Sorry for the super messy post, here it is cleaned up a little:
Catching up on the last couple pages.
Wagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Yeah, I'm convinced. Not necessarily that scum is doing this this game but that narrowing the lynch pool to those off wagon sounds like a great idea, but it requires you to not pay any mind to anything wagon related, which would be a mistake I think. Besides that, I don't think anyone off wagon is really that scummy.
vote: mcmcWagon manipulation is the easiest scum tactic. If you're own lead the hunt off it. If you're off lead the hunt on it.
It seems sensible to gullible town either way. I tend to view wagon hunting techniques as scum tactics entirely although clearly I still have to consider wagon compositions for my own analysis as town but try to do so in as much of a vacuum as I can muster.
Any thoughts on the UB claiming? I haven't seen a downside other than potentially losing a 1-shot Governor tonight and that doesn't seem terrible to me.
Woah I don't think ub claim is good. Mainly because it's nowhere near claim time. And the ub can reverse there own lynch now with the governor shot.
When is claim time? I'd like to set my alarm so I don't miss it.
cool. alignment, though
I don't know. The hammer didn't seem super towny, but people who know PPS better than I do are writing it off as something he does so I don't know what to make of that. Nothing else is screaming scum so I really have no idea.
Can someone who has played lots with idp let me know if he is always this cautious and scared to have an opinion. This is textbook newbie scum continually claiming they are trying but just don't have great reads ect. ect. But it maybe idp has t played lots and mislynched town really badly in a newbie game and is all shell shocked and stuff.
I don't think this is a newbie scum move, there have been games where I had no strong reads for almost the whole game. This could be especially tough for a new player.
Starting to think I'm really not cut out for this game. Because nothing makes any sense. Ever. I've yet to have a correct read. Sure, I've gotten alignments correct, but that'll happen statistically and something's always been off.
Not sure what to think about this. Yes I can sympathize with what he's saying but this isn't his first game. BUT I could see him saying this on his first game as scum (is this your first game as scum?).
I'm pretty much null on ICPjuggalo but I'm leaning town enough to be very hard pressed to lynch him today.
i hope you realize that this is having your cake & eating it if you two are partners
hopefully, you realize that were I scum I simply would never say such a thing about my partner.
Would you quickhammer town D1 as scum? I thought it'd be best to ask you first.
So I just reread the entire game, and mcmc and eevee seemed way too buddy-buddy for mutually town-reading each other if you didn't actually have something concrete to assure you the other person was also town. Even when I am town reading someone, I recognize the fact I could be wrong and take everything with a grain of salt, but you guys don't seem to have done that at all. So I wouldn't definitely want to lynch one of the two of you. Also, after the hammer on Joseph, there were 3 conftowns (to me) on mcmc's wagon. Andrew and PPS were the last two on that moved if I remember correctly. If mcmc is town, then I would want to lynch one of Andrew or PPS; not sure which yet, but would lean Andrew just because pps has seemed otherwise towny aside from the quickhammer (which, again, he would definitely still do as town, sadly). If mcmc is scum, I'd stake my in game life on Eevee being scum too.
I haven't really noticed mcmc/Eevee buddying specifically. To me it looked like mcmc was buddying a few people, especially with that whole private twilight study group that he created for some reason, putting the FOS on IDPTG (I think) for posting during the study group's allotted time. Can you post a few examples you found of them buddying? Also, you have 3 conf!towns? What? Who and why? And your reason for lynching me if mcmc is town is because "pps has seemed otherwise towny". So there's nothing you find particularly scummy about me, I just happened to be the L-2 vote and that's enough? So confused with this whole thing.
Someone was wanting to know what I thought about the suspicious on me I think. I think given how low my post count is, it is at least understandable, but from the little experience I have, lynching low post count people hits inactive town WAY more than it hits lurking scum, because scum is more careful to contribute at least somewhat regularly. I would probably go so far as to speculate that statistically scum is most likely to be in the mid-range band of post counts because they know lurking is the stereotypical scum tell, but higher post counts are more risky (but also can pay off more; e.g. scum!mcmc driving--if not this game--previous games).
According to this lurking is stereotypically scummy, so scum is usually in the mid-range of post counts, unless they're very active like scum!mcmc in previous games. Ok. I'll agree that we should just be targeting lurkers just because they're lurking but I don't think we are. We were looking at people off wagon and all 3 of them happened to be lurkers of some sort. I know this might upset TWM but I think my definition of lurking is a little different than yours, though I could be wrong about it.
Twm you just seem to be overly concerned with where we are looking for our lynch target. This is why I would consider you a lurker. Rather than commenting on if you think one of idp/dylan is scum, or making a case on someone on wagon you have just voiced concern over where we are looking.
Perhaps you have a good theory, scum is trying to coerce town into lynching between a small group of people that contains town. That's a thought, then you need to go through and do the work, see who has initiated the off wagon suspicion, who has agreed/disagreed, have the votes of those players and the prior reeds of those players been consistent with what they are currently pushing or not. Then present that info to town so we can analyze see if we think your right and maybe form a wagon on someone
That makes sense. I get what you are saying, but man, I just haven't had the time to go and do the work. Especially when I feel like when I come on, I have to defend myself to an extent from people who want to arbitrarily lynch a "lurker" who was off-wagon.
I would love to go back and actually see if my theory makes sense and I hope to at some point today, unless someone decides it is a good idea to do a quick hammer again.
And honestly. I just haven't seen a whole lot on first read that has really caught my eye. Last game, it was easier to an extent. I could just force it as scum. Arbitrarily decide something was scummy or sheep someone else and then state it as such and all was good for the most part. This game, between being town and having little time it hasn't been very optimal to putting reads out there.
So I don't want to turn this into a debate because it's not helpful but here's my main issue with this. You say it's frustrating because when you do come on you feel like you have to defend yourself from people arbitrarily wanting to lynch a lurker off wagon. Okay that's understandable but let's do the work, who's arbitrarily saying we should lynch off wagon, I want to lynch off wagon because of the very specific and quick way that the Joseph wagon came to be, in my opinion it is different than many wagons and we will have a better chance of finding scum off wagon. Now let's do the work and see how you defended yourself, well you basically just apologized for lurking you didn't explain maybe why you were off wagon yesterday or any other real defense. Then you go on to say you would love to go back and see if your theory works and say you hope to today. Why does that feel to me like you are not going to have the time today, and then you will feel the game has moved on too far past where your analysis would help and that's where your wrong. If you are town I don't want you getting stuck in a rut thinking you don't have the time to craft a case because by the time you put it together it will be irrelevant. If it means you will post content, post whatever the content you have, when you have it, don't waste time worrying it's not going to help or thinking you should be catching up and talking about current things.
The part I bolded jumped out at me. Why does TWM need to explain why he was off wagon yesterday? Do Dylan and IDPTG need to explain it too? Or just TWM?
By the way I was rereading a little and found this:
i would like to lynch eevee
I think I get why but I'm curious for you to elaborate, I actually have eevee as towny currently.
i would prefer not to elaborate at this time
Do you still feel this was schadd? If so would you elaborate and if not would you at least tell us what you were thinking at the time?