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[Jimmmmm]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.

Clearly it's up to the Vig and not worth talking too much about, but I think it's generally accepted that early game Vigs are generally anti-Town, and later more informed shots are better.

[Eevee]

I think an unconventional takeaway might be that some of the best players should be lynched more often day 1, as they'd be harder to figure out and and more capable of misleading the town later if they had rolled scum.

I do not generally agree with this approach. Not all "good" players are equally good at being scum as they are at being town. I think it's possible that it's better to lynch people on Day 1 who are just hard to read in general. In this game, that's probably going to be UoS and harbinger, since I've never played with the latter and I haven't played with the former in ages and ages. I don't like to lynch true newbies on Day 1, though.

WW is also sort of hard to read, I guess, in my opinion.

WW is a great example of someone who is very good, and very very hard to read.

[Eevee]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

[Dylan32]

Wow ya Dylan is definitely scum.

Why?

I think his emotion was off on that post I mentioned earlier, and I think this weird sheep vote is also out of character for him.

I was going to vote LL after rereading anyway and voiced agreement for the previous vote. I didn't actually intend to suggest that the prior vote led me to that conclusion, although looking back I definitely see why you see it like that.

[Robz888]

Okay so about the setup.

We have a Jailkeeper who I'm sure is smart enough to figure out how to use their power and we need not talk about it.
We have a Vig who as we know should not shoot until at least the mid-late game.
And we have a Named Townie who has dreams of catching scum but will probably never happen.

Scum have a Rolecop which should help them PR-hunt quite a bit.
If they get a JK, it may be helpful for them given the PoE they will have already been doing.

Ultimately the best thing we have going for us setup-wise is the possibility of blocking a scum kill. As I said, this doesn't really need to be talked about any further, so for now we should pretty much treat it like a vanilla game and focus on scumhunting.

Just saw this and I'm not sure about the "vig-not-shooting" part. We are an even number of people so shooting should be at least worth consideration. I think the extra info on D2 would definitely be useful and I don't think the potential benefit in regard to odds by waiting until the night before MyLo is worth the risk of having a town-controlled kill less. So overall I think the vig should shoot here.

Calamitas making setup-theory posts I don't agree with is very much his town MO.

[Robz888]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

LL also blended in early in Mafia 90 and we advanced the case that this made him scum. But we (me, Eevee, WW) were scum making that case, and LL was town.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

Meaning i am one of the best players? Well, thank you, but no. I am still town. Do you have any case?

I remembered you being a more visible player in all of the previous games we've played together. This time I think you've been blending in a little more, which could be scum playing more cautiously than your usual, bolder town-playstyle (which I think you've even said before - the "I wouldn't have said/done that if I was scum" - defense, I could be wrong about that though).

I am less active lately due to much IRL stuff happening, mostly new job and the fact I am not active on weekends ever. I hope I will have time to reread and step up today.

[LaLight]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

[Eevee]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

[LaLight]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

[schadd]

harbinger has failed to respond to prods and is being replaced.

[Robz888]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

I agree.

[Witherweaver]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

Delayed OMGUS!

[Witherweaver]

Wait, DOMGUS.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I actually agree with Calamitas on the theory issue, but it's also not worth talking about.

I want to hear Gkrieg's reasoning for the "definitely."

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

[2.71828.....]

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

As someone not voting for LaLight, I disagree. 

It wasn't harmful to town and I'm glad to be out of RVS, and I think WW is wrong about that being a bit ridiculous about that being "a classic scum ploy."

This is what got my vote:

That was a rvs joke i was thinking about the game even started, that would be funny if the flavor will be weird and non-popular just because scum cooperated for choosing it. Actually i helped us out of rvs luckily.

LaLight seemed serious and as soon as he got any criticism he's trying to play it off as a joke.

There is always the classic "all jokes are scummy" that some people believe (or used to believe) in.  There is some historical data that backs it up (I have totally played free and loose as scum making jokes and such) but also some historical data that refutes it (I have also made jokes as town).  The question is whether LaLight makes jokes here.  Looking at his first post (the one that brought this all up) I tend to think that this is more town!LaLight making pseudo-serious joke post about flavor.

[2.71828.....]

Well, I have reread and saw that WW jumped on every wagon so far. I expect scum!WW to be more cautious I think. i don't know, mostly people are null tome. I am comfortable with my vote on Dylan tho.

I don't think that's a safe assumption. WW is really great at getting away with stuff like that as scum.

It's levels and levels. I would say this is really scummy, but in WW's case... Well, maybe it's really he does that as scum so everyone would think he's town because he would never do that as scum. I may believe in that. vote: WW.

I could get on board with this

vote: WW

[gkrieg13]

I actually agree with Calamitas on the theory issue, but it's also not worth talking about.

I want to hear Gkrieg's reasoning for the "definitely."

What do the other people voting LaLight think of my reason for voting LaLight way back?

Definitely was just because there were two scummy things that he did today.

[Jimmmmm]

I could get on board with this

Vote: WW

[schadd]

EFHW has replaced harbinger, effective immediately. everyone say thank you to EFHW

[Eevee]

Thank you, EFHW!

[Roadrunner7671]

Thanks EFHW!

You're town, right?

[Robz888]

Welcome, EFHW.

So, everyone really liked the WW pile on, huh?

[Witherweaver]

Welcome, EFHW.

So, everyone really liked the WW pile on, huh?

No?

[schadd]

Vote Count 1.5

Calamitas (1): Roadrunner7671
Dylan32 (2): EFHW, gkrieg13
LaLight (4): UmbrageOfSnow, Eevee, Dylan32, Witherweaver
Witherweaver (3): LaLight, 2.71828..., Jimmmmm

Not voting (2): Calamitas, Robz888

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Wednesday, Feb. 22 at 10pm forum time. this is in 1 day + 8 and a half hours