Okay, so this is going to be 10-min exercise in picking out things that make me uncomfortable about Andrew's play, since he's complaining there's no scum narrative for what he's done.
1) Ho opens with a load of nonsense stuff, like voting a non-existent player and voting his one stated townread. That kind of play is really just designed to signal that he's a player we might not get straight answers from, and to me it's a bad first impression.
No, this is a signal that I'm playing a game, and I'm trying to have a little fun with the game I'm playing. Aren't I allowed to have a little fun? I mean if my first posts were like "Alright guys time to get serious. I think SA is scummy because..." etc., right now you'd be saying it was a bad first impression because I'm signaling that I'm trying way too hard to act towny or whatever. There's nothing I could've done here that would've pleased you, and that's ok. I'm not here to please you or even try to leave a good impression, whatever that means. I'm here to lynch scum.
2) There's also the "I'll be here making stupid comments in the meantime." thing at #83. Weirdly, he seemed to be talking some sense in between. Oh, and then #90: "And NOW I will resume the stupid comments." He's definitely working to establish himself as the type of person who won't let people take things too seriously, and as someone who prefers to take things seriously, he's really ringing my warning bells. None of this is directly scummy. Maybe it just explains some omgus on my part. I did deliberately say I'm looking for things that make me uncomfortable (rather than things that are definitely scum-indicative).
Again, I'm trying to have a little fun. But to look at them and say they're DEFINITELY part of my evil master plan to not take what I say seriously? Why the hell would I want anyone to not take me seriously? What is the point of doing all these rereads, responding to all of you about your suspicions on me, making cases, etc. if I didn't want any of it taken seriously? I don't understand this.
3) #127 -- talks about reading M88, which was covert affairs, and seems to be trying to bait Jake slightly. This is not pro-town.
I addressed the Jake part already but what exactly isn't pro-town about me saying I'm excited that Jake is in this game?
4) He's making a few slight pushes at Jake. #219 is another one.
What do you mean by "push"? Here's #219:
Jake can you auto /in to every game I join please?
Another joke, in response to his "I will hammer at 12:00 forum time". I just liked how he put it all out there and didn't care what anybody else thought about it. It makes things more interesting/fun.
5) #252: backs Robz's entirely wrong interpretation of why I was trying to question Jake.
6) #294: still legitimizing Robz's lies about me!
Here is #294:
Will SA lynch SA?
Anyway, I'll catch up on this later today. I hammered because I thought there was a high likelihood of PPS actually being scum but I guess was wrong. LaLight seems like a strange kill.
I also thought there was a high likelihood. I think hammering in that situation is pretty townie, actually.
I'm still not a huge fan of SA's naysaying. Vote: Space
You mean naysaying the wagon yesterday? Because I was doing that too.
Just because you disagree with someone's assessment doesn't mean the other person is lying. And I like how you go after me when I was actually trying to pressure Robz here, and not you.
7) #321: Makes up a whole narrative about why I was voting for PPS, which is utterly wrong. This was no case of "here's a scum narrative and here's a town narrative", it was a pure "SA did this set of things and look isn't it scummy" narrative. Votes for me, putting me up to an unannounced L-1.
Uh... I found your vote scummy so I voted for you. How is this a problem? Just because it wasn't up to SA's voting standards (i.e. don't vote for SA) doesn't mean I'm not going to put a vote down anyway. And yes, I missed that it was L-1 and apologized for it.
8 ) #338: Tries to find a load of things to disagree with in what I've been saying. Seems to lose interest when I show that I'm making actual sense, but he doesn't move his vote.
I didn't respond within 10 minutes so I guess that means I lost interest and/or was intimidated by your sense-making. Yup. You got me. Also enough with this L-1 nonsense. I didn't feel like moving my vote so I didn't and I don't care how many times you tell me I should've or how many times you complain or call me scummy for it or whatever, I don't regret it and it's a complete and utter non-issue. I can't believe you are still bringing this up.
9) #345: This is deliberate taunting! That post felt very annoying, because he's clearly flaunting the fact that he has the power to unvote, but has "chosen" not to pay any attention to my predicament. Then apologises about the L-1 without doing anything about the vote, which very much just rubs it in. The line a few posts later about "Speaking of slow, the line in this museum is ridiculous" (#351) seems designed for much the same effect of showing off about how much he's deliberately ignoring the fact I'm actually worried about being left at L-1. This is definitely not a pleasant or concerned townie way to play.
Here is #345:
I'm not choosing to ignore you, I'm choosing not to obsessively check in on this game and read and respond to everything immediately like I have done before, and I'm enjoying this slower pace. Besides, I've been a little busy. I'm about to walk into a museum right now!
Oh and sorry for the unannounced L-1, I didn't notice. I keep forgetting there are only 7 of us in this game right now.
THIS is taunting!? THIS? This post right here^? That one? Are... are you.... this post!? The.... I.... buh.... whaaa?
Ok I think I am slightly less flabbergasted now. Ahem. I apologized for not realizing it was L-1. I DID NOT and WILL NOT apologize for putting you to L-1. I don't understand why you are completely obsessed with this. I'm also sorry to disappoint you by saying my comment about being in line at the museum was, alas, also not part of my evil master plan. I was just super bored of standing in line at the museum. And no, I didn't care about you being at L-1 because I had a scumread on you and wanted you to be lynched.
10) #371: Still deliberately voting.
Yes.
11) #375: Now we add condescending to the list...
Yup, I'm rude and mean and rude.
12) #400: partial case on gkrieg.
13) #427: Reacts with a snarky "sure, single me out" response when I ask why nobody was considering Andrew in the question of whether to lynch Robz or Jake. It genuinely seemed like both Dylan and gkrieg had just forgotten about Andrew's existence in their PoE. In Dylan's case, he's engineered his narrative so that he's only talking about the on-wagon set, so neatly gets to leave Andrew off. The fact that Andrew himself didn't see the clear fact that he was missing from any of this could actually be a bit of a scumslip, since in his mind as scum, he'd only be trying to frame people who're actually town.
I thought you meant "why hasn't Andrew responded to this discussion yet?", so that's where the "sure, single me out" comment came from. Clearly I misunderstood what you were saying.
14) #432: Urgh, why does he keep picking at me in a critical way. It's not like I don't justify every single thing he picks at. It just feels like he's trying to find something to frame me with, having realised that he can make me annoyed and defensive, since I already know I tend to get mislynched more often when I get defensive (but it's a hard habit to break).
All I did was ask you a question! Here it is:
What haven't we talked about? D1 we just went around in circles until we realized we were accomplishing nothing. By all means if you think we need to discuss something else about the setup that we haven't touched upon, go for it!
Sorry.. just found this post half-written in another phone tab.
Things I think we should have thought through a bit more include the possible implications of putting so many fake and possibly-real night results out the there, and what this means for being able to catch scum out by forcing them to manufacture fake claims so early (this is one reason I expect scum!Robz would be dead against it), and what happened to gkrieg's follow-the-cop idea that didn't get fully talked about in D1. There's tons of theory stuff, really. I guess I'm too used to having Calamitas or silver or those sorts of people around, since they're usually also quite interested in that sort of speculation.
I think if a town PR was confident he caught scum he would say so. I don't think a scum fakeclaim would get them very far. But anyway, if you're so concerned with all of this how come you didn't bring it up D1 instead of now?
And besides, like I said I had a scumread on you and I wanted to ask you questions and get some more responses from you.
15) #484: reads Jake's post as a townslip. This would be easier to do for a scum who knows for sure that Jake is town, since to town it actually doesn't look much like a townslip at all. Even Dylan picked up on that a few posts later.
I don't think you can fairly say that "town would do this, scum would do that" in any situation. I really don't buy into that at all.