than me because of my crappy reads,
OR werewolves think that they can lynch me more easily than TWM because of my Faust hammer, or something like that to set me up for a mislynch.
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But you would expect them to nominate some more townie players, and not ones that are mislynchable, wouldn't you?
TWM and I were the two players who the most players called town D1. Teproc was probably third on that list.
Roadrunner was the clear WIFOM choice.
Either
He's town and they wanted to set him up for a mislynch by putting him on the list knowing he wouldn't get chosen for the kill.
OR
He's mafia and they knew they could safely put him on the list without him being killed
OR
He's werewolf and mafia think he's likely!wolf and mafia was trying to troll the wolves.
All in all, eh.
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I think all three of the nominations for the kill were town
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I think all three of the nominations for the kill were town
And why is that?
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This is the part everyone skips that town should do every time.
WHAT DID THE DEAD PEOPLE THINK?
TWM:
Scum on Robz, Eevee.
Did not support lynching Roadrunner or J Reggie, although he asked why no one was suspecting J Reggie.
Town on Gkrieg.
Summary: TWM spent most of yesterday trying to push Robz's buttons or trying to lynch Robz, but he ended the day saying that Eevee was the lynch to pursue.
Faust
Hey, Faust. Sorry :/
Scum on: Roadrunner, Teproc, J Reggie
supports lynch on: e, Roadrunner
Does not support lynch on: Robz, Gkrieg
Town on Eevee, Joseph, Jake, me
Summary: Faust mostly pushed for Roadrunner, but repeatedly suspected Teproc. Had a slight scumread on J Reggie, and ended up on the e wagon because of e's late day play. He repeatedly argued against people voting for Robz and Eevee. So yeah, almost the exact opposite of TWM.
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Tomorrow, I'm going to reread the living people's D1s and then we are going to LYNCH SCUM 8)
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yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
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I think all three of the nominations for the kill were town
And why is that?
Town flip on TWM. Town read on iguana. I suppose RR could be werewolf, but I don't see any reason for mafia to put one of there own on the list.
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But a townier read on RR as well.
I actually expected RR to be the kill there. I was pretty disappointed with the list of 3 kill candidates. I was hoping for some other players that I thought were scummier. Werewolves have to try to kill scum. It is the only way that they can win. I mean, they can lynch scum (which helps), but anytime they have the chance to kill scum at night I think they jump at the opportunity. So I expected RR to die because werewolves might think he was scum and scum were trying to pull a fast one over on them or something.
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That being said. The fact that RR is alive makes me think town or WW. Not goon.
And either way we should lynch J Reggie, Jake, or gkrieg.
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Unvote
Jake, say your piece.
Super townie in light of the flip
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I think the exact opposite of E.
I mean, clearly he's wrong. WW's shot TWM, who was very obviously townie. Most townie, in fact. So clearly they want to work with Mafia at least for a while.
Mafia clearly guessed (if you can call it that) right that WWs would shoot the townie.
I actually think this makes RR look like a Mafia who was added to the list with the expectation that very townie TWM or ig would get shot.
Vote: RR
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And I think ig should basically be treated like non-Mafia, though he could be WW
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Well you can think whatever you want, I'm just happy to be alive.
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I think the exact opposite of E.
We can agree to disagree.
Your vote on RR assumes that mafia included one of their own in the list. Why do you think that is a safe assumption? I don't think werewolves "clearly" want to work with mafia for the time.
There is a lot of WIFOM related to the status of people on the list, but I don't want to lynch someone based on whether they were on the list or not. Between RR and iguana yeah, I would vote RR, but what happened to your D1 scum read of gkrieg for example?
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Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
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yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
What's this about?
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Oops sorry schadd :'(
25s are for plebs anyway
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yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
What's this about?
It's a carry over from my D1 case on you
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yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
What's this about?
It's a carry over from my D1 case on you
So you voting me has nothing to do with voting faust being bad?
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yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
What's this about?
It's a carry over from my D1 case on you
So you voting me has nothing to do with voting faust being bad?
I don't know that I understand your question here. I am not voting you entirely based on flips, but that does not mean the flips have not informed my vote.
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Oh, ok. I had just said faust lynch was no good. Got it.
No, it was just more that I was reminded about thinking based on stuff posted D1, etc by iguana and that I wanted to lynch you today
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I've been thinking about the list a lot... I'm still not quite sure what to make of it... my best explanation for it is either.
Obviously they didn't go for the expected "here are three townie people, bon appétit !", otherwise RR wouldn't be there, which leaves me with:
a) Mafia WIFOMing the WWs with RR... works regardless of his alignment really, though it does assume iguana is town. I think WWs and Mafia are going to be working together for a while, so I didn't expect RR to be killed at all... and I think he's on the list mostly for our benefit actually, possibly to frame him ? But it might also be for people to make this exact argument... essentially too much WIFOM for me to handle at this point.
b) Mafia targeting the WWs to limit their choice. Like, maybe those three were the ones they suspected to be WWs and they named them to limit the WWs choices. I need to check if anyone had those exact reads actually, but it feels everyone townread iguana... still, I think it's easier than usual for scum to be universally townread in this setup.
Actually, they might have just gone for people whose reads they feared in general, because they want those to die regardless of their alignmnent ? That's probably worth investigating.
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Depends what you think optimal play is there.
I mean, two WWs and 1 VT is the best possible scenario, right? Like, if mafia is doing this, tonight's list includes RR, Igu, someone else. Then they see who dies again. Eventually something happens.
But that's unlikely, so then 3 VTs is better, as there's no risk. At that point, put the towny players in there. You can even force WWs to kill who you want if you put the towniest player and two easy mislynches.
As for the actual list posted...there is clear agreement on igu and TWM being towny given everyone's reaction, so that's seemingly the point of the list.
I feel like lynching outside the list is what mafia least likely wants. They're probably outside the list. The WWs are harder to find.
TLDR: I think we're more likely to lynch mafia if we go outside the list.
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TWM :
I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
He then adds Eevee and does vote exclusively within that lynch pool, though this is worth noting.
Also it is notable that I do not have a read on 2.7 at all. That is unusual for me.
If I'm scum!e reading this, I am very, very worried, and really want to NK TWM, because killing people right before they suspect you is what scum wants.
Iguana :
Roadrunner and I will be scum together. Later someone can cite this post for their case if they want.
modited for visibility
Hah.
I feel like the lynches I want are probably not happening... Faust, e, maybe TWM or Ash. I don't like RR or Jake, don't want to vote there today anymore. Robz is okay I guess but I somehow don't believe it will go through.
He then did vote for TWM, faust, then RR.
I'm at:
Won't lynch: Iguana, 2.7, Teproc, Jake maybe
Meh: Eevee, Gkrieg, Joseph, J Reggie, Robz
Will lynch: Roadrunner, Faust, Ash, TWM
I'm sure there's a town or two in my will lynch list and gauranteed to be at least one scum in my meh list, so, you know, blarrgh.
The, he votes Robz, then faust.
RR :
band members:
1. iguana-pretty towny right now I guess.
3. 2.71828...-He's being odd. For 2.7, odd equals scummy. Would happily lynch him.
4. The_Wine_Merchant-He's been actually a little scummy to me, but it's TWM so I'll let it slide for now. Oh wait he defended me which was cool if him.
5. Joseph2302-Oddly towny. Which is scummy from Joseph.
6. Robz888-Huh. Weird. Different. Would lynch I guess.
7. Eevee-Pretty null. Would lynch I guess.
8. gkrieg13-Pretty null here too.
9. Teproc-Probably town cause he coached me.
10. J Reggie-See Joseph.
11. JaketheBaseballGod22-He's scummy, but he thinks I'm town, which is off putting. It's not really an alignment tell, it's just a different side of Jake.
12. faust-See my vote.
13. ashersky is in the game.
Voted e, Jake, faust, Robz
Which gives us Robz as the common denominator... but the more I think about this setup, the townier I think Robz is in general, so meh.
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Forgot this at the start of the above:
Looking at the end of the day, those three - meaning iguana, RR and TWM - were the last three to vote faust, though TWM's vote was post-hammer. Don't know if that's worth reading into.
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Meh, overall. As I said, I think the whole NK thing will be more revealing later in the game.
I guess I'm still on vote: e. Not so much for the stuff above, but because he feels like he's trying hard, and town!e never feels like that.
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I agree with most of what has been said before about the list.
II and TWM looked towny D1, so the thing to work out is RR. I'm leaning slightly towards 3 town. Scum putting one of themselves in the list is a bit risky, in case it goes wrong and they get killed.
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Hmm. Kind of surprised of the choices. As others have alluded to, Iguana and TWM were somewhat universally read as town, and my personal feeling of RR also being town makes it seem to me like mafia purposefully picked towny players for their list. Wouldn't mafia want to put their two WW-reads on the list? If they could keep the same guy on the list for multiple nights and they wouldn't die, I think it's a safe bet town would start to consider lynching them.
I think it's unlikely mafia put themselves on the list. FOS anyone not named!
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Meh, overall. As I said, I think the whole NK thing will be more revealing later in the game.
I guess I'm still on vote: e. Not so much for the stuff above, but because he feels like he's trying hard, and town!e never feels like that.
I don't know where you get that idea from
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Meh, overall. As I said, I think the whole NK thing will be more revealing later in the game.
I guess I'm still on vote: e. Not so much for the stuff above, but because he feels like he's trying hard, and town!e never feels like that.
I don't know where you get that idea from
From your posts. I know, it's not something you can respond to, and I don't expect you to.
I agree with most of what has been said before about the list.
II and TWM looked towny D1, so the thing to work out is RR. I'm leaning slightly towards 3 town. Scum putting one of themselves in the list is a bit risky, in case it goes wrong and they get killed.
Um, ok ? So you think everything's been said but that won't stop you from saying it again I guess ? Who should we lynch ?
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vote: eevee
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Meh, overall. As I said, I think the whole NK thing will be more revealing later in the game.
I guess I'm still on vote: e. Not so much for the stuff above, but because he feels like he's trying hard, and town!e never feels like that.
I don't know where you get that idea from
From your posts. I know, it's not something you can respond to, and I don't expect you to.
Ok. Yeah, there is nothing rally I can say to that. So basically I am tryhard!scum, right? I think there is plenty of historical data to the opposite going back to my first games like toy story. Recently my activity level has been lower, but I would argue is an accessibility thing more than anything. I also play 99% from mobile, so maybe I feel different to you because of that. (My end of day yesterday was from a computer, not going to hyperlink that much from mobile - too hard)
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I'm conflicted between voting for e or voting for J Reggie.
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
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It's got to be a big scumtell for ash not to receive any suspicion day 1, in this setup no less.
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I'm conflicted between voting for e or voting for J Reggie.
As in...we are both scum or one of the two of us is scum?
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
While I think ashersky is definitely not the worst lynch, I think we can do better. I do think this line of thinking is townie for eevee
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
While I think ashersky is definitely not the worst lynch, I think we can do better. I do think this line of thinking is townie for eevee
I agree on the first two points, not so much on the third. Why is townie ? Scum is scumhunting in this game, remember ? Despite it being discussed a lot on D1, I think I forgot to account for it enough, and this is a typical example. WHy would scum!Eevee not make this statement here ?
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
While I think ashersky is definitely not the worst lynch, I think we can do better. I do think this line of thinking is townie for eevee
Ditto this. This is a very abnormal ash game. And that makes me feel he's scummy.
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
While I think ashersky is definitely not the worst lynch, I think we can do better. I do think this line of thinking is townie for eevee
I agree on the first two points, not so much on the third. Why is townie ? Scum is scumhunting in this game, remember ? Despite it being discussed a lot on D1, I think I forgot to account for it enough, and this is a typical example. WHy would scum!Eevee not make this statement here ?
I think it is townie from eevee specifically. It feels like spontaneous!eevee which I think is more town than scum. Really there are 2 options for the post
1) eevee is scum (of some sort) looked at the player list and picked someone sort of random to lynch. I don't think scum!eevee votes for ashersky randomly on a whim
2) eevee is town and telling the truth. He genuinely doesn't remember ashersky in this game (which ash hasn't had a huge presence but also hasn't been absent) and feels like town!ash would be more involved, votes ashersky.
I think 2 outta more likely the scenario
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#stolenPagetop
everyone who assumes that e is a buffoon who miscounted post numbers: you are definitely very correct
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Vote count 2.1
J Reggie (1): 2.71828...
Roadrunner7671 (1): Robz888
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
2.71828... (1): Teproc
Eevee (1): gkrieg13
ashersky (1): Eevee
not voting (5): iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, JaketheBaseballGod22, ashersky
with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends tuesday, july 18th at 9pm forum time.
mod notes:
mod quotes:
Oops sorry schadd :'(
25s are for plebs anyway
#stolenPagetop
everyone who assumes that e is a buffoon who miscounted post numbers: you are definitely very correct
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that is a phone vc and you're all not welcome
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What's the word on Jake?
i hear he is some sort of baseball deity
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What's the word on Jake?
Would lynch
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Re: Jake. His end of day yesterday was really loud and protesting, but that is really all that I felt it was. When asked for reasons same explanations there were none to be found.
I am still kind of on the fence if I really think scum!Jake behaves like that. He is totally capable of it, but I am just not sure. So I think someone like j Reggie is a better lynch, but very cautious of Jake
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Lot of people assuming mafia wants to kill werewolves. Is this true right now? If both WWs died, then, um, there's no nightkill at all, right? Mafia can't kill. I don't think mafia want this to happen so quickly.
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I suspect anyone who is already pushing a lynch agenda. Scum already knows who they want to lynch, town has to figure it out. Throwing around claims of people being scum or town wily nilly is scummy.
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I suspect anyone who is already pushing a lynch agenda. Scum already knows who they want to lynch, town has to figure it out. Throwing around claims of people being scum or town wily nilly is scummy.
This makes no sense to me. You are basically saying that town does not know how to take data from D1 and formulate it into reads for D2.
Every scum/town read that I have seen from people so far D2 hasn't been "willy-nilly"
And posting reads and voting is townie, not scummy
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I suspect anyone who is already pushing a lynch agenda. Scum already knows who they want to lynch, town has to figure it out. Throwing around claims of people being scum or town wily nilly is scummy.
Wait, what ? Why should we wait 24 hours or whatever before playing the game ? It's not like something is magically going to happen at one point... and the way you do figure things out is by voting. This is all mafia 101.
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This is all mafia 101.
I hope not. Mafia 101 was a disaster!
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Vote: E
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Re: Jake. His end of day yesterday was really loud and protesting, but that is really all that I felt it was. When asked for reasons same explanations there were none to be found.
I am still kind of on the fence if I really think scum!Jake behaves like that. He is totally capable of it, but I am just not sure. So I think someone like j Reggie is a better lynch, but very cautious of Jake
I don't behave like this at all as scum
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Lot of people assuming mafia wants to kill werewolves. Is this true right now? If both WWs died, then, um, there's no nightkill at all, right? Mafia can't kill. I don't think mafia want this to happen so quickly.
Definitely agree with this.
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I definitely think Iguana and RR are town (Already sorta did but this list confirms).
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Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
Meant to say that I agree with this about ashersky. I also think Teproc is very possibly playing one of those "be as pro town as you can be" scum games.
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I suspect anyone who is already pushing a lynch agenda. Scum already knows who they want to lynch, town has to figure it out. Throwing around claims of people being scum or town wily nilly is scummy.
Wait, what ? Why should we wait 24 hours or whatever before playing the game ? It's not like something is magically going to happen at one point... and the way you do figure things out is by voting. This is all mafia 101.
That's not what I mean. What I mean is that these posts:
yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
I think the exact opposite of E.
I mean, clearly he's wrong. WW's shot TWM, who was very obviously townie. Most townie, in fact. So clearly they want to work with Mafia at least for a while.
Mafia clearly guessed (if you can call it that) right that WWs would shoot the townie.
I actually think this makes RR look like a Mafia who was added to the list with the expectation that very townie TWM or ig would get shot.
Vote: RR
Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
Hmm. Kind of surprised of the choices. As others have alluded to, Iguana and TWM were somewhat universally read as town, and my personal feeling of RR also being town makes it seem to me like mafia purposefully picked towny players for their list. Wouldn't mafia want to put their two WW-reads on the list? If they could keep the same guy on the list for multiple nights and they wouldn't die, I think it's a safe bet town would start to consider lynching them.
I think it's unlikely mafia put themselves on the list. FOS anyone not named!
vote: eevee
Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
feel like they are pushing some sort of agenda, not analyzing the game. They read like they've already solved the game, which is scummy. Contrary to that, some of e's other posts, Joseph's posts, and Teproc's posts are giving a solvy/towny feel.
My perspective was probably influenced by two things. One, I was wrong about two strong scumreads - TWM and Faust. Two, I paid no attention to this game at all during night-phase because I felt 65% confident I'd be dead and it wouldn't matter to analyze the game. Those both make me feel like I need to re-evaluate and I guess I was also putting that on other people.
That being said, I still think scum plays cocky today knowing that nontown factions make up almost 50% of the game. They go out and start trying to steer the conversation. So yeah, Gkrieg, Eevee, and maybe Robz, e and J Reggie look scummy.
I also totally suspect Teproc of faking all this game-solvy-ness but there's no way we lynch him today after mislynching Faust yesterday. I'd say same probably goes for e.
Eevee seems like the best lynch to me right now but I still haven't reread D1.
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I disagree with virtually everything iguanaiguana just said, and with the exception of gkrieg, lean town on most of the people he named, especially Eevee.
But I think ig is town.
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I feel like scum will try to fade into the background at this point. As long as they don't get lynched, it is pretty good for them.
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I feel like scum will try to fade into the background at this point. As long as they don't get lynched, it is pretty good for them.
But fading into the background isn't a great way to avoid lynch...
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I don't think I came in with set opinions - I came in posting about my uncertainty between e and Reggie, and wound up voting for ashersky.
I'm surprised ash is flying under the radar like this. I also feel like Robz is yesyes'ing many things I'm saying, which makes me feel like he is buddying me, if you can believe that.
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My reads with Robz seem to continue aligning, but I'm having this creeping feeling it's because he's always posting them after I post mine.
(this might be paranoia)
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Your paranoia is understandable.
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That's what scumRobz would say!
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Robz has been very self aware this game. More so than usual.
Knee-jerk reaction is to yell out scum, but I am not so sure.
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Unfortunately this is what town ii looks like. I still disagree with pretty much that whole post.
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Unfortunately this is what town ii looks like. I still disagree with pretty much that whole post.
Which parts do you agree with?
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We need larger wagons
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My guesses...
1. iguanaiguana -- TOWN
2. Roadrunner7671 -- SCUM
3. 2.71828... -- TOWN
4. The_Wine_Merchant
5. Joseph2302 -- SCUM
6. Robz888 -- TOWN
7. Eevee -- TOWN
8. gkrieg13 -- SCUM
9. Teproc -- SCUM
10. J Reggie -- TOWN
11. JaketheBaseballGod22 -- TOWN
12. faust
13. ashersky -- SCUM
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Joseph is town.
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Joseph is town.
Maybe. That's the call I'm least sure about.
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Maybe switch Joseph and Eevee
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Maybe switch Joseph and Eevee
I reeeeeeally think Eevee is town. More inclined to switch Joseph and J Reggie, or POSSIBLY 2.7.
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I'm also town. Why the scum read on me?
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I'm also town. Why the scum read on me?
Mostly a gut read thing.
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But you do seem much less leaderly than you do when you are town.
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I feel like scum will try to fade into the background at this point. As long as they don't get lynched, it is pretty good for them.
I feel as if you are describing yourself here a little
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I feel like scum will try to fade into the background at this point. As long as they don't get lynched, it is pretty good for them.
I feel as if you are describing yourself here a little
Well I'm VLA and only on phone for the most part this week, so i guess that is true. I'm also not leadery because of that. I'm pretty sure I was more on D1
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I feel like scum will try to fade into the background at this point. As long as they don't get lynched, it is pretty good for them.
I feel as if you are describing yourself here a little
Well I'm VLA and only on phone for the most part this week, so i guess that is true. I'm also not leadery because of that. I'm pretty sure I was more on D1
Oh, yeah. Carry on then. I had forgotten in the moment
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Joseph is town.
Correct
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I like a Vote: ash.
town!ash is always more engaged in the game. The lack of posting and lack of crazy game theory like usual seems somewhat scummy.
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ash is not super engaged, but I'm not sure it's suspicious anymore. It's just weird... ash is more engaged in all alignments, especially in a setup like this where he'd have all sorts of ideas about what to do as scum, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
I'm leaning town at this point though, I don't see scum!ash being disinsterested here.
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The more I think about it, the less sense it makes for me to scum to include scum!RR in their list. Too dangerous to play WIFOM like that I think. He could be a WW I suppose, but I think he'd have put more effort in if that was the case.
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The more I think about it, the less sense it makes for me to scum to include scum!RR in their list. Too dangerous to play WIFOM like that I think. He could be a WW I suppose, but I think he'd have put more effort in if that was the case.
Depends how risk-seeking the scum are.
They chose ii and TWM, both of whom seemed towny.
RR is a WIFOM on is he scum, or did scum think he was town or WW? I'm kind of null on it right now.
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I think ashersky's lower than usual activity in this game means he is town.
I like what robz did, even if I agree with a few of his reads.
My thoughts (in no particular order):
Town:
e
Iguana
Ashersky
Robz
RR
Eevee
Scum:
Jake
J Reggie
Teproc
Gkrieg
Joseph
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I am willing to work with people to lynch really anyone on my scum list, but don't really want to lynch on my town list.
Order of Preference:
J Reggie
Joseph
Gkrieg
Teproc
Jake
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My perspective was probably influenced by two things. One, I was wrong about two strong scumreads - TWM and Faust. Two, I paid no attention to this game at all during night-phase because I felt 65% confident I'd be dead and it wouldn't matter to analyze the game. Those both make me feel like I need to re-evaluate and I guess I was also putting that on other people.
Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
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Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
Why ? I mean why is Joseph scum ? After Smallville, I just have no idea with him... I guess he's more in the background this game ?
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Wow I've been lurking hardcore. But Jake has been weirdly absent too, and I think he'd have stiff to say
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Wow I've been lurking hardcore. But Jake has been weirdly absent too, and I think he'd have stiff to say
You should get back into the game by rereading j Reggie. Then vote for him. It won't take long.
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Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
Why ? I mean why is Joseph scum ? After Smallville, I just have no idea with him... I guess he's more in the background this game ?
Not necessarily in the background. I am not a fan of his voting history D1, but there is a lot of PoE related to placing him as scum
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Like, listing you (teproc) as scum is totally a PoE thing for me
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I just have fairly high confidence in my town reads for now. Really my town/scum list can be seen as my D2 lynch pool list. Who is in, who is out
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Also. I win
thunder only happens when it's raining/players only pagetop when they're playing
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It is very curious to me that no one has really jumped on to the j Reggie bandwagon with me.
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It is very curious to me that no one has really jumped on to the j Reggie bandwagon with me.
I don't remember why I thought he was scum D1, I need to reread.
Looking at your townreads, I certainly agree re: iguana, Robz and RR... maybe ash too, but Eevee ? His NK speculation sounded really off to me (not in its conclusions, in its approach).
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Vote: gkrieg
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I can't remember a previous time that I've gotten so much shit for asking people to think about the game.
Let's talk about Jake. Faust was wagoned twice on D1. First, to L-2, where Jake was on it, and tunneled Faust.
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
So far i like exactly none of fausts post especially not this one. Vote: faust
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
Then later, when we build the second wagon that leads to Faust's lynch, Jake unvotes as the wagon builds up and protests it.
Unvote
Why did Jake just unvote after two people joined the wagon he was on?
Because faust was scummy early but he looks much less scummy now.
Intent to hammer
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jake, say your piece.
e is a much better lynch faust. e was on L-2 before e voted faust and then Eevee, gkrieg all voted faust for no reason. Were not pressed up against the deadline for at least another 45 minutes.
Is this flip towny or scummy? If we figure this out, one step closer to solving the game.
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I really should look back at who pushed the faust wagon, because it was bad and terrible and wrong.
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I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
Here's another point in the game to consider. Roadrunner was at L-1, with two of the first three votes on him being from now confirmed town. Town started this wagon, so if the wagon is on town, there's a high likelihood that scum has hopped on. Even if RR is on scum, the other scum faction maybe hops on here.
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Actually, even better, TWM summarizes all the early D1 wagons here:
First thing to look at is probably wagons:
Wagons at their peak:
iguana: (5) 2.7, TWM, RR, gkrieg, Joseph
Jake: (4) iguana, TWM, Eevee, gkrieg
faust: (5) Teproc, Jake, iguana, RR, JReggie
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
First thing I am noticing is that me and gkrieg like wagons apparently. Robz has completely avoided all the wagons. Is he the only one? I think so. No idea if that means anything, but it makes me want to vote for him, nonetheless
Other than that, I feel like this game hasn't been that weird. There have been wagons. But I don't know if they have been unusual or anything.
vote: Eevee
Other things to notice: e is early on two of those wagons; Gkrieg is late on three of them; RR is late on two of them (one's on him); Joseph's late on two of them. Probably also the votes on me shouldn't be considered as seriously as the others.
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
This is scummy. "Make sure you give me credit for a mislynch" reads very much like scum trying to provide a fair and unbiased account of themselves in order to get town cred
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
This is scummy. "Make sure you give me credit for a mislynch" reads very much like scum trying to provide a fair and unbiased account of themselves in order to get town cred
I've certainly done this as scum, I don't know that many people do. Maybe gkrieg is the type though, he's a very strong town player I gather ?
I think I'll just have to do a full reread, I just didn't take the peculiarities of this setup into account enough on D1.
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Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.
Ash, what was this townslip?
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
I am just working through D1 one piece at a time looking for useful info.
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Sorry, traveling, less access than expected.
On the one q pointed my way, it was this. I don't think scum thinks there are plenty of town to read that way because the focus is on lots of scum. And they don't want to town read the opposing faction. To me, not a easily formed scum fake post.
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
This is scummy. "Make sure you give me credit for a mislynch" reads very much like scum trying to provide a fair and unbiased account of themselves in order to get town cred
I've certainly done this as scum, I don't know that many people do. Maybe gkrieg is the type though, he's a very strong town player I gather ?
I think I'll just have to do a full reread, I just didn't take the peculiarities of this setup into account enough on D1.
I'm just saying that it puts certain people in a better light and some in a worse light, which means it isn't the best method.
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I reread the first 500 posts. I'm done. I have thoughts but I'll share them later when I reread the other half.
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
This is scummy. "Make sure you give me credit for a mislynch" reads very much like scum trying to provide a fair and unbiased account of themselves in order to get town cred
I've certainly done this as scum, I don't know that many people do. Maybe gkrieg is the type though, he's a very strong town player I gather ?
Yes, indeed. I think it's something he would do as scum, feel compelled to do, even.
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Vote: gkrieg
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But that also doesn't show the faust wagon at lynch, which I was on.
This is scummy. "Make sure you give me credit for a mislynch" reads very much like scum trying to provide a fair and unbiased account of themselves in order to get town cred
I've certainly done this as scum, I don't know that many people do. Maybe gkrieg is the type though, he's a very strong town player I gather ?
Yes, indeed. I think it's something he would do as scum, feel compelled to do, even.
Why would I do that? This statement has 0 proof.
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I reread the first 500 posts. I'm done. I have thoughts but I'll share them later when I reread the other half.
When do you think this will be done? I am interested in hearing thoughts as they come
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I reread the first 500 posts. I'm done. I have thoughts but I'll share them later when I reread the other half.
When do you think this will be done? I am interested in hearing thoughts as they come
24 hours
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Interesting conversation between Gkrieg and TWM at 553-563. Starts here:
I have unilaterally decided i am only voting for faust, Robz or jake today.
Why not RR?
But good choices.
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Also an interesting vote count here: The two flipped town sit on Robz, and a wagon with some major question marks (and me!) starts to form on Gkrieg.
Vote count 1.5
faust (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
Roadrunner7671 (2): 2.71828..., gkrieg13
Robz888 (2): faust, The_Wine_Merchant
gkrieg13 (4): Joseph2302, J Reggie, iguanaiguana, Robz888
JaketheBaseballGod22 (3): Teproc, Roadrunner7671, ashersky
not voting (1): Eevee
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Yesterday, Robz said this:
Not true, I'm caught up and paying attention. I want to see what mafia does with the list thing, so I'm eager for a hammer.
Today, these are his only comments on the list.
Lot of people assuming mafia wants to kill werewolves. Is this true right now? If both WWs died, then, um, there's no nightkill at all, right? Mafia can't kill. I don't think mafia want this to happen so quickly.
Pretty generic. Hm.
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Only got home now, too tired to read up before bed. I'll catch up when I get up.
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I think the exact opposite of E.
I mean, clearly he's wrong. WW's shot TWM, who was very obviously townie. Most townie, in fact. So clearly they want to work with Mafia at least for a while.
Mafia clearly guessed (if you can call it that) right that WWs would shoot the townie.
I actually think this makes RR look like a Mafia who was added to the list with the expectation that very townie TWM or ig would get shot.
Vote: RR
@iguana
Robz also said this, which is clearly related to what mafia did with the list. Not sure what you are trying to prove there with those selective quotes. It looks more like conformation bias hunting than scum hunting
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Confirmation*
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Thank you, E.
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I think the exact opposite of E.
I mean, clearly he's wrong. WW's shot TWM, who was very obviously townie. Most townie, in fact. So clearly they want to work with Mafia at least for a while.
Mafia clearly guessed (if you can call it that) right that WWs would shoot the townie.
I actually think this makes RR look like a Mafia who was added to the list with the expectation that very townie TWM or ig would get shot.
Vote: RR
@iguana
Robz also said this, which is clearly related to what mafia did with the list. Not sure what you are trying to prove there with those selective quotes. It looks more like conformation bias hunting than scum hunting
Yeah, I missed that. I was looking for something like that but didn't see it. Def not confirmation bias. Just trying to open discussion and get reactions.
Thanks for another insult on my play though. Not appreciated.
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At the time I posted my "eager for flip, wanna see the list in action" post, I have convinced myself that it might be in mafia's best interests to not submit a list at all.
Later I realized this was stupid.
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I had* convinced myself.
And was particularly eager to see if I was right.
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Seems pretty legit
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I like a Vote: ash.
town!ash is always more engaged in the game. The lack of posting and lack of crazy game theory like usual seems somewhat scummy.
Catching up right now
Agree with this.
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#discredittheIC
Not that we have an IC, more like iguana is just universally town read.
And iguana, it's a critique, not an insult. Constructive criticism. It was never my intent to insult you, and I apologize if I have offended you
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I think ashersky's lower than usual activity in this game means he is town.
I like what robz did, even if I agree with a few of his reads.
My thoughts (in no particular order):
Town:
e
Iguana
Ashersky
Robz
RR
Eevee
Scum:
Jake
J Reggie
Teproc
Gkrieg
Joseph
Worst list ever
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Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
Why ? I mean why is Joseph scum ? After Smallville, I just have no idea with him... I guess he's more in the background this game ?
Not necessarily in the background. I am not a fan of his voting history D1, but there is a lot of PoE related to placing him as scum
Stop with the mega early POE
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I think ashersky's lower than usual activity in this game means he is town.
I like what robz did, even if I agree with a few of his reads.
My thoughts (in no particular order):
Town:
e
Iguana
Ashersky
Robz
RR
Eevee
Scum:
Jake
J Reggie
Teproc
Gkrieg
Joseph
Worst list ever
Is it just the worst because it includes you?
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Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
Why ? I mean why is Joseph scum ? After Smallville, I just have no idea with him... I guess he's more in the background this game ?
Not necessarily in the background. I am not a fan of his voting history D1, but there is a lot of PoE related to placing him as scum
Stop with the mega early POE
5/11 scum.
1) not mega early
2) no
this post receives an official +1 from player: Robz888
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I wish I could +1 the above.
hmmmmm
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vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
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vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
Really? Jake strongly opposed what turned out to be a bad lynch
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vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
Really? Jake strongly opposed what turned out to be a bad lynch
Why does that make anyone Town? Strongly opposing a scum lynch isn't even useful info due to multiball.
I just think his play is scummy and not matching his town style.
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Reads:
Town:
Iguana
RR
e
Teproc?
Going back and forth:
e
Robz
Scum:
J Reggie
Joseph
Ashersky
Jake
Gkrieg
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Definitely not too early for PoE!
@Iguana
I think you are playing the best game out of anyone thisfar. Being so universally townread is strong play, regardless of your alignment even, so hats off.
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Can we please lynch Eevee already? He just seems sooooo off.
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Do you have anything concrete you'd like my response to? I feel I'm on!
Hmm. Unrelated: Is convincing your scumreads you are town a fruitful exercise in this setup?
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Do you have anything concrete you'd like my response to? I feel I'm on!
Hmm. Unrelated: Is convincing your scumreads you are town a fruitful exercise in this setup?
Why wouldn't it be?
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vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
Really? Jake strongly opposed what turned out to be a bad lynch
Why does that make anyone Town? Strongly opposing a scum lynch isn't even useful info due to multiball.
I just think his play is scummy and not matching his town style.
I agree with this. I think I'm more likely to oppose the D1 lynch as scum than as town. We all know that town will lynch itself anyway, so it is easier to stay out of it and even oppose it slightly. I think it was UoS that said that you should choose someone to white knight when you are scum, in order to win.
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Can we please lynch Eevee already? He just seems sooooo off.
Why is "off" even scummy (for me)? If you look at my record in the few games I've played lately, I feel early mislynch has been the most common outcome. I was probably "off" in them too, you know?
At the risk of sounding dramatic, I feel the f.ds mafia game may have passed by me. I'm having fun (obviously, that's why I keep on signing up for new games), but I feel I'm just not very good/useful, especially compared to the population. The level of play seems very high these days! Back in the day, at least the way I remember it, we used to have one or multiple complete lurkers and/or really erratic players each game, so what was required to be considered a decent player was much less (these things work in comparison to population).
I do feel that this lower effort style is keeping it fun for me though, and I do like to think that if I ever made it very deep again, I would be putting in more time and concentration to try my hardest. Still, I've kind of settled into this casual, weaker player mold, and I'm fine with it. I just feel I'm suspected for playing like that, a lot.
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Do you have anything concrete you'd like my response to? I feel I'm on!
Hmm. Unrelated: Is convincing your scumreads you are town a fruitful exercise in this setup?
Why is RR town, why is Teproc there with a question mark instead of going back and forth, and how do you feel that RR had a wagon on him that never went to completion?
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Do you have anything concrete you'd like my response to? I feel I'm on!
Hmm. Unrelated: Is convincing your scumreads you are town a fruitful exercise in this setup?
Why wouldn't it be?
Wouldn't scum be even less likely than usual to "change their mind" because here they wouldn't know if the person they are accusing actually is town or not?
Just generally wondering about trying to change the mind of someone who might be not at all receptive to it.
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Do you have anything concrete you'd like my response to? I feel I'm on!
Hmm. Unrelated: Is convincing your scumreads you are town a fruitful exercise in this setup?
Why wouldn't it be?
Wouldn't scum be even less likely than usual to "change their mind" because here they wouldn't know if the person they are accusing actually is town or not?
Just generally wondering about trying to change the mind of someone who might be not at all receptive to it.
I think scum is pretty much the same in multiball with this aspect. Even in closed setups, scum doesn't know exactly the alignment of every player, and they still have to change their mind every once in a while.
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Can we please lynch Eevee already? He just seems sooooo off.
Why is "off" even scummy (for me)? If you look at my record in the few games I've played lately, I feel early mislynch has been the most common outcome. I was probably "off" in them too, you know?
At the risk of sounding dramatic, I feel the f.ds mafia game may have passed by me. I'm having fun (obviously, that's why I keep on signing up for new games), but I feel I'm just not very good/useful, especially compared to the population. The level of play seems very high these days! Back in the day, at least the way I remember it, we used to have one or multiple complete lurkers and/or really erratic players each game, so what was required to be considered a decent player was much less (these things work in comparison to population).
I do feel that this lower effort style is keeping it fun for me though, and I do like to think that if I ever made it very deep again, I would be putting in more time and concentration to try my hardest. Still, I've kind of settled into this casual, weaker player mold, and I'm fine with it. I just feel I'm suspected for playing like that, a lot.
Your play is fine, Eevee! You are telegraphing your towniness, and that helps a lot.
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
I am not good at defending myself. This has been proven time after time in past games and even very recent/ongoing games. The main reasons for RR being scum seem to be that I'm lurky, which isn't a scum tell, and that I made a joke about how I was scum or something. If I didn't do that as both alignments, I'd be pretty terrible at being scum (which I'm not).
If all my townish reads vote for me (Teproc, TWM, Jake and iguana) I will vote for myself, because I believe at that point the majority of the town will want me lynched, and I won't go against the town.
These posts by RR just seem too care-free and relaxed for scum. I think RR is to the point now where for him being "obviously scummy" is a town tell, because as scum he'd be more cautious to not raise suspicions. His attitude now reads to me as "I'm content on being the lynch if it comes to that, I'll just call you guys out after the game for making a mistake." Also, for mafia, naming any of their own to the kill list seems like a risk, so I'm heavily discounting RR (and Iguana) for half of the scum slots. I'm not super good on bayesian probabilities, but that seems like a big deal when we are otherwise working with such little information
The wagon data doesn't seem very useful (to me, anyways). With half the people scum, any subset of two people is 50-50 to contain scum. Scum not knowing who the other scum are, I'm not sure how informative looking at confirmed townies on a wagon is. I could see individual scum teams having both on, both off, or 1-1, and I think the teams would move completely independent to the other team. Might be that I'm just not sharp enough to analyze it, but I feel that data is mostly just noise.
I put Teproc down as town because I feel he's making a lot of sense, but I'm also a little wary because he is being such a leader and thought influencer. It's the town read I'm least certain about, and one I think could have the worst consequences if mistaken.
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If R is werewolf, obviously werewolves don't kill him. If he is mafia or town, werewolves don't know which. Now they choose between killing him or one of TWM/me.
If they choose him, they lose a person who was wagoned twice and who the most recently lynched townie wanted to lynch. Therefore killing Roadrunner reduces the pool of non-werewolf lynches and increases the chance that someone on their team gets lynched on a later day. What they gain is a chance to hit mafia, but definitely no 100% guarantee of it.
If they choose TWM or me, they remove a player who was very unlikely to be lynched from the game. 100% guarantee. All they lose is any chance to hit mafia.
Option 2 is way better there. Even if we assume wolves really want to kill mafia D1, they still don't know if RR is town and they are just being baited. So they shoot the towny player every time.
Which also means it is very safe for mafia to put a scummy looking teammate on their list. In fact, N1 after a town lynch is by far the safest night to make that choice.
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Vote: Roadrunner
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
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Hmm. You convinced me, Iguana!
I'm still not really interested in lynching RR, at least for today, just not sure scum would have thought through all that. But maybe.
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Why was TWM guaranteed not to be mafia? How did the werewolves know that when assessing their options?
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I disagree with that analysis. Let me explain why.
Mechanics:
-Day start
-Mafia have day talk; werewolves do not
-Werewolves have a factional nightkill; mafia do not
-During the day, the mafia submits a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day
-At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list
-If a list that does not contain three living players is submitted, werewolves may kill anyone they want
-If all mafia are dead, werewolves may kill anyone they want
Endgame:
-The mafia or werewolves win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
-If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.
1) mafia are dependant on werewolves for the kill, otherwise they just have to lynch town
2) werewolves are not dependant on mafia for the kill. Once mafia are dead, werewolves can kill anyone.
Given these points, werewolves should be looking to kill scum whenever possible. I disagree that TWM was so hugely and obviously town more than rr or iguana. I think, rather, mafia put forward there 3 biggest town reads. Bottom line. Mafia have absolutely no reason to nominate themselves for the kill. especially N1. And, on N1, they really don't need to try to kill werewolves.
Basically, there is no reason to vote rr based on his inclusion on the list.
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Also just reminded of daychat. It has historically been under-used here at f.ds from what I have seen, but it can be powerful I hear
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Want to point out, and no offense to Eevee, that the whole "f.ds doesn't get my playstyle" thing is more likely from scum. It's a genuine thing they can say that doesn't risk getting caught in a lie and is pretty good at derailing wagons. Definitely fos at Eevee.
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Unfortunately this is what town ii looks like. I still disagree with pretty much that whole post.
Which parts do you agree with?
I guess the part about teproc faking the game-solvy-ness.
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Also just reminded of daychat. It has historically been under-used here at f.ds from what I have seen, but it can be powerful I hear
You're using it well this game then? ;-)
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Why was TWM guaranteed not to be mafia? How did the werewolves know that when assessing their options?
If mafia has a member who greater than 50% of people read as town, then it would be a substantial risk to put them on the list.
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I think, rather, mafia put forward there 3 biggest town reads. Bottom line.
Lol
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Why was TWM guaranteed not to be mafia? How did the werewolves know that when assessing their options?
If mafia has a member who greater than 50% of people read as town, then it would be a substantial risk to put them on the list.
But the reward would be high too!
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
Assuming Gkrieg, Teproc and RR are all scum, how can you do better than getting rid of the lurker who is doing nothing to help us find the other faction?
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I think ashersky's lower than usual activity in this game means he is town.
I like what robz did, even if I agree with a few of his reads.
My thoughts (in no particular order):
Town:
e
Iguana
Ashersky
Robz
RR
Eevee
Scum:
Jake
J Reggie
Teproc
Gkrieg
Joseph
Worst list ever
Is it just the worst because it includes you?
No but because it's like the opposite of my reads.
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I'm not gonna defend myself, it never works. This is still a game with town majority, so hopefully those who have the same win con as me will see sense. If not, you're just shooting yourself in your own foot.
I am not good at defending myself. This has been proven time after time in past games and even very recent/ongoing games. The main reasons for RR being scum seem to be that I'm lurky, which isn't a scum tell, and that I made a joke about how I was scum or something. If I didn't do that as both alignments, I'd be pretty terrible at being scum (which I'm not).
If all my townish reads vote for me (Teproc, TWM, Jake and iguana) I will vote for myself, because I believe at that point the majority of the town will want me lynched, and I won't go against the town.
These posts by RR just seem too care-free and relaxed for scum. I think RR is to the point now where for him being "obviously scummy" is a town tell, because as scum he'd be more cautious to not raise suspicions. His attitude now reads to me as "I'm content on being the lynch if it comes to that, I'll just call you guys out after the game for making a mistake." Also, for mafia, naming any of their own to the kill list seems like a risk, so I'm heavily discounting RR (and Iguana) for half of the scum slots. I'm not super good on bayesian probabilities, but that seems like a big deal when we are otherwise working with such little information
The wagon data doesn't seem very useful (to me, anyways). With half the people scum, any subset of two people is 50-50 to contain scum. Scum not knowing who the other scum are, I'm not sure how informative looking at confirmed townies on a wagon is. I could see individual scum teams having both on, both off, or 1-1, and I think the teams would move completely independent to the other team. Might be that I'm just not sharp enough to analyze it, but I feel that data is mostly just noise.
I put Teproc down as town because I feel he's making a lot of sense, but I'm also a little wary because he is being such a leader and thought influencer. It's the town read I'm least certain about, and one I think could have the worst consequences if mistaken.
Isn't RR's play always carefree and relaxed as either alignment?
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
I don't
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I disagree with that analysis. Let me explain why.
Mechanics:
-Day start
-Mafia have day talk; werewolves do not
-Werewolves have a factional nightkill; mafia do not
-During the day, the mafia submits a list of 3 players, which can change throughout the day
-At the start of night, the list is made public in-thread; if the werewolves choose to nightkill, the target must be one from the list
-If a list that does not contain three living players is submitted, werewolves may kill anyone they want
-If all mafia are dead, werewolves may kill anyone they want
Endgame:
-The mafia or werewolves win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
-If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.
1) mafia are dependant on werewolves for the kill, otherwise they just have to lynch town
2) werewolves are not dependant on mafia for the kill. Once mafia are dead, werewolves can kill anyone.
Given these points, werewolves should be looking to kill scum whenever possible. I disagree that TWM was so hugely and obviously town more than rr or iguana. I think, rather, mafia put forward there 3 biggest town reads. Bottom line. Mafia have absolutely no reason to nominate themselves for the kill. especially N1. And, on N1, they really don't need to try to kill werewolves.
Basically, there is no reason to vote rr based on his inclusion on the list.
Yes Yes Yes
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
I don't
Yh I think RR was a WIFOM add scum move from the scum team.
Vote: RR
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
Assuming Gkrieg, Teproc and RR are all scum, how can you do better than getting rid of the lurker who is doing nothing to help us find the other faction?
Well I think gkrieg and Teproc are more likely to be scum, and also more dangerous.
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
I don't
Yh I think RR was a WIFOM add scum move from the scum team.
Vote: RR
I don't think scum does that move this early. Possible that he is WW but probably not mafia.
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
Assuming Gkrieg, Teproc and RR are all scum, how can you do better than getting rid of the lurker who is doing nothing to help us find the other faction?
Well I think gkrieg and Teproc are more likely to be scum, and also more dangerous.
Why are we more likely to be scum than RR?
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Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
Rereading again. Looking back, this PoE is either really town-indicative or very well faked by scum.
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Okay, my list.
Scums:
Ash
Roadrunner
Gkrieg
Joseph
Yuckwhatses
Teproc
J reggie
Towns:
Jake
Eevee
Robz
2.7
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Why the town reads on Robz and Eevee?
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Why the town reads on Robz and Eevee?
They are correct reads from a townie. The three of us are town. Stop muddying the waters. Time to lynch gkrieg!
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Can we get a vote count?
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It's like 3 on rr and 3 on gkrieg I think
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>2017
>asking for a vote count and not posting to get to a multiple of 50
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Gluh
oh. my. gluh. becky.
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Borp
look at her. borp.
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drove me
like a magnet
to the pagetop, yeah
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This "top of page" vote count policy is, uh, not my favorite thing.
yes i've played mafia with you before
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Does it matter for some reason I don't understand?
it looks nice. you go back and look at pages and vc is right there and you're like "oh okay that's when this page was"
perhaps a pagetops only policy weakens the positive utility but i'm making a bold design choice
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gl
u can glow ur own way
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uh
u can call it uh nuhther lonely day
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Does it matter for some reason I don't understand?
it looks nice. you go back and look at pages and vc is right there and you're like "oh okay that's when this page was"
perhaps a pagetops only policy weakens the positive utility but i'm making a bold design choice
If I'm going back, I'm usually hitting the ALL button anyway, not clicking from one page to the next.
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Why the town reads on Robz and Eevee?
They are correct reads from a townie. The three of us are town. Stop muddying the waters. Time to lynch gkrieg!
vote: Robz
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Don't have much time for this right now, but I don't like lynching RR or Robz, at all.
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i would rather lynch gkrieg than robz.
j reggie and ash seem better than gkrieg still, though.
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This week has been unbelievably busy and tiring for me. I'll try to reread today.
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Man, I don't know who is scum :(
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Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
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Especially trying to get a lynch going on me while I'm VLA and only phone posting.
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Vote count 2.2
J Reggie (1): 2.71828...
gkrieg13 (3): J Reggie, Robz888, 2.71828...
2.71828... (2): Teproc, JaketheBaseballGod22
ashersky (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (2): iguanaiguana, Joseph2302
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): ashersky
Robz888 (1): gkrieg13
not voting (1): Roadrunner7671
with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends tuesday, july 18th at 9pm forum time.
mod notes:
- gkrieg's VLA is over, Eevee is VLA
mod quotes:
there are a lot of them and none of them are especially important
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Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
I'm not voting you, dude, I am voting Roadrunner.
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I have never read an Eevee scum game. Can someone who thinks Eevee is scum based on metal help me out?
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I didn't read smallville, just heard about it. What was up with Joseph in there? Why did superman get lynched?
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Ash, did you ever explain your vote on Joseph?
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
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Ash, did you ever explain your vote on Joseph?
Did I vote for Joseph?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
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Ash, did you ever explain your vote on Joseph?
Did I vote for Joseph?
I meant Jake.
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
I wouldn't call it awesome
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Can you please explain why you think Robz is scum as thoroughly as possible?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Can you please explain why you think Robz is scum as thoroughly as possible?
I might get to it later today, but anyone that ends their statement about someone being scummy has to be scum right?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Can you please explain why you think Robz is scum as thoroughly as possible?
I might get to it later today, but anyone that ends their statement about someone being scummy has to be scum right?
Was that supposed to be ironic?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Can you please explain why you think Robz is scum as thoroughly as possible?
I might get to it later today, but anyone that ends their statement about someone being scummy has to be scum right?
Was that supposed to be ironic?
Yes. Trying to say that it's very scummy to do so.
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It is very feel-out-to-see-if-you-can-get-any-traction-y and not good.
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Ash, did you ever explain your vote on Joseph?
Did I vote for Joseph?
I meant Jake.
Please do
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Can you please explain why you think Robz is scum as thoroughly as possible?
I might get to it later today, but anyone that ends their statement about someone being scummy has to be scum right?
I've been testing the waters on Teproc for a while, because I sort of want other people to join me there, but I don't want to head there if there's no interest.
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
That's what he has done in my scum games with him.
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
Doesn't persuade me. No one is defending him, I guess, but people aren't voting for him in droves either.
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
Doesn't persuade me. No one is defending him, I guess, but people aren't voting for him in droves either.
I agree with what Robz said
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
That's what he has done in my scum games with him.
Well do you agree that it is also what he's been doing all of D2 and at the end of D1 this game?
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
Doesn't persuade me. No one is defending him, I guess, but people aren't voting for him in droves either.
No one is voting for anyone in droves! People are voting for him in exactly one more unit than they are voting for anyone else.
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
Well scum has fallen silent and is just letting you lead things right now for some reason.
Doesn't persuade me. No one is defending him, I guess, but people aren't voting for him in droves either.
No one is voting for anyone in droves! People are voting for him in exactly one more unit than they are voting for anyone else.
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Robz, what do you think of the arguments in this post from Gkrieg?
Well the fact that no one is defending me at all should tell you something about my alignment. Meanwhile, Robz and Eevee are defending RR for dubious reasons.
Well scum has fallen silent and is just letting you lead things right now for some reason.
Doesn't persuade me. No one is defending him, I guess, but people aren't voting for him in droves either.
No one is voting for anyone in droves! People are voting for him in exactly one more unit than they are voting for anyone else.
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Well scum has fallen silent and is just letting you lead things right now for some reason.
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IMO his argument for you being scum is better than your argument for him being scum.
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IMO his argument for you being scum is better than your argument for him being scum.
Can you describe the two cases on Robz and gkrieg as you understand them?
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IMO his argument for you being scum is better than your argument for him being scum.
I'm telegraphing "I'm not scum" as fervently as I can.
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IMO his argument for you being scum is better than your argument for him being scum.
I'm telegraphing "I'm not scum" as fervently as I can.
I don't really think that has anything to do with anything. Scum wants people to think they are town just as much as town does. Also, you always try super hard to look towny in every game I've read that you've played in.
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IMO his argument for you being scum is better than your argument for him being scum.
Can you describe the two cases on Robz and gkrieg as you understand them?
Robz on Gkrieg:
Gut-scum-read, plus Gkrieg is lurking, plus Gkrieg pushed the Faust wagon, plus Gkrieg is trying to make me doubt my stated townreads on Eevee/Robz.
Gkrieg on Robz:
Robz is fishing for lynch-support, plus Robz has townreads without good reasons on Eevee/Roadrunner, plus Robz is buddying me.
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E is treating me like a toddler, so probably still town.
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
That's what he has done in my scum games with him.
I'm confused now. What are you reading me as?
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I don't have a town read on RR. I called him as scum but started doubting myself and I have higher confidence in gkrieg or Teproc being scum.
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
That's what he has done in my scum games with him.
Well do you agree that it is also what he's been doing all of D2 and at the end of D1 this game?
Yeah
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I have seen plenty of scumrunner games where he just shuts down and lurks after he gets suspicion. Can anyone who thinks he is town show me even one time where he does that as town? Even one?
Nope
So he's scum, right?
That's what he has done in my scum games with him.
I'm confused now. What are you reading me as?
Scummy now. D1 you were townier but less so now.
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HEY ROBZ,
yesterday Gkrieg voted Faust midway through the day when only Jake had been voting for him. After that, a few other people joined him and then voted elsewhere when it didn't take off. Gkrieg stayed on Faust. At the end of the day, Gkrieg was the only person who had stayed on Faust throughout the day who also was voting him at the end of the day.
If he was scum, that's pretty good luck. His mislynch vote on Faust ended up mattering even though he might have been tempted to switch it to one of the half dozen other players we wagoned in the second half of D1. Certainly switching to some other mislynch would have looked better for his scum!wincon at the time if he could produce a feasible reason for switching and it looked like Faust wasn't happening.
If Gkrieg's town, however, it just means that he thought Faust was scum and stuck with that even when it looked like it might be irrelevant.
Roadrunner, on the other hand, ONLY voted for Faust when it looked like it might lead to a lynch. He was on the Faust wagon multiple times and only when it looked like it might result in the day ending. Notably at EOD he first posted intent to hammer and then L-1 and I hammered. He didn't provide any reasons for his Faust votes either, whereas Gkrieg did.
So with respect to the one known town person in the game who had an actual wagon on him, Gkrieg looks townier than Roadrunner. To me, that's very obvious.
Put that together with today - where a number of people who have been sniffing the wind for whether a Gkrieg lynch could happen, and a number of other people have been standing up and saying NO WAY could Roadrunner be scum, and in a game with this much scum it just doesn't add up. It would be so easy for mafia to put mafia!Roadrunner on that list and just argue hard for the fact that mafia would never do that, knowing that some town would back them up on it too.
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Okay, my list.
Scums:
Ash
Roadrunner
Gkrieg
Joseph
Yuckwhatses
Teproc
J reggie
Towns:
Jake
Eevee
Robz
2.7
New list:
Scums:
ROADRUNNER
Ash
Teproc
Blurrrrrrghs:
J Reggie
Gkrieg
Robz
Joseph
Towns:
e
Jake
Eevee
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HEY ROBZ,
yesterday Gkrieg voted Faust midway through the day when only Jake had been voting for him. After that, a few other people joined him and then voted elsewhere when it didn't take off. Gkrieg stayed on Faust. At the end of the day, Gkrieg was the only person who had stayed on Faust throughout the day who also was voting him at the end of the day.
If he was scum, that's pretty good luck. His mislynch vote on Faust ended up mattering even though he might have been tempted to switch it to one of the half dozen other players we wagoned in the second half of D1. Certainly switching to some other mislynch would have looked better for his scum!wincon at the time if he could produce a feasible reason for switching and it looked like Faust wasn't happening.
If Gkrieg's town, however, it just means that he thought Faust was scum and stuck with that even when it looked like it might be irrelevant.
Roadrunner, on the other hand, ONLY voted for Faust when it looked like it might lead to a lynch. He was on the Faust wagon multiple times and only when it looked like it might result in the day ending. Notably at EOD he first posted intent to hammer and then L-1 and I hammered. He didn't provide any reasons for his Faust votes either, whereas Gkrieg did.
So with respect to the one known town person in the game who had an actual wagon on him, Gkrieg looks townier than Roadrunner. To me, that's very obvious.
Put that together with today - where a number of people who have been sniffing the wind for whether a Gkrieg lynch could happen, and a number of other people have been standing up and saying NO WAY could Roadrunner be scum, and in a game with this much scum it just doesn't add up. It would be so easy for mafia to put mafia!Roadrunner on that list and just argue hard for the fact that mafia would never do that, knowing that some town would back them up on it too.
Look, I was very much pro-RR lynch yesterday, and anti-faust lynch. I think lynching faust was a terrible decision, and I said so over and over again, before it actually happened, even (you can check). I was going for RR! So I get it, yes, RR is scummy.
I mean... okay, fine, you have a point. I can't really argue with it. I still think gkrieg is scum. But yes I will happily lynch RR.
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Well if Robz and Jake who both claim to support a RR lynch actually vote him, we have 4 votes: L-2. So if anyone is on the fence but doesn't think it's happening, actually it is very possible.
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Well if Robz and Jake who both claim to support a RR lynch actually vote him, we have 4 votes: L-2. So if anyone is on the fence but doesn't think it's happening, actually it is very possible.
I would still happily lynch RR.
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Vote: RR
I'm only into it if it's a quick lynch.
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
Didn't V/LA, but I wasn't around - it's a national holiday right now. Catching up in th coming hour.
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I didn't read smallville, just heard about it. What was up with Joseph in there? Why did superman get lynched?
I dunno really. People thought I was kind of scummy, superman also shot a town player N1 which was moronic with hindsight. And I was super busy IRL and therefore didn't get online to claim.
i forgive u
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We need Jake and Gkrieg to vote and then Ash will auto hammer and then we have a quick lynch. But why do you even want one?
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Why the town reads on Robz and Eevee?
They are correct reads from a townie. The three of us are town. Stop muddying the waters. Time to lynch gkrieg!
You're making a mistake Robz, on Eevee, I'm pretty sure.
Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Vote: Robz
Don't know if you're town, but if you are you need to reconsider.
@iguana: your gkrieg analysis is based on the assumption that scum is chasing mislynches. I don't think they really are.
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I guess that's all that happened ? Feels like a bunch of people are missing; Off to do that big reread now.
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Before I do that: we're not actually in that bad a situation I think. PoE is the name of the game here, that and the fact that scum has to think about lynching each other now. THe priority, for everyone, should first be to identify town. That's much easier to do than identify scum in this setup I'm pretty sure... I guess that's already the direction most people are goin towards, but it's worth repeating.
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It would help me if you identify town yourself.
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Hi everyone!
I don't particularly want RVS right now, so can someone explain to me how this is balanced? I guess when the mafia submits their list, they have to include a mafia on it or else they make POE very easy. The chances of them including a WW is also pretty high, so I guess we can analyze that too. There's more though right?
Has RR faked stuff like this before ? I suppose it could easily be an attempt to get people to reveal what they expect from the scum list.
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Town is Eevee, iguana, probably 2.7, likely Jake, maybe even ash? Ash is actually confusing here.
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I have a plan.
I should be more bold about that.
I have a plan.
I remember why I thought JR was scum now. This feels super forced.
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Tell us your plan!
Gonna go ahead and say RR is not scum with JR.
And yes, I'm goign to spam the thread, deal with it.
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Also, if you don't like the plan, please just humor me. I believe I've caught scum with a similar plan before.
That's pretty bold for such a non-plan though.
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vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
Oh yeah, ash is in this game. Right, I remember now, it's probably townie for him to be this unremarkable in this particular setup ?
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Cool, I interpreted those votes as purposeful, but I guess I was wrong.
Right now, the scums look like: Jake, 2.7, Robz, Faust and I don't know the fifth.
Teproc seems like a town.
Feel like backing these up with reasons?
Not entirely sure why, but this feels scummy to me. Not sure exactly since I haven't played with Jake, but it doesn't seem like his kind of post, but it makes sense from a scum perspective, ie someone who's genuinely very interested in what everyone thinks if it helps them find the other scum. Like, you see this and you're scum, you think "Huh, he's right about me, maybe he's right about those other people too".
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vote: jake
Looks like Eevee agrees.
vote: Jake
And gkrieg.
I actually don't like the iguana post. It's too meta.
Re: the iguana post about the fundamental problems with not wanting to lynch "strong" players or lurkers. Feels like a townie response to me, town inexplicably doesn't like meta quite often.
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I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.
Since some people apparently still think RObz is scum, this is classic town!Robz.
As long as people are actually thinking about it rather just jumping on wagons aimlessly, then it's okay.
JOseph always feels so slimey to me. Do we have someone good at reading him, preferably someone who's townie ? iguana ? I guess we can catch him through PoE.
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vote: RR
L-1 btw
That "L-1 btw" is trying a little too hard to look blasé abot L-1. Scummy.
I'll take the hammer stat.
vote: RR
Really half-hearted attempt at a fakehammer. Starting to think this is scum!ash delibaretly trying to look unconcerned about the game and orchestrating stuff through daychat.
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With daychat, scum is more likely to be in the lurkers.
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gkrieg talked about theory a lot on day 1.
Done with day 1, didn't want to actually clutter the thread into oblivion with quotes... Mostly what I'm getting from this is that JR comes off looking really townie, he's just not scummy in the way that I expect scum to be in this setup, ie I don't get the feeling that he's trying at all to find scum. That's not very pro-town, but I think it's townie. e is actually pretty townie too, I'm not sure why I found him so off on D1. I think that's woh I'm voting for right now ? unvote[/] for now at least.
Still think RR is town, Robz and iguana are obvtown, Eevee I have no idea about but leaning scum because of feelings... mostly I think I just want to lynch gkrieg. I thought he was just absnet on day 1, but he did post a decent amount early on, it was just all completely forgettable and fluffy. Doesn't sound like town!gkrieg facing a 5 out of 11 lynchpool. I could do Jake too, though again I think scum would just be trying harder to scumhunt there. Which is why I really disagree with Robz about Eevee, who seems to be trying slightly harder than his town self.
But right now I'm super tired, so I'll do day 2 tomorrow.
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Ugh, sorry about that.
vote: gkrieg
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This is bad. Normally iguana and I can read each other decently, so defending myself from him is hard. Maybe he's not town?
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Roadrunner is scum. What he just said is exactly what he says as scum when I am tunneling him. After I die - at night - if he is still alive, will someone please quote this post so we can lynch him?
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Vote: RR
It looked very possible that RR was going to get lynched yesterday so it makes sense that scum would put him on the list to try to get him towncred. RR has also looked scummy today.
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gkrieg talked about theory a lot on day 1.
Done with day 1, didn't want to actually clutter the thread into oblivion with quotes... Mostly what I'm getting from this is that JR comes off looking really townie, he's just not scummy in the way that I expect scum to be in this setup, ie I don't get the feeling that he's trying at all to find scum. That's not very pro-town, but I think it's townie. e is actually pretty townie too, I'm not sure why I found him so off on D1. I think that's woh I'm voting for right now ? unvote[/] for now at least.
Still think RR is town, Robz and iguana are obvtown, Eevee I have no idea about but leaning scum because of feelings... mostly I think I just want to lynch gkrieg. I thought he was just absnet on day 1, but he did post a decent amount early on, it was just all completely forgettable and fluffy. Doesn't sound like town!gkrieg facing a 5 out of 11 lynchpool. I could do Jake too, though again I think scum would just be trying harder to scumhunt there. Which is why I really disagree with Robz about Eevee, who seems to be trying slightly harder than his town self.
But right now I'm super tired, so I'll do day 2 tomorrow.
Why does that not sound like town!gkrieg? People have used fluffy as something to get me mislynched often before. And on top of that, I've been VLA and still probably have more quality and quantity than most players here.
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Roadrunner is scum. What he just said is exactly what he says as scum when I am tunneling him. After I die - at night - if he is still alive, will someone please quote this post so we can lynch him?
I think the best part about this is that I'm actually a townrunner who's just playing slightly different.
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Roadrunner is scum. What he just said is exactly what he says as scum when I am tunneling him. After I die - at night - if he is still alive, will someone please quote this post so we can lynch him?
I think the best part about this is that I'm actually a townrunner who's just playing slightly different.
;) ::) 8)
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We could do that thing we did in marvel heroes mafia
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We could do that thing we did in marvel heroes mafia
We already lynched Faust...
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Jake hasn't commented on the fact that he called Faust as town before we lunched him. I feel like town jake, or normal Jake for that matter would gloat. So odd play. I think Jake might be a wolf.
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Weekends. I don't sit at my desk at work and check mafia all day while doing other stuff.
I like teproc's work here, don't want to lynch today. J Reggie, gkrieg, or jake. That's about where I am at for the day
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Town is Eevee, iguana, probably 2.7, likely Jake, maybe even ash? Ash is actually confusing here.
I feel like ash is slipping under the radar.
He's clearly being very odd and not engaging at all with the game.
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I think Gkrieg and Roadrunner are both at L-2 but we have to spam the thread with 25 more posts to find out for sure.
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I've noticed being called disengaged a lot. I think that's right.
Let's just lynch someone. We will probably hit scum.
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I've noticed being called disengaged a lot. I think that's right.
Let's just lynch someone. We will probably hit scum.
I suggest voting Roadrunner.
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JOseph always feels so slimey to me. Do we have someone good at reading him, preferably someone who's townie ? iguana ? I guess we can catch him through PoE.
I'm terrible at reading Joseph. In a recent ish game, I went to the end with Joseph and Andrew, and I hammered Joseph, even though Andrew was increasingly obviously scum, because I was just so annoyed and baffled by Joseph's play.
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I've noticed being called disengaged a lot. I think that's right.
Let's just lynch someone. We will probably hit scum.
There's a ~50% chance of it.
But right now, I kind of want to lynch you.
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I feel like we are still talking ourselves in circles and not really getting anywhere.
I really don't like the case on rr. The point that was brought up about scum!runner kind of shutting down is interesting, but I don't find it convincing. I have already laid out my thoughts on the list.
I agree with what robz (or someone, not checking) said snit scum sitting back and letting town take the lead. Iguana has been in the front with his ideas and such. I have been more active today. Where is scum? Sitting back, commenting here and there, letting town argue with each other.
I think gkrieg's case built up while he was v/la and getting back he hasn't been able to build up a good defense like if he had been around more throughout. I think town!gkrieg gets that defense done.
J Reggie really just hasn't done much of anything. One more point to consider: scum don't want to lynch J Reggie. I spent a decent amount of time trying to build up a case against him, but the only other person in the game to vote for Reggie has been teproc earlier D1. Scum hasn't even been interested in using him as a potential "mislynch" and I think one reason is because he is scum. I think he makes more sense as mafia more then werewolf, so if we are just werewolf hunting (we aren't) then we don't have to lynch him.
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I've noticed being called disengaged a lot. I think that's right.
Let's just lynch someone. We will probably hit scum.
Ash, you should vote gkrieg. That's someone
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I think Gkrieg and Roadrunner are both at L-2 but we have to spam the thread with 25 more posts to find out for sure.
Working on it
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Jake hasn't commented on the fact that he called Faust as town before we lunched him. I feel like town jake, or normal Jake for that matter would gloat. So odd play. I think Jake might be a wolf.
I agree with this
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Jake hasn't commented on the fact that he called Faust as town before we lunched him. I feel like town jake, or normal Jake for that matter would gloat. So odd play. I think Jake might be a wolf.
I agree with this
That's an interesting observation, but does Jake actually gloat all that much? I'm not sure he does.
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In fact, I think Jake just ignores both his mistakes and triumphs and acts like they never happened.
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I feel like we are still talking ourselves in circles and not really getting anywhere.
I really don't like the case on rr. The point that was brought up about scum!runner kind of shutting down is interesting, but I don't find it convincing. I have already laid out my thoughts on the list.
I agree with what robz (or someone, not checking) said snit scum sitting back and letting town take the lead. Iguana has been in the front with his ideas and such. I have been more active today. Where is scum? Sitting back, commenting here and there, letting town argue with each other.
I think gkrieg's case built up while he was v/la and getting back he hasn't been able to build up a good defense like if he had been around more throughout. I think town!gkrieg gets that defense done.
J Reggie really just hasn't done much of anything. One more point to consider: scum don't want to lynch J Reggie. I spent a decent amount of time trying to build up a case against him, but the only other person in the game to vote for Reggie has been teproc earlier D1. Scum hasn't even been interested in using him as a potential "mislynch" and I think one reason is because he is scum. I think he makes more sense as mafia more then werewolf, so if we are just werewolf hunting (we aren't) then we don't have to lynch him.
Wait what is the case on me? I haven't heard anyone put up anything.
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Is Teproc VLA? Because he's been waaaaaaay quieter today. Scum who doesn't have the energy to repeat his awesome Day 1 performance?
Do people really not think this is scummy from Robz?
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Also, vote: RR
L-1
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I've noticed being called disengaged a lot. I think that's right.
Let's just lynch someone. We will probably hit scum.
Who would you want to lynch if your vote counted for 7 votes?
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ROUTINE THREAD MAINTENANCE
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I think gkrieg's case built up while he was v/la and getting back he hasn't been able to build up a good defense like if he had been around more throughout. I think town!gkrieg gets that defense done.
Could you please point me to this? I've been looking, and haven't found anything.
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Vote: gkrieg
I do not enjoy self preservation.
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If you're gonna hammer me, please post your intent to do so before.
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Actually can people give me some time to catch up? I didn't realize how far the deadline is from now.
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Actually can people give me some time to catch up? I didn't realize how far the deadline is from now.
I really think these kinds of delays are often scum attempting to stall and find some way to spin things.
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Actually can people give me some time to catch up? I didn't realize how far the deadline is from now.
I really think these kinds of delays are often scum attempting to stall and find some way to spin things.
Are you serious right now? I was VLA for almost the entire D2. The fact that you want to lynch me without even wanting to know my thoughts on the state of the game is ridiculous!
If I'm scum, you might get something to go off of.
If I'm town, then you might avoid a mislynch, or at least have my reads to look at after I'm dead.
But if you don't even want to hear anything from me, when no real case has been presented on me, and I haven't been around because of posted VLA, then what was the point of me even being in the game? Why not lynch a lurker who has not been VLA, and has contributed less than I have?
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Gkrieg is a crappy lynch.
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E saying that Gkrieg has not defended himself is co.plate hogwash.
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aeiou
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Vote count 2.3
https://youtu.be/zdHh_D_b5xU (https://youtu.be/zdHh_D_b5xU)
do you always trust your first initial feeling?
special knowledge holds true, bears believing
i turned around, and the water was closing
all around, like a glove, like the love
that had finally, finally found me
gkrieg13 (4): J Reggie, 2.71828..., Teproc, Roadrunner7671
ashersky (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (5): iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, Robz888, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): ashersky
not voting (0):
with 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. day 2 ends tuesday, july 18th at 9pm forum time.
mod notes:
- Eevee is VLA
- previous VC fixed to not have e voting JR
mod quotes:
I didn't read smallville, just heard about it. What was up with Joseph in there? Why did superman get lynched?
I dunno really. People thought I was kind of scummy, superman also shot a town player N1 which was moronic with hindsight. And I was super busy IRL and therefore didn't get online to claim.
i forgive u
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Gkrieg is a crappy lynch.
Agreed
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Actually can people give me some time to catch up? I didn't realize how far the deadline is from now.
I really think these kinds of delays are often scum attempting to stall and find some way to spin things.
Really? This seems kind of scummy to me
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vote: rr
Ending the day ftw.
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thread locked
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D2 final vote count
gkrieg13 (4): J Reggie, 2.71828..., Teproc, Roadrunner7671
ashersky (1): Eevee
Roadrunner7671 (6): iguanaiguana, Joseph2302, Robz888, JaketheBaseballGod22, gkrieg13, ashersky
not voting (0):
with 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
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https://youtu.be/argoth_hItg?t=27s (https://youtu.be/argoth_hItg?t=27s)
every time that, sleep don't come
it's the same old pain it used to be
and that's enough for me
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Roadrunner7671 has been lynched. he was love-aligned.
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N2 starts!
https://youtu.be/ubVRwsV1H6o?t=22s (https://youtu.be/ubVRwsV1H6o?t=22s)
sleep easy by my side
into gentle slumber you can hide
i, i'm waiting for the sun to come
i can't sleep, with your warm ways
forever, forever love
together, together love
a songbird brings a list of names:
Robz888
iguanaiguana
Eevee
werewolves have until tuesday, july 18 at 4pm forum time to choose a target
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https://youtu.be/Onbwcek3qvM?t=1m32s (https://youtu.be/Onbwcek3qvM?t=1m32s)
and black moons in those eyes of hers made
more sense to me
heavy persuasion
it was hard to breathe
Robz888 was killed in the night.
thread not unlocked yet hold on
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https://youtu.be/bliNIbFwxHg?t=32s (https://youtu.be/bliNIbFwxHg?t=32s)
everybody's trying to say i'm wrong
i just wanna be back where i belong
world turnin, mmmm
i gotta get my feet back on the ground
world turnin
everybody's got me down
Day 3 Starts!
Vote count 3.0
not voting (9): iguanaiguana, 2.71828..., Joseph2302, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie, JaketheBaseballGod22, ashersky
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 3 ends tuesday, july 25th at 6pm forum time. thread unlocked
mod notes:
- gkrieg13 is VLA starting tomorrow, e is VLA starting later this week
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that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
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that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
Actually, no.
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Actually, maybe. In that case I think I just unfollow the thread and move to the next game.
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that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
What? And how would that happen anyway?
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that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
What? And how would that happen anyway?
If we lynch werewolf twice and town dies at night, mafia wins.
If we lynch werewolf, mafia, werewolf and town dies at night we are down to one town left.
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So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
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that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
What? And how would that happen anyway?
If we lynch werewolf twice and town dies at night, mafia wins.
If we lynch werewolf, mafia, werewolf and town dies at night we are down to one town left.
Oh, I read it as two scum have to die in one night. Which made no sense.
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So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
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I have only ever been killed once. People don't kill players with shut reads regardless of how towny they can make themselves.
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Let's assume mafia will always not list themselves from now on. If we mislynch...
They have 4 players to choose from at night. They list three, then dies because even two WWs listed don't die. We know three mafia in 4 players at that point.
So then, does mafia risk an NK because of that? Even if they don't, and we lynch correctly, they can list the other townie and some scum wins in a weird battle.
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Please explain how town can win in any scenario and I will keep playing.
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I have only ever been killed once. People don't kill players with shut reads regardless of how towny they can make themselves.
Unless your reads are awesome and thus thus is a wifom move.
Or you are a werewolf.
Or you are being setup to look like a werewolf.
I don't think you are mafia, at least.
(Probably means you are mafia.)
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Please explain how town can win in any scenario and I will keep playing.
I'm trying to see a way. Thing is, I feel like "quitting" seems like a fakey town move.
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Yeah that doesn't explain how we win.
My reads are not awesome or I wouldn't have been the driving force behind two town lynches.
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Doesn't lynch mafia today, WW kills mafia tonight do it?
Puts us at basically 5-player lylo. Lynch WW, and then it's a crapshoot for WW. If the remaining one kills mafia, we get 3-player lylo. If they kill Town, kingmaker loss.
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Doesn't lynch mafia today, WW kills mafia tonight do it?
Puts us at basically 5-player lylo. Lynch WW, and then it's a crapshoot for WW. If the remaining one kills mafia, we get 3-player lylo. If they kill Town, kingmaker loss.
Of course, laying this out forces mafia to not list themselves, thereby removing our only hope...
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Actually, just looked at the kingmaker stuff. Do we think WW would no kill?
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According to the setup, if we mislynch OR lynch a werewolf today, the game ends in a mafia win. No night or anything, just game over.
So, we have to lynch mafia. Even if we do, we've established that no mafia dies at night. If WW kills town, tomorrow starts at 1v2v2. Same deal, mislynch or WW lynch means mafia wins, but a mafia lynch means WW wins.
If the WW no kill, tomorrow starts at 2v2v2. Lynch mafia and WW wins with any NK. Lynch WW and mafia wins on any NK, do no kill.
2v2v1. Mislynch or WW lynch means mafia win. Mafia lynch means WW has 1/3 chance to kill mafia and force 2v1 lylo.
That's the only way we can win. Mafia lynch, no kill, WW lynch, no kill, Mafia lynch, mafia kill.
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Someone check my breakdown, but I think that's right.
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Out for the night. If anyone can find a better way, please point it out.
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Alright, if we lynch mafia every day until we would lose:
D3 4T - 3M - 2W
D4 3T - 2M - 2W
D5 2T - 1M - 2W - Here if we lynch mafia, wolves win. So we need to lynch wolves.
D6 1T - 1M - 1W - So if wolves shoot every night, we end up kingmaking on D6. However, since wolves lose ties, wolves may no kill at some point to improve their odds at LyLo. So we may go into D6 with 2T
D6 with one no kill: 2T - 1M - 1W. Here we need to lynch W to get:
D7 - 2T - 1M.
Okay, let's look at lynching wolves first.
D3: 4T - 3M - 2W
D4 3T - 3M - 1W - Let's assume wolves shoot. Here, if we lynch W, we lose, so we need to lynch mafia to get:
D5 2T - 2M - 1W - Same thing. We need to lynch mafia to get
D6 1T - 1M - 1W - Kingmaking. Again, at some point the wolf probably doesn't shoot to improve his odds here. So lynching W first actually looks the same as lynching M first.
For fun, here's what happens if we lynch town again somehow.
D3: 4T - 3M - 2W
D4: 2T - 3M - 2W. Mafia win if they lynch anyone else. So we need to lynch mafia.
D5: 1T - 2M - 2W. Kingmaking, but worse.
Our only hope after a mislynch is that wolves give us 2 no kills because they need our help to lynch mafia.
So here's the short version. We can't make any more mistakes. We also need to kill both wolves and mafia to win. We're also counting on wolves giving us a no kill at some point, which will improve their odds of winning and give us a chance of winning, but stop mafia from having overwhelming odds of winning.
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Worth playing, I guess. At some point I'm going to look at all the damn wagons again.
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That hammer was really bad.
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Eh, the hammer was actually great if ash is mafia.
I think Robz' vote was unfortunate. Feels like he voted RR as a second choice scum (to gkrieg) which never ends well.
But, enough complaining, I will look forward to try to figure out how to win this thing.
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Town: iguana, eevee, e, X
Everyone else, scum
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Mehmehmehhh this is very crappy, I really really should have moved my vote from ashersky who clearly wasn't happening but there wasn't one single moment I stopped following the game and I just didn't realize what I was doing. Just not good play, I would have preferred gkrieg or reggie but that's on me.
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Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
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Well, the people who chose to lynch RR over gkrieg line up with my earlier scum reads, so most/only interested in lynching ash (I guess the hammer isn't as scummy from ash who loves his hammers so much, but still very dubious), gkrieg (least scummy of the votes, just had to for self-preservation), Robz (got his quicklynch I guess, boo!), Jake (I guess again less scummy of a vote because RR and Jake have a thing about lynching each other? Still booo!) or Joseph.
Town points to Teproc for the defending of RR late and voting gkrieg.
I don't like Iguana having voted for RR but people have different reads sometimes, him having been named twice and just generally making so many towny-seeming post that seem so hard to fake, still really think he is town.
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Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
I'm not sure it's so simple, this game is stacked with very strong players. Looking at the list, it's a very experienced group, full of guys I'd consider top tier.
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Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
I'm not sure it's so simple, this game is stacked with very strong players. Looking at the list, it's a very experienced group, full of guys I'd consider top tier.
If you are town, and I am town, then two more people are town, and the rest are scum; it's that simple.
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Yeahh. Eh, pretty demoralizing.
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Yeahh. Eh, pretty demoralizing.
The good news is that we are probably both town, so at least we can not vote each other!
Because if you are scum, Faust and Robz were both wrong about a strong townread on you. That's the best evidence I've got.
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So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
Vote Ashersky
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Sorry for being relatively absent. I doubt I would've made yesterday go much better by coming on earlier but maybe a gkrieg lynch would have done the trick. I'm gonna have to reread D1 to see if I still think he's scum, and also if he's more likely to be mafia.
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So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
Vote Ashersky
There's the OMGUS I called!
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Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
And gkrieg. The two best town players in this game not listed either day?
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Yeahh. Eh, pretty demoralizing.
The good news is that we are probably both town, so at least we can not vote each other!
Because if you are scum, Faust and Robz were both wrong about a strong townread on you. That's the best evidence I've got.
Yeah. Time for a comeback! Who do you think we should lynch?
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I'm pretty certain both ash and iguana's analysis are wrong... so let's try it out. Relevant part of the OP:
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
[...]
Endgame:
-The mafia or werewolves win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
-If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.
I'll assume mafia never lists themselves and WWs always assume this as well because it's simpler to theorycraft, but in any situation which leads to a WW or town win, bear in mind mafia can WIFOM there to make it harder to PoE them.
The situation right now: 4T, 3M, 2W.
1) We lynch town=> 3T, 3M, 2W
1a) The WWs kill town => 2T, 3M, 2W
If we lynch town again => mafia wins.
If we lynch werewolf => mafia wins
If we lynch mafia, and:
- werewolves kill town, it's now 1/2/2. Lynching town mafia wins, lynching mafia WWs win, lynching WW mafia wins
- werewolves no kill, it's now 2/2/2. Lynching town, WWs have to no kill, so it's 1/2/2... I don't know but I'm pretty sure we don't win that one; either mafia wins or WWs win. Lynching mafia, WWs win. Lynching WWs they nokill so it's 2/2/1, lynching WW means mafia wins, lynching mafia means WWs nokill (because mafia wins 1/1/1) and we have to lynch WW THEN mafia, and town wins. Shortcut for later: 2/2/2 has an out, which is: lynch WW, then mafia, then WW, then mafia.
If we noylnch, and:
- werewolves kill town, it's now 1/3/2, mafia wins
- werewolves no-kill, we're back to 1a. Three cycles means town wins, so werewolves get to play kingmakers (killing means, no killing three times makes town win). Mafia + WWs can get a lynch through though, so they can ally somehow, not sure who wins if that happens, but it's not us.
So... 1a essentially means we either need to lynch Mafia/WW/Mafia/WW/Mafia with WWs always no killing (which is not guaranteed) OR try to go for three cycles and hope WWs kingmake in our favor. Pretty dire, but not an outright loss I suppose.
1b) The WWs no kill: 3T/3M/2W
If we lynch town, it's now 2/3/2. WWs have to nokill, so we're back to 1a).
If we lynch mafia, it's now 3/2/2. WWs kill town, we're at 2/2/2, see that part of 1a. WWs can nokill, but in 2/2/2 they win by lynching mafia, so I don't think they do that so let's skip that part, feel free to do it yourself.
If we lynch WW, it's now 3/3/1. Lynching town or WW means mafia wins. Lynching mafia, if WWs kill town we're now at 2/2/1, we need to lynch mafia, WWs no kill then we need to lynch WW then we need to lynch mafia. So 3/3/1 (and ultimately 2/2/1) also have an out of: lynch mafia, then mafia, then WW, then mafia.
If we no lynch WWs have to kill eventually or we win, if they kill town it's 2/3/2. They have to nokill now, we're back to 1a or the WWs as kingmakers scenario, with the potential WW/mafia alliance.
Long story short: we're not quite at mylo. Our fate is not entirely in our hand though, because if we mislynch and WWs kill we need to then lynch mafia, and WWs get to choose between 1/2/2 (where they win by lynching mafia and we never win) and 2/2/2 (where they win by lynching mafia and maybe have a shot if they lynch town, but we still can win by lining up scum lynches in the correct order). If they no kill we then need to lynch WW (so they probably don't do that ?) and now we need to line up the scum lynches in the correct order. I think WWs like the first situation better anyway and will kill. There is also the no lynch option which forces WW to either kingmake or ally with mafia... I don't know what the latter looks like but it can't be good for us, and I certainly don't like letting WWs just decide the fate of the game either, so I don't think that's really a plan... not in 1 anyway.
2) We lynch mafia => 4T, 2M, 2W
I'm not going to entertain nokill because I hardly see why WWs would oblige us in that way there, so let's make that 3T, 2M, 2W.
2a) We lynch town, it's now 2/2/2, with WW able to make it 1/2/2 if they wish, and we lose, or they nokill and it's good ol' 2/2/2 again.
2b) We lynch mafia, it's now 3/1/2, WWs definitely kill so it's 2/1/2. Lynching town means WWs win, Llynching mafia means WWs win, lynching WW puts us at 2/1/1 with WW unable to nokill (or mafia wins, we then need to lynch WW then lynch mafia.
2c) We lynch WW, it's now 3/1/1. WWs definitely kill so it's 2/1/1. We know this one: we need to lynch WW then mafia.
2d) We nolynch. WWs kill, we're at 2/2/2, we know that one. No lynching is thus terrible in 2).
Once again, a mislynch at any point doesn't quite mean we lose, but it does take our fates partially in WWs hands.
3) We lynch WW => 4T/3M/1W
Obviously WWs kill, so 3T/3M/1W
3a) We lynch town. Mafia wins
3b) We lynch mafia. 3/2/1. WWs kill town, 2/2/1. We must lynch mafia, WWs can't kill, we must lynch WW and then lynch mafia.
3c) We lynch WW. It's now 4/3. Lynching town means mafia wins, but every mafia lynch means we can afford a mislynch.
3d) We nolynch. WWs have to nokill... yeah, this is the whole WW kingmakers scenario I really don't like again.
4) We nolynch => 4T, 3M, 2Ws
WWs kill town... I think we can stop there, nolynching is terrible.
Now all of this is subject to mafia never submitting themselves... things can do much better for us if they get killed at night of course, but if they anticipate getting into one of the town wins situation (so, mostly in 2 and 3), they can start not including themselves (they might have done it already but I don't think so).
Essentially, I don't get the doom and gloom. This is slightly better than normal mylo... granted, we have 5 scum to lynch, but we have a really small lynchpool. We can do it... except if people give up. iguana I think is just depressed town, but I don't get how ash gets this so wrong ? I'm not sure which faction benefits the most from apathetic town here, but I sure don't think it's us.
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So now, all we need to do is to PoE.
iguanaiguana => Town
2.71828... => Town, I think ?
Joseph2302 => Null, probably scum of some sort
Eevee => Not mafia. Slightly more likely to be town than WW just because of Robz dying.
gkrieg13 => Scummy, definitely scum of some sort
JR => Town, I think ?
Jake => Scummy, definitely scum of some sort
ashersky => Null to scummy, probably scum of some sort
Essentially we just have to find the 3 other townies. My guess is iguana/e/JR, with Eevee being the most likely to replace whichever one of those three I'm wrong about.
I think lynching anyone else is fine... I'm leaning towards gkrieg/Jake... but I'm going to need to reread this whole thing. Before I do that, can someone think about what gkrieg being the alternate wagon to RR means ? It really depends on who we think scum wanted to lynch yesterday, and I'm not entirely sure what the answer to that is.
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Also, don't forget mafia has daychat. Two non-mafia votes on non-mafia means they can quicklynch. Be careful with your votes.
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And yes, the RR lycnh was terrible (and had the hammer come from anyone else's I'd be screaming for their lynch), but we know at least one town was on it, and probably two... let's just say that if I were you, igu, I'd reconsider my reads, deeply. There's a reason you're still alive despite everyone and their grandmother thinking you're town.
Oh, and re:ash saying gkrieg and me should have been named... I was surprised not to be named on day 1, but gkrieg ? He was never strongly townread in this game, didn't he get wagons on both days ?
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I say terrible but really, it was just like any other RR mislynch. I think it might be informative actually, but I'll need to look at it closer.
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Something else: it may be daunting, but we have a lot at our disposal. This has not been a sleepy game, and combined with
the scum-crowded lynch pool it means we should be able to figure things out, DWII-style. But we have to put in the work. And be ready to reconsider everything.
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I'm pretty certain both ash and iguana's analysis are wrong... so let's try it out. Relevant part of the OP:
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.
[...]
Endgame:
-The mafia or werewolves win if they obtain a full majority of living players, or if they make up half and at least one protown role is still alive.
-If the mafia and werewolves ever make up equal numbers, with no protown roles left alive, then mafia win. Mafia also win if a day phase begins with one mafia, one werewolf, and one protown.
I'll assume mafia never lists themselves and WWs always assume this as well because it's simpler to theorycraft, but in any situation which leads to a WW or town win, bear in mind mafia can WIFOM there to make it harder to PoE them.
The situation right now: 4T, 3M, 2W.
1) We lynch town=> 3T, 3M, 2W
1a) The WWs kill town => 2T, 3M, 2W
If we lynch town again => mafia wins.
If we lynch werewolf => mafia wins
If we lynch mafia, and:
- werewolves kill town, it's now 1/2/2. Lynching town mafia wins, lynching mafia WWs win, lynching WW mafia wins
- werewolves no kill, it's now 2/2/2. Lynching town, WWs have to no kill, so it's 1/2/2... I don't know but I'm pretty sure we don't win that one; either mafia wins or WWs win. Lynching mafia, WWs win. Lynching WWs they nokill so it's 2/2/1, lynching WW means mafia wins, lynching mafia means WWs nokill (because mafia wins 1/1/1) and we have to lynch WW THEN mafia, and town wins. Shortcut for later: 2/2/2 has an out, which is: lynch WW, then mafia, then WW, then mafia.
If we noylnch, and:
- werewolves kill town, it's now 1/3/2, mafia wins
- werewolves no-kill, we're back to 1a. Three cycles means town wins, so werewolves get to play kingmakers (killing means, no killing three times makes town win). Mafia + WWs can get a lynch through though, so they can ally somehow, not sure who wins if that happens, but it's not us.
So... 1a essentially means we either need to lynch Mafia/WW/Mafia/WW/Mafia with WWs always no killing (which is not guaranteed) OR try to go for three cycles and hope WWs kingmake in our favor. Pretty dire, but not an outright loss I suppose.
1b) The WWs no kill: 3T/3M/2W
If we lynch town, it's now 2/3/2. WWs have to nokill, so we're back to 1a).
If we lynch mafia, it's now 3/2/2. WWs kill town, we're at 2/2/2, see that part of 1a. WWs can nokill, but in 2/2/2 they win by lynching mafia, so I don't think they do that so let's skip that part, feel free to do it yourself.
If we lynch WW, it's now 3/3/1. Lynching town or WW means mafia wins. Lynching mafia, if WWs kill town we're now at 2/2/1, we need to lynch mafia, WWs no kill then we need to lynch WW then we need to lynch mafia. So 3/3/1 (and ultimately 2/2/1) also have an out of: lynch mafia, then mafia, then WW, then mafia.
If we no lynch WWs have to kill eventually or we win, if they kill town it's 2/3/2. They have to nokill now, we're back to 1a or the WWs as kingmakers scenario, with the potential WW/mafia alliance.
Long story short: we're not quite at mylo. Our fate is not entirely in our hand though, because if we mislynch and WWs kill we need to then lynch mafia, and WWs get to choose between 1/2/2 (where they win by lynching mafia and we never win) and 2/2/2 (where they win by lynching mafia and maybe have a shot if they lynch town, but we still can win by lining up scum lynches in the correct order). If they no kill we then need to lynch WW (so they probably don't do that ?) and now we need to line up the scum lynches in the correct order. I think WWs like the first situation better anyway and will kill. There is also the no lynch option which forces WW to either kingmake or ally with mafia... I don't know what the latter looks like but it can't be good for us, and I certainly don't like letting WWs just decide the fate of the game either, so I don't think that's really a plan... not in 1 anyway.
2) We lynch mafia => 4T, 2M, 2W
I'm not going to entertain nokill because I hardly see why WWs would oblige us in that way there, so let's make that 3T, 2M, 2W.
2a) We lynch town, it's now 2/2/2, with WW able to make it 1/2/2 if they wish, and we lose, or they nokill and it's good ol' 2/2/2 again.
2b) We lynch mafia, it's now 3/1/2, WWs definitely kill so it's 2/1/2. Lynching town means WWs win, Llynching mafia means WWs win, lynching WW puts us at 2/1/1 with WW unable to nokill (or mafia wins, we then need to lynch WW then lynch mafia.
2c) We lynch WW, it's now 3/1/1. WWs definitely kill so it's 2/1/1. We know this one: we need to lynch WW then mafia.
2d) We nolynch. WWs kill, we're at 2/2/2, we know that one. No lynching is thus terrible in 2).
Once again, a mislynch at any point doesn't quite mean we lose, but it does take our fates partially in WWs hands.
3) We lynch WW => 4T/3M/1W
Obviously WWs kill, so 3T/3M/1W
3a) We lynch town. Mafia wins
3b) We lynch mafia. 3/2/1. WWs kill town, 2/2/1. We must lynch mafia, WWs can't kill, we must lynch WW and then lynch mafia.
3c) We lynch WW. It's now 4/3. Lynching town means mafia wins, but every mafia lynch means we can afford a mislynch.
3d) We nolynch. WWs have to nokill... yeah, this is the whole WW kingmakers scenario I really don't like again.
4) We nolynch => 4T, 3M, 2Ws
WWs kill town... I think we can stop there, nolynching is terrible.
Now all of this is subject to mafia never submitting themselves... things can do much better for us if they get killed at night of course, but if they anticipate getting into one of the town wins situation (so, mostly in 2 and 3), they can start not including themselves (they might have done it already but I don't think so).
Essentially, I don't get the doom and gloom. This is slightly better than normal mylo... granted, we have 5 scum to lynch, but we have a really small lynchpool. We can do it... except if people give up. iguana I think is just depressed town, but I don't get how ash gets this so wrong ? I'm not sure which faction benefits the most from apathetic town here, but I sure don't think it's us.
This seems right, but also overly complicated and not user friendly.
4T v 3M v 2W
1. Mislynch. Day 4 starts with 2T v 3M v 2W.
1a. Mislynch, 3M wins.
1b. Lynch WW, 3M wins.
1c. Lynch Mafia.. Day 5 starts with 1T v 2M v 2W. Either M or W wins.
I removed the no kill option from consideration, as you'd need WW to think they have a better chance of lynching Mafia out of 5 alive instead of 6. Not sure I see it.
So basically, a mislynch today leads to a scum win basically 99.9% of the time.
2. Lynch Mafia. Day 4 starts with 3T v 2M v 2W.
2a. Mislynch. Day 5 is 1T v 2M v 2W.
Scum wins no matter what.
2b. Lynch WW. Day 5 is 2T v 2M v 1W.
Mislynch or WW lynch is a M win. Mafia lynch + No Kill means Day 6 is 2T v 1M v 1W. Mislynch or WW lynch is an M win, M lynch is a WW win, W lynch is normal lylo on Day 7.
2c. Lynch Mafia. Day 5 is 2T v 1M v 2W.
Mislynch or Mafia lynch means WW wins. WW lynch + no kill Day 6 is 2T v 1M v 1W. Mislynch or WW lynch is an M win, M lynch is a WW win, W lynch is normal lylo on Day 7.
2b. Mafia, WW, Mafia, WW, Mafia is a town win (defeating final Mafia in LYLO).
2c. Mafia, Mafia, WW, WW is a town win (defeating final WW in LYLO).
3. Lynch WW.. Day 4 starts with 3T v 3M v 1W.
3a. Mislynch. M wins.
3b. WW lynch. M wins.
3c. Mafia lynch. Day 5 starts with 2T v 2M v 1W. See 2b.
3c. WW, Mafia, Mafia, WW, Mafia is a town win (deafeating final Mafia in LYLO).
I think that is clearer. Today we have zero out with a mislynch, two outs with a mafia lynch, and one out with a WW lynch.
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Trimmed for ease of reading. Bolded our outs to win.
Now: 4T v 3M v 2W
1. Mislynch. Day 4 starts with 2T v 3M v 2W.
1a. Mislynch, 3M wins.
1b. Lynch WW, 3M wins.
1c. Lynch Mafia. Day 5 starts with 1T v 2M v 2W. Either M or W wins.
So basically, a mislynch today leads to a scum win basically 99.9% of the time.
2. Lynch Mafia. Day 4 starts with 3T v 2M v 2W.
2a. Mislynch. Day 5 is 1T v 2M v 2W.
Scum wins no matter what.
2b. Lynch WW. Day 5 is 2T v 2M v 1W.
Mislynch or WW lynch is a M win. Mafia lynch + No Kill means Day 6 is 2T v 1M v 1W. Mislynch or WW lynch is an M win, M lynch is a WW win, W lynch is normal lylo on Day 7.
2c. Lynch Mafia. Day 5 is 2T v 1M v 2W.
Mislynch or Mafia lynch means WW wins. WW lynch + no kill Day 6 is 2T v 1M v 1W. Mislynch or WW lynch is an M win, M lynch is a WW win, W lynch is normal lylo on Day 7.
2b. Mafia, WW, Mafia, WW, Mafia is a town win (defeating final Mafia in LYLO).
2c. Mafia, Mafia, WW, WW is a town win (defeating final WW in LYLO).
3. Lynch WW.. Day 4 starts with 3T v 3M v 1W.
3a. Mislynch. M wins.
3b. WW lynch. M wins.
3c. Mafia lynch. Day 5 starts with 2T v 2M v 1W. See 2b.
3c. WW, Mafia, Mafia, WW, Mafia is a town win (deafeating final Mafia in LYLO).
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Ok, so not quite as dire as I envisioned, but still not good. I will probably write out the numbers for myself in yet another one of these posts because I learn from doing the exercise more than reading it.
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Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
And gkrieg. The two best town players in this game not listed either day?
Clearly my reads have not been the best this game.
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Mafia:
Ashersky
J Reggie
Werewolf:
Gkrieg
Jake
Town:
e
Eevee
Iguana
Which leaves me a spot in town and a spot in mafia for teproc/Joseph. Haven't decided which is which. We will see how terrible my reads are after the game
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I don't think it makes any sense for j Reggie to be a werewolf, and I think werewolf!ashersky or town!ashersky would not have been caught off guard by the "town loses" statement I made starting the day. I think un-worried mafia!ashersky fits this description more.
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I do think gkrieg is scum, but I am scared to lynch him because I don't know how confident I am that he is mafia. I think our best chances of hitting actual mafia fall with j Reggie and ashersky.
Vote: J Reggie
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I do think gkrieg is scum, but I am scared to lynch him because I don't know how confident I am that he is mafia. I think our best chances of hitting actual mafia fall with j Reggie and ashersky.
Vote: J Reggie
I am most confident about Ash being mafia. I don't think he's werewolf either.
Question: Isn't it better to go for a wolf first? I think a lone wolf is a lot less likely to shoot because they will need help from town to lynch the remaining THREE mafia in order to win.
Town needs to lynch 5 scum in a row or have a couple no-kills to win. So lynching someone we think is a wolf seems pretty good to encourage them not to kill us.
If this is stupid reasoning, can someone please explain why to me like I'm a third grader, you know, just to keep the theme going.
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What I am saying to the werewolves is, please let us lynch one of you, so that we can work with you for a while to lynch all the mafia, so that we can lynch you in the end. Thanks.
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So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
Vote Ashersky
There's the OMGUS I called!
That's for that stupid hammer
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I do think gkrieg is scum, but I am scared to lynch him because I don't know how confident I am that he is mafia. I think our best chances of hitting actual mafia fall with j Reggie and ashersky.
Vote: J Reggie
I am most confident about Ash being mafia. I don't think he's werewolf either.
Question: Isn't it better to go for a wolf first? I think a lone wolf is a lot less likely to shoot because they will need help from town to lynch the remaining THREE mafia in order to win.
Town needs to lynch 5 scum in a row or have a couple no-kills to win. So lynching someone we think is a wolf seems pretty good to encourage them not to kill us.
If this is stupid reasoning, can someone please explain why to me like I'm a third grader, you know, just to keep the theme going.
I agree
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So my thoughts right now are:
We're in a pretty shit position overall, as most of the scenarios from here don't lead to a town win.
Why on earth did unengaged ash suddenly decide to hammer RR? Seems kind of odd. And if he were town, he should've known a town mislynch was so bad there.
So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
Vote Ashersky
There's the OMGUS I called!
That's for that stupid hammer
The hammer was stupid, but be careful with your voting.
Scum have daychat, and they could easily hammer a town. Which would end this game for us.
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
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Fairly certain from a wanting to win the game standpoint, lynching mafia first is the best way to go.
It gives us two outs, versus one.
In a strange twist of fate, one WW could claim and work with town to get to final LYLO with 1 WW and 2 town alive. (The one that claims would be the default required WW lynch.)
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In a strange twist of fate, one WW could claim and work with town to get to final LYLO with 1 WW and 2 town alive. (The one that claims would be the default required WW lynch.)
About to look at everything for myself but I think absolutely this. At least, werewolf should claim at L-1. We don't want to lynch a werewolf today I am fairly certain.
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Just a reminder that I have another VLA starting. You should probably just lynch anyone that tries to lynch me.
Also both lynches yesterday were on town, so the hammer doesn't really mean much.
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So I think I stopped my last reread at #250, so I'm starting from there.
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RR, you can do better than this.
For that matter, the same applies to Robz.
Interesting post from Teproc, knowing the flips now.
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
How do you still feel about Jake and e?
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Unvote I'm not sure rewarding practically doing nothing is giving the right incentives, but when I asked for clarification from Jake for his vote, what he said was just what I thought town would say (while scum I think would have tried to justify it more).
I'll take the hammer stat.
vote: RR
Interesting no one has commented on this. Ash, you knew it was not a real hammer, right?
I think I like it it as a play, but ash being aware enough of the vote count but not more present as a player seems a little scummy.
I had also forgotten that ash had fake-hammered RR before as well. I think that is slightly townie from him. I haven't really seen anything that is outside ash's town meta, but we should get a wagon going on him, just to make sure.
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Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
I'm scummy because I'm building wagons rather than jumping on them? That kind of makes sense. Although you're wrong about me being scum.
This is a very scummy post from Joseph, saying that the reason why someone is finding you scummy is valid, is a classic scum tell.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Teproc is definitely trying to scum hunt, so if he is scum, he is doing a pretty good job.
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Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Cool were back to this stuff now.
Anything else to add ? Wagons are bad especially when they're on you, got that, but who's scummy for it ? faust I guess ? Why ?
I don't like faust posts like I said when I voted him. I have no qualms with anyone who voted me because they voted me.
This makes me read scummy on Jake. This is super unlike him as town.
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Couldn't you tell us what the post was, so we could analyze it for ourselves?
It is remarkable how many of these kinds of empty posts eevee has.
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To be specific, Ash, TWM, and Eevee look scummy for pushing Jake. Teproc looks towny for it. Roadrunner null.
Ash and TWM look partner, even.
This is good play from iguana. I tentitively have a town read on him, only because I have seen how the new iguana plays as scum, and he is a good player.
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I don't know, I have no impression of gkrieg whatsoever. I guess that's scummy maybe, but it mostly seems to me that he's been absent.
What I'm trying to do is avoid lynches of the following:
players who are just too easy to mislynch: RR, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie
players who are usually town assets and get a Day 1 pass unless they are scum incarnate: faust, ashersky
players I have actual (slight) town reads on: iguana, TWM
players I am happy to play with after so long (yay!): Teproc
Who's left? Gkrieg, 2.7, Eevee
I still really don't like this post from Robz. I know he is dead, but still...
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Faust/Teproc is the wolf possibility that is the funniest ^^
Another also, what do you think about faust/Teproc? I posted about them feeling not genuine when I read them.
I still feel this way, which gives me a scum read on Teproc.
Currently as of post #500, I scumread Jake, Joseph, Eevee. Slight scum on Teproc and e. Town on ash, tentatively on iguana. J Reggie is still pretty null at this point. I think his plan posts were townie, but then he stops being townie.
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Plane is starting to board. I might finish this during my layover.
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unvote
thoughts
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Ok,
Back to Vote: J Reggie
After working back through everything I convinced myself that scenarios exist where town can win no matter who we lynch today.
Obviously lynching town makes it more difficult, but scum (werewolves or mafia) have to work with us to eliminate the other faction. Also, the only kingmaking situation occurs if there are 2 mafia, 2 werewolves, and 1 town alive during the day. No lynch leads to a werewolf win. Lynch mafia leads to werewolf win. Lynch town leads to werewolf win. Lynch werewolf leads to a mafia win.
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
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routine thread maintenance
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q: what kind of math is used to make vote counts
a: mod-ular arithmetic
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Pretty sure a mislynch definitely means we lose.
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
Lol
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As town who was the main driving force behind both lynches so far this game, which were both on town, I do not feel very lucky.
And Teproc is a jerk and probably mafia.
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Reading on my computer, but the airport doesn't have wifi, so I have to respond on my phone.
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Scratch that. Reread will be later.
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I think it's pretty pointless to try and decipher who's a WW and who's a mafia right now. I mean, obviously some people are more likely to be one than the other (iguana can't really be mafia for example), and yeah lynching mafia is slightly better... but I think that's a pretty hazardous way of scumhunting, especially considering the 3-man team has daychat and therefore a lot of power on what happens in the day. I think we should lynch whoever we deem most likely to be scum in general, regardless of which exact faction we think they're in.
And Teproc is a jerk and probably mafia.
Why ?
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And yes, the RR lycnh was terrible (and had the hammer come from anyone else's I'd be screaming for their lynch), but we know at least one town was on it, and probably two... let's just say that if I were you, igu, I'd reconsider my reads, deeply. There's a reason you're still alive despite everyone and their grandmother thinking you're town.
And you just feel like you are playing a say anything to stay alive game now.
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And yes, the RR lycnh was terrible (and had the hammer come from anyone else's I'd be screaming for their lynch), but we know at least one town was on it, and probably two... let's just say that if I were you, igu, I'd reconsider my reads, deeply. There's a reason you're still alive despite everyone and their grandmother thinking you're town.
And you just feel like you are playing a say anything to stay alive game now.
Huh ? How so and how does it relate to what you quoted ?
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And yes, the RR lycnh was terrible (and had the hammer come from anyone else's I'd be screaming for their lynch), but we know at least one town was on it, and probably two... let's just say that if I were you, igu, I'd reconsider my reads, deeply. There's a reason you're still alive despite everyone and their grandmother thinking you're town.
And you just feel like you are playing a say anything to stay alive game now.
Huh ? How so and how does it relate to what you quoted ?
Answering why to both things you asked about
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But I don't think town Teproc scolds me like that - if the game isn't going well, blame yourself, right? If town Teproc really thought the RR lynch was awful, I think he does a lot more to stop it.
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Oh, and re:ash saying gkrieg and me should have been named... I was surprised not to be named on day 1, but gkrieg ? He was never strongly townread in this game, didn't he get wagons on both days ?
Town Teproc thinks a bit harder to defend himself here. Tries to figure out why he might not have been named D1 AND D2 and gives his best explanation. You essentially brushed off the fact that you went unnamed so far this game.
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I'm not scolding you, I'm urging you to do the work since you seemed to be discouraged. All we need to win this game is to figure out who town is... well that and possibly lynch in the right order, which is going to be the really difficult part. But first, we need to identify the other townies. But for that, we need to put in the effort, the time. We've only played one game together right (I guess Sherlock but I didn't play that all the way through and I was scum anyway so it's different in my head), and in that game you basically gave up when things got tough for your faction, so I'm worried you're doing the same here. Looks like you're not, though.
Oh, and re:ash saying gkrieg and me should have been named... I was surprised not to be named on day 1, but gkrieg ? He was never strongly townread in this game, didn't he get wagons on both days ?
Town Teproc thinks a bit harder to defend himself here. Tries to figure out why he might not have been named D1 AND D2 and gives his best explanation. You essentially brushed off the fact that you went unnamed so far this game.
I never defend myself. I try my best to make myself obv!town, something I've clearly failed at this game, but I don't defend myself because that never helps anyone.
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As for not getting listed, I don't think I can say anything valuable about that myself. You should feel free to analyze it, but anything I say about it becomes WIFOM, so there.
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Your efforts to make yourself town are totally pathetic compared to that huge Marvel Heroes AT dump. My standard for you is the guy who did the towniest thing that's ever been done.
Also, never give up is totally my motto 8) 8) 8)
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QT*
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Your efforts to make yourself town are totally pathetic compared to that huge Marvel Heroes AT dump. My standard for you is the guy who did the towniest thing that's ever been done.
Also, never give up is totally my motto 8) 8) 8)
Well yeah, and I'm not allowed to do that anymore. May I remind you that there's a reason I had to do that ? The reason being that I was being suspected, a lot. I was very close to being lynched in that game, multiple times.
It got harder to make myself obvtown once people got that I was able to be very protown as scum.
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Also I'm currently working on a big day 1 reread. Maybe that'll help.
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I understand iguanas line of questioning here on teproc, I just don't think it is the best target right now.
You guys have ignored J Reggie the first two days. Day 1 because he had v/la. D2 because he lurked.
I just don't see a scenario where he is town. My case on him really hasn't changed all that much since D1, but I am about to reread him in light of the flips. Won't take long
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Sorry guys, I'm just too hazy to focus on a reread right now.
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I understand iguanas line of questioning here on teproc, I just don't think it is the best target right now.
You guys have ignored J Reggie the first two days. Day 1 because he had v/la. D2 because he lurked.
I just don't see a scenario where he is town. My case on him really hasn't changed all that much since D1, but I am about to reread him in light of the flips. Won't take long
I thought he was scum day 1. I now think pretty strongly he's town, and I disagree with your case. Specifically the very early day 1 stuff reads super town to me (haven't reread later days yet).
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He only has like 1 post D2 and 1 post today
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Ok. J Reggie. Lets revisit the case on him since it has been a little while.
1) His plan. There are a couple things that I don't like about it. Usually I am all for plans and love them. I actually ignored his plan and did not claim at all. Yet, J Reggie had no follow up. He had no commitment to his plan. Looking at it now it feels more forced than genuine. It feels like a town-cred grab (which is what Teproc is giving him).
2) His voting history. We can learn two things here. First, he is not a partner with gkrieg
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
Second, he had a really terrible faust voteOh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
He also voted Joseph once very early but that is not really relevant. What is relevant is that he was altogether willing to join a mislynch wagon D1, but then stayed off the wagon D2 when the lynch actually went down. D2 he was "around for emergency voting" to get a lynch through, but let town just lynch itself. I think his position on the faust wagons (D1 and D2) is very scummy.
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oops, sorry, got my days confused.
faust was lynched later D1, not on D2
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RR was the mislynch D2.
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The point is still valid
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Ok. J Reggie. Lets revisit the case on him since it has been a little while.
1) His plan. There are a couple things that I don't like about it. Usually I am all for plans and love them. I actually ignored his plan and did not claim at all. Yet, J Reggie had no follow up. He had no commitment to his plan. Looking at it now it feels more forced than genuine. It feels like a town-cred grab (which is what Teproc is giving him).
2) His voting history. We can learn two things here. First, he is not a partner with gkrieg
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
Second, he had a really terrible faust voteOh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
He also voted Joseph once very early but that is not really relevant. What is relevant is that he was altogether willing to join a mislynch wagon D1, but then stayed off the wagon D2 when the lynch actually went down. D2 he was "around for emergency voting" to get a lynch through, but let town just lynch itself. I think his position on the faust wagons (D1 and D2) is very scummy.
Ok, so the plan. I agree it's forced, of course it's forced. But town has to force the game to start somehow, and this felt to me like what JR was doing. The thing is, it was so transparently a nothing plan that I don't think scum would bother, they wouldn't expect to actually get towncred from it. Town, OTOH, will do anything that's pro-town, if they think of it. And I totally buy that town!JR thought he might be able to get something to work off from reactions to it.
The faust vote scummy I agree, but from what I understand he's a common mislynch (Robz said so at one point), so I chalked that up to his meta. I should probably go and check on that. I do remember him being scummy as town in Sherlock.
And I don't understand your later point ? He's scummy for being on-wagon day 1 and off-wagon day 2 ? Why is that scummy ?
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yeah, the second point is weak, and I messed up when I wrote it out
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In other news, I just reread Jake, and I really don't know if he is scum anymore. I mean, his reads are SO TERRIBLE the entire game that he can't actually be scum, can he? Anyway, if he is, werewolf, like I said.
I don't think that I support lynching him today though.
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Vote: RR
It looked very possible that RR was going to get lynched yesterday so it makes sense that scum would put him on the list to try to get him towncred. RR has also looked scummy today.
I definitely think Iguana and RR are town (Already sorta did but this list confirms).
One question: Can you walk me through when on D2 you changed your mind on RR?
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
Rereading Teproc I stumbled on this. Iguana can't be 100% wrong here, can he? So Jake has to be scum, right?
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Let's do some Voltaire-style premature PoEing.
iguanaiguana: Towniest player, easily. Off the table.
RR: Sure. Didn't really respond to prods as much as I think town!RR does. Could lynch.
e: Nonchalant, which is town!e, but not overwhelmingly so... enough for day 1 though, I think. Tentatively off the table.
TWM: Vaguely scummy, but I'm not sure why. Could lynch.
Joseph: No idea, as he just always seems scummy to me. Would lynch over no lynch.
Robz: See above, conforming to his town!meta when it's not that profitable because he recently had a strong town-ish performance, off the table.
Eevee: Eh. I always think he's scum, but really I have no idea. Would lynch over no lynch.
gkrieg13: No clue. Don't remember his meta well either. Don't find the votes against him particularly convincing. Would lynch over no lynch.
J Reggie: Scummy. Would lynch.
Jake: Scum. Lynch !
faust: town!faust annoys me a lot more than scum!faust, so... off the table.
ashersky. Kinda scummy actually, because he has done nothing I remember aside from a half-hearted fakehammer. Would lynch.
Well, that was unhelpful. Turns out Voltaire-style PoE only works if you have a bunch of town reads.
PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.
This is helpful. Very townie from Teproc here looking back in light of flips
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
Rereading Teproc I stumbled on this. Iguana can't be 100% wrong here, can he? So Jake has to be scum, right?
Doesn't seem unreasonable that iguana had reads that bad. Although I do think Jake is scum.
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Not if they know they can get away with it (that's what happened with mail-mi in GoT and why it was on my mind, but certainly there are other examples, including any Awaclus scum win).
If it posts like scum, looks like scum, thinks like scum....might be scum. Teproc has done none of that this entire game. I actually have not been paying too much attention to Teproc at all, and I should have been. He has had some great posts and thoughts. Will not lynch today. Town.
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
Rereading Teproc I stumbled on this. Iguana can't be 100% wrong here, can he? So Jake has to be scum, right?
At that point I had changed my mind on Jake already. Also, yes, I can.
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actually, lets lynch a werewolf.
That will make it easier.
vote: gkrieg
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Vote: Gkrieg
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actually, lets lynch a werewolf.
That will make it easier.
vote: gkrieg
I like how once again, people have talked about other people, then randomly come to the conclusion that I am scum.
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Vote count 3.1
ashersky (1): JaketheBaseballGod22
gkrieg13 (2): 2.71828..., iguanaiguana
not voting (6): Joseph2302, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie, ashersky
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 3 ends tuesday, july 25th at 6pm forum time.
mod notes:
- gkrieg13 & 2.71828... are VLA
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Day 1 again. Never got to day 2 last time because the day just ended, but I I need to restart from scratch anyway.
Edit: This turned out way too long and I'm repeating some stuff I said in my more recent discussion with e (because some of this was done yesterday), sorry abut all that. I don't feel like editing it though, so there.
Vote: Robz
In a game with this many scum, the best uninformed vote is against someone whose scum game is significantly better than their town game.
Robz has a 5/12 chance of being scum. Those are pretty good odds and I would pretty much always choose to lynch him with those odds.
Also, Hi Robz. This is our first game together. I'm town and right now my goal is to get ya.
Still a very townie way to open the game.
I have a plan.
Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
Also, if you don't like the plan, please just humor me. I believe I've caught scum with a similar plan before.
This also still reads super townie. I thought it was silly at the time, but my guess is that JR intended to have reactions to it and find scum from that ? In any case, I think, like iguana's first post, it's trying to take advantage of the setup to get a shortcut to finding scum, which I think is foolish but townie.
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
Not sure about this. Leaning townie I think.
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
Not a RVs- I'm just voting against someone who wants to drag the game back into RVs
This, OTOH, feels fake as hell.
Unvote before something weird happens
This does not feel like town!e at all. He's the type to have the unvote at the ready but waiting for someone to vote before doing it.
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
Right, this is why I thought JR was scum on day 1. It is indeed pretty scummy.
I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.
Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!
This feels scummy to me, from Eevee. He's pretty straight-forward as town, I don't think he really does this, or not in this way at least... like, I think town!Eevee would just vote and let people did with that, then come back and see what happened there.
The igu meta post is still super townie. I say this because, while he's almost certainly not mafia, he could very much be a WW... but his play is too townie to seriously consider that, if he is we'll catch him through his partner.
Stategically holding off posting my Iguana read.
This again. Remind me to look at recent Eevee games to see if this is just a thing he does now.
I mean clearly I'm a wolf with e. That is the only possible explanation for the post I just made.
Ugh.
I actually don't like the iguana post. It's too meta.
No such thing as too meta, meta is life. Also, worrying about someone being too meta is dumb but townie*.
*I think I've gotten in trouble for this before, so I'll say that saying something someone does is dumb does not mean that I think this person is dumb. I do dumb stuff all the time, and I don't think I'm particularly dumb overall.
#189 Jake votes faust quoting one of his posts
#190 iguana votes faust with no comment
#191 RR votes faust with no comment
#192 JR votes faust talking about "sheepage".
Not sure what to make of it.
In general, looking at D1 wagons, it's striking how circular they were. These wagons reached L-2 on day 1:
iguana (5): e, TWM, RR, gkrieg, Joseph
faust (5): Teproc, Jake, iguana, RR, JR
RR (6): faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash, gkrieg
faust (5): Jake, iguana, JR, Teproc, Joseph
RR (5): e, gkrieg, faust, Eevee, Robz
faust (5): gkrieg, ash, TWM, RR, iguana
faust (7): ash, e, Eevee, Joseph, gkrieg, RRiguana
If we iguana is indeed town, those are all wagons on town, a lot of them town-driven... except the faust one. I mean RR and iguana yeah, but I wouldn't be surprised if everyone else on that wagon was scum... I guess that would solve the game so it's probably wishful thinking, but still. It kind of feels as if town was pushing wagons on town and scum (who was interested in scumhunting) genuinely thought faust was in the other scum faction, or maybe just didn't mind lynching him anyway because, you know, he's faust. Everyone whose alignment is in question today was on the faust wagon at one point or another.
Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide
Vote: RR
I won't let him escape this time
Yeah, I'm not sure why e felt so off to me at one point, this is classic town!e.
Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.
This is the scum narrative: Jake was assigned scum. He has made progress in changing his town meta, but now that he is scum he has reverted slightly back, possibly due to feeling like he has to act like "himself" or being unsure how to act.
if you disagree, then that is fine.
I was just thinking something along these lines. My reasoning is a bit different though : starting with the premise that Jake is currently changing is meta (which I'm mostly getting from this and some disagreement about Jake's meta on day 1), rolling scum makes it tough, and I think we see this in Jake's relative absence this game. Not literal absence : I think he's been reasonably active though not very much so, but his lack of impact on the game. Not knowing which meta to imitate (his older meta or his new one that people might not yet be fully aware of) can be a bit paralyzing, and
I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
gkrieg, can you talk about what you were doing with this post ?
Who started the list discussion? Because they are probably town, and the person continuing the discussion is scum. That's my working theory. I just need to reread to see who fits which spot
That's a townie observation... I think ? Well, it's a not-mafia observation anyway, which is something.
Allowing mafia not to submit a list seems broken and also seems like not what I signed up for...
More fuel to the « Iguana is definitely not mafia but maybe, just maybe he's a WW » fire. I think we should let that fire burn and not worry about it too much, « not mafia » is more than enough to not lynch today at the very least.
Starting to think WWs are going to be much harder than mafia to catch. Beyond the obvious « there's three of them » I mean.
My understanding of the setup, from the beginning, was that mafia did not have to submit a list.
Iguaniguana thinking the opposite makes me suspect he is either WW or town, but not mafia.
Hi Robz, I agree !
To be fair, Robz was scum in M102. Isn't it his town meta to play worse?
He wasn't scum, he was just highly motivated not-town
He doesn't have the same motivation here, as any alignment. I think it's hard to compare to that game unless there's a 1-player faction in the game.
This is an unremarkable post. I'm quoting it because this is true of basically every ash post in this game (day 1 anyway). It's weird. I'm starting to think it's « ash has a definite plan about this setup and it involves not doing anything » weird, which indicates daychat to me.
Vote: RR
I like how you don't embellish the case, it's not great but enough to make me vote.
I don't like this at all. Eevee prodded faust about why he was voting RR, and faust had answered « The other wagons are crappy. » It's not the sheepiness, which I think town!Eevee exhibits as much as his scum self, but the justification of the sheepiness, I think.
Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
Yeah it'd be a real shame if we lynched someone... wait.
It'd be a shame if we derphammer.
Joseph has been wierdly worried about stuff like this all of day 1. So he's thinking about daychat a lot... because he's a werewolf and thus he's been thinking about who mafia is all day ? I think that makes sense, I don't remember it being discussed all that much on day 1, and he didn't bring it up himself (daychat I mean).
I Didn't want to vote RR until this post:
[Reads list]
The rest of his stuff looks null to me. This looks scummy. He's posting a reads list but not giving any real reads so that later you aren't able to find his partner or partners on it. On D1 I wouldn't expect more than one scummy post from a lurky player.
However I do agree that the reads post from RR was pretty scummy.
This is after Eevee mentioned RR being his least favorite wagon. I find this suuper scummy actually : scum wants to scumhunt in this setup right ? But also, they're fine with lynching town, in fine. So you get this : Eevee thinks RR is town so he's pursuing other lynches, but you know, he'll take it if it happens.
Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
Impressive.
Jake, say your piece.
e is a much better lynch faust. e was on L-2 before e voted faust and then Eevee, gkrieg all voted faust for no reason. Were not pressed up against the deadline for at least another 45 minutes.
So faust was about to be hammered, Jake expressed disapproval and iguana unvoted to let Jake get this in. Again, it feels like a « guys, can we lynch the opposing scum » kind of post, which also possibly gives towncred for deflecting for someone who's probably about to flip town... I don't know that people still give towncred for that nowadays though.
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I understand iguanas line of questioning here on teproc, I just don't think it is the best target right now.
You guys have ignored J Reggie the first two days. Day 1 because he had v/la. D2 because he lurked.
I just don't see a scenario where he is town. My case on him really hasn't changed all that much since D1, but I am about to reread him in light of the flips. Won't take long
I basically agree with all of this! I don't really understand how Teproc thinks the plan was towny. Why not just scum that thought "hey, plans win town points.. well let's just think of any plan so people will think I'm town". Think about it, what kind of reactions are you really wishing for as town that give you any real information? I'd say it's much easier for scum to just fake an opinion on a reaction and roll with it, whatever goes well with their agenda. It's all so subjective that it's easy to hide there.
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actually, lets lynch a werewolf.
That will make it easier.
vote: gkrieg
I like how once again, people have talked about other people, then randomly come to the conclusion that I am scum.
Yet, somehow, you never get lynched. Maybe you have partners or something protecting you
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And "random" is a bit of a stretch
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Uh............
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Some one got their games confused
for context: two posts ago robz accidentally posted, seemingly intending to post somewhere else
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And "random" is a bit of a stretch
You have many posts before the vote for me talking about other people, then you just vote for me without really mentioning me at all in your rereads.
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Teproc's thing: I was busy at that time and I didn't want the wagon to grow on me while I was away, because that never ends well
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I feel really confident about e, Eevee, Iguana for town. Consequently I feel pretty damn confident about literally everyone else for scum. E's reads have been dope and I should have listened. I'm cheeping him today.
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And "random" is a bit of a stretch
You have many posts before the vote for me talking about other people, then you just vote for me without really mentioning me at all in your rereads.
He pushed your lynch all day yesterday. I think asking him to make a case on you is a bit silly.
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Teproc's thing: I was busy at that time and I didn't want the wagon to grow on me while I was away, because that never ends well
Which one ? I get that it's annoying to quote, but I asked you about what you were trying to do with your "I expect to be listed" post on day 1, I'm not sure what else you're answering to specifically here.
iguana, I think you're wrong about Eevee. If I were to vote right now, it'd be him. Have you read my admittedly annoing to read post ? Like, why do you think Eevee is town at all ?
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gkrieg is maybe scum by PoE, but I'm not super confident. Right now I think Jake, Eevee, ash and Joseph are all much safer lynches.
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Eevee was on the list. Brings his odds of scum down from 5/8 to 2/5. Teproc c'mon man stop being so mafia.
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gkrieg could very well be the fourth town even. Yeah, I don't like that lynch, and it's probably two townies voting so... I think you guys should reconsider.
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Eevee was on the list. Brings his odds of scum down from 5/8 to 2/5. Teproc c'mon man stop being so mafia.
Reads still matter, and he's super scummy. Not mafia, most likely (he's been on the list once with two much townier people, it's not impossible that he's mafia actually but sure). Are you super confident he's town solely because of that ?
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I'll admit I forgot he was on the list there. That makes him probably not a great lycnh today. But I think gkrieg is a super-risky lynch too.
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Like, ash Jake and Joseph are all much safer, I really doubt any of them is town.
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And right now, if I'm correct and you're both town, which seems increasingly likely to me, and gkrieg is town too, which is very possible, we're in quickhammer territory.
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Eevee was on the list. Brings his odds of scum down from 5/8 to 2/5. Teproc c'mon man stop being so mafia.
Reads still matter, and he's super scummy. Not mafia, most likely (he's been on the list once with two much townier people, it's not impossible that he's mafia actually but sure). Are you super confident he's town solely because of that ?
Nope. Dude townslipped hard D1.
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Maybe I just don't like it because I haven't processed everything yet (still need to reread day 2), but I really, really don't want to have scum quickhammer before I get the time to figure things out, so could one of you please unvote ? Pretty please ?
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Eevee was on the list. Brings his odds of scum down from 5/8 to 2/5. Teproc c'mon man stop being so mafia.
Reads still matter, and he's super scummy. Not mafia, most likely (he's been on the list once with two much townier people, it's not impossible that he's mafia actually but sure). Are you super confident he's town solely because of that ?
Nope. Dude townslipped hard D1.
I just reread day 1. Either I missed it or I do not agree. What was it ?
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Like, ash Jake and Joseph are all much safer, I really doubt any of them is town.
I like Ash and Gkrieg the best. IMO either Jake or Joseph could still be town somehow. Not likely but still.
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
Eevee didn't realize that in this setup scum will be scumhunting and will never have to fabricate any kind of case because they are trying to lynch another faction of scum. So he never thought about the game how scum would at that point. So he's town.
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
Eevee didn't realize that in this setup scum will be scumhunting and will never have to fabricate any kind of case because they are trying to lynch another faction of scum. So he never thought about the game how scum would at that point. So he's town.
That's not a townslip. That's not anything, it's not even Eevee attempting to fake a townslip. Scum still wants to lynch town at some point, they still do have to fabricate some cases... if only because they want to appear townie too.
I don't know. I see the reasoning but I'm pretty sure I could pull posts from 5 other players in day 1 taht are similar. Maybe I'll do that later on, because I'm really convinced Eevee is scum and we'll have to lynch him at some point.
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Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
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Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
I don't know. Like, Joseph is most likely scum and I don't think he's online. I guess I'm not sure a quickhammer is worth it for mafia right now, but I'd rather it not be a possibility before I'm done rereading. But sure, go ahead and argue that it makes me scum, I'm sure you can.
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I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
This might be a real townslip.
Eevee didn't realize that in this setup scum will be scumhunting and will never have to fabricate any kind of case because they are trying to lynch another faction of scum. So he never thought about the game how scum would at that point. So he's town.
That's not a townslip. That's not anything, it's not even Eevee attempting to fake a townslip. Scum still wants to lynch town at some point, they still do have to fabricate some cases... if only because they want to appear townie too.
I don't know. I see the reasoning but I'm pretty sure I could pull posts from 5 other players in day 1 taht are similar. Maybe I'll do that later on, because I'm really convinced Eevee is scum and we'll have to lynch him at some point.
I agree that it's definitely not Eevee attempting to fake a townslip. It's the kind of half baked reasoning that would only come from actual town. It's pretty clear in the post that he's thinking of scum as having to primarily manufacture fake cases on people they know are town. If he was scum he would be very aware at that point that anyone else could be scum too and anyone who looks scummy might actually be scum. He wasn't aware of that.
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Well, whatever, we can deal this on a later day I guess. The more important issue right now is I think there's a significant chance gkrieg is town.
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You might be able to find 5 posts like that but probably not if you exclude me, e, Eevee and dead town from your search.
It is true that you (Teproc) have at least 5 posts indicating you haven't been thinking about how scum thinks in this setup but yours are very self conscious and so they don't really count.
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Also I have to go sleep. As long as the game isn't over by the time I wake up (and we're not doing something dumb like lynching iguana) I'm fine.
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Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
I don't know. Like, Joseph is most likely scum and I don't think he's online. I guess I'm not sure a quickhammer is worth it for mafia right now, but I'd rather it not be a possibility before I'm done rereading. But sure, go ahead and argue that it makes me scum, I'm sure you can.
I do think you are scum, so I'm coming from a biased perspective. Fearing the quickhammer doesn't make you scum. Saying quickhammerquickhammerquickhammer makes you seem like scum signaling the quickhammer, though.
The funny thing is, why would mafia quickhammer here? They don't know if they are quickhammering WW or Town, and there are clear risks to both (not as much with town, I guess). Some outing of themselves could lead to town kingmaking for WWs at the least and outing themselves for a loss given the scenarios we've written out.
So the fixation gets more odd when you see that it's not that likely, either.
But all that considered, it's all just symptoms of what I perceive as the scumproblem. You, Teproc, are incredibly smart and intelligent and apt. You are saying things that are none of those things, and often. While not the only reason, a very possible reason for a very smart person to say very dumb* things is that they are forced to lie about their motives.
I think you know better, but have to put forward a certain persona, and you are doing it through moves that aren't working.
TLDR: you are better off saying smart scummy things than dumb towny things.
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Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
Is this your codepost in the thread to signal that operation quickhammer has to be delayed? :P
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I agree with Ash's case on Teproc and Teproc's case on Ash. My mafia team prediction is Ash/Teproc/J Reggie. Werewolves are in Gkrieg/Jake/Joseph.
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The best case on me is POE, yet I'm somehow the leading lynch candidate?
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Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
Maybe it would have happened, but it would require all the scum to be around simultaneously. And there's a fair few players that haven't been around much today.
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Sorry, I've been busy IRL, and also having to think hard about who to trust in this game, as currently basically anyone could be mafia/WW.
iguanaiguana - seemed towny the first 2 days, but his reads have been poor and he's been on the list twice. Not mafia, but could be WW.
2.71828... - disagreed with a lot of what he's said this game. OTOH, I've been on 2 mislynches, and he hasn't. Not my top lynch candidate.
Joseph2302 - IC, definite town.
Eevee - was on the lynch list yesterday, so slightly less likely to be mafia. Could be WW though.
gkrieg13 - leaning towards scummy
Teproc - doesn't like me for some reason (#1351), and argued quite a bit with ash. Don't think ash & Teproc are on same team, which means at most 1 is town.
J Reggie - so away and inactive.
JaketheBaseballGod22 - leaning towards not town, but not 100% sure why
ashersky - he's getting engaged a whole lot more D3, but the D1 and D2 were so odd and unlike him. And I'll say it again, I didn't like the quickhammer D2. RR by then had become an obvious easy mislynch target.
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I think I'm in this bar,. Dams
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Dama
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OK, thought it through and I guess I overreacted re: the quickhammer. I mean it would be pretty bad for us I think, but even worse for mafia.
Taking a look at day 2 now... and by now I mean in the foreseeable future.
Dama
Where do you rank Eevee in terms of f.ds scum players ? Asking for a reptile friend.
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Also, Joseph's "PoE" post is terrible. Most likely because he's scum, but just in case: I think the way to go right now is to figure out the least likely player to be town. That might seem obvious, but I think it's pretty different than normal reads/scumhunting, which is what you're doing. Finding scum should be pretty easy today, if we do the work. I'm sorry if that was too s
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Grmbl.
I'm sorry if that was too self-conscious iguana. I urge you to remember Marvel Heroes and conclude that self-consciousness is not indicative of scum!me - though I'll grant that it's not particularly indicative of town!me either.
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Self consciousness is fine. I was only saying earlier that you can't have a townslip and be conscious of it. So most likely you will never have one - too careful a player.
Personally I think the most likely player to be scum is Ash. What about you, Teproc? Just because we have different alignments doesn't mean we can't work together for now!
Vote: Ashersky just in case it catches on 8)
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The Teproc/Ashersky mafia team argument hinges on daychat btw. With daychat they can fine tune their bussing to perfection.
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Also, Joseph's "PoE" post is terrible. Most likely because he's scum,
Yes
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Preferred lynch order:
Phase (condition at start of phase)
D3 (3-2-4): lynch Werewolf
N3 (3-1-4): town dies
D4 (3-1-3): lynch Mafia
N4 (2-1-3): town dies
D5 (2-1-2): lynch Mafia
N5 (1-1-2): no kill (if WW kills game ends with mafia win 1-1-1 scenario)
D6 (1-1-2): lynch werewolf
D7 (1-0-2): lynch Mafia
Good game, guys.
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Alternate scenario:
Phase (condition at start of phase)
D3 (3-2-4): lynch mafia
N3 (2-2-4): town dies
D4 (2-2-3): lynch Mafia
N4 (1-2-3): town dies
D5 (1-2-2): lynch werewolf
N5 (1-1-2): no kill (if WW kills game ends with mafia win 1-1-1 scenario)
D6 (1-1-2): lynch werewolf
D7 (1-0-2): lynch Mafia
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So really we have to just lynch werewolf/mafia/mafia the next three days.
We cannot lynch both werewolves, or town loses. We can't lynch all three scum or werewolves win.
We have to work to the 1-1-2 where werewolves have to no kill at night.
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So yeah. I am actually getting more optimistic. Lynching mafia might be best today, because it prevents the whole quick hammer werewolves for the mafia win
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Sorry, I've been busy IRL, and also having to think hard about who to trust in this game, as currently basically anyone could be mafia/WW.
iguanaiguana - seemed towny the first 2 days, but his reads have been poor and he's been on the list twice. Not mafia, but could be WW.
2.71828... - disagreed with a lot of what he's said this game. OTOH, I've been on 2 mislynches, and he hasn't. Not my top lynch candidate.
Joseph2302 - IC, definite town.
Eevee - was on the lynch list yesterday, so slightly less likely to be mafia. Could be WW though.
gkrieg13 - leaning towards scummy
Teproc - doesn't like me for some reason (#1351), and argued quite a bit with ash. Don't think ash & Teproc are on same team, which means at most 1 is town.
J Reggie - so away and inactive.
JaketheBaseballGod22 - leaning towards not town, but not 100% sure why
ashersky - he's getting engaged a whole lot more D3, but the D1 and D2 were so odd and unlike him. And I'll say it again, I didn't like the quickhammer D2. RR by then had become an obvious easy mislynch target.
So, why are you leaning towards scum with me?
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So yeah. I am actually getting more optimistic. Lynching mafia might be best today, because it prevents the whole quick hammer werewolves for the mafia win
Laying it out like that does make me more interested in the game.
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Although to be honest, if the werewolves are cool people as soon as we lynch a werewolf they should no lynch.
It really only benefits town to do that, but you are going to have to no lynch eventually, so just get it out of the way now with maximum WIFOM available
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The benefit of werewolves leaving three town alive until mafia is gone is that they have extra town votes that will help them lynch mafia. Also with 3T 1M 1W town can lynch either mafia or wolves to go to LyLo, which is better for wolves.
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Vote: J Reggie
I know I haven't been a poster boy for activity either, but I feel J Reggie not posting a lot is keeping the heat off him.
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Maybe it's easier to get the game rolling again if we get a scum lynch through.
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Vote: J Reggie
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Vote: J Reggie
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I'd rather go Jake if we are lynching a lurjer
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I'd rather go Jake if we are lynching a lurjer
Why?
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I'd rather go Jake if we are lynching a lurjer
Why?
Because I think he is scummier.
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That isn't really a reason. Obviously I assume that.
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That isn't really a reason. Obviously I assume that.
I partially want to decide who we lynch, because then, I at least know that it isn't someone chosen by scum.
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That isn't really a reason. Obviously I assume that.
I partially want to decide who we lynch, because then, I at least know that it isn't someone chosen by scum.
Again, this is a trivially easy statement for anyone of any alignment to make. Everyone does better for their faction by trying to control the lynch.
That's why it is so pathetic that so few people have been voting/trying.
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vote: Jake
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About to board a flight, time zone will change for a week+.
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D2
So mafia could've nominated a werewolf, or themselves, so that list doesn't mean much.
Three or four posts in, mentioning the possibility of mafia WIFOM on the list and undermining what we can learn from it. The more I think about it, the more I think mafia had to be pushing that idea, because they had to be worried about the PoE right ? So they'd want us to be as scared of the WIFOM as possible. I really don't think anyone on the list D1 was mafia (I guess e's the only one left alive so that's not much of a stretch), and the same on D2 really.
Vote: E
Re: Jake. His end of day yesterday was really loud and protesting, but that is really all that I felt it was. When asked for reasons same explanations there were none to be found.
I am still kind of on the fence if I really think scum!Jake behaves like that. He is totally capable of it, but I am just not sure. So I think someone like j Reggie is a better lynch, but very cautious of Jake
I don't behave like this at all as scum
Jake only exists in this game when he's voted for, or talked about.
My reads with Robz seem to continue aligning, but I'm having this creeping feeling it's because he's always posting them after I post mine.
(this might be paranoia)
Eevee continues to feel super forced to me. "Look at how paranoid I'm being, ain't that the towniest thing !"
Unfortunately this is what town ii looks like. I still disagree with pretty much that whole post.
Still think JR is obv!town that just needs to, you know, show up. I suppose it's not hard to fake this at all, but there is an underlying frustration that I think is very townie.
quote author=JaketheBaseballGod22 link=topic=17339.msg706635#msg706635 date=1500000033]
Joseph is town.
I think this is an opinion that needs to be reevaluated.
Why ? I mean why is Joseph scum ? After Smallville, I just have no idea with him... I guess he's more in the background this game ?
Not necessarily in the background. I am not a fan of his voting history D1, but there is a lot of PoE related to placing him as scum
Stop with the mega early POE
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Well, scum does want to undermine PoE... pretty brazen to do it that way though. Maybe more palatable day 2 I suppose... still, feels more like town gravely misjudging the situation.
vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
Ugh. Eveery time ash pops up in this reread it's like this. Just nothingness all the way. Town!ash is many things but not this, I'm starting to think he's the best lynch for today.
iguana makes a case on RR and...
Hmm. You convinced me, Iguana!
I'm still not really interested in lynching RR, at least for today, just not sure scum would have thought through all that. But maybe.
I know town!Eevee is hedgy, but come on. He knows we know this, and he's using it to his advantage. I think scum was still interested in lynching town at this point (I think mafia is still interested today, werewolves less so), too.
I have a plan.
I should be more bold about that.
I have a plan.
I remember why I thought JR was scum now. This feels super forced.
Huh. Well, I was wrong. I think.
vote: rr
Ending the day ftw.
And then there's this. ash hammers a lot as either alignment, so whataver, but it certainly wasn't pro-town. It was a sunday, I was in the middle of doinga reread and couldn't finish, plenty of people had barely posted and didn't get a chance... and ash never seemed convinced of anything. I think this is another case of a player relying on their meta to get away with scummy stuff easily: like, there's no question that more discussion is pro-town in this setup. There's nothing to reveal, all there is to PoE scum to death and make lists/kill uncomfortable for them. ash also loves very little more than getting lynched as scum and then winning : I think he looked at the situation, and figured his lynch would work just fine for his teammates on the last day, so let's take the mislynch why it's there (and if he was mafia he might have even believed RR to be a WW, hence the naming on the first list), and face town tomorrow.
Except his meta is so well established that he's not even a leading lynch candidate right now. Having his cake and eating it too... wait, what are you supposed to do with a cake but eat it ? English is weird. And ash is scummy.
So, D2 was pretty crappy is mostly what I'm getting; Didn't really change my thoughts on the game because we just limped towards a RR lynch until ash decided to end it before we might do something useful. So, my lynch pool :
e: Not lynching, town.
iguana: Not lynching, town.
JR: Not lynching, town.
That's all the town ? I guess I'm likely wrong about one of these.
Could be the 3rd town instead of whoever I'm getting wrong:
gkrieg: Not hot on lynching today
I guess that's it. So let's lynch any of
ash
Eevee
Jake
Joseph
Pretty sure they're all scum. Really I'd want to lynch Eevee or ash first because they're the most dangerous but I don't know how much support there is for that. Though Jake is voting ash ?
vote: ash
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I think the thing with cake is that once you have eaten it, you don't have it anymore.
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We have votes on Jake, ash, and j Reggie. Willing to lynch any of them. Just a matter of consolidating a wagon in my opinion. Leaving my vote on jr for now
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I prefer J Reggie or Ash.
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I prefer J Reggie or Ash.
Why not Jake?
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I prefer J Reggie or Ash.
Why not Jake?
I give him 33% odds of being town.
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Giving gkrieg and Teproc a pass for trying to keep us going today seems fine, so to me J Reggie > ash/Jake/ > not so interested in others (Joseph is probably scum too?).
I like Teproc's point about gkrieg mentioning the scum wifom being suspicious, I think that makes sense.
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as long as we're here
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we can go ahead and
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do the one thing
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Vote count 3.2
ashersky (2): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc
J Reggie (3): Eevee, iguanaiguana, 2.71828...
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): gkrieg13
not voting (3): Joseph2302, J Reggie, ashersky
with 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. day 3 ends tuesday, july 25th at 6pm forum time.
mod notes:
- gkrieg13, 2.71828..., JaketheBaseballGod22 and Teproc are VLA
- prodding J Reggie
mod quotes:
Some one got their games confused
for context: two posts ago robz accidentally posted, seemingly intending to post somewhere else
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
Back and catching up now
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please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
True
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Vote: RR
It looked very possible that RR was going to get lynched yesterday so it makes sense that scum would put him on the list to try to get him towncred. RR has also looked scummy today.
I definitely think Iguana and RR are town (Already sorta did but this list confirms).
One question: Can you walk me through when on D2 you changed your mind on RR?
I wrote that earlier in D2 before we had the chance to discuss people being on the list. I definitely think that the people on the list now are not mafia but yesterday when you think about it putting someone on the list for towncred would have been a valid move.
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Ok. J Reggie. Lets revisit the case on him since it has been a little while.
1) His plan. There are a couple things that I don't like about it. Usually I am all for plans and love them. I actually ignored his plan and did not claim at all. Yet, J Reggie had no follow up. He had no commitment to his plan. Looking at it now it feels more forced than genuine. It feels like a town-cred grab (which is what Teproc is giving him).
2) His voting history. We can learn two things here. First, he is not a partner with gkrieg
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
Second, he had a really terrible faust voteOh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
He also voted Joseph once very early but that is not really relevant. What is relevant is that he was altogether willing to join a mislynch wagon D1, but then stayed off the wagon D2 when the lynch actually went down. D2 he was "around for emergency voting" to get a lynch through, but let town just lynch itself. I think his position on the faust wagons (D1 and D2) is very scummy.
Don't like this case at all.
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Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
Rereading Teproc I stumbled on this. Iguana can't be 100% wrong here, can he? So Jake has to be scum, right?
He can if he is WW. (Looks likely to me)
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Eevee was on the list. Brings his odds of scum down from 5/8 to 2/5. Teproc c'mon man stop being so mafia.
Reads still matter, and he's super scummy. Not mafia, most likely (he's been on the list once with two much townier people, it's not impossible that he's mafia actually but sure). Are you super confident he's town solely because of that ?
Yes
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We have votes on Jake, ash, and j Reggie. Willing to lynch any of them. Just a matter of consolidating a wagon in my opinion. Leaving my vote on jr for now
I think ash is the best lynch for today
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Overall Current Reads List
Town
1. e
2. Eevee
3. Jake
4. X
WW
1. Iguana
2. X
Scum
1. Ashersky
2. Teproc
3. X
That leaves Joseph, Gkrieg and JR for the three X's.
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Overall Current Reads List
Town
1. e
2. Eevee
3. Jake
4. X
WW
1. Iguana
2. X
Scum
1. Ashersky
2. Teproc
3. X
That leaves Joseph, Gkrieg and JR for the three X's.
You just took my list and swapped your position and my position.
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Overall Current Reads List
Town
1. e
2. Eevee
3. Jake
4. X
WW
1. Iguana
2. X
Scum
1. Ashersky
2. Teproc
3. X
That leaves Joseph, Gkrieg and JR for the three X's.
You just took my list and swapped your position and my position.
Wheres your list?
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My mafia team prediction is Ash/Teproc/J Reggie. Werewolves are in Gkrieg/Jake/Joseph.
Implied: Town is e, Eevee, Iguana, x.
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Hi guys, sorry I was absent for a while again. This will be my last mafia game for a while. I'm caught up now and have a few reads. I think since Jake's return he looks scummy. Would be happy to lynch him. Ash, Eevee, Joseph Gkrieg also on my scum list. But really, there are more scum than town now, right? So it's pretty unlikely we'll lynch town, which is the only way we lose the game today.
vote: Jake
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Hi guys, sorry I was absent for a while again. This will be my last mafia game for a while. I'm caught up now and have a few reads. I think since Jake's return he looks scummy. Would be happy to lynch him. Ash, Eevee, Joseph Gkrieg also on my scum list. But really, there are more scum than town now, right? So it's pretty unlikely we'll lynch town, which is the only way we lose the game today.
vote: Jake
Just because we'll probably hit non-town today doesn't mean we shouldn't be putting effort in to find scum.
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I will do a proper reread of all people this evening.
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I said it before, and I'll say it again: ash's behaviour this game has been odd. And I don't see it as towny at all. Contributing nothing D1 & 2 followed by quickhammering RR seems really anti-town to me.
Other people I think aren't that towny:
e - his reads have been polar opposite to mine all game. And he seems to think the RR lynch wasn't terrible, for some inexplicable reason.
JReggie- barely been in this game, and it seems like a possible scum/WW move to lurk to avoid scrutiny.
ii - people thought he was town, but he's been on the list & survived twice. That alone makes him quite likely to be WW IMO.
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Vote: ash - if it feels good, do it.
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My first post of the day:
that was a terrible lynch. Haven't completely evaluated he numbers yet, but unless we have two scum die at night town has already lost
e - his reads have been polar opposite to mine all game. And he seems to think the RR lynch wasn't terrible, for some inexplicable reason.
Just to make sure the record is clear
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If anyone that I think is scum gets to L-1 I will hammer
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Vote: Ash L-1.
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What goes around comes around?
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Vote: Ash L-1.
Yes
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Vote: asherksy
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thread lopped i mean locked
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D3 final votecount
ashersky (5): JaketheBaseballGod22, Teproc, Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, 2.71828...
J Reggie (1): Eevee
JaketheBaseballGod22 (1): gkrieg13
not voting (2): J Reggie, ashersky
with 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch
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https://youtu.be/N18SmluYFT4 (https://youtu.be/N18SmluYFT4)
it's not that funny is it?
don't know what it is
but you can't get enough of it
it's not that funny is it?
don't, blame, me
please, please, please
i didn't wanna bleed so
i didn't wanna be this late
so don't make me wait
ashersky has been lynched! he was stevie nicks and lindsey buckingham's failed relationship, aligned with infidelity
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N3 starts!
https://youtu.be/ubVRwsV1H6o?t=22s (https://youtu.be/ubVRwsV1H6o?t=22s)
don't stop thinkin about tomorrow
don't stop it'll soon be here
it'll be better than before
yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone
another songbird brings another list of names:
Eevee
JaketheBaseballGod22
iguanaiguana
werewolves have until wednesday, july 26 at 6pm forum time to choose a target
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https://youtu.be/-Rg1Gtni-a0?t=47s (https://youtu.be/-Rg1Gtni-a0?t=47s)
say you will, say you will, give me one more chance
at least give me time to change your mind
always seems to heal the wounds, if i can
get you to dance
JaketheBaseballGod22 has been killed in the night! he was love-aligned.
thread still locked ay
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https://youtu.be/_Qf22Ag4XKI (https://youtu.be/_Qf22Ag4XKI)
monday morning you sure look fine
friday i got travelin on my mind
first you love me, then you fade away
i can't go on believin this way
i got nothin but love for you
tell me what you really wanna do
first you love me, then you get on down the line
but i don't miiiiiind
Day 4 Starts!
Vote count 4.0
not voting (7): iguanaiguana, 2.71828..., Joseph2302, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie
with 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 4 ends wednesday, august 2nd at 11pm forum time. thread unlocked
mod notes:
- 2.71828... and gkrieg13 are VLA
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Jake, I apologize. You were town. Werewolf, thanks for killing jake (even though you probably should have kept him alive because then I would be opening saying Jake is obv!werewolf)
Anyway, we cannot lynch our last werewolf.
I will hold off on my J Reggie vote until other people post.
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Hmm.
So we need to lynch mafia, meaning anyone who's been named is off the table for today? I agree Reggie seems like a good lynch, although the lynch being diverted to ashersky yesterday wasn't bad.
I'm going to spend the next two days in our summer house with no electricity, maybe a post or two before my battery runs out but basically no access.
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I think I only want to lynch Joseph, e, or J Reggie with a big emphasis on Joseph.
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I think I only want to lynch Joseph, e, or J Reggie with a big emphasis on Joseph.
Bad choice, Joseph is town.
Also, we need to be very careful with votes today- scum has daychat, so they can coordinate well to get a quicklynch if we start stray voting.
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Hmm.
So we need to lynch mafia, meaning anyone who's been named is off the table for today? I agree Reggie seems like a good lynch, although the lynch being diverted to ashersky yesterday wasn't bad.
I'm going to spend the next two days in our summer house with no electricity, maybe a post or two before my battery runs out but basically no access.
I doubt mafia put themselves on the list yesterday. So Eevee and II seem fine for today (unlikely mafia, could be WW. But we need mafia lynch today).
That limits us to 5 targets, giving us a good shot at salvaging stuff today
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Right, so now we need to lynch mafia. We can exclude iguana and Eevee for being on the list, I agree with that. Jake being killed means the remaining WW is trying to work with us (well, assuming iguana is town, but I do assume that), so it should be doable. We have
e
Joseph
gkrieg
JR
Joseph seems like our safest bet, but i'll reread them all, and you should too.
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Obviously you guys can add me to that. Sorry for being annoying to reread, but you still should.
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So gkrieg and Teproc have both suggested me as top scum candidate.
Scum team perhaps?
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I'd rather go Jake if we are lynching a lurjer
Gkriegs response to three quick j Reggie votes
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[Big long post]
vote: ash
Not werewolf
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Mafia:
Ashersky
J Reggie
Werewolf:
Gkrieg
Jake
Town:
e
Eevee
Iguana
Which leaves me a spot in town and a spot in mafia for teproc/Joseph. Haven't decided which is which. We will see how terrible my reads are after the game
So this actually leaves gkrieg/Joseph as two mafia.
I need to rethink my life in light of the flips though
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Teproc/Joseph
Excuse me
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Obviously you guys can add me to that. Sorry for being annoying to reread, but you still should.
I reread you a while back and came up with town. Jake being town really threw me off my groove.
That being said, I don't think mafia have any clue who the last werewolf is. Fairly certain they were going for discovering that Jake was werewolf.
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E, I think the best choices are Teproc/J Reggie. I like going for Teproc first so he stops trying to thoughtsteer everyone.
I'm planning on putting some major analysis work in during the next two mornings.
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You realize that if Teproc is town and you're town, werewolf is in Eevee/me, right?
Dammit, I really hope e is not scum :( If he is, town probably isn't active enough to win :(
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E, I think the best choices are Teproc/J Reggie. I like going for Teproc first so he stops trying to thoughtsteer everyone.
I'm planning on putting some major analysis work in during the next two mornings.
My reread of teproc yesterday really made me think he is town. I am really reopening the possibility of eevee being scum (still think you are town).
Right now I think:
Mafia
J Reggie
Joseph
Teproc
Werewolf
Gkrieg
Town
e
Eevee
Iguana
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Maybe J Reggie is the best choice then :/
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I like going for j Reggie and seeing if teproc battles against it. I mean, look at that last post by j Reggie. Scummy.
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Hi guys, sorry I was absent for a while again. This will be my last mafia game for a while. I'm caught up now and have a few reads. I think since Jake's return he looks scummy. Would be happy to lynch him. Ash, Eevee, Joseph Gkrieg also on my scum list. But really, there are more scum than town now, right? So it's pretty unlikely we'll lynch town, which is the only way we lose the game today.
vote: Jake
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I am pretty sure that a Teproc reread will find him defending too many unknown alignment living players for him to be town.
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Maybe J Reggie is the best choice then :/
My biggest concern (based on that last post and that post alone) is werewolf!Reggie.
I could be talked into lynching teproc probably
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Ash reread should be clutch. Maybe can't find his partner but if we find some who probably aren't his partner and aren't on the list and aren't e, that's the mafia team.
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Ash reread should be clutch. Maybe can't find his partner but if we find some who probably aren't his partner and aren't on the list and aren't e, that's the mafia team.
Sounds like a plan. Although you could be his partner.
But right now, town have to kill mafia, and WW also wants to kill mafia. So finding the WW is less important.
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Ash reread should be clutch. Maybe can't find his partner but if we find some who probably aren't his partner and aren't on the list and aren't e, that's the mafia team.
Sounds like a plan. Although you could be his partner.
But right now, town have to kill mafia, and WW also wants to kill mafia. So finding the WW is less important.
That's why I said we need to figure out who is very unlikely to be Ash's partner, not "We need to find Ash's partner."
Also, I am the reason Ash got lynched. e said "I'll vote for anyone who I think is scum once they are at L-1." I knew he thought Ash was mafia. I also thought Ash was mafia. Ash was at L-2. I switched my vote off J Reggie and onto Ash so that e could hammer Ash. If Ash were my partner, I could have easily left my vote on J Reggie or Jake and no one would have batted an eye.
That vote put werewolves in a much worse situation. That, combined with my being the list every night, makes me town.
Most likely, you are the werewolf. But I need to reread and confirm that theory.
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Someone explain to me why a werewolf spends all day saying that his partner is the best lynch for the day on D3 when no scum has been lynched yet, then votes to lynch his partner as soon as it is possible. Explain that, and maybe I'm not IC to all of you.
Until then, town needs to pay attention to what I say because I am the only source of information you can trust, and that one wolf who keeps not killing me -- basically, I am going to make you regret your at-this-point stupid choice.
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Someone explain to me why a werewolf spends all day saying that his partner is the best lynch for the day on D3 when no scum has been lynched yet, then votes to lynch his partner as soon as it is possible. Explain that, and maybe I'm not IC to all of you.
Until then, town needs to pay attention to what I say because I am the only source of information you can trust, and that one wolf who keeps not killing me -- basically, I am going to make you regret your at-this-point stupid choice.
Who is saying you are scum?
I think our reads (mine and yours) are starting to align. The biggest thing yesterday was your town read on Jake vs my scum read, and you were right
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ASH REREAD D1
Almost all of Ash's comments D1 are on now-confirmed town. If he was mafia hunting, he uh did a bad job like the rest of us (so far). Two exceptions.
1) Ash's first vote is on J Reggie. It looks like RVS. J Reggie jokingly posts his plan for us all to claim VT - and Ash votes him for "trying to out our PRs."
2) Ash pushes Gkrieg a little bit early in the day, then later flips to Faust, saying "Gkrieg is scummy," then later agrees with Gkrieg's case on Faust. It happens in these three posts:
vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
vote: faust
I think gkrieg is scummy.
I read the posts up until this post. That's all.
I still like the faust lynch. Any squirming at all is scummy from faust. Town!faust never squirms. This game he's squirmed a little.
I think gkrieg has said the same thing in different words.
Unfortunately I can't really determine "Gkrieg is not Ash's partner" from that. Ash never put any real heat on Gkrieg.
Living people that Ash does not mention D1: Teproc, e, Joseph, Eevee
Ash reread D2:
Ash interacts with living players even less D2 than D1.
D2 he mentions Joseph, but only because I accidentally said that he was voting Joseph when I meant Jake:
Ash, did you ever explain your vote on Joseph?
Did I vote for Joseph?
The only other people he directly mentions D2 are Jake and Roadrunner.
Ash Reread D3:
Note that Ash tries to stoke the "Iguana is a werewolf" theory early D3:
So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
If I'm his partner, he doesn't have a lot of incentive to do this.
Later he puts a little suspicion on Gkrieg and Teproc for being mafia:
Teproc was not on the list twice. So doesn't he pretty much have to be mafia by now?
And gkrieg. The two best town players in this game not listed either day?
Here Ash seems to ignore that Gkrieg was almost lynched several times in the game, so of course he would not be likely to be listed by mafia even if he is town or WW. We already know Ash was faking ignorance this game (when he incorrectly analysed how the NKs might play out and claimed he "just noticed" how the kingmaking rules favor mafia over WW). So his comments on Gkrieg read to me as very potentially more putting suspicion on a partner for something he knows isn't really a scum-tell. Reminds me of Ash's mafia play advice: "Suspect your partners, but for rubbish reasons."
Ash puts out his first real compelling case of the game, on Teproc:
Pretty sure the quickhammer would have happened by now if it was going to happen. Teproc's over-concern for it is super revealing.
I don't know. Like, Joseph is most likely scum and I don't think he's online. I guess I'm not sure a quickhammer is worth it for mafia right now, but I'd rather it not be a possibility before I'm done rereading. But sure, go ahead and argue that it makes me scum, I'm sure you can.
I do think you are scum, so I'm coming from a biased perspective. Fearing the quickhammer doesn't make you scum. Saying quickhammerquickhammerquickhammer makes you seem like scum signaling the quickhammer, though.
The funny thing is, why would mafia quickhammer here? They don't know if they are quickhammering WW or Town, and there are clear risks to both (not as much with town, I guess). Some outing of themselves could lead to town kingmaking for WWs at the least and outing themselves for a loss given the scenarios we've written out.
So the fixation gets more odd when you see that it's not that likely, either.
But all that considered, it's all just symptoms of what I perceive as the scumproblem. You, Teproc, are incredibly smart and intelligent and apt. You are saying things that are none of those things, and often. While not the only reason, a very possible reason for a very smart person to say very dumb* things is that they are forced to lie about their motives.
I think you know better, but have to put forward a certain persona, and you are doing it through moves that aren't working.
TLDR: you are better off saying smart scummy things than dumb towny things.
I think this case from Ash is enough to say Ash and Teproc are not both partners. I know I called it evidence of them both being mafia yesterday, but Ash flipping WW changes that. Mafia on D3 (in an advantageous situation) could afford to do a little bussing. Werewolves on D3 could not.
Conclusions:
JOSEPH - Ash does not mention him the entire game, except to say "Am I voting Joseph?" when I accidentally said he was voting Joseph instead of Jake. I think this makes Joseph very likely a potential partner of Ash.
GKRIEG - Ash puts some light suspicion on Gkrieg, which gains no traction - probably for good reason. Gkrieg is also potentially Ash's partner.
J REGGIE - Ash only votes J Reggie on D1 as RVS - could also be Ash's partner. The main reason I think he's not has to do with how other people, especially Teproc, treat J Reggie.
EEVEE & E - Ash literally never mentions either of them - both could be partners. The main reason I think they are not is because I think they are town.
TEPROC - Ash's best case of the game is on Teproc - Notably, though, Ash doesn't vote (or vote at all D3). All the same, I think Teproc is Ash's least likely partner.
Obviously these assessments may change when I do rereads of each of these players and get the other half of the picture - their comments about Ash.
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Someone explain to me why a werewolf spends all day saying that his partner is the best lynch for the day on D3 when no scum has been lynched yet, then votes to lynch his partner as soon as it is possible. Explain that, and maybe I'm not IC to all of you.
Until then, town needs to pay attention to what I say because I am the only source of information you can trust, and that one wolf who keeps not killing me -- basically, I am going to make you regret your at-this-point stupid choice.
Who is saying you are scum?
I think our reads (mine and yours) are starting to align. The biggest thing yesterday was your town read on Jake vs my scum read, and you were right
The werewolf was - Joseph.
I didn't really have a townread on Jake - more like yesterday I just wasn't convinced who the fourth town was and thought it could have been anyone among Joseph/Jake/Gkrieg/J Reggie.
WW killing Jake did me a huge favor for PoE.
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You realize that if Teproc is town and you're town, werewolf is in Eevee/me, right?
Dammit, I really hope e is not scum :( If he is, town probably isn't active enough to win :(
Dude, EEvee is scum. Werewolf specifically, so he's fine for today, but you're going to need to wake up to that at some point. Well, I do need to check for interactions with ash, but going off what I remember it makes sense. ANd I really, really don't think he's town.
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Also, yeah you're not a WW, we get it. Town gets paranoid about not-quite-ICs, and that's fine... in fact in this situation, town must get paranoid, even just as a sanity check.
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ANd yes, WW killing Jake was great for us. I take that as a sign that WWs recognize that we basically need to align for a while until we get to lylo... and looking at these posts, I think that makes even more sense for Eevee, whom people tink is town for god-knows-what.
I guess I'll skip the ash reread, I like iguana's and I don't have infinite time.
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Have you reread me yet, iguana ? Because if you have, I need to focus on convincing you I'm town.
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JOSEPH REREAD D1:
Opens the day by playing along with J Reggie's joke/"plan." Pushes me and Faust early, then sheeps Ash on Gkrieg.
vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
Makes sense. Vote: gkrieg
Makes some noise against the Jake lynch. Then moves his vote from Gkrieg to Robz, and pushes that case a bit. His next three posts switch his votes from Roadrunner, to e, to Faust.
If Joseph is mafia, then his D1 strategy is to hard ignore his partners in Teproc/J Reggie/e/Gkrieg.
If he's werewolf, then he's sheeping his partner D1.
JOSEPH REREAD D2:
Opens the day by suspecting Ash, then voting Ash in the next post:
Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
While I think ashersky is definitely not the worst lynch, I think we can do better. I do think this line of thinking is townie for eevee
Ditto this. This is a very abnormal ash game. And that makes me feel he's scummy.
I like a Vote: ash.
town!ash is always more engaged in the game. The lack of posting and lack of crazy game theory like usual seems somewhat scummy.
This is actually a decent case from Joseph. This might make more sense from mafia!Joseph than werewolf!Joseph. That being said, his first case of the day is likely to be ignored - so there's no safer time to vote a partner than first thing in the morning with a huge lynchpool.
vote: jake
Queue crazy OMGUS in 3....2....1....
Really? Jake strongly opposed what turned out to be a bad lynch
Why does that make anyone Town? Strongly opposing a scum lynch isn't even useful info due to multiball.
I just think his play is scummy and not matching his town style.
I missed this Joseph/Ash interaction in my Ash reread. A little arguing here over town!Jake (the main player Ash pushed this game). Not sure what if anything to glean from it though...
Yh I think RR was a WIFOM add scum move from the scum team.
Vote: RR
This would be a really easy position for mafia to take knowing that it's not true and hoping to get a wolf... Note that here he's sheeping my case, not starting a wagon himself.
Gkrieg is a crappy lynch.
Agreed
Joseph sheeps my defense of Gkrieg here when it looked like Gkrieg might get lynched. In the previous post he also suspects Robz for suspecting Gkrieg. He never states why he has a townread on Gkrieg, however. That being said, I don't think Joseph, regardless of alignment, likes to hop on a lynch on a person who is VLA, which Gkrieg was.
JOSEPH REREAD D3:
please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Joseph opens D3 arguing with e a bit, and warns us all about mafia being able to quickhammer. Note that the risk of quickhammer is a lot worse today than it was yesterday - today mafia can actually win with it.
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
He also starts his push for me as werewolf. Then he makes this PoE list:
Sorry, I've been busy IRL, and also having to think hard about who to trust in this game, as currently basically anyone could be mafia/WW.
iguanaiguana - seemed towny the first 2 days, but his reads have been poor and he's been on the list twice. Not mafia, but could be WW.
2.71828... - disagreed with a lot of what he's said this game. OTOH, I've been on 2 mislynches, and he hasn't. Not my top lynch candidate.
Joseph2302 - IC, definite town.
Eevee - was on the lynch list yesterday, so slightly less likely to be mafia. Could be WW though.
gkrieg13 - leaning towards scummy
Teproc - doesn't like me for some reason (#1351), and argued quite a bit with ash. Don't think ash & Teproc are on same team, which means at most 1 is town.
J Reggie - so away and inactive.
JaketheBaseballGod22 - leaning towards not town, but not 100% sure why
ashersky - he's getting engaged a whole lot more D3, but the D1 and D2 were so odd and unlike him. And I'll say it again, I didn't like the quickhammer D2. RR by then had become an obvious easy mislynch target.
Note the incorrect scumread on Jake, and how he backs off his previous scumread on Ash. Doesn't want to lynch me, e, Eevee; scummy on Gkrieg and Jake. Basically doesn't give reads on Teproc & J Reggie.
This list makes sense for mafia!Joseph partnered with two of Teproc/J Reggie/e, and also makes sense for werewolf!Joseph partnered with Ash. So, uh, that's unpleasant. It doesn't make a ton of sense for town!Joseph, though.
Then this:
I said it before, and I'll say it again: ash's behaviour this game has been odd. And I don't see it as towny at all. Contributing nothing D1 & 2 followed by quickhammering RR seems really anti-town to me.
Other people I think aren't that towny:
e - his reads have been polar opposite to mine all game. And he seems to think the RR lynch wasn't terrible, for some inexplicable reason.
JReggie- barely been in this game, and it seems like a possible scum/WW move to lurk to avoid scrutiny.
ii - people thought he was town, but he's been on the list & survived twice. That alone makes him quite likely to be WW IMO.
Vote: ash - if it feels good, do it.
So yeah that makes him a lot less likely to be werewolf. Hm.
And yeah, D4 start, Joseph is the first suggested lynch - so that makes him less likely mafia.
Conclusions:
Early developments make Joseph strongly look like he could be Werewolf OR Mafia, but later developments make him look a LOT less likely to be werewolf, and maybe not even likely to be mafia.
But, if he's town, one of my reads on e/Eevee is wrong. Hm. All in all, I don't think Joseph is the safest lynch today.
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Have you reread me yet, iguana ? Because if you have, I need to focus on convincing you I'm town.
You're last.
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I am pretty convinced that you are not town, though!
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I am pretty convinced that you are not town, though!
Well, I'd suggest being open-minded then.
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It looks like the main thing I can do to help us win is not get lynched at this point. I know I've played badly but I'm willing to answer any questions. I'm still pretty sure gkrieg is scum, but I guess it matters which kind.
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E, I think the best choices are Teproc/J Reggie. I like going for Teproc first so he stops trying to thoughtsteer everyone.
I'm planning on putting some major analysis work in during the next two mornings.
My reread of teproc yesterday really made me think he is town. I am really reopening the possibility of eevee being scum (still think you are town).
Right now I think:
Mafia
J Reggie
Joseph
Teproc
Werewolf
Gkrieg
Town
e
Eevee
Iguana
How am I a werewolf when we have seen one flip? How can that not change your mind?
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Looking at the wagons throughout the game (thank you Schadd for the page tops) gkrieg looks the mafiaest. Joseph and e make sense as partners for him. And I think one of Teproc or e is the other werewolf.
u welcome
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Looking at the wagons throughout the game (thank you Schadd for the page tops) gkrieg looks the mafiaest. Joseph and e make sense as partners for him. And I think one of Teproc or e is the other werewolf.
Wanna give like any reasons for this?
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Looking at the wagons throughout the game (thank you Schadd for the page tops) gkrieg looks the mafiaest. Joseph and e make sense as partners for him. And I think one of Teproc or e is the other werewolf.
Wanna give like any reasons for this?
Like what does it even mean to be the mafiaest
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
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Gut read is that Eevee, iguana, Joseph are the scums, but I have nothing to backup that claim and have been awake since 3:50 this morning Prague time, so who knows if it is right or not.
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
I think he's probably scum. If he isn't and II isn't, the scum can quickhammer for the win though.
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J REGGIE D1
His first reads post is a vote on Joseph for an "unannounced L-2" and he gets some heat for that.
His second interaction is to call Faust towny, and tell Teproc that his 'plan' was not a joke.
He puts suspicion on me for my "meta" post - saying "it definitely doesn't make you town like everyone is saying."
Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
This looks worse in light of his post #98 where he said "Faust looks towny." Another incongruency: It's an L-2 vote early in the day where he had just criticized Joseph for putting me to L-2 (although that was even earlier in the day - during pseudo RVS).
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
He puts suspicion on Gkrieg here. I still like this post - also think it makes them less likely to be the same alignment.
I'm never really a fan of lynching Jake. Could we try vote: gkrieg?
I would be a waste of a lynch. I'll probably be killed N1 or N2 anyway.
So you're saying you're mafia?
More suspicion on Gkrieg.
J REGGIE D2
Well, when I caught up I was pretty sure TWM was scum. So much for that. I guess I'll go back to vote: gkrieg with the intent to put together a good case tomorrow, when I'm more awake.
Opens D2 still voting for Gkrieg - promises us a good case, but I don't remember ever seeing it.
Want to point out, and no offense to Eevee, that the whole "f.ds doesn't get my playstyle" thing is more likely from scum. It's a genuine thing they can say that doesn't risk getting caught in a lie and is pretty good at derailing wagons. Definitely fos at Eevee.
Also puts suspicion on Eevee.
His only other contribution D2 is to say that I am "unfortunately town" who doesn't know how to play mafia well.
J REGGIE D3
Sorry for being relatively absent. I doubt I would've made yesterday go much better by coming on earlier but maybe a gkrieg lynch would have done the trick. I'm gonna have to reread D1 to see if I still think he's scum, and also if he's more likely to be mafia.
More consistent pushing for Gkrieg.
Hi guys, sorry I was absent for a while again. This will be my last mafia game for a while. I'm caught up now and have a few reads. I think since Jake's return he looks scummy. Would be happy to lynch him. Ash, Eevee, Joseph Gkrieg also on my scum list. But really, there are more scum than town now, right? So it's pretty unlikely we'll lynch town, which is the only way we lose the game today.
vote: Jake
Pushes Jake as his top scum. Yeah, that's not good. His other scums are werewolf!Ash, and unknowns Eevee, Joseph, Gkrieg. Putting Eevee (who can only be town or WW) and Ash (WW) and a Jake (town) on his D3 scum list seems to indicate that J Reggie is mafia...
J REGGIE TODAY
Looking at the wagons throughout the game (thank you Schadd for the page tops) gkrieg looks the mafiaest. Joseph and e make sense as partners for him. And I think one of Teproc or e is the other werewolf.
J Reggie is still pushing Gkrieg even today. Mostly this seems to indicate that Gkrieg/J Reggie are not partners - but with J Reggie lurking and no one paying attention to him this game, maybe voting and suspecting your partner while lurking all game is actually the safe thing to do so that you don't get tied together?
Conclusions:
So I'm pretty sure J Reggie is scum, and I'm not even 100% convinced he's not partners with Gkrieg. It's also possible though that he's the werewolf. He hard ignored Ash and Ash hard ignored him (and a lot of other people) all game. I don't see anything from either one that says "not partners" to me. Doesn't mean he's the most likely partner, though.
Another thing to notice is that J Reggie has very, very few interactions with any dead flipped players at all. Almost all of his reads and interactions are with people who are still alive. At this point in the game, that looks scummy.
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
I think he's probably scum. If he isn't and II isn't, the scum can quickhammer for the win though.
I didn't vote man, I just bolded his name so that he sees my question.
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Gut read is that Eevee, iguana, Joseph are the scums, but I have nothing to backup that claim and have been awake since 3:50 this morning Prague time, so who knows if it is right or not.
By scums do you mean mafia? I assume you do, because you listed three players.
If you did mean mafia, I have to say that it is completely ridiculous that you think that mafia put two of their own players on the kill list two nights in a row. WTF, how can you be serious?
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
I think he's probably scum. If he isn't and II isn't, the scum can quickhammer for the win though.
I didn't vote man, I just bolded his name so that he sees my question.
That's fine then.
FWIW, I can't see a town!JReggie narrative here, and he doesn't seem like the WW either. So he must be mafia.
I'm not against a lynch, just not yet. Let people make cases at least first.
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Gut read is that Eevee, iguana, Joseph are the scums, but I have nothing to backup that claim and have been awake since 3:50 this morning Prague time, so who knows if it is right or not.
By scums do you mean mafia? I assume you do, because you listed three players.
If you did mean mafia, I have to say that it is completely ridiculous that you think that mafia put two of their own players on the kill list two nights in a row. WTF, how can you be serious?
Oh ya. That's why you guys were cleared. Let me go back and look at some stuff I guess.
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Well my paranoia mafia team is probably not true. I could still see Eevee being mafia, though still probably more likely that it is like Joseph and J Reggie and e
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GKRIEG D1:
RVS votes me, unvotes me after a few posts and states a town read on me. Switches to Jake.
Puts Roadrunner at L-1 quite early. Doesn't state a reason. Although Roadrunner had just claimed scum.
Defends himself from Ash saying he got busy, and that's why he was active on a lot of wagons then disappeared.
Midway through D1 Gkrieg starts his own D1 reread, where he calls J Reggie town here:
Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
This makes me believe J Reggie is town for now.
and calls Eevee scummy here:
Oh, and VT here too.
This seems pretty scummy from Eevee. He has the post right above this one too, and it seems like a weird thing to include this way. I can't quite explain it though.
In this post, Gkrieg is trying to sort between a lot of D4 unkowns:
So right now, Robz, Eevee, and Jake are scummy. RR also belongs there for his "You guys got me" post. faust is also barely on that list.
I don't want to lynch J Reggie or e, and I'll give Teproc and iguana a pass. They seem to be active and moving the game along, but I'm not too sure on them.
Joseph is also usually a very quick person for me to read, and I'm slightly concerned that I don't get the instant town vibes that I usually get from him.
Man, the faust v Teproc thing goes on after it seems like it should be resolved. It feels like faust is trying to poke Teproc really hard intentionally, and it doesn't feel super genuine to me.
Here is an example:
I think that's just 5 votes?
faust, e, TWM, Joseph, ash and now gkrieg. It is L-1. Not a fan.
And there he breaks my opportunity to fake-hammer. Maybe we should just lynch you.
I'll stop at post 250.
Here, he has incorrect scum reads on Robz, Jake, Roadrunner, and Faust - but for what look like pretty decent reasons. Eevee's on that list too, and if Gkrieg IS town then it's pretty likely that Eevee is a wolf. Not so much if Gkrieg is mafia though. His pass list is all living players: J Reggie, e, Teproc, me. He also comments again on the early Teproc v. Faust fighting - but lands on the side of it that Faust is scummy. To me, these reads look pretty organic today. It's still a towny-looking post. That being said, I specifically remember losing a previous mafia game by not voting Gkrieg because he made posts like this as scum.
Unfortunately, after this big reads posts, Gkrieg has a lot of fluffy - I'm here but not doing anything type posts. Then, a naked vote on Roadrunner. Then, he switches to Faust - another naked vote.
Tries to push a switch to Eevee here:
Not a fan of the e wagon, not super psyched about the Robz wagon, although he is my preference with those two.
Eevee would be better, faust even better. Would anyone be willing to vote Eevee?
vote: Eevee
That doesn't take off, and he switches back to Faust and is on the Faust lynch.
GKRIEG DAY 2
vote: eevee
First vote of D2 is a continuation of his scumread on Eevee. More suspicion here:
Can we please lynch Eevee already? He just seems sooooo off.
Later D2 he mostly pushes Robz, then puts Roadrunner to L-1. After putting him to L-1, he says that he wants more time to reread, but doesn't unvote, and Ash then hammers. So Gkrieg spends all of D2 pushing now-confirmed town, and Eevee.
GKRIEG D3:
I had also forgotten that ash had fake-hammered RR before as well. I think that is slightly townie from him. I haven't really seen anything that is outside ash's town meta, but we should get a wagon going on him, just to make sure.
Is this maybe a bit of a wolf-scummy post from Gkrieg? Or is that too obvious to be true?
This is a very scummy post from Joseph, saying that the reason why someone is finding you scummy is valid, is a classic scum tell.
He puts a little suspicion on Joseph now - who he has barely mentioned up to this point.
Taking another look at the thread since no one seems to be interested in JR, I thought I remembered e being vaguely scummy but not really, though he does need to be more present.
Let's vote: Jake. Completely disappeared after his wagon did.
Teproc is definitely trying to scum hunt, so if he is scum, he is doing a pretty good job.
This makes me think Gkrieg & Teproc are more likely to be partners. Again, maybe too obvious though.
Couldn't you tell us what the post was, so we could analyze it for ourselves?
It is remarkable how many of these kinds of empty posts eevee has.
Another post suspecting Eevee, so his Eevee scumread is consistent throughout the entire game - I still think that pushing a lynch more than anything else for a player who can only be werewolf or town must be mafia-indicative.
Here's some late game reads from Gkrieg:
Faust/Teproc is the wolf possibility that is the funniest ^^
Another also, what do you think about faust/Teproc? I posted about them feeling not genuine when I read them.
I still feel this way, which gives me a scum read on Teproc.
Currently as of post #500, I scumread Jake, Joseph, Eevee. Slight scum on Teproc and e. Town on ash, tentatively on iguana. J Reggie is still pretty null at this point. I think his plan posts were townie, but then he stops being townie.
Again, having Town/Unknown/NotMafia as your three strongest scumreads on D3 is not good and kinda mafia-indicative. Slight scum on Teproc & e, two people who could be mafia is also partnery, especially since he has never voted for either of them. Town on ash is obviously wolfy OTOH. Null on J Reggie, meh : /
I'd rather go Jake if we are lynching a lurjer
vote: Jake
Not great :/
GKRIEG D4:
I think I only want to lynch Joseph, e, or J Reggie with a big emphasis on Joseph.
Gut read is that Eevee, iguana, Joseph are the scums, but I have nothing to backup that claim and have been awake since 3:50 this morning Prague time, so who knows if it is right or not.
These are weird and incongruent posts. The only one on both lists is Joseph, and there's no thought process behind why either of these sets of people would work as a team of mafia players. This is just not really how I expect town to be on D4.
Conclusions:
Gkrieg actually could be town, especially if Eevee is the other wolf. But if he's town, I think we're in a bad spot with his inactivity and lack of thoughtfulness.
He could also be the wolf. He was one of the only players actually calling Ash towny on D3, and had a few partnery posts with Ash.
He also makes sense as a mafia partner for several players, including Teproc, J Reggie, and e. Most likely he's not Joseph's partner. And despite what I said earlier, Joseph is most likely not a wolf either. So if Gkrieg is mafia, Joseph is probably town. If Joseph is town, Gkrieg should be town or wolf.
Anyway, Gkrieg confuses me. I don't think he's the best lynch today. Too uncertain.
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That's my last reread today. Still need to reread Eevee, Teproc, & e.
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
How could anyone possibly forget the one thing you have said more than anything else?
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
How could anyone possibly forget the one thing you have said more than anything else?
Sorry, I've been saying it because all cases on me thus far have been based on meta, and I'm saying that it doesn't make a very good case this game, especially when it is based on the fluffiness of posts or post count.
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
How could anyone possibly forget the one thing you have said more than anything else?
Sorry, I've been saying it because all cases on me thus far have been based on meta, and I'm saying that it doesn't make a very good case this game, especially when it is based on the fluffiness of posts or post count.
I get that lurkiness and V/LA isn't necessarily scummy, but both gkrieg and JReggie have been very quiet this game. I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is scum.
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
How could anyone possibly forget the one thing you have said more than anything else?
Sorry, I've been saying it because all cases on me thus far have been based on meta, and I'm saying that it doesn't make a very good case this game, especially when it is based on the fluffiness of posts or post count.
I get that lurkiness and V/LA isn't necessarily scummy, but both gkrieg and JReggie have been very quiet this game. I'm pretty sure that at least one of them is scum.
Thanks for an example so I don't have to go dig for one...
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Keep in mind that I was also V/LA for most of this game.
How could anyone possibly forget the one thing you have said more than anything else?
Sorry, I've been saying it because all cases on me thus far have been based on meta, and I'm saying that it doesn't make a very good case this game, especially when it is based on the fluffiness of posts or post count.
I was pretty specific that if you are scum, I think your lynches on town and defending of other likely scum players are what give you away. I even said your posts are towny but that isn't a town tell for you because you make towny posts like that as scum.
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Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
I think he's probably scum. If he isn't and II isn't, the scum can quickhammer for the win though.
I didn't vote man, I just bolded his name so that he sees my question.
That's fine then.
FWIW, I can't see a town!JReggie narrative here, and he doesn't seem like the WW either. So he must be mafia.
I'm not against a lynch, just not yet. Let people make cases at least first.
Can we just lynch Joseph ? "Can't see a town narrative" here is like "I have decided this person is a good mislynch for today, thank you for your assistance". Show us the process of how you arrived at that conclusion and maybe I'll start considering lynching anyone else today.
I still need to reread, but I just have no idea why everyone is convinced JR is scum. Decent shot he is based on PoE, sure. But Joseph is, like, 99% scum.
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So to answer the question about the claim, it was to catch knee-jerk reactions from scum. It didn't work quite as well as the fake scumslip in that RMM game (which caught Seprix) but at least it gave us something to talk about. People's initial reactions to that are telling. I remember iguana's being townie and ash and gkrieg's being scummy. Unfortunately we didn't get anyone softing a PR, but I that was like a stretch goal.
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But it was obvious to everyone right away that we don't have any PRos this game...
PRos
yeah you guys are a bunch of scrubs
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Big thanks to Iguana for the rereads and summaries!
Reggie's plan doesn't feel sincere to me, I just don't understand how you can glean any information from the answers. People aren't playing their first game here, and this is not IRL where you can stare people down (not sure if that's very useful either with experienced players, but that's another discussion). That pr comment is also very odd. Which faction would be most likely to actually think we have pr's? If it's faked not knowing, that's probably from scum, but for what? I don't think that's an alignment indicative confusion ultimately because it makes no sense for any faction, unless I'm missing something. I think I might just be seeing Reggie being himself as scummy in every game (which is obviously on me, not him).
gkrieg seeming to be ww-hunting or at least trying to cause paranoia about listed people (our most concrete piece of evidence) feels very clearly scummy to me. He is an analytical guy, feels very unlike him to basically abandon evidence here in favor of "gut reads" or "feel" or whatever you want to call it. I know I haven't had my best performance here, but badtown/=scum and I think towngkrieg would see that.
I think the people trying to question iguana's (and mine to a lesser extent, but I get that it's hard to trust a lurker) town status are the best people to lynch for today. I would expect the mafia QT has been dominated with discussion on how to avoid PoE. Got to imagine they dislike the people named being omitted from the lynchpool seeing how they can't really name themselves.
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Another thing to notice is that J Reggie has very, very few interactions with any dead flipped players at all. Almost all of his reads and interactions are with people who are still alive. At this point in the game, that looks scummy.
Why is this scummy ? I think it's rather townie in fact... scum (especially absent scum, which is what JR would be) can have a ahrd time interacting with their partners, and it's much easier to interact with someone like RR especially, but even with the strong townies like faust and Robz, just because you don't have to fake stuff, especially in this setup. Atually, didn't you say exactly this in your Joseph reread ? If Joseph is mafia, then his D1 strategy is to hard ignore his partners in Teproc/J Reggie/e/Gkrieg.
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Early developments make Joseph strongly look like he could be Werewolf OR Mafia, but later developments make him look a LOT less likely to be werewolf, and maybe not even likely to be mafia.
I'm leeching on your rereads iguana, because I don't really have time to do them myself. SO far what I'm getting is this :
Town:
iguana (will maybe reread)
e/JR (will definitely reread e)
Mafia:
Joseph
gkrieg ?
e/JR
Werewolf:
Eevee
I suppose it's vaguely possible that Joseph is a WW, which would be terrible... but it's the same for gkrieg, right ? Wait, no, gkrieg was off-wagon on ash while Joseph was on, so yeah, Joseph is definitely our safest lynch.
So really the clutch for me is e/JR... gkrieg I'm not entirely convinced about, but PoE means he's most likely scum... still would feel much more comfortable lynching Joseph today, because gkrieg can also be a WW if I'm wrong on Eevee... which I've certainly been in the past/recently.
So I will definitely lynch Joseph today, I think the chance of failure there is as low as can be. I'll let iguana finish his rereads I guess... and I suppose I should reread JR and e in case I see something completely different there. Probably gkrieg too.
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Nah, I still need to reread everyone, dammit. I don't know when I'll be able to do that though.
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Teproc, how do you respond to the following THREE accusations?
1) You are defending a lurker (J Reggie) in an extreme way, digging deep into what look like non-tells to me and calling them towny. How does this not look like you are partners?
2) You have consistently pushed that Eevee must be a wolf when there is no way you can know this for sure as any alignment (except wolf, which I assume you are not). In particular, you continued to push him in the exact same way on D3 and D4, when in between those days we saw a wolf flip. Why didn't Ash's flip give you pause to reconsider your wolf-reads?
3) You say big-meanie things to me to try to make me cry :'( :'( SO CLEARLY YOU MUST BE AFRAID OF ME!!!! :o :o 8) ::)
That last one is exactly half serious.
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Teproc, how do you respond to the following THREE accusations?
1) You are defending a lurker (J Reggie) in an extreme way, digging deep into what look like non-tells to me and calling them towny. How does this not look like you are partners?
2) You have consistently pushed that Eevee must be a wolf when there is no way you can know this for sure as any alignment (except wolf, which I assume you are not). In particular, you continued to push him in the exact same way on D3 and D4, when in between those days we saw a wolf flip. Why didn't Ash's flip give you pause to reconsider your wolf-reads?
3) You say big-meanie things to me to try to make me cry :'( :'( SO CLEARLY YOU MUST BE AFRAID OF ME!!!! :o :o 8) ::)
That last one is exactly half serious.
Obv!scum
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So Eevee can be treated as town for the next couple of game days, because he's either town or wolf and the wolf needs to work with town at least until we lynch two mafia. That being said, let's analyse whether he should be considered town proper or just a wolf in Eevee's clothing. Since the only thing we really need to figure out is if Eevee has partner-tells with Ash, then we don't really need to look at his interactions with everyone, unless something jumps out as alignment indicative for someone else.
EEVEE D1:
Unvote I'm not sure rewarding practically doing nothing is giving the right incentives, but when I asked for clarification from Jake for his vote, what he said was just what I thought town would say (while scum I think would have tried to justify it more).
I'll take the hammer stat.
vote: RR
Interesting no one has commented on this. Ash, you knew it was not a real hammer, right?
I think I like it it as a play, but ash being aware enough of the vote count but not more present as a player seems a little scummy.
Towny-looking analysis of Jake, and a somewhat hedgy comment on Ash that could be a partner-tell.
I like TWM saying his piece even after Iguana pretty much got the opposite conclusion from the same data in the previous page. I think if it was scum pushing a fabricated case, he might think twice.
To me, this is still a major-town-indicative statement, if not a full on town slip. As a wolf, Eevee knows that scum is not pushing fabricated cases because he personally is scum legitimately hunting for the mafia. So his brain just doesn't go there. To explain this for wolf!Eevee, he would have to be thinking about how town might not understand that, and try to emulate it. I don't think Eevee was trying that hard this game.
I feel like I should think faust is Mafia, given his reaction to me thinking Mafia could just not submit a list. Seemed like a specific knowledge type of response.
I meant it in a "don't submit your action" sort of thing.
mafia hunting is a ww tell?
Another maybe-partnery comment with Ash - like he's setting up an idea that could frame someone else as a werewolf later.
My understanding of the setup, from the beginning, was that mafia did not have to submit a list.
Iguaniguana thinking the opposite makes me suspect he is either WW or town, but not mafia.
+1
Not necessarily scummy to +1 a townie's statement, except that a wolf would want to +1 a statement that makes another person look likely to be a wolf. That being said, Eevee has leaned town when reading me, and not wolf in most cases. Which is towny. As a wolf, I think he tries to push that I am the other wolf at least up until Ash flips.
EEVEE D2
Hmm. Kind of surprised of the choices. As others have alluded to, Iguana and TWM were somewhat universally read as town, and my personal feeling of RR also being town makes it seem to me like mafia purposefully picked towny players for their list. Wouldn't mafia want to put their two WW-reads on the list? If they could keep the same guy on the list for multiple nights and they wouldn't die, I think it's a safe bet town would start to consider lynching them.
I think it's unlikely mafia put themselves on the list. FOS anyone not named!
This could be a wolfy post. If he has control over nightkills, he can set up the expectation that we have wolves on the list.
Then there is this series of posts:
I'm conflicted between voting for e or voting for J Reggie.
Actually, Vote: ashersky!! I just checked the player list, and I legitimately didn't remember he was in this game! That's so very unlike him.
It's got to be a big scumtell for ash not to receive any suspicion day 1, in this setup no less.
If Eevee is a wolf here, how confident is he that his vote on Ash will not get traction? His idea gets shot down by Joseph and e (who both end up lynching Ash D3, without Eevee on the lynch), but is he brave enough to post this about his partner and figure - 'Eh, it's the beginning of the day, probably Ash will be fine'? Not sure...
Then his response to people not wanting to vote Ash is to push Ash a little more, not to agree with them:
I don't think I came in with set opinions - I came in posting about my uncertainty between e and Reggie, and wound up voting for ashersky.
I'm surprised ash is flying under the radar like this. I also feel like Robz is yesyes'ing many things I'm saying, which makes me feel like he is buddying me, if you can believe that.
Then this reads posts puts Ash pretty squarely in scum territory:
Reads:
Town:
Iguana
RR
e
Teproc?
Going back and forth:
e
Robz
Scum:
J Reggie
Joseph
Ashersky
Jake
Gkrieg
There's no hedging there. If people join him on Ash, he's pretty committed to it. In light of D4, this is also a super-towny looking reads list. He's correct about me and Roadrunner, doesn't have Robz as scum, and his scum list includes one town, one flipped scum, and three people who are all very likely to be scum by now. Time will tell whether he's right about e and Teproc as well, but his hesitation on both of them is towny.
i would rather lynch gkrieg than robz.
j reggie and ash seem better than gkrieg still, though.
This is Eevee's last post of D2, still continuing to push for Ash. He's not present near EoD where RR gets lynched.
EEVEE D3
Well, the people who chose to lynch RR over gkrieg line up with my earlier scum reads, so most/only interested in lynching ash (I guess the hammer isn't as scummy from ash who loves his hammers so much, but still very dubious), gkrieg (least scummy of the votes, just had to for self-preservation), Robz (got his quicklynch I guess, boo!), Jake (I guess again less scummy of a vote because RR and Jake have a thing about lynching each other? Still booo!) or Joseph.
Town points to Teproc for the defending of RR late and voting gkrieg.
I don't like Iguana having voted for RR but people have different reads sometimes, him having been named twice and just generally making so many towny-seeming post that seem so hard to fake, still really think he is town.
This is another of what is either a town slip or a faked town slip. Eevee has Robz on his would-lynch list in his second post of D3, but Robz just died and flipped town. If he's wolf, he just killed Robz and knows Robz is dead. Note also that he has Ash as his first-listed lynch candidate. Not so partnery for D3. There's a little bit of hedging there, but only because he hedges of literally every person he lists. Eevee just rolled a D20 and got suuuuuper-town.
Vote: J Reggie
I know I haven't been a poster boy for activity either, but I feel J Reggie not posting a lot is keeping the heat off him.
Interesting inconsistency here that Eevee lists his 5 people he wants to lynch (really 4, because one is dead) and then votes for someone not on that list of people. Is he deflecting from Ash?
Giving gkrieg and Teproc a pass for trying to keep us going today seems fine, so to me J Reggie > ash/Jake/ > not so interested in others (Joseph is probably scum too?).
I like Teproc's point about gkrieg mentioning the scum wifom being suspicious, I think that makes sense.
D3 Eevee now has Ash as his second scum, and has changed J Reggie to his top scum. This could be wolfy. I still think it's bad for a wolf's long game to have your partner so high on your scum list though. After this, we have a sort of abrupt end to D3 and Eevee isn't around any more. Note he wasn't lurking, he was VLA.
Conclusions:
Uh, Eevee is 99% town.
1) If Eevee is the wolf, you would think he would push harder to frame me as the wolf. Other people have been doing it, and it would be easy for him to join in on that. Wolves need for other people to look like wolves so that when a day comes where we have to hit wolves or lose, they have someone they can plausibly vote for.
2) He looks a little partnery with Ash D1, but then D2 he is voting for Ash all day and D3 he has Ash as his second highest scum read. I just don't see this as the best strategy for a wolf this game. A wolf should be trying to hit mafia. When there's three mafia left in the game, they don't need to fool around with bussing their partner.
3) He town-slipped TWICE. The second one was even a lot bigger and more substantial than the first one.
Here's the wolf narrative for Eevee:
He's super active and thoughtful about the game, but pretending not to be. He's fabricating posts that look careless but actually have crafted slips in them that make it look like he's paying no attention to important things like the night kill. He could be searching for and trying to lynch the mafia team for massive town-cred, but instead he's playing the long game and wasting all day voting for his partner and suspecting his partner.
The town narrative is much more simple, and fits with the fact that he's been IRL busy and/or VLA through much of the game. Occam's razor, Teproc. Face facts.
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Here's another point for my conclusions on Eevee
4) Something you DON'T see from Eevee is explicit mafia hunting. Eevee is just looking for vanillascum all game; you never see him single anyone out as likely to be mafia in particular (except maybe in a couple theory posts D1). Contrast that to Ash's posts, where you do see explicit mafia hunting, and some others' posts, who are more likely Ash partners.
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Teproc, how do you respond to the following THREE accusations?
1) You are defending a lurker (J Reggie) in an extreme way, digging deep into what look like non-tells to me and calling them towny. How does this not look like you are partners?
2) You have consistently pushed that Eevee must be a wolf when there is no way you can know this for sure as any alignment (except wolf, which I assume you are not). In particular, you continued to push him in the exact same way on D3 and D4, when in between those days we saw a wolf flip. Why didn't Ash's flip give you pause to reconsider your wolf-reads?
3) You say big-meanie things to me to try to make me cry :'( :'( SO CLEARLY YOU MUST BE AFRAID OF ME!!!! :o :o 8) ::)
That last one is exactly half serious.
1) Why should I care ? I believe, or rather I believed JR was town, because I thought his play was townie. Just because you disagreed (and were probably right) doesn't mean I'm his partner. I'm not "digging deep", I'm disagreeing with your assessment. PoE says I'm maybe wrong, but I'm sitll not entirely convinced and would much rather not lynch JR today, make mafia chose if they want to put him on the list or not.
2) Because Eevee's play screams scum to me. And since he's been listed, that means WW. ash's flip has made me pause and think about whether that made sense (this was during the night), conclude that it did but I should check it out at some point, and then your reread confirmed it for me. I'm not 100% sure, obviously... but I'm fine assuming Eevee is a WW for today at the very least.
3) I don't intend to be mean of course, I'm just very, very worried. I'm trying to prepare myself to convince you I'm town, because it's seeming like this is what the game will hang on. Scum only needs one wrong vote to win, and so far it looks like you vs me is going to be that vote. I think if I can convince you, we stand a decent chance, so I'm focusing my efforts on you.
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Teproc, how do you respond to the following THREE accusations?
1) You are defending a lurker (J Reggie) in an extreme way, digging deep into what look like non-tells to me and calling them towny. How does this not look like you are partners?
2) You have consistently pushed that Eevee must be a wolf when there is no way you can know this for sure as any alignment (except wolf, which I assume you are not). In particular, you continued to push him in the exact same way on D3 and D4, when in between those days we saw a wolf flip. Why didn't Ash's flip give you pause to reconsider your wolf-reads?
3) You say big-meanie things to me to try to make me cry :'( :'( SO CLEARLY YOU MUST BE AFRAID OF ME!!!! :o :o 8) ::)
That last one is exactly half serious.
Obv!scum
Alright, just for due diligence I'll entertain this. Why ?
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Your (iguana) assumption that scum doesn't fabricate cases in multiball is, I think, wrong. I think my only scum multiball game was MOnsters UNiversity, in which I pushed a lynch on joth with a case that had some genuine aspects, but that I continued pushing hard even after I thought joth had responded to it in a very townie way. Lynching the other scum is nice, but - especially early on - I think the focus is still on lynching not-your-faction.
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I don't think I came in with set opinions - I came in posting about my uncertainty between e and Reggie, and wound up voting for ashersky.
I'm surprised ash is flying under the radar like this. I also feel like Robz is yesyes'ing many things I'm saying, which makes me feel like he is buddying me, if you can believe that.
This is a super-partnery post by the way, specifically the "ash is flying nunder the radar". If I'm ash's scumpartner and he is flying udner the radar, I'm very worried and absolutely want him to get some suspicion, especially early in the day. ash is never better than under a lot of suspicion. This is Eevee we're talking about, not some newbie scum, he knows what he's doing.
ash being listed among five other scum players is significant how ?
The Robz "townslip" is something. I'll give you that.
1) Eevee is too clever to push you as wolf. All he wants is to be PoEd as town, and you're doing all his work for him, why should he attack you ? You're his best ally now that he's lost ash.
2) Eevee looks super-partnery with ash
3) He has one townslip. Ok. It's literally the only nthing remotely townie he's done all game. NOt enough for me.
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It's insane to me that you conclude "99% scum" here. INsane. Lean townie because of the townslip, maybe, but you are confirm biasing yourself to death. I guess that could be said of me too... but I'm right.
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vote: Joseph
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Time for an e reread. I saved e and Teproc for last because of the amount of content I have to get through to reread them. Also, I get the clearest picture from the final rereads, and these two seemed like the most important to sort correctly.
Something on my mind for this reread is that e has not been put on the kill list any night despite what has looked like a strong town performance. I don't think e can be a wolf here - he scumread Ash through the game and then hammered him pretty readily first chance he got - that's not wolf play. So we need to sort him between mafia and town. Let's start by assuming equal chances of either one.
2.7 D1
E is pretty inactive (VLA) and mostly a non-content poster through the early D1 shenanigans. When he gets to his rereads, he comes to conclusions that still look towny on D4. Here are his conclusions:
So Robz. (read through 322 so far). He has popped in and out so far, and nothing to make me feel warm and fuzzy about him being town. He was kind of sort of against JR votes based on meta (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704302#msg704302), sheeped an opinion of mine without really investing himself (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704312#msg704312) anywhere (like as in, he didn't do votes (quick scan - his first vote is at 483 - haven't gotten there yet)), then continued with some friendly eevee sheeping (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=17339.msg704476#msg704476). Keeping an eye out for him.
summary through 322: Robz, Ash, faust, and JR all are coming off a little suspicious to me. Jake and RR are just kind of there with some weird posts that seem like they could be scummy but could also just be posts that make them mislynches. Iguana, eevee, and teproc are townie. Who am I forgetting? TWM, Joseph, and gkrieg. No real opinions yet. TWM is trying hard this game to not come off scummy like he has in the past. I don't think that is actually scummy, I think that is just him working hard to be more useful town. gkrieg and Joseph I don't know.
And of course, I am town
His list of suspicious players includes two town (who I think he suspected for good reasons for D1), one flipped scum, and one person who is likely to be scum. His analysis of Jake and RR is also pretty spot-on. He's sorted Eevee and me correctly right away, and has a pretty reasonable townread on Teproc. He's also correct reading TWM. If e is scum, why would he start by identifying so few of his potential partners as town and so many of them as scum or null? Doesn't make sense as a first stance for scum.
ok, finally finished reading through.
Want to lynch:
JR
Would lynch:
Ashersky, Robz, faust
Don't want to lynch:
gkrieg, Joseph, Iguana, Jake, RR, TWM, Teproc, Eevee
Vote: J Reggie
Again, this reads list is very organic. There's town in the would lynch list, and scum. I guess the only way it makes sense for him as scum is if his partners are in Teproc, Gkrieg, and Joseph.
The plan: 100% a town cred grab
The Joseph vote: way too easy
The faust vote: when you call yourself scummy (calling his own vote sheeping...although yes, not all sheeping is bad), you might just be scummy
The gkrieg vote: He calls gkrieg out for what he has been doing all game.
It isn't random. It is based on his play
This kind of hard tunneling and bearing down on your scum read can't be bussing, can it? e and J Reggie just are not partners here.
We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
Anyway, if you hate the RR lynch so much why don't we just lynch Faust?
We can, 10 minutes before the deadline.
I also think it is very towny how much e resisted going to his second lynch option (Faust) over J Reggie on D1. As scum, why? The only reason to do it is if you are trying to play the longest of long cons for major town cred at LyLo.
Bah.
Robz is perplexing me. I don't think I want to lynch him today.
I really don't understand why people are so against a J Reggie lynch, but I will abandon that for now since we have only 4 hours left. In fact, let me just re-think my entire life here.
New PoE:
1. iguanaiguana - town
2. Roadrunner7671 - don't want to lynch based on my reread
3. 2.71828... - nope
4. The_Wine_Merchant - definitely not lynching
5. Joseph2302
6. Robz888 - Like I said, perplexing.
7. Eevee - not today. Eevee is a bad lynch today
8. gkrieg13
9. Teproc
10. J Reggie - no one wants to lynch for some reason
11. JaketheBaseballGod22
12. faust - he is also being perplexing
13. ashersky
vote: jake
Iguana - Correct. Roadrunner - Correct. TWM - Correct. Joseph - Good odds of being correct. Robz - Correct. Eevee - VERY LIKELY Correct. Gkrieg - Good odds. Teproc - Good odds. J Reggie -still a scum read for him. Jake - Wrong. Faust - Correct. ash - Correct.
If we had just followed this PoE list, we would be in a much better situation right now. Also note that this list was totally against the thinking at the time - NONE of the people on his list had ANY votes on them, and posting the list even caused people to vote FOR him. Again, super impressive regardless of alignment. And as mafia, why make this list that highlights all your partners?
After e gets some votes, his response is towny too:
case on me? let me try.
completely absent all day until the end. Tries to get involved in the game, but no one really likes his opinions. Kind of scrambles around trying to get some of his scum reads lynched, no traction. The scrambling gives the sense that he is desperate and just wants to lynch anyone. Since he was absent most of the day, lynching him is kind of cool and a new idea that gets some traction.
This to me reads as town trying to think through why other town would want to vote for him. As scum, does he think like that? Hard to fabricate.
At the EoD1, e switches to Roadrunner, then immediately to Faust, out of self-preservation. This does not read scummy to me at all.
E D2
I think all three of the nominations for the kill were town
Again, impressive. And as scum, don't you want to fight the PoE?
yeah, ending up on faust was no good. Thanks for reminding me.
vote: J Reggie
Still pushing J Reggie on D2. He continues to scum-read J Reggie and push him somewhat on D2. He also fights VERY HARD against a Roadrunner lynch D2. As scum, why?
Meh, overall. As I said, I think the whole NK thing will be more revealing later in the game.
I guess I'm still on vote: e. Not so much for the stuff above, but because he feels like he's trying hard, and town!e never feels like that.
Ok. Yeah, there is nothing rally I can say to that. So basically I am tryhard!scum, right? I think there is plenty of historical data to the opposite going back to my first games like toy story. Recently my activity level has been lower, but I would argue is an accessibility thing more than anything. I also play 99% from mobile, so maybe I feel different to you because of that. (My end of day yesterday was from a computer, not going to hyperlink that much from mobile - too hard)
Does scum who got called out for exactly what they are put together this pretty authentic-looking defense? Maybe...
I think ashersky's lower than usual activity in this game means he is town.
I like what robz did, even if I agree with a few of his reads.
My thoughts (in no particular order):
Town:
e
Iguana
Ashersky
Robz
RR
Eevee
Scum:
Jake
J Reggie
Teproc
Gkrieg
Joseph
Again, e's D2 PoE list would require that he put all four of his potential partners as scum. If e is town, the only town on his scum list is Jake, and at least three of those listed are scum. If e is scum, his two partners MUST be in that scum list. E is going to go on to push Gkrieg after this, meaning that he's likely not partners with Gkrieg. The only way this list makes any sense is if his partners are Teproc and Joseph. But that doesn't make a ton of sense in light of how everyone else has played.
I reread the first 500 posts. I'm done. I have thoughts but I'll share them later when I reread the other half.
When do you think this will be done? I am interested in hearing thoughts as they come
e has consistently interacted with me, pushed me to reread, and challenged me more than anyone else this game. And he was always pushing me to re-evaluate my reads on J Reggie & Gkrieg, re-evaluate my reads on Faust & Roadrunner. Why push a town to question their own reads so much when as scum you know they are scum-reading people who are not from your faction? You can just let them lynch the towns and lose.
All in all, e had a super-townie D2. His only mistake was scumreading Jake. Everyone else he pushed is scum if he is town.
E D3
Town: iguana, eevee, e, X
Everyone else, scum
Continuing to stick with this when the PoE is getting worse and worse for scum seems bad for mafia. See for instance how Teproc has changed his tune...
Mafia:
Ashersky
J Reggie
Werewolf:
Gkrieg
Jake
Town:
e
Eevee
Iguana
Which leaves me a spot in town and a spot in mafia for teproc/Joseph. Haven't decided which is which. We will see how terrible my reads are after the game
I think the way things have shifted slightly in this list from D2, and now have more things incorrect than his previous list, is also towny. Again, this list only makes sense if e and Joseph are partners. But if the team is Teproc/Joseph/e, why would Teproc start D4 pushing so hard for Joseph when he could have an easy mislynch and win in J Reggie instead? It doesn't add up... e's town narrative is much simpler.
Note that e also pushes J Reggie on D3. He pushes J Reggie every single day.
In other news, I just reread Jake, and I really don't know if he is scum anymore. I mean, his reads are SO TERRIBLE the entire game that he can't actually be scum, can he? Anyway, if he is, werewolf, like I said.
I don't think that I support lynching him today though.
Who are the first four again ?
I had said Jake, Faust, e, Robz.
Rereading Teproc I stumbled on this. Iguana can't be 100% wrong here, can he? So Jake has to be scum, right?
Wow, the way e flipflops his read on Jake here looks towny! As mafia on D3 when PoE is getting worse and worse, why would you do this? You can't even control who wolves kill, so it's not like he was setting up to kill Jake and look towny for it.... Maybe if he had reason to believe wolves would take the bait on Jake, he would do that kind of gambit? The possibility just seems very remote. I mean, how likely is it that anyone even notices these posts later?
Not if they know they can get away with it (that's what happened with mail-mi in GoT and why it was on my mind, but certainly there are other examples, including any Awaclus scum win).
If it posts like scum, looks like scum, thinks like scum....might be scum. Teproc has done none of that this entire game. I actually have not been paying too much attention to Teproc at all, and I should have been. He has had some great posts and thoughts. Will not lynch today. Town.
Hm.
After this, e starts pushing Gkrieg again. He then states willingness to vote for anyone among Jake, Ash, J Reggie. I guess, if e is mafia and J Reggie is not, that makes some sense.
E D4
Maybe J Reggie is the best choice then :/
My biggest concern (based on that last post and that post alone) is werewolf!Reggie.
I could be talked into lynching teproc probably
So if e is mafia: wait, what? He's been pushing J Reggie for mafia ALL GAME. I finally come around to the idea that J Reggie is our best lynch. Instead of encouraging me for THE WIN AS MAFIA, he says "Oh, J Reggie could be a wolf. We need to think about that." WHY?????? The ONLY WAY this post makes any sense for scum!e is if e has actually been bussing his partner all game and now he wants us to back off of that.
Conclusions:
e/J Reggie partners - Very unlikely - e would have had to be bussing all game. Why?
e/Teproc partners - somewhat likely. e has been hedging on Teproc to be sure, and Teproc has been hedging back on e.
e/Gkrieg partners - Not very likely. The way that e pushes Gkrieg just does not look partnery at all. This is probably the least likely of things.
e/Joseph partners - somewhat likely in isolation - But if Teproc is the third, why would he open today pushing for Joseph? So that would mean e/Joseph/J Reggie and e has been bussing J Reggie all game? I don't think I buy it.
The biggest piece of evidence for e being scum is that he has played an awesome town game for four straight days and never once been on the kill list. If e is scum here, he is like Galzria-in-M100 scum, the kind of scum that looks so towny that he can't possibly be town.
We're not lynching e today, that would be stupid. But I can't just assume I can sheep e for the rest of the game and win either.
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Anyway, this is not the main subject for today. But I really don't have time to reread right now, and this I've got down, or at least I'm convinced I do.
PPE: Well, I agree (with gkrieg's vote), but please be vigilant, everyone.
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It's insane to me that you conclude "99% scum" here. INsane. Lean townie because of the townslip, maybe, but you are confirm biasing yourself to death. I guess that could be said of me too... but I'm right.
Actually what's insane is that you are trying to wolf-hunt on D4 where if we lynch a wolf, we lose.
Oh wait, you're mafia. So you have a different wincon and want the opposite of what I want.
Proceed, then.
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Your (iguana) assumption that scum doesn't fabricate cases in multiball is, I think, wrong. I think my only scum multiball game was MOnsters UNiversity, in which I pushed a lynch on joth with a case that had some genuine aspects, but that I continued pushing hard even after I thought joth had responded to it in a very townie way. Lynching the other scum is nice, but - especially early on - I think the focus is still on lynching not-your-faction.
You might be right that mafia fabricates cases on D1. Mafia doesn't want to lynch wolves D1 because they need to keep wolves around for a while to kill town for them. So they are fabricating - trying to get a town lynched.
But wolves want to lynch mafia. Their number one priority is to get mafia lynched. So wolves are not fabricating cases. If Eevee thinks scum is fabricating cases, he's probably not thinking like the only kind of scum he could be.
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Iguana's out for the day. Definitely don't have time to reread Teproc.
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Also, how have I changed my tune on PoE ? I think you'll see that I haven't.
I disagree that having correct reads is townie, but I agree e isn't mafia. He's the maaaaybe Werewolf if I'm wrong about Eevee, essentially.
PPE: Dude, figuring Werewolves out helps PoE. Also, I'm not worried for today. I think we're going to lynch Joseph and he's goingf to flip scum. What I'm worried about is the next day, when you'll want to lynch me. Finally, I need to do work for the other stuff, that I'm prepared to but can't right now, whereas Eevee seems pretty obvious to me.
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HEre's a hint for you: me disagreeing on literally everything with you does not mean we're different factions. You're making the same mistake I've made in the past with faust, or more recently with WW.
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It's insane to me that you conclude "99% scum" here. INsane. Lean townie because of the townslip, maybe, but you are confirm biasing yourself to death. I guess that could be said of me too... but I'm right.
Actually what's insane is that you are trying to wolf-hunt on D4 where if we lynch a wolf, we lose.
Oh wait, you're mafia. So you have a different wincon and want the opposite of what I want.
Proceed, then.
Seriously, this is infuriating. You know this is bullshit. YOu know figuring out the WW helps because he's one guy we know we definitely don't want to lynch. You know this.
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Sorry, very VLA. A week of 12 hour days renovating our extended family's summer house up north is concluding tomorrow, I'm taking the night train home 24 hours from now, will catch up then the latest.
I'm super confused @Teproc. How does me voting for ash most of the game make you conclude i have to be his lone partner? Can you give me some points to respond to? Legit all I see is you spinning anything I say as scummy. Doesn't feel good, man! (needless to say [hmm maybe not], townread on teproc is fading. Iguana's reads align with mine. Hard to see townteproc seeing things so differently, but i guess the biggest disagreements are often town on town. I have a lot of respect for teprocs mafia game and analysis (in general), so i'm mostly just confused as to what's going on.
Very much agree with Iguana's analysis. Too bad identifying one (or two if I'm right about e) town might not be enough. I'm souring on multiball.
Unrelated: I'm very blessed with great cousins and aunts. It's been a great week!
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It's insane to me that you conclude "99% scum" here. INsane. Lean townie because of the townslip, maybe, but you are confirm biasing yourself to death. I guess that could be said of me too... but I'm right.
it's you confirmation biasing us (maybe, or not?) to death!!
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Eevee, there's only three town. Trying to identify more than three would be uh bad.
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Eevee, there's only three town. Trying to identify more than three would be uh bad.
You should've let him do it.
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
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Gkrieg, your vote on him feels like a scum claim to me. Maybe try to defend it?
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Gkrieg, your vote on him feels like a scum claim to me. Maybe try to defend it?
How does it feel like a scum claim? Right now I know there are only two other town, and I think one of them is you/Eevee. Then the other one of you is ash's partner (I'm leaning Eevee atm). That means that there is only one other town, which means that between Teproc/J Reggie/Joseph/e, there is one town and 3 mafia. I'm leaning towards either Teproc or e being the town, with much more leaning on e.
The thing that makes me hesitate on e, is that he was pretty scummy with how he was throwing his vote around at the end of the day with you, which I think is pretty scummy because mafia don't really care at that point, as long as it isn't one of their own lynched.
Do you mean make a case on Joseph? I could definitely do that.
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So you think his partners are J Reggie and one of Teproc or e?
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So you think his partners are J Reggie and one of Teproc or e?
By POE, this must be true with one assumption; we believe that mafia didn't put any of their own people on the list. The town/WW group must consist of me, iguanaiguana, Eevee, and one more. So the three mafia must be three of J Reggie, Joseph, Teproc and e. The only one of that group that I haven't ever gotten townie vibes from is Joseph. Also, I think the lurkier people are, the more mafiay they are, because of daychat, so he really fits the best as mafia.
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Eevee, there's only three town. Trying to identify more than three would be uh bad.
Scumslip: Eevee still has one town to identify after you and e.
Only half-serious, but I think it's about as relevant as his townslips, at least the first one.
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I'm super confused @Teproc. How does me voting for ash most of the game make you conclude i have to be his lone partner? Can you give me some points to respond to? Legit all I see is you spinning anything I say as scummy. Doesn't feel good, man! (needless to say [hmm maybe not], townread on teproc is fading. Iguana's reads align with mine. Hard to see townteproc seeing things so differently, but i guess the biggest disagreements are often town on town. I have a lot of respect for teprocs mafia game and analysis (in general), so i'm mostly just confused as to what's going on.
You voted for ash... except when it actually mattered. That's as partner-y as it gets. It's of course possible you're unlucky town having a correct read on ash and the lynch on him just went through with you absent. But, based on your overall play, it seems much more likely to me that you're a WW.
Giving gkrieg and Teproc a pass for trying to keep us going today seems fine, so to me J Reggie > ash/Jake/ > not so interested in others (Joseph is probably scum too?).
I like Teproc's point about gkrieg mentioning the scum wifom being suspicious, I think that makes sense.
This is you on D3. ash is scum, sure, but no let's look at that other guy over there.
Now, again, you may be town. And hey, you have another day ahead of you to convince me of that, so good news. I'm told WW-hunting is a scumtell, so I'll move on now.
Gkrieg's vote on Joseph, aside from the fact that I agree, is interesting (hi Ichi). I certainly think scum is less hesitant to vote here... well, probably ? Is gkrieg a confident type of town ? I've gathered he's now considered one of the best townies around, this wasn't really the case when I was playing (he was just starting out, and I'm not sure I've even played with town!gkrieg actually, aside from Firefly). If so, I guess he'd be more likely than most to vote confidently in such a situation. Not sure.
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
It means one or both of Gkrieg and Joseph is/are mafia, which everyone should have already been able to figure out.
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If any town person votes Joseph because we haven't seen a hammer, that would be terrible. Gkrieg's vote especially before doing any rereading or considering possible mafia teams is more likely to mean he is mafia than Joseph and a bus is very possible too.
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If any town person votes Joseph because we haven't seen a hammer, that would be terrible. Gkrieg's vote especially before doing any rereading or considering possible mafia teams is more likely to mean he is mafia than Joseph and a bus is very possible too.
Well did you read my reasoning for voting Joseph?
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If any town person votes Joseph because we haven't seen a hammer, that would be terrible. Gkrieg's vote especially before doing any rereading or considering possible mafia teams is more likely to mean he is mafia than Joseph and a bus is very possible too.
Yeah, I am pretty sure his vote wasn't without consideration
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So now we kind of have a 1v1 between gkrieg and Joseph with the possibility that they're both scum. That's good, I think it's the first solid evidence we have on players (outside of list poe and wagon analysis). Maybe we could do like a fake-vote type thing?
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Having a 1v1 for does not mean we need to lynch among them today.
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Having a 1v1 for does not mean we need to lynch among them today.
It's not a bad lynchpool though. I guess you want JR.
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Having a 1v1 for does not mean we need to lynch among them today.
It's not a bad lynchpool though. I guess you want JR.
Right now I want to finish my last reread, look at vote counts, and dead town, but I think I want you.
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Great.
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Having a 1v1 for does not mean we need to lynch among them today.
It's not a bad lynchpool though. I guess you want JR.
Right now I want to finish my last reread, look at vote counts, and dead town, but I think I want you.
This is e, and I do not support a Teproc lynch today
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Not surprised
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
It means one or both of Gkrieg and Joseph is/are mafia, which everyone should have already been able to figure out.
Agreed. I think gkrieg has to be scum, and e is delibrately trying to push a mislynch now, as a scum buddy. They only need 1 town to vote for me and it's game over.
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
It means one or both of Gkrieg and Joseph is/are mafia, which everyone should have already been able to figure out.
Agreed. I think gkrieg has to be scum, and e is delibrately trying to push a mislynch now, as a scum buddy. They only need 1 town to vote for me and it's game over.
Why aren't you voting gkrieg then ?
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Don't see how e is pushing anything btw.
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
It means one or both of Gkrieg and Joseph is/are mafia, which everyone should have already been able to figure out.
Agreed. I think gkrieg has to be scum, and e is delibrately trying to push a mislynch now, as a scum buddy. They only need 1 town to vote for me and it's game over.
Why aren't you voting gkrieg then ?
Because it's a delicate situation, as 1 bad vote could lose it for us.
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Just read through eevee, and tried to find a scum narrative, but really couldn't.
Iguana, are you doing the teproc reread soon?
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Meh, impatience is a thing.
Vote: Joseph
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Teproc / e /Gkrieg look like very possible partners now.
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E, to quote your other partner:
You voted for [Gkrieg]... except when it actually mattered. That's as partner-y as it gets.
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Iguana, who is the last town in your little scenario?
Iguana/eevee/X
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Uh Joseph duh
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teproc, you should vote Joseph. It's a good place to be, trust me
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The longer my vote stays on Joseph, the better I feel about it.
Yes
What?
No scum quick hammer means Joseph is likely scum himself
It means one or both of Gkrieg and Joseph is/are mafia, which everyone should have already been able to figure out.
Agreed. I think gkrieg has to be scum, and e is delibrately trying to push a mislynch now, as a scum buddy. They only need 1 town to vote for me and it's game over.
Why aren't you voting gkrieg then ?
Because it's a delicate situation, as 1 bad vote could lose it for us.
Yes, but if you are town, either it is already lost (I'm town voting for town) or I'm scum. So really you should be voting for me. This is fake concern.
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teproc, you should vote Joseph. It's a good place to be, trust me
You need to provide an account of your play, now. You are joining your main scum read from prior days in a vote and courting another one of your scumreads to join both of you.
Explain yourself.
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It feels like iguana is looking for too many town.
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As in, I think he is the other werewolf.
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As in, I think he is the other werewolf.
No, I think this is overly careful and cautious town!iguana. I think he is overthinking it and just coming to some wrong conclusions. Which I think town does more often than scum
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As in, I think he is the other werewolf.
I'm sure you think I am the other werewolf.
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teproc, you should vote Joseph. It's a good place to be, trust me
You need to provide an account of your play, now. You are joining your main scum read from prior days in a vote and courting another one of your scumreads to join both of you.
Explain yourself.
J Reggie has been and will be my primary scum read. But we can lynch him tomorrow. We need the werewolf (gkrieg) working with us for now.
So I have no problem working with gkrieg today, and you shouldn't either.
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Possible teams:
e, Joseph, Gkrieg - Gkrieg Bussing
e, Joseph, Teproc - e Bussing
e, Joseph, J Reggie - e Bussing
e, Gkrieg, Teproc
e, Gkrieg, J Reggie
e, Teproc, J Reggie
- They could hammer Joseph and win.
Joseph, Gkrieg, Teproc - Gkrieg Bussing
Joseph, Gkrieg, J Reggie - Gkrieg Bussing
Gkrieg, Teproc, J Reggie
Can everyone please choose what they consider to be the three most likely teams?
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Possible teams:
e, Joseph, Gkrieg - Gkrieg Bussing
e, Joseph, Teproc - e Bussing
e, Joseph, J Reggie - e Bussing
e, Gkrieg, Teproc
e, Gkrieg, J Reggie
e, Teproc, J Reggie
- They could hammer Joseph and win.
Joseph, Gkrieg, Teproc - Gkrieg Bussing
Joseph, Gkrieg, J Reggie - Gkrieg Bussing
Gkrieg, Teproc, J Reggie
Can everyone please choose what they consider to be the three most likely teams?
Lol, there are only 3 teams possible without any one of me/e/Teproc/Joseph/J Reggie in them. So really this is only a question to you and Eevee!
And you left off J Reggie/Joseph/Teproc, which I think is the most likely.
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teproc, you should vote Joseph. It's a good place to be, trust me
You need to provide an account of your play, now. You are joining your main scum read from prior days in a vote and courting another one of your scumreads to join both of you.
Explain yourself.
J Reggie has been and will be my primary scum read. But we can lynch him tomorrow. We need the werewolf (gkrieg) working with us for now.
So I have no problem working with gkrieg today, and you shouldn't either.
I'm not sure why you are trying to subtly assert that I'm the wolf. I don't have any partner interactions with ash.
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Possible teams:
e, Joseph, Gkrieg - Gkrieg Bussing
e, Joseph, Teproc - e Bussing
e, Joseph, J Reggie - e Bussing
e, Gkrieg, Teproc
e, Gkrieg, J Reggie
e, Teproc, J Reggie
- They could hammer Joseph and win.
Joseph, Gkrieg, Teproc - Gkrieg Bussing
Joseph, Gkrieg, J Reggie - Gkrieg Bussing
Gkrieg, Teproc, J Reggie
Can everyone please choose what they consider to be the three most likely teams?
Lol, there are only 3 teams possible without any one of me/e/Teproc/Joseph/J Reggie in them. So really this is only a question to you and Eevee!
And you left off J Reggie/Joseph/Teproc, which I think is the most likely.
Maybe you can rank the possible mafia teams from your perspective?
Maybe we can switch to Teproc?
How can you think Teproc/ J Reggie / Joseph when Teproc opened the day saying Joseph is scum?
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Have your reads been very good this game iguana?
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They've been fine. Only difference is five scum all game are trying to undermine my reads.
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I like how I ask you three questions, you answer none of them and just join on the Iguana sucks bandwagon instead.
Screw you man, I am vanilla town and the only one this game who could ICE himself. I got my top lynch choice every day and lynched scum on D3 and for all you know I will lynch scum every day going forward. I played better than every single one of you.
Screw you to say that.
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They've been fine. Only difference is five scum all game are trying to undermine my reads.
I'm just trying to figure out why you weren't killed either night. Fwiw, I don't think you can be mafia, because you are a pretty high-risk person to put up. But I do think you are a WW for not being killed when put up twice.
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Ice ice baby 8)
Yeah, that was autocorrect
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They've been fine. Only difference is five scum all game are trying to undermine my reads.
I'm just trying to figure out why you weren't killed either night. Fwiw, I don't think you can be mafia, because you are a pretty high-risk person to put up. But I do think you are a WW for not being killed when put up twice.
Even if I am werewolf - which means egomaniac wolf who thought he didn't need a partner to win - you should treat me as town today because today the wolf and town have the exact same objective.
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I like how I ask you three questions, you answer none of them and just join on the Iguana sucks bandwagon instead.
Screw you man, I am vanilla town and the only one this game who could ICE himself. I got my top lynch choice every day and lynched scum on D3 and for all you know I will lynch scum every day going forward. I played better than every single one of you.
Screw you to say that.
I was just trying to figure out why you haven't been killed. I want to make sure that I'm not falsely thinking you can't be mafia, before I answer your questions about scum teams.
You already know my top team. My next most likely replaces Teproc with e, then I think it is unlikely that one of J Reggie and Joseph is town, so those teams would rank last.
I don't like voting Teproc first because I'm unsure of e/Teproc.
Teproc said Joseph was scum, but hasn't voted for him yet. That definitely doesn't count that team out. I know Joseph is scum at this point because the daychat mafia haven't hammered him, so I don't want to switch elsewhere.
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If you think about it, Joseph has to be scum, or e and I have to be partners.
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Or someone is bussing
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And you left off J Reggie/Joseph/Teproc, which I think is the most likely.
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Or someone is bussing
Then Joseph is scum...
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Or someone is bussing
Then Joseph is scum...
Clever
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Don't have time now, will come back tonight and look at the scenarios in which Joseph isn't mafia (don't think they're really believable but it needs to be done) just to make sure. The only thing holding me back is both e and gkrieg voting.... someone is bussing I think ? Anyway I'll look at this later today, I promise.
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So the only two assumptions I am making is that scum would quickhammer, which I think is reasonable, and that Joseph is not the other wolf.
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From my perspective it just looks like the scum team saw Joseph was on the Ash lynch and knew they couldn't frame him as wolf ever and that made him the best lynch to push today.
He could be mafia, but only scummy people are pushing the case.
e wants me think it's because he's town and gkrieg is wolf, but then he should be fine to switch to J Reggie or Teproc.
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Gkrieg thinks what? E is town, I am wolf, and the team is Teproc, Joseph, J Reggie.
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good grefternoon
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Vote count 4.1
Joseph2302 (2): gkrieg13, 2.71828...
not voting (5): iguanaiguana, 2.71828..., Joseph2302, Eevee, gkrieg13, Teproc, J Reggie
with 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. day 4 ends wednesday, august 2nd at 11pm forum time.
mod notes:
- 2.71828... is VLA until tomorrow
mod quotes
Looking at the wagons throughout the game (thank you Schadd for the page tops) gkrieg looks the mafiaest. Joseph and e make sense as partners for him. And I think one of Teproc or e is the other werewolf.
u welcome
But it was obvious to everyone right away that we don't have any PRos this game...
PRos
yeah you guys are a bunch of scrubs
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Gkrieg thinks what? E is town, I am wolf, and the team is Teproc, Joseph, J Reggie.
I'm not sure on e/Teproc. I'm only sure 100% on Joseph, but I'm also pretty strongly feeling that J Reggie is scum.
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Alright, I'm here. Looks like things haven't changed much.
How can Joseph NOT be mafia ? Let's see
We have :
iguana - Town, maaaaaaybe WW
Eevee - WW, maaaaaybe town
e - Very likely town, could be either kind of scum
gkrieg - Pretty likey scum, could be town
JR - Pretty likely scum, could be town
I guess it's not that hard, though it does mean e - or I guess Eevee - has to be scum.
Let's reread Joseph for starters.
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vote: faust
Yh Vote: faust seems decent right now
Right Joseph does this kind of stuff as town, which is why we haven't lynched him in this game.
vote: gkrieg I think.
Could just be normal life, but was active on lots of wagons and then disappeared.
Not a lot to go on, but interested to see a response.
Makes sense. Vote: gkrieg
More sheepage. Right, it was observed that Joseph voted in tandem with ash on day 1. Makes him pretty unlikely to be a WW, so that's nice.
Post count!
iguana: 45
Roadrunner: 18
e: 13
TWM: 36
Jospeph: 21
Robz: 21
Eevee: 17
gkrieg: 19
Teproc: 39
J Reggie: 15
Jake: 11
faust: 49
ashersky: 10
Quite balanced actually. 4 active people and the rest is all around the same number. That is not too helpful.
Woo I'm in the top 50% of posters.
And this really seems like an attempt to make posts without actually doing anything actually useful
Attacking faust for having an empty post is pretty ballsy. Reads more like paranoid town to me.
Worth noting that he stays on gkrieg as it becomes dangerous, and argues against a Jake lynch. There were a lot of wagons at that time, but still.
Just a heads up RR's at L-2
I think Jake is town.
He's trying to avoid silly lynch shenanigans from happening.
Yeah it'd be a real shame if we lynched someone... wait.
It'd be a shame if we derphammer.
Now this and the whole thing about announcing L-2 feels really fake. Don't remember it in smallville either.
Votes e but doesn't stay there long.
That was D1, I have to stop for a bit.
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The more I think about it, the less sense it makes for me to scum to include scum!RR in their list. Too dangerous to play WIFOM like that I think. He could be a WW I suppose, but I think he'd have put more effort in if that was the case.
Depends how risk-seeking the scum are.
They chose ii and TWM, both of whom seemed towny.
RR is a WIFOM on is he scum, or did scum think he was town or WW? I'm kind of null on it right now.
Eh. Feels like this should be indicative, but I can see it as paranoid town just as much as PoE-fighting scum.
He's also pushing ash early day 2, which I think iguana already noted. Yeah, not a WW most likely.
Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
I don't
Yh I think RR was a WIFOM add scum move from the scum team.
Vote: RR
Right. Forget the paranoid town part, this is scum fighting PoE, nothing else.
Keeps talking about ash. Probably because it's a genuine read, something he can feel comfortable talking about. He was right, too !
please stop calling the hammer stupid. It wasn't
It was.
Pretty sure there's not anything you've said this game that I've agreed with
Well we were on both mislynches and he wasn't and he didn't want Faust either so maybe you should be agreeing with him.
You've been on 2 mislynches & have been on the kill list twice but survived.
Either you're incredibly lucky, or more likely a WW
This is D3. This is really agressive against iguana which I think is townie in that only town is brazen enough to fight ICs like this generally... but feels scummy here, because the lynch pool is so reduced that scum probably has to be more agressive than normal to fight it, I think.
Sorry, I've been busy IRL, and also having to think hard about who to trust in this game, as currently basically anyone could be mafia/WW.
iguanaiguana - seemed towny the first 2 days, but his reads have been poor and he's been on the list twice. Not mafia, but could be WW.
2.71828... - disagreed with a lot of what he's said this game. OTOH, I've been on 2 mislynches, and he hasn't. Not my top lynch candidate.
Joseph2302 - IC, definite town.
Eevee - was on the lynch list yesterday, so slightly less likely to be mafia. Could be WW though.
gkrieg13 - leaning towards scummy
Teproc - doesn't like me for some reason (#1351), and argued quite a bit with ash. Don't think ash & Teproc are on same team, which means at most 1 is town.
J Reggie - so away and inactive.
JaketheBaseballGod22 - leaning towards not town, but not 100% sure why
ashersky - he's getting engaged a whole lot more D3, but the D1 and D2 were so odd and unlike him. And I'll say it again, I didn't like the quickhammer D2. RR by then had become an obvious easy mislynch target.
Town read on Jake huh ? That's surprising, but I guess he was suspected enough that it was a safe townread to have: Jake wasn't about to become an IC. Makes even more sense given taht he was then named: if Jake doesn't get killed, Joseph's read here actually looks like he's helping the PoE process by establishing Jake as town before the list even happens.
Then he votes ash, which, yeah, not a WW.
I don't actually have time to reread e right now, and I don't think I'll do tomorrow either. Joseph is definitely the best lynch for today, even the towny parts of his play don't look like town!him, specifically.
vote: Joseph
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And the speccy goes crazy! One more to lynch!
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So now, the team is all three of us, or Joseph is scum. Well once we wait long enough for a hammer from scum.
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So now, the team is all three of us, or Joseph is scum. Well once we wait long enough for a hammer from scum.
Well, everyone hasn't posted yet
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So now, the team is all three of us, or Joseph is scum. Well once we wait long enough for a hammer from scum.
Well, everyone hasn't posted yet
Well ya.
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If you think about it, Joseph has to be scum, or e and I have to be partners.
Exactly.
Vote: Gkrieg as you're scum for sure. It's the only reason I'm still alive.
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Well if J Reggie posts we know he is not scum unless he's Joseph's partner.
Also at least one mafia is voting Joseph even if Joseph is mafia.
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Well if J Reggie posts we know he is not scum unless he's Joseph's partner.
Also at least one mafia is voting Joseph even if Joseph is mafia.
Or a WW. More likely, someone is bussing.
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Well, I've given this a lot of thought.
Vote: Gkrieg
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If you guys are mostly town and Joseph is mafia, then you made a serious play mistake by ignoring everything I was saying and stacking your votes up while giving half-thought-through reasoning.
In a situation where 3/5 are mafia in a 5 person lynch pool, you shouldn't see the first three votes from the players who are suspect. It looks too much like teamwork. And you should know that, regardless of alignment really.
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If you guys are mostly town and Joseph is mafia, then you made a serious play mistake by ignoring everything I was saying and stacking your votes up while giving half-thought-through reasoning.
In a situation where 3/5 are mafia in a 5 person lynch pool, you shouldn't see the first three votes from the players who are suspect. It looks too much like teamwork. And you should know that, regardless of alignment really.
You really think that the team is me/e/Teproc?
You should reconsider, if you are town, because otherwise scum can now hammer me.
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Also my reasoning was not half-thought-through. The fact that you are calling it that is very surprising. You seem to never acknowledge that other people are thinking of the game other than you!
It's not like I've done nothing and just randomly voted. I had extremely good POE, and once I had voted and there was no hammer, I had 100% knowledge that Joseph was scum.
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Also my reasoning was not half-thought-through. The fact that you are calling it that is very surprising. You seem to never acknowledge that other people are thinking of the game other than you!
This.
Iguana. Please. Look at your rereads again. There is almost no way that Joseph is town. Or werewolf.
Please reread with an open mind. You didn't change any positions, you just read for confirmation bias.
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If you guys are mostly town and Joseph is mafia, then you made a serious play mistake by ignoring everything I was saying and stacking your votes up while giving half-thought-through reasoning.
In a situation where 3/5 are mafia in a 5 person lynch pool, you shouldn't see the first three votes from the players who are suspect. It looks too much like teamwork. And you should know that, regardless of alignment really.
No, you made the serious mistake not listening to us
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I think gkrieg is scum, he can't claim if he is the werewolf as I suspect (very interested to see the group of three scum put up for kill tonight).
I think the biggest thing we have going for us is that j Reggie is lurking so hard.
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Iguana: trust me on this one, we will do your lynch tomorrow.
Whatever you want
You have ignored me all game. I have had one wrong read, Jake. Everything else has been right. Listen to me just once, please
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Look at the rr lynch. It was terrible. You (and everyone else) totally ignored everything I had to say. You call that partnery?
I don't have partners this game. Town doesn't listen, Ann's I as no werewolf or mafia. Just the solitary voice of reason in the midst of chaos.
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How about j Reggie?
Vote: J Reggie
I just font want to lose today, and I am really uncertain about a gkrieg lynch
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Bleh autocorrect typos. You get the drift of what i am saying
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How about j Reggie?
Vote: J Reggie
I just font want to lose today, and I am really uncertain about a gkrieg lynch
Well if Joseph is town, I have to be scum. I don't really want to vote outside of Joseph, as I know he is mafia.
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Dude, this is insane. I do think gkrieg is mafia so I don't expect a quickhammer, but come on, you're taking risks for no good reason.
The lack of quickhammer with e and me posting confirms either JR or {gkrieg+Joseph} as scum I think ? Assuming Eevee is not mafia that is. I guess we knew that already.
e's panicking does mean he's almost certainly town, and gkrieg is almost certainly scum though, so there's that.
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How about j Reggie?
Vote: J Reggie
I just font want to lose today, and I am really uncertain about a gkrieg lynch
Well if Joseph is town, I have to be scum. I don't really want to vote outside of Joseph, as I know he is mafia.
Yeah, but we need town to work together. This is my olive branch to iguana.
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Well, we're debating lynching the three mafia I'm pretty sure. I do think Joseph is by far the safest and gkrieg probably the riskiest, but I'll go along with whichever makes you comfortable. I don't really care if we lose today or in two days... I think we're going to lose if e is mafia anyway.
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e you think gkrieg is the WW ? SO you also buy Eevee as town ? We might be in bigger trouble than I thought if that's the case. Well, either that or I'm wrong, I guess. I suppose we can discuss that tomorrow, if there is one.
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How am I almost certainly scum???
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I don't really know.
Haven't had the time over my v/la to really look back at it.
Werewolf/town/mafia exists in eevee/gkrieg/teproc. I don't want to have to make that decision until tomorrow
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Well, we're debating lynching the three mafia I'm pretty sure. I do think Joseph is by far the safest and gkrieg probably the riskiest, but I'll go along with whichever makes you comfortable. I don't really care if we lose today or in two days... I think we're going to lose if e is mafia anyway.
The fact that I WILL get wuickhammered unless iguana is mafia is something that should definitely alarm you.
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I don't really know.
Haven't had the time over my v/la to really look back at it.
Werewolf/town/mafia exists in eevee/gkrieg/teproc. I don't want to have to make that decision until tomorrow
I have this same situation, but replacing myself with e. Although I'm starting to doubt iguana's towniness.
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How am I almost certainly scum???
iguana, Eevee and e are almost certainly non-mafia, therefore you are almost certainly scum. Easy for me, harder for iguana and e who have to trust I'm town.
PPE: I can't do anything about it. Me trying to convince iguana of stuff hasn't worked once this game. Yes, he should unvote.
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I don't really know.
Haven't had the time over my v/la to really look back at it.
Werewolf/town/mafia exists in eevee/gkrieg/teproc. I don't want to have to make that decision until tomorrow
I have this same situation, but replacing myself with e. Although I'm starting to doubt iguana's towniness.
I think scum!iguana hammers there. Partner or otherwise.
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Whatever doubts you might have on iguana's towniness don't change the fact that he is not mafia.
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I don't really know.
Haven't had the time over my v/la to really look back at it.
Werewolf/town/mafia exists in eevee/gkrieg/teproc. I don't want to have to make that decision until tomorrow
I have this same situation, but replacing myself with e. Although I'm starting to doubt iguana's towniness.
I think scum!iguana hammers there. Partner or otherwise.
I'm not sure he does in this situation.
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Whatever doubts you might have on iguana's towniness don't change the fact that he is not mafia.
True, which means that you or e is mafia.
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But yeah. I feel like losing to scum!iguana is a risk I am willing to take right now.
That might change at a 2v1 lylo
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@werewolf
You see all the wifom and options we have. Tonight would be a great night to no kill. You will have to do it eventually.....
Haha
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Yes, that's where you are supposed to be as town. Weird that you're only coming to that now, but then again, you're most likely scum. I do not need this conversation any further if you're looking for an answer: there is none. At this point, all you cna hope for is that I somehow convince myself that e is scum. I doubt that'll happen, thuogh I'll probably have to reread him tomorrow just to make sure... but really the problem will be convincing iguana.
Funnily enough, this is DWII all over again, except in the role of skeptical!e, it's iguana this time around.
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Though I'll say e was less skeptical than this, we'll have a harder time this time around. But we'll get there, I think.
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Though I'll say e was less skeptical than this, we'll have a harder time this time around. But we'll get there, I think.
Hence the j Reggie lynch. Proves to iguana that we all (you, me, and gkrieg) aren't mafia together
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Yes, that's where you are supposed to be as town. Weird that you're only coming to that now, but then again, you're most likely scum. I do not need this conversation any further if you're looking for an answer: there is none. At this point, all you cna hope for is that I somehow convince myself that e is scum. I doubt that'll happen, thuogh I'll probably have to reread him tomorrow just to make sure... but really the problem will be convincing iguana.
Funnily enough, this is DWII all over again, except in the role of skeptical!e, it's iguana this time around.
I'm not just coming to that conclusion, but if you read that last page, you'll see I was already there, but I'm surprised that iguana voted for me, honestly. I also know that if his vote stays on me, one of you two is just waiting for J Reggie to get online so you can hammer. I was hoping one of you would just pop your head in for a bit and not stick around, but with day chat, it doesn't matter.
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Though I'll say e was less skeptical than this, we'll have a harder time this time around. But we'll get there, I think.
Hence the j Reggie lynch. Proves to iguana that we all (you, me, and gkrieg) aren't mafia together
I would lynch J Reggie at this point. Realizing that either Eevee is mafia, or he is. If it will get iguanas vote off of me.
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But yeah. I feel like losing to scum!iguana is a risk I am willing to take right now.
That might change at a 2v1 lylo
If he's scum he's a werewolf, we can worry about that in... like 2 days ?
3T, 3M,1W
If WWs kill, it's 2T,2M,1W and it's the same as today, so the werewolf is still our fuzzy friend.
If he nokills, it's 3T,2M,1W and I guess we get more security in our lynch, since lynching WW is fine there.
PPE: I can lynch JR today.... I'll do it if iguana switches. Don't want to vote right now because you know, conspiracy theories.
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Wait, conspiracy teories still apply if iguana switched.
I'll reread you (e) and see if I'm ready to take that plunge.
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Conclusions:
Gkrieg actually could be town, especially if Eevee is the other wolf. But if he's town, I think we're in a bad spot with his inactivity and lack of thoughtfulness.
He could also be the wolf. He was one of the only players actually calling Ash towny on D3, and had a few partnery posts with Ash.
He also makes sense as a mafia partner for several players, including Teproc, J Reggie, and e. Most likely he's not Joseph's partner. And despite what I said earlier, Joseph is most likely not a wolf either. So if Gkrieg is mafia, Joseph is probably town. If Joseph is town, Gkrieg should be town or wolf.
Anyway, Gkrieg confuses me. I don't think he's the best lynch today. Too uncertain.
Like, trust your own reads iguana. Seriously
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I think the issue is that iguana believes Joseph is town more ?
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Wait, I don't even need to reread. No, I do... right, a Joseph/e/gkrieg team hasn't had a chance to quickhammer yet, and could if I voted JR. So yes, let's take a look at e.
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But yeah. I just skimmed gkrieg, and I am really uncomfortable lynching him at this point.
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Ugh, day 1!e s super dismissive of votes on Joseph and gkrieg.
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Day 2!e immediately has them in his PoE of 5 players though. So this would need to be a mafia strategy of ultra-distancing from day 2 on... let's see what Joseph and gkrieg do with each other (and e).
Day 2!Joseph calls gkrieg a crappy lynch and that's it.
Day 2!gkrieg says nothing about either.
Yeah, I don't buy this as a scumteam. Why would e suddenly go into bussing mode while his two partners are still in early game ignore mode ? Daychat makes that discrepancy very unlikely I thinbk, the kind of PoEbussing e is doing is not something scum does just because they feel like it I think.
Alright. Well, I'm sorry if this loses us the game, but I'm fine calling the mafiateam as Joseph/JR/gkrieg. e is one of the guys I think can read reasonably well too, I really hope I don't have to add him to the Awaclus/faust list of "can only catch through partners/PoE"
vote: JR
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All three of you are here and posting. Joseph's vote is already on. The only way I'm wrong and a quickhammer wouldn't happen is if you guys need J Reggie for it and can't get him to log on and add his vote to Gkrieg.
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Also my reasoning was not half-thought-through. The fact that you are calling it that is very surprising. You seem to never acknowledge that other people are thinking of the game other than you!
It's not like I've done nothing and just randomly voted. I had extremely good POE, and once I had voted and there was no hammer, I had 100% knowledge that Joseph was scum.
Your reasoning was good. I was more talking about the other two.
e has never actually been able to produce a reason that you are werewolf. He just keeps saying it. Teproc rushed through a 'reread' on Joseph so that he could stack his vote on there.
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It is funny how I called the three of you out for being the team and you all scrambled around and ended up changing your vote to the other person that PoE hasn't ruled out yet.
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Why not go for J Reggie iguana? You can't honestly think both he and Joseph are town.
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I will make a case on Joseph.
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I think Joseph is town and werewolf is between J Reggie and Eevee.
That's what I think. Your brazen play has given me a lot of confidence in that guess.
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Plural you - again, Gkrieg is the convincing one.
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In all seriousness, I'm a VT
This is very scummy. He does this after others have done this and gotten towncred for it. Also the fact that VT isn't what is in the PM is exactly something that scum!Joseph would've overlooked. Also could be argued that town!Joseph would've overlooked it though.
He is agains the Jake lynch, because it happens all the time, but is not agains the RR lynch. His reasoning should apply to both of them.
vote: faust
Yh Vote: faust seems decent right now
Here Joseph gives text with his votes but no reasons. Scum wants to not leave naked votes, because those sometimes get pressure, but these kinds of votes usually don't.
Jospeh and e are only on the scummy wagons. It is thus proven that they are scum.
That only works if you agree with faust that those are the two scummy wagons....
Although interestingly enough, faust thinks the wagon on him was towny.
Well that goes without saying.
I should add that you're scummier than e because e always joined early when it wasn't really a wagon yet.
I'm scummy because I'm building wagons rather than jumping on them? That kind of makes sense. Although you're wrong about me being scum.
This is a classic scum defense, you are right about your reasoning, but your conclusions are wrong. You know that they are right about you being scum.
Ugh, not in favour of a jake lynch particularly. I've read the posts and not seeing a scum narrative from it.
This has no backbone to it. It is possible that he never actually did the rereading.
I slightly prefer Vote: Robz right now.
RR is just such an easy mislynch target.
And Robz really hasn't done anything helpful
Now he is against other mislynch targets. Again, this is a good position to be in as scum, because you can always say "see! I was right about the lurkers and the anti-town players" and you know they will get lynched anyway.
Vote count 1.7
faust (4): gkrieg13, ashersky, The_Wine_Merchant, Roadrunner7671
Roadrunner7671 (3): faust, Robz888, iguanaiguana
Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
gkrieg13 (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (3): Teproc, Eevee, 2.71828...
not voting (1) JaketheBaseballGod22
RR: (6) faust, 2.7, TWM, Joseph, ashersky, gkrieg
Comparing the current votes against the earlier L-1 wagon on RR is interesting. Apparently I am the only one still voting. It's interesting that TWM was originally on there when he now makes such a strong stance that RR is town. The majority of this RR wagon has since moved to me.
What this means it that it will be hard for me to push through an RR lynch today. I mean the people that have previously voted RR are now voting for me so they won't exactly trust me when I tell them to move back.
Anyway, it should be obvious the the wagon on me is the worst. Even if I was scum, I'd still be helpful in finding scum. RR and J Reggie did not show much intent to scumhunt. This also fits with my read on Teproc - scummy but we shouldn't lynch - which is, might I add, a supremely townie position to take, so you should all townread me.
I think this is how Faust is when he is voted for as scum. His post about RR is true, and I'm still surprised the earlier push of RR didn't go through, but I almost want to lynch Faust more today. That being said, he is doing more for us than RR ever will.
gkrieg saying he "almost" wants to lynch me more is slightly irritating given that at the point he is actually voting for me.
Actually, this is very interesting. Looks like more than enough people have voted for RR today that if they went back to him, he could get lynched.
Seeing as the e wagon was a non-starter, lets go Vote: RR
He says that he will focus his reread on RR, J Reggie, and faust, and he only ever posts anything about RR.
Not super keen, but Vote: faust seems the most doable lynch right now. It's 11pm here, so I'm going to bed. Won't be around for deadline
PPE: 2?
Once again, trying to not have responsibility for what he knows is a mislynch.
That's just D1.
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Plural you - again, Gkrieg is the convincing one.
But my play hasn't been brazen! The other two voted after me, something which I have no control over! After I had voted, the option was either that Joseph was scum, or I was scum, and they both sided on the side of Joseph being scum. I have no control over that!
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Vote: Roadrunner
I think RR is probably scum, but I sort of think we can do better at this point... gkrieg, Teproc, etc.
I don't
Yh I think RR was a WIFOM add scum move from the scum team.
Vote: RR
Now even more he is pushing an RR lynch, and trying to defend Jake. UoS once wrote an article on the mafiascum wiki talking about how when you are scum, you need to choose one town player to whiteknight super hard if you want to win as scum. This is exactly what Joseph has done.
So my thoughts right now are:
We're in a pretty shit position overall, as most of the scenarios from here don't lead to a town win.
Why on earth did unengaged ash suddenly decide to hammer RR? Seems kind of odd. And if he were town, he should've known a town mislynch was so bad there.
So someone explain to me how town can win and then maybe I will keep playing.
Lynch you? This seems unlike town!you. It's like a reverse me from M100.
Plus, listed twice and survived twice? I guess if you remain "towniest" in the game, the Robz kill was a mafia hunt? I fully expected to see you dead (no offense).
Vote Ashersky
There's the OMGUS I called!
That's for that stupid hammer
The hammer was stupid, but be careful with your voting.
Scum have daychat, and they could easily hammer a town. Which would end this game for us.
From this he is clearly not the partner of ash.
Sorry, I've been busy IRL, and also having to think hard about who to trust in this game, as currently basically anyone could be mafia/WW.
iguanaiguana - seemed towny the first 2 days, but his reads have been poor and he's been on the list twice. Not mafia, but could be WW.
2.71828... - disagreed with a lot of what he's said this game. OTOH, I've been on 2 mislynches, and he hasn't. Not my top lynch candidate.
Joseph2302 - IC, definite town.
Eevee - was on the lynch list yesterday, so slightly less likely to be mafia. Could be WW though.
gkrieg13 - leaning towards scummy
Teproc - doesn't like me for some reason (#1351), and argued quite a bit with ash. Don't think ash & Teproc are on same team, which means at most 1 is town.
J Reggie - so away and inactive.
JaketheBaseballGod22 - leaning towards not town, but not 100% sure why
ashersky - he's getting engaged a whole lot more D3, but the D1 and D2 were so odd and unlike him. And I'll say it again, I didn't like the quickhammer D2. RR by then had become an obvious easy mislynch target.
See here he even says that he doesn't know why he thinks Jake is town! Also if you look at his probably partners, Teproc and J Reggie, he doesn't give a definitive read on either of them.
I think I only want to lynch Joseph, e, or J Reggie with a big emphasis on Joseph.
Bad choice, Joseph is town.
Also, we need to be very careful with votes today- scum has daychat, so they can coordinate well to get a quicklynch if we start stray voting.
He says this multiple times. I'm always more "helpful" to town when I'm scum.
Faust seems townie here. To teproc: the claim thing wasn't a joke.
J Reggie: if the claim thing wasn't a joke, how were we supposed to catch scum by doing it? Let's put this to rest.
I think he's probably scum. If he isn't and II isn't, the scum can quickhammer for the win though.
I didn't vote man, I just bolded his name so that he sees my question.
That's fine then.
FWIW, I can't see a town!JReggie narrative here, and he doesn't seem like the WW either. So he must be mafia.
I'm not against a lynch, just not yet. Let people make cases at least first.
Would you still go for a J Reggie lynch?
Teproc, how do you respond to the following THREE accusations?
1) You are defending a lurker (J Reggie) in an extreme way, digging deep into what look like non-tells to me and calling them towny. How does this not look like you are partners?
2) You have consistently pushed that Eevee must be a wolf when there is no way you can know this for sure as any alignment (except wolf, which I assume you are not). In particular, you continued to push him in the exact same way on D3 and D4, when in between those days we saw a wolf flip. Why didn't Ash's flip give you pause to reconsider your wolf-reads?
3) You say big-meanie things to me to try to make me cry :'( :'( SO CLEARLY YOU MUST BE AFRAID OF ME!!!! :o :o 8) ::)
That last one is exactly half serious.
Obv!scum
And then there are posts like this. Super scummy to just call something scummy with no reasons.
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This is so painful
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Plural you - again, Gkrieg is the convincing one.
But my play hasn't been brazen! The other two voted after me, something which I have no control over! After I had voted, the option was either that Joseph was scum, or I was scum, and they both sided on the side of Joseph being scum. I have no control over that!
The thing is that since you have never been on the list, your vote just creates a 1v1. I was on the list every day - People know that I am not mafia. My vote already already means that possibilities where you are town require both J Reggie and Joseph to be scum. Once J Reggie posts (hopefully votes you), if we don't have a hammer, that confirms you as scum.
I'm voting you, I'm not mafia, and there's been no quickhammer yet. There's no better evidence than that. J Reggie and Eevee should both just vote you when they log on next time.
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Plural you - again, Gkrieg is the convincing one.
But my play hasn't been brazen! The other two voted after me, something which I have no control over! After I had voted, the option was either that Joseph was scum, or I was scum, and they both sided on the side of Joseph being scum. I have no control over that!
The thing is that since you have never been on the list, your vote just creates a 1v1. I was on the list every day - People know that I am not mafia. My vote already already means that possibilities where you are town require both J Reggie and Joseph to be scum. Once J Reggie posts (hopefully votes you), if we don't have a hammer, that confirms you as scum.
I'm voting you, I'm not mafia, and there's been no quickhammer yet. There's no better evidence than that. J Reggie and Eevee should both just vote you when they log on next time.
You realize what will happen is that J Reggie will vote me, then Teproc will go on for the hammer. If I were scum, my partners would've already bussed me, because there was no way that I was getting to the end anyway.
I would go for Teproc at this point if that would make you stop voting for me.
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I'm already voting you. Either Teproc or e could easily have sheeped me and made the hammer super-duper easy for J Reggie to take next time he logs on if they are the last partner. And I wouldn't have even been able to tell if it was scum setting up a quickhammer or town.
Instead, they both tried to convince me to switch to J Reggie.
Your play was fine, Gkrieg. But you forced a 1v1 and the evidence was not on your side with how Teproc & e behaved.
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Plural you - again, Gkrieg is the convincing one.
But my play hasn't been brazen! The other two voted after me, something which I have no control over! After I had voted, the option was either that Joseph was scum, or I was scum, and they both sided on the side of Joseph being scum. I have no control over that!
We'll see.
The thing is that since you have never been on the list, your vote just creates a 1v1. I was on the list every day - People know that I am not mafia. My vote already already means that possibilities where you are town require both J Reggie and Joseph to be scum. Once J Reggie posts (hopefully votes you), if we don't have a hammer, that confirms you as scum.
I'm voting you, I'm not mafia, and there's been no quickhammer yet. There's no better evidence than that. J Reggie and Eevee should both just vote you when they log on next time.
You realize what will happen is that J Reggie will vote me, then Teproc will go on for the hammer. If I were scum, my partners would've already bussed me, because there was no way that I was getting to the end anyway.
I would go for Teproc at this point if that would make you stop voting for me.
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Quote fail:
I said "We'll see."
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Iguana is playing a blatantly anti-town game right now
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I think I know how robz felt in chocolate factory as we ignored his reads.
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Iguana is playing a blatantly anti-town game right now
There is nothing blatantly antitown about my play at all.
Your voting Joseph without letting me finish rereading was almost 100% responsible for the way this day has played out. You should never have counted on me having an unshakable town read on you.
All of that applies regardless of your alignment.
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Iguana is playing a blatantly anti-town game right now
There is nothing blatantly antitown about my play at all.
Your voting Joseph without letting me finish rereading was almost 100% responsible for the way this day has played out. You should never have counted on me having an unshakable town read on you.
All of that applies regardless of your alignment.
The only reread you have yet to finish is teproc. I had already reread teproc. I was not going to be convinced. I had all the information necessary to vote.
Also, you are admitting that your vote for gkrieg is exclusively based on being peeved that you didn't finish your reread s.
That and the joseph/gkrieg thing.
Like, this is ridiculous.
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you are being reactionary, not even following your own reads, but following gut. I lost whatever game number where I governed correctly then lynched wrong immediately after doing that.
I don't want to lose this game
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This is evidence, not gut at all. The scum team absolutely wants to stack their votes up so that only one townie or wolf has to join them and they win.
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This is evidence, not gut at all. The scum team absolutely wants to stack their votes up so that only one townie or wolf has to join them and they win.
Town also wants to vote for who they think is scum in a 1v1.
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I've done 1v1 where I was scum with Joseph as town. You can look at that game if you want to see how different that is from this game.
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I'm already voting you. Either Teproc or e could easily have sheeped me and made the hammer super-duper easy for J Reggie to take next time he logs on if they are the last partner. And I wouldn't have even been able to tell if it was scum setting up a quickhammer or town.
Instead, they both tried to convince me to switch to J Reggie.
Your play was fine, Gkrieg. But you forced a 1v1 and the evidence was not on your side with how Teproc & e behaved.
It is easier if they wait for J Reggie, so that they don't have to leave me at L-1 for so long as obviously J Reggie isn't around right now.
At least you will know that you are wrong when J Reggie finally does log on.
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This is evidence, not gut at all. The scum team absolutely wants to stack their votes up so that only one townie or wolf has to join them and they win.
Town also wants to vote for who they think is scum in a 1v1.
That's what I did.
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This is evidence, not gut at all. The scum team absolutely wants to stack their votes up so that only one townie or wolf has to join them and they win.
I actually don't know why you feel so sure about your vote. I'm going to leave now and not look back at this game so I don't feel so angry.
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This is evidence, not gut at all. The scum team absolutely wants to stack their votes up so that only one townie or wolf has to join them and they win.
Town also wants to vote for who they think is scum in a 1v1.
That's what I did.
How about a different 1v1?
Me or j Reggie. No way we are on the same team.
Vote for one of us
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I've done 1v1 where I was scum with Joseph as town. You can look at that game if you want to see how different that is from this game.
I don't remember this. But I know you're bad.
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So of the two, I'm leaning toward gkrieg. The way the votes are stacked just makes so much more sense. But I don't want to be the one that lets scum quickhammer, since I've played so badly this game already.
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Shoot, I didn't see Teproc's vote! vote: gkrieg now, let's get this lynch through!
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vote: gkrieg
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Bummer
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Sorry Gkrieg, I was wrong.
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Sorry guys
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That's only 3 votes?
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Iguana, can you unvote?
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Gkrieg has 3 votes I believe
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Sorry Gkrieg, I was wrong.
What is happening?
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Unvote but Joseph voted
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Joseph, me, J Reggie then Teproc scum hammers Gkrieg. Game's over I think.
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Ok yeah.
Gkrieg, well played as werewolf.
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Hey, I was absolutely correct about everything today!
Yay for losing
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I'm off site again for a while. My record has just been shit. Why keep playing a game where I just let down my team every game?
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Teproc for MVP, he played a good game. Only knew he was scum by PoE.
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I'm off site again for a while. My record has just been shit. Why keep playing a game where I just let down my team every game?
I know the feeling man. But we like playing with you!
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@gkrieg, I did have a case on you for werewolf, i was going to wait for tomorrow because we still needed you to work with us for a little. basically your interactions (or lack thereof) with ashersky. That looks like it was a fun werewolf team. Trying to give you false hope thinking I would go eevee/teproc for the scum.
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Just double checked for Joseph"s vote, I think schadd missed it in a vote count but ot's there.
Indeed, e. You were right on basicallu everything
Would I have had a chance at lylo against gkrieg with you ?
Also, Eevee: you are indeed WW right ?
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I still think gkrieg is werewolf
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So I guess I didt stand a chance with you e. Eevee deserved to win, if Im right, though 1/1/1 going to mafia might have screwed him. I'm sure ash had a lot to say about that.
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I'm off site again for a while. My record has just been shit. Why keep playing a game where I just let down my team every game?
I think I take some of the blame for sure. I did a terrible job convincing you (or anyone) of anything all game. I just shouted "JR is scum" or "gkrieg is werewolf" without too much backup. Doesn't matter if I was right of I can't convince people to listen
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So I guess I didt stand a chance with you e. Eevee deserved to win, if Im right, though 1/1/1 going to mafia might have screwed him. I'm sure ash had a lot to say about that.
When I was exploring lynch scenarios yesterday I came to the same conclusion that mafia were over-advantaged with the end game scenarios.
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Well, mafia does get PoEd more easily. We are probably favored overall, yeah.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdTqpvF4LYFNWowNlZRdlVvUm8/view
I asked schadd if I could share this and he said i could, never ended up doing it because scenarios weren't the issue once i figured out we just had to lynch mafia/mafia/werewolf and we would be in a winning scenario. But yeah, mafia winning the stalemate scenarios was huge here.
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Well, mafia does get PoEd more easily. We are probably favored overall, yeah.
I mean, any scum is favored after mislynch town twice in a row. Lynching faust happened because that suddenly became the cool thing here at f.ds for some reason, but rr was terrible in my opinion
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I was not WW!!!!!!!!!!
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I was not WW!!!!!!!!!!
Haha.
Then eevee was
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I completely stand by the RR lynch. If he is going to be so anti-town, I will lynch him every time.
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Hah ! Looks like I was right about Eevee.
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But that was really why I did not want to make that decision today. I was not werewolf hunting. At all. I was trying to kill mafia.
I was actually kind of hoping for one more town death to help with PoE.
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I was not WW!!!!!!!!!!
Haha.
Then eevee was
Ya, which means that in the end my reads turned out really good. But sadly, they started bad and then I could never really reread to get them good again.
I'm surprised people wanted to lynch me after the entire game people were voting me with no actual case. That's what scum do!
Anyway, I'm obviously a little sad about this one...
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Also a reminder that faust is still a beast. Lool at his reads from day one, they're almost entirely on point. Lynching him was huge.
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But that was really why I did not want to make that decision today. I was not werewolf hunting. At all. I was trying to kill mafia.
I was actually kind of hoping for one more town death to help with PoE.
You would have been on the list, so... given Eevee being Ww, iguana would have survived, so you'd have died.
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But that was really why I did not want to make that decision today. I was not werewolf hunting. At all. I was trying to kill mafia.
I was actually kind of hoping for one more town death to help with PoE.
You would have been on the list, so... given Eevee being Ww, iguana would have survived, so you'd have died.
And then I could have just theorized from the speccy, where they probably had the whole thing figured out anyway :)
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Also a reminder that faust is still a beast. Lool at his reads from day one, they're almost entirely on point. Lynching him was huge.
Yeah, an end of day RR lynch D1 would have been much better
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Just double checked for Joseph"s vote, I think schadd missed it in a vote count but ot's there.
There hasn't been a vote count from schadd since I voted 19 hours ago.
But it is there. Unfortunately, since I'm good.
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Robz has 100% been calling for my lynch in the speccy btw. That kill was excellent for us.
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Just double checked for Joseph"s vote, I think schadd missed it in a vote count but ot's there.
There hasn't been a vote count from schadd since I voted 19 hours ago.
But it is there. Unfortunately, since I'm good.
Wait, Joseph is town?
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So is iguana werewolf?
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No.... that doesn't make sense
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Joseph is mafia with me and gkrieg.
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Joseph has to be mafia. Or iguana is mafia.
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Joseph is mafia with me and gkrieg.
Oh, then the game isn't over
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D4 Final vote count
Joseph2302 (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (4): Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, J Reggie, Teproc
J Reggie (1): 2.71828...
not voting (1): Eevee
with 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.
https://youtu.be/NtwIPP0iDcw?t=59s (https://youtu.be/NtwIPP0iDcw?t=59s)
don't know why i have to go
don't know why i can't stay
guess i want to be alone
guess i need to be amazed
save me a place
i'll come runnin, if you love me today.
i'll come runnin, if you love me today
gkrieg13 has been lynched.
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I am so confused.
Schadd, where are you?
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Well, i hope we didn't mess up, otherwise town wins.
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yoink
Oh there you are. Please flip gkrieg mafia. And town can win!
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took my love, took it down
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Sorry guys
Too many people apologizing!
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took my love, took it down
I have no clue what is happening. Please enlighten me. (Other than knowing gkrieg is in fact lynched. And not werewolf
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Also, if gkrieg is mafia, classic example of why no one should ever talk in twilight.
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I'm town.
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I'm town.
Ok. Good. Or, not good, but the game is over then
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Dude, this is insane.
i called this as scum from robz twice :thinking:
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Dude, this is insane.
i called this as scum from robz twice :thinking:
Which part ?
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Dude, this is insane.
i called this as scum from robz twice :thinking:
I just want a flip. It's not too much to ask, is it?
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Dude, this is insane.
i called this as scum from robz twice :thinking:
Which part ?
below from m98. i suppose i noted it as scummy once and then remembered it later
This has got to be one of the more insane Day 3s ever.
from just now
This is so insane.
from m90. similar situation
two scums from the same pod. word choice is a thing, people
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https://youtu.be/K_PQ4fRQ5Kc (https://youtu.be/K_PQ4fRQ5Kc)
well i've been 'fraid of changin cause i
built my life around you
but time makes you bolder, even
children get older
and i'm gettin older too
iguanaiguana has been endgamed.
https://youtu.be/rIzT2e90Tso?t=58s (https://youtu.be/rIzT2e90Tso?t=58s)
and i did hear what you said
now i can go home
all my days are blue
all my days are bright
red rover red rover red rover
we come we come we come we come
to take you over
2.71828... has been endgamed.
https://youtu.be/kNNrxQDFip0?t=21s (https://youtu.be/kNNrxQDFip0?t=21s)
could you ever need me?
would you even know how?
don't waste our time, tell me now
all you have to do
is speak out my name
and i would come runnin, anyway
and i said, could it be me?
could it really, really be?
over and over
Eevee, christine & john mcvie's failed relationship, has been endgamed.
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https://youtu.be/U_aYibUx1B8?t=13s (https://youtu.be/U_aYibUx1B8?t=13s)
rhiannon rings like a bell through the night and wouldn't you love to love her?
takes through the sky like a bird in flight and who will be her lover?
all your life you've never seen a woman, taken by the wind
would you stay if she promised you heaven? will you ever win?
J Reggie, rhiannon, survived and won!
https://youtu.be/sKj1EFeU-cM?t=29s (https://youtu.be/sKj1EFeU-cM?t=29s)
been down one time
been down two times
never goin back again
Joseph2302, substance abuse, survived and won!
https://youtu.be/p6Fdm3-dnr0?t=23s (https://youtu.be/p6Fdm3-dnr0?t=23s)
i know i got nothin on you
i know there's nothin to do
when the times go bad
and you can't get enough
won't you lay me down in the tall grass
and let me do my stuff?
Teproc, inner turmoil, survived and won!
https://youtu.be/2pZipYTm_9o (https://youtu.be/2pZipYTm_9o)
that's all for everyone
that's all for me
last call for everyone
must be just exactly what i need?
i cry for everyone
i cry for more
that's all for everyone
must be just exactly what i need?
MAFIA WINS!
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You have to unlock the thread too
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But thank you for the flip.
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Wait what, the mafia won?
I didn't expect that. Was sure gkrieg and I weren't on same team.
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Maybe one game I'll be mafia and actually be good at it.
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You have to unlock the thread too
u guys can do whatever
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Wait what, the mafia won?
I didn't expect that. Was sure gkrieg and I weren't on same team.
Yeah, mafia won. gkrieg was town, so you weren't on the same team, since you were mafia
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I did enjoy the setup. Would play again
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So... I can post now?
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So... I can post now?
Yes
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Okay. You people. HOW COULD YOU NOT FIGURE OUT TEPROC WAS MAFIA??? It was so obvious, he HAD to be mafia! Mafia didn't put him on the list three times! There was no alternative, I couldn't believe you didn't even entertain it.
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Okay. You people. HOW COULD YOU NOT FIGURE OUT TEPROC WAS MAFIA??? It was so obvious, he HAD to be mafia! Mafia didn't put him on the list three times! There was no alternative, I couldn't believe you didn't even entertain it.
I was too busy trying to lynch the two other mafia.
Also, on that point. Mafia never put themselves in the pool of possible kills, like I said D2
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songbird: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/dwei2uBq86E
mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/wKaLdiHXyL8
ww: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/udRACtHV4VE2
speccy: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/awPCmyRxCbAvz
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a couple people from MS think this is mafia-favored, i would also think so. but good game i think
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I still think teproc for MVP
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I still think teproc for MVP
I would agree.
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I hope to see you all in a game sometime when I can actually spend time on mafia. I was thinking of asking for a replacement but I managed to make it through. Although I think if I had lurked intentionally that would have been an OK strategy as well.
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Hah ! Looks like I was right about Eevee.
I knew about Eevee. I was trying to convince Eevee I thought he was town so he would take me.
I was right about Teproc. Was wrong on Joseph and that's what mattered.
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I still think teproc for MVP
I would agree.
Also agree. Whilst I'd like the MVP, Teproc definitely deserves it a lot more. Just read the Mafia QT, he was running this game for us.
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That was weird.
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As predicted, Robz calling for my lynch in the speccy. Though me not being listed after Day 2 wasn't that indicative, as people suspected me a fair bit, and after all e was never listed either and he's at least as common a NK as I am... though I don't think I received a single vote in the game, funnily enough. Not being listed on day 1 was a bit of a tell though.
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Heck
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I wonder how balanced this would be without daychat.
Daychat almost autocorrected to Faust there.
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I wonder how balanced this would be without daychat.
Daychat almost autocorrected to Faust there.
Yeah. Daychat I think was put in place for preordering the list, but I think 24 hour deadline for the list, 24 additional hours for the kill is plenty in my opinion. No daychat necessary
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the proc is MVP
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This game has had me on and off depressed since it ended. Reading both scum QTs definitely didn't help.
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This game has had me on and off depressed since it ended. Reading both scum QTs definitely didn't help.
Sorry :(
You played a strong town game, you just had some bad reads and confidence, which is good generally but occasionnally backfires.
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the proc is MVP
Thanks ! Don't love that nickname, but I hate most and I understand this is not a battle I'd win against you. It could be worse.
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dwayne "the proc" johnson