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[Galzria]

Aaaand... that's about all I have the energy for right now!

I'll be away/at work until around 11:30pm forum time, so don't go too crazy without me. I'll follow along on mobile, but don't expect much back from me until then.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Stuff

How does one look like an IC? And you think all four of those people are scum?

No, no, no.

Let's go point by point.

1) That's what I call "look like IC": You're active in townie way and lead the town and 90% of players townread you.
2) "Cuzz is hard to read, all those guys looking like ICs who are scum in the end" - I meant only Cuzz concerning this game, not all 4 people. "All those guys" is because there were many games where faust did the same thing, or Robz.
3) I don't necessarily think he is scum, it's just I an always wary about such players and I don't let myself be blinded by their activeness and towniness.

PPE: 5
PPE: 1 while typing "PPE: 5"

This seems pretty straightforward and Andrew's bafflement strikes me as incredibly disingenuous.

I'm still somewhat confused but whatever.

[AndrewisFTTW]

This gkrieg is the "ask single questions in response to posts about me as if I were faust" gkrieg.  So, in a word, scum.

I don't believe I do that as scum.  It's better than the absent gkrieg.

At least you aren't contesting the observation.

I don't know that you've done it on purpose as scum.  I do believe that you believe that when faust does it, he's towny.  And that you've internalized the notion of that action equaling townies, and that it could subconsciously affect your play.

I do think that it is townie when faust does it.  I also think that is because it gets information out of people that they otherwise can hide.  I think asking questions gives more chance of people slipping up than not asking questions.  It also just depends on the mood I'm in that day.

Sounds like scum trying to pass this off as just another towny day for gkrieg. Nothing to see here. Move along.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Again, I don't have the best explanation and it's more gut but it looks to me like ash points something out and you do the whole "you are correct, excellent observation. [insert very non-confrontational pro-town idea here]" thing. Not a lot of effort on your part.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Space, lalaight, and iguana will you do a reread of just twm and if you want me as well and then post your conclusions. I find all of you towny, and I find all of your votes in bad places.

On the other hand space if you would like to do a lalight reread and explain why you find him scummy I'll take that as well.

Eevee, jimm, 2.7, Gkrieg, still want you to weigh in on O (whose not ozzle, so I know less about him then I thought)

My LL vote was RVS. But even if it wasn't, the beauty of it being my vote is that you don't get a say in how valid it is. I also get alarm bells when players try to police others' play quite that much.

I'll have more time for reading later.. I'm at work from about 5am-2pm+ forum time, and in general this week that means being too busy to keep up with the thread during work hours, except maybe on a lunch break. Sorry if that's annoying for people :-(

Huh. PPE 61... that's what I get for trying to respond from work.

Hey space got strangely defense of me calling them out. I simple saw your vote on lalight whom I was viewing towny and hadn't heard from you in awhile so I was giving you something to discuss and hoping your vote could be added to a wagon that is currently relevant. I get alarm bells when players get defensive about explaining their votes. Would possibly vote space.

Space being defensive is not strange at all. I'm surprised you would take it that way.

[Cuzz]

slightly outdated post count as promised:

O   95
Cuzz   81
gkrieg   78
The_Wine_Merchant   68
mcmcsalot   61
JReggie   59
LaLight   55
2.71828.....   37
faust   33
pingpongsam   33
Awaclus   31
Dylan32   28
Galzria   26
ashersky   20
iguanaiguana   19
Eevee   17
JaketheBaseballGod22   17
RoadRunner   14
AndrewisFTTW   11
Calamitas   9
SpaceAnemone   7
sudgy   6
Jimmmmm   1

(had just finished this when i got bombarded with 90 minutes of office hours questions)

ppe: 45 ughh

[J Reggie]

Galz: it was the "serious vote" part.

That would be reasonable had you explained your vote. Or your reasons. Or anything really. Maybe it's just a different style of play - but doing things and then going back and putting reasons to them later is scummy to me. It gives you time to see how everyone else reacts, and then make your explanation adjustments accordingly. It's a lot harder to defend a stated position than it is to make one up later imo

I'm ok with this.  I did it like I did it for a reason; I wanted to see how TWM reacted.  Probably not the best play on my part but I wasn't thinking about not getting myself lynched, I was thinking about lynching scum. 

[J Reggie]

ok, if Awaclus isn't happening, I'll return to vote: mcmc

Agree with the vote, but it's a little early to be doing the "if x isn't happening, back to y".  So FOS: LaLight

[J Reggie]

So I'm at L-3 right now which is kind of bigger than it sounds with this many people.  If I get to L-1, then:
don't hammer me, I have a plan.

[LaLight]

ok, if Awaclus isn't happening, I'll return to vote: mcmc

Agree with the vote, but it's a little early to be doing the "if x isn't happening, back to y".  So FOS: LaLight

I meant actually that i have seen a thing that in my eyes was a scumslip, but no one tried seemed to think it is one, so I don't see a point. It was a weak slip anyway

[gkrieg13]

So I'm at L-3 right now which is kind of bigger than it sounds with this many people.  If I get to L-1, then:
don't hammer me, I have a plan.

Why do we have to wait until L-1 to hear such a plan?

[gkrieg13]

Normally I wouldn't ask such a question, but I think I remember you doing something like this as scum before

[J Reggie]

So I'm at L-3 right now which is kind of bigger than it sounds with this many people.  If I get to L-1, then:
don't hammer me, I have a plan.

Why do we have to wait until L-1 to hear such a plan?

It involves me claiming and I don't want to do that if I don't have to.

[Calamitas]

ok, if Awaclus isn't happening, I'll return to vote: mcmc

Agree with the vote, but it's a little early to be doing the "if x isn't happening, back to y".  So FOS: LaLight

I meant actually that i have seen a thing that in my eyes was a scumslip, but no one tried seemed to think it is one, so I don't see a point. It was a weak slip anyway

What scumslip?

[pingpongsam]

Want to vote andrew with me?

See, I thought we were doing that but then it looked like I was all alone, but yeah, I was already doing that before it was cool.

[mcmcsalot]

So I'm at L-3 right now which is kind of bigger than it sounds with this many people.  If I get to L-1, then:
don't hammer me, I have a plan.

Why do we have to wait until L-1 to hear such a plan?

It involves me claiming and I don't want to do that if I don't have to.

So what this means is don't hammer me until I can claim...like always...

[gkrieg13]

vote: J Reggie

[LaLight]

ok, if Awaclus isn't happening, I'll return to vote: mcmc

Agree with the vote, but it's a little early to be doing the "if x isn't happening, back to y".  So FOS: LaLight

I meant actually that i have seen a thing that in my eyes was a scumslip, but no one tried seemed to think it is one, so I don't see a point. It was a weak slip anyway

What scumslip?

Sorry, phoneposting so no quotes. find my vote for him and it's couple of posts above

[pingpongsam]

I think Reginald is L-3 which is normally not a big deal but there's a lot more potential votes floating around this game.

[Eevee]

Unvote

Even though Reggie just pulled something like this as scum, I'm not so sure he is here.

[Eevee]

Back to Vote: Andrew while I'm at it.

[sudgy]

I think Reginald is L-3 which is normally not a big deal but there's a lot more potential votes floating around this game.

What potential votes?  The only weird voting role I see is the Restless Sheeper.

[Eevee]

Hammer hero too.

[J Reggie]

I think Reginald is L-3 which is normally not a big deal but there's a lot more potential votes floating around this game.

What potential votes?  The only weird voting role I see is the Restless Sheeper.

Also, like, there are a bunch of players.

[sudgy]

Hammer hero too.

It doesn't get extra votes thrown around, though.  I was replying to PPS's worry that extra votes could come in.

[pingpongsam]

I think Reginald is L-3 which is normally not a big deal but there's a lot more potential votes floating around this game.

What potential votes?  The only weird voting role I see is the Restless Sheeper.

Also, like, there are a bunch of players.

Yeah, that.