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[2.71828.....]

Ok, so.

Roadrunner, The Wine Merchant, Joseph, Jake, J Reggie and Ash all have some fairly high potential to be made into mislynch candidates based on uh history.

Then you've got Faust, Teproc, Ash, and Robz who have this reputation as great players. So when you vote for them D1, someone is going to say 'hey scum, stop trying to kill our bestest maybetowns!'

 I feel like Gkrieg and Eevee can get like an honorable mention in this category. Of course it's also fun how Ash is in both categories at once.

So after you remove the players who we better not lynch because we just always lynch them, and also remove the players who we better not lynch because hey we might need those guys, the PoE brings you to just me and e this game. The two who can hold their own sorta but aren't exactly raking in the MVPs.

At this point, I could vote e. I really could.  But the Jake vote honestly still seems better. So really the point is, let's just play the game and not fall into lynching based on bad meta.

e has been playing super strong as town lately, so I expect to see the same from him this game, and if not, I would gladly lynch him.

Man, now I can't let you down. Catching up on the thread. It's probably going to be a slow weekend for me

[2.71828.....]

Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide

Vote: RR

I won't let him escape this time

[2.71828.....]

"This time" in reference to the flawless scum win rr just had.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide

Vote: RR

I won't let him escape this time

Especially when they try and goad me into putting said person to L-1 so they can hammer and hide behind me getting all the blame.
vote: RR

[Joseph2302]

Why are we randomly running people up to L-2? Doesn't make any sense, but it is a great place for scum to hide

Vote: RR

I won't let him escape this time

Yh, seems like RR is pretty insistent on a quick lynch based on not very much.
That seems kind of scummy.
Vote: RR

[ashersky]

vote: rr for killing the faust wagon.

[Eevee]

I'm out for the day with a graduation party, but i'll tell you all why jake is scummy when i get home or tomorrow.

Also drunk ama in 6-8 hours!

Can't wait.

Meh, ended up staying late and going straight to bed when I got home.

Anyways, I didn't have anything gigantic really, just thought that Iguana's big post seemed townie (as has his later play!), and Jake seeing a wagon and joining after that, only to unvote when the wagon didn't take off seemed a little opportunistic. I don't see a town narrative for voting and quickly unvoting, seemed like his motivation for joining was "because there were votes already", not "Iguana seems like he could be scum".


No idea what to think of these quickwagons. They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.

[faust]

They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.

I have doubts.

[Teproc]

Don't like the Jake wagon at all. He seems like the kind of townie who just likes wagonning people.

vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.

The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves

Because you think faust is scum, or because you think scum!RR wants to appear townie by calming stuff down ?

If it's the latter, I disagree. If it's the former, join me !

[iguanaiguana]

They might be useful to look back at after some flips, though.

I have doubts.

Agree with this. If town acts like they can vote for anyone and it won't result in a lynch,  then scum will just vote for their partner without stressing it too much.

Also, three factions obviously means that scum is scum hunting. Especially wolves who have absolutely no reason to want mafia alive.

I could hammer, but there is more to discuss. Shouldn't we talk about optimal play for the naming mechanic? I feel like there is some theory talk to be had and maybe we can box scum in.

[iguanaiguana]

Oh hey I couldn't hammer. Somehow I started thinking it only took 5 to lynch.

[faust]

you are on team infidelity (werewolves)

you may talk with your partner at night in [qt] and make the choice (when there is no choice) of who to kill from the list provided by the mafia.

you win when you obtain a full majority, or when at least half of you are alive and one pro-town role is alive.

I think the game is already over.

EVERYONE HAS BEEN ENDGAMED

[faust]

I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.

Also, I expect to be part of the list.

unrelated but my name is earl mafia should happen at some point

[Teproc]

Unvote Get him to L-1 and I'll take the hammer stat

I guess I can see how that warrants a wagon, but it just doesn't seem like scum!RR's style to me, after Smallville. If faust is scum, sure, but otherwise I don't think scum!RR puts himself in that situation... in fact the more I think about it, the less this makes sense for anything other than RR being faust's scumpartner ? Which, vote for faust then.

vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.

The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves

This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But

I claim TV.

Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii

This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph

First of all, why would anyone announce L-2 there ? More importantly, this is an easy vote, really easy. Scum does want to scumhunt here, but it's not as much a priority as it is for town here, so half-hearted attempts like this one seems like where we'd find them. Probably scummier than anything faust has done actually, so vote: JR

[Teproc]

I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.

Also, I expect to be part of the list.

Wolves are less likely to read the setup in the first place why ?

Presumably the wincon they got into their PM was the correct one, right ? This would have been fixed already otherwise.

[Eevee]

Don't like the Jake wagon at all. He seems like the kind of townie who just likes wagonning people.

vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.

The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves

Because you think faust is scum, or because you think scum!RR wants to appear townie by calming stuff down ?

If it's the latter, I disagree. If it's the former, join me !

I'm suspicious of people willing to vote willy nilly here - for them the best case scenario is they hit the other faction and gain town cred. In multiball it's extra important for scum to have anyone but their faction lynched.

[Eevee]

"I want the hammer" reads to me as "I want the potential town cred for hammering scum".

It's a big difference to the usual games where scum knows they are participating in a mislynch when they vote.

[Teproc]

"I want the hammer" reads to me as "I want the potential town cred for hammering scum".

It's a big difference to the usual games where scum knows they are participating in a mislynch when they vote.

Since when does the hammerer get special credit ? It depends on the wagon obviously, but the hammer is generally the inevitable vote, the one that gets the least cred if there's any to be given.

I agree multiball is different, but "it's extra important for scum to have anyone but their faction lynched." isn't more true than in non-multiball: it's just that they usually don't care who gets lynched (as long as it's not them), as opposed to this where they probably want to lynch the other scum more than town... though I guess that depends on the scum.

[Teproc]

The difference to me is that they genuinely want to scumhunt, but they still don't care as much as town does (unless one of them is in danger). Hence JR being scum.

[Robz888]

I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.

[Robz888]

Well, let's ask. RR, why did you vote for faust there?

[Joseph2302]

I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.

Well it's 8/3/2 town/scum/werewolf. Even a random lynch has 5/13 chance of being non-town. This is higher than most other games.

[Joseph2302]

As long as people are actually thinking about it rather just jumping on wagons aimlessly, then it's okay.

[faust]

I'd like to point out how extremely non-wolfy I am since I just pointed this out now that I read the setup post again after iguana's post and did not do so earlier.

Also, I expect to be part of the list.

Wolves are less likely to read the setup in the first place why ?

Presumably the wincon they got into their PM was the correct one, right ? This would have been fixed already otherwise.

Oh come on, don't ruin it.

[Teproc]

I don't understand these quick wagons at all, but I'm not really against them.

Well it's 8/3/2 town/scum/werewolf. Even a random lynch has 5/13 chance of being non-town. This is higher than most other games.

What does that have to do with anything ? Being more likely to lynch scum shouldn't really change the way we go about it (aside from other multi-ball considerations I mean).

@faust: Sorry.